Title: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 13, 2009, 01:04:20 PM Quote Sony Online Entertainment has partnered with Live Gamer to provide Vanguard: Saga of Heroes customers with the same exchange system that our EverQuest II customers on The Bazaar and Vox servers enjoy. Live Gamer exchange provides the security and transparency needed to trade virtual items with confidence, and with the Live Gamer system, participants will be able to both auction and purchase virtual assets (characters, coin, and items) securely and safely and without the risk of the fraudulent activities that plague 3rd party websites that are not authorized by SOE to provide these services. Participation in Live Gamer exchange is not mandatory or required, but those wishing to participate in this new service must first register an account with www.livegamer.com. Once registered, you can then utilize the in-game system to upload virtual assets to your Live Gamer account and auction them to others. You can also use your Live Gamer account to bid on and purchase virtual assets and to send them to your in-game characters / accounts. Live Gamer is offering an in-game incentive for trying the system out. Customers that register with Live Gamer within the first two weeks will receive a jewelry box which when opened will offer a choice between one of three items, each targeted towards one of the three key professions. For more information about this offer, please visit www.livegamer.com after the service has launched. We will append this post with availability dates for the new service as soon as possible. For more information on how to set up your Live Gamer account, please visit this link in our Knowledge Base. The following thread is available for discussion of the new Vanguard Live Gamer Exchange service./quote] Link (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45567) I foresee much anger due to this. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Numtini on March 13, 2009, 01:22:23 PM So mandatory SOEbay for all servers?
That's just really horrible and a betrayal of their customers. It's one thing to have this on ghetto servers, it's quite another to run an entire game with it. I suggested in the next big SOE thing that their reputation was grinding them down. This now goes to the top of the exhibits entered into evidence. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: HaemishM on March 13, 2009, 01:23:56 PM It's one thing to have this on ghetto servers, it's quite another to run an entire game with it. I didn't realize Vanguard had anything left but ghetto servers. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 13, 2009, 01:24:52 PM :rimshot:
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Dtrain on March 13, 2009, 01:32:58 PM SOE hate is so 2004. I don't have a finger on the pulse of the Vanguard community by any stretch of the imagination, but I imagine that there are 12 people who are going to be very upset about this. Vanguard is a terrible horrible awful game and I would applaud SOE's efforts if they were to personally visit anyone who is still playing it and mangle their reproductive organs with a ball-peen hammer to prevent future generations of gamers from having extreme bad taste.
In all seriousness, this is probably preferable to shutting down the 3? servers that are left for this game. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Lantyssa on March 13, 2009, 01:41:04 PM So mandatory SOEbay for all servers? It's okay, because Vanguard customers are hardcore, right? Maybe not Darkfall hardcore, but certainly McQuaid hardcore.That's just really horrible and a betrayal of their customers. It's one thing to have this on ghetto servers, it's quite another to run an entire game with it. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Tale on March 13, 2009, 03:47:03 PM The former leader of a guild I played with in WoW is currently leading a large Australian-based raiding guild in Vanguard. I raised my eyebrows when I heard that, but if there are enough people in Vanguard for a niche guild to exist in a niche timezone, it can't be doing so badly. They are apparently having the time of their lives.
And this SOE RMT thing is so tragically far from the Sigil vision it's hilarious. I got kicked out of Vanguard beta for having a secret, passworded, guild-only messageboard for our Vanguard guild (a disgruntled member gave Sigil the password, and only official forums were allowed). That's how strict their regime was, and at the level of RMT it basically involved sending ninja assassins to kill offenders. Farewell Smed, GM Hidden Dragon is coming for you. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 13, 2009, 03:48:51 PM That's all well and good, because, do you hear that silence? That's the sound of the world at large giving two shits about how SOE manages to make Vanguard profitable. Say all you want, no one cares about the Sigil vision as it was one of epic failure and hilarity.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Tale on March 13, 2009, 03:52:18 PM That's all well and good, because, do you hear that silence? That's the sound of the world at large giving two shits about how SOE manages to make Vanguard profitable. Say all you want, no one cares about the Sigil vision as it was one of epic failure and hilarity. "Say all you want"? Say what? Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 13, 2009, 03:55:53 PM That's all well and good, because, do you hear that silence? That's the sound of the world at large giving two shits about how SOE manages to make Vanguard profitable. Say all you want, no one cares about the Sigil vision as it was one of epic failure and hilarity. "Say all you want"? Say what? That particular part should have been on it's own line as it was addressed to anyone at all talking about this being bad for Vanguard and The Vision. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Ratman_tf on March 13, 2009, 06:17:04 PM "His lost vision became like the wind, blowing where it willed."
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: ahoythematey on March 14, 2009, 12:01:21 AM The former leader of a guild I played with in WoW is currently leading a large Australian-based raiding guild in Vanguard. I raised my eyebrows when I heard that, but if there are enough people in Vanguard for a niche guild to exist in a niche timezone, it can't be doing so badly. They are apparently having the time of their lives. Not trying to diminish their experience or anything, but I'm fairly certain there is nothing about Vanguard that is not niche, including playtime in every timezone. I would be interested to see their stories of the time they've spent in Vanguard, mainly out of curiosity.Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Tale on March 14, 2009, 12:28:17 AM I would be interested to see their stories of the time they've spent in Vanguard, mainly out of curiosity. I'm not really in touch with them, but they're here: http://reverence.ausmmo.com.au Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Kovacs on March 14, 2009, 12:54:33 PM That's all well and good, because, do you hear that silence? That's the sound of the world at large giving two shits about how SOE manages to make Vanguard profitable. Say all you want, no one cares... And you would know. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Murgos on March 14, 2009, 01:17:49 PM That's all well and good, because, do you hear that silence? That's the sound of the world at large giving two shits about how SOE manages to make Vanguard profitable. Say all you want, no one cares... And you would know. No, he's right. No one cares. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: NiX on March 14, 2009, 03:32:46 PM And you would know. So far it looks like you come out of lurking just to say something stupid. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hayduke on March 14, 2009, 05:34:19 PM I'm sure both players are overjoyed that SOE has found a way to keep the lights on. But seriously most flash games are of more relevance at this point.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Sparky on March 15, 2009, 07:36:13 AM I'm sure both players are overjoyed that SOE has found a way to keep the lights on. But seriously most flash games are of more relevance at this point. I'm quite sure that "throw shoes at Bush" game made more money. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Reg on March 15, 2009, 01:50:06 PM Is SOE even developing new games anymore or are they just caretaking other people's failures?
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 15, 2009, 03:03:37 PM DC Online and The Agency are in development, supposedly. But from what I've seen, neither are MMOs in the traditional sense of the meaning.
The Agency does look kinda cool though. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Venkman on March 15, 2009, 03:16:40 PM Free Realms too.
And DCUO seems like a traditional MMO just with a tweaked UI. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Jerrith on March 15, 2009, 04:00:59 PM I haven't talked with anyone at SOE lately, but last June, there was this:
Quote President of SOE, John Smedley, has heartily stated that the "next round" of MMOs will be made for both the PC and PS3 If you're looking for the most traditional PC only sort of MMO, that may not be what they've got in store for us. As for the original subject, from a business perspective, I don't think it's a bad move. At this point, I think the impact on the game will be minimal, and the results, while likely small, will help a little. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hawkbit on March 15, 2009, 05:13:25 PM They better get a moveon then, because Sony's going to start talking PS4 in the next year or two.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 15, 2009, 05:30:25 PM They better get a moveon then, because Sony's going to start talking PS4 in the next year or two. No, they won't. Microsoft will however probably talk about the Xbox 3 with blu-ray and almost no other updates. They might make it less ugly. Also, HDD will be standard, as will wifi. They have a lot of catch-up to play, whereas PS3 doesn't. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Triforcer on March 15, 2009, 09:12:54 PM The Wii will inherit the Earth. The next round of MMOs will be designed for the waggle stick :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hawkbit on March 15, 2009, 09:50:17 PM No, they won't. Microsoft will however probably talk about the Xbox 3 with blu-ray and almost no other updates. They might make it less ugly. Also, HDD will be standard, as will wifi. They have a lot of catch-up to play, whereas PS3 doesn't. Simply looking at track records, PS1 released in 1995, PS2 in 2000, and PS3 in 2006. That's roughly 5-6 years between launches. If they stay on that track, late 2011 should be a PS4, but we'll be reading about it in 2010. Sony touts a 10 year support/design plan for the PS2, I assume they're doing the same for the PS3. Of course, there's a bazillion other factors involved now. A primary one is the launch of a new system into this economy which would likely be a bad move. You know more about this stuff than I do though, I'm just looking at facts and track records. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 16, 2009, 01:26:53 AM No, they won't. Microsoft will however probably talk about the Xbox 3 with blu-ray and almost no other updates. They might make it less ugly. Also, HDD will be standard, as will wifi. They have a lot of catch-up to play, whereas PS3 doesn't. Simply looking at track records, PS1 released in 1995, PS2 in 2000, and PS3 in 2006. That's roughly 5-6 years between launches. If they stay on that track, late 2011 should be a PS4, but we'll be reading about it in 2010. Sony touts a 10 year support/design plan for the PS2, I assume they're doing the same for the PS3. Of course, there's a bazillion other factors involved now. A primary one is the launch of a new system into this economy which would likely be a bad move. You know more about this stuff than I do though, I'm just looking at facts and track records. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Bzalthek on March 16, 2009, 05:20:02 AM It's hard to guesstimate a trend based on such a short spread. Based on those figures the time lapses could easily be 5/6/7 and thus we'd be looking at a 2013 release for a PS4. But in reality it's the money that plays. A company isn't likely to push something out unless it's profitable to do so. After the PS3's rocky launch in terms of PR, they're going to be playing it careful if they're not retarded.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Venkman on March 16, 2009, 05:42:53 AM The PS3 doesn't really need a sequel. They need more support to unlock its bigger potential. Not sure how (or if) they'll get it. But as schild said, there's really no reason for a PS4. Consoles are no longer just about pushing pixels.
And the Xbox doesn't really need a sequel just yet either. Not for the kind of broad offerings it has. I think we'll hear about a Wii2/HD well before we even hear about an Xbox 3. And before that we'll get an X360 with standard wifi. Not sure about bluray, since if you already have an X360, you only need to replace it when it breaks. If it doesn't break, you're more likely to go by a CE bluray player than a new X360 just because it has the drive. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Merusk on March 16, 2009, 09:20:08 AM A PS4, or XB720 wouldn't focus on more pixel pushing power, I'd think. Faster loading, more RAM (for larger zones), better wi-fi and Blu-ray for the XB would be what I'd expect to see out of them. We're already pushing photorealistic games, from what I've seen of the racing ones, so more graphics processing isn't going to be too big a sell point. Particularly since it hasn't done much for either system this gen compared to its far less powerful (and less pricy) competition.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 16, 2009, 10:12:23 AM Just like the Playstation, and the Playstation 2, as time goes on, the use of its hardware will improve (By those developing on it), just as the ps2 before it crushing its competitors. All the Playstation consoles have had this ramp up. The console has not been out very long. I will dare to say, that all games released to date are using about 30% of its power (as most i bet are using brute force to overcome, instead of understand its complexities). Yes, i pulled this from my ass, but look at early PS2 games, then late PS2 games.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hindenburg on March 16, 2009, 12:55:21 PM Deja vu.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: HaemishM on March 16, 2009, 02:09:58 PM How bad off is Vanguard? Not even a page goes by in the thread announcing its descent into EBay-land, and we're circle-jerking the next theoretical iteration of the Playstation and XBox brands.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Draegan on March 16, 2009, 03:33:07 PM What's Vanguard?
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hawkbit on March 16, 2009, 08:23:47 PM circle-jerking The more the merrier, good sir. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: sam, an eggplant on March 17, 2009, 09:00:09 AM My guess is that it's very close to being frozen and placed in maintenance mode ala MxO, and this change is supposed to finance the live team.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Merusk on March 17, 2009, 09:14:59 AM Just like the Playstation, and the Playstation 2, as time goes on, the use of its hardware will improve (By those developing on it), just as the ps2 before it crushing its competitors. All the Playstation consoles have had this ramp up. The console has not been out very long. I will dare to say, that all games released to date are using about 30% of its power (as most i bet are using brute force to overcome, instead of understand its complexities). Yes, i pulled this from my ass, but look at early PS2 games, then late PS2 games. Well yeah, that's a given I think. Eventually someone will come up with ways of pushing the chip that require a better chip. I was thinking along the previous lifecycles of consoles, 5-ish years, and what would be improved if you were going to announce the release of a new console in the near future. Do you really need to upgrade the 360 or ps3 processor vs those other improvements. I'd say no, not yet. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Rendakor on March 17, 2009, 09:19:55 PM My guess is that it's FIFYTitle: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: CharlieMopps on March 18, 2009, 10:00:09 AM That's the last nail in the coffin for Vanguard. The only chance the game had was SOE dumping in more money to make it a Hardcore Inde game. I can't imagine the types of people that are still in Vangaurd now being ok with this. And on ALL servers? lol
I really don't see SOE doing anymore "Real" mmos. It's pretty obvious they are headed in a "Profit above all else" direction. So the are most likely going to start spitting out a lot of web-based crap that will have low subscriber count but high profit margins due to RMT. I'm sure the Console stuff they want to do will be similar. And since these trypes of Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 18, 2009, 02:02:47 PM You're just kinda talking hoping someone will agree with you right?
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hawkbit on March 18, 2009, 03:37:59 PM I'd wager they're working on different games to bring in different types of customers/money, but I can't imagine they'd drop the EQ ip altogether. I *hope* they're working on EQ3 and using lessons learned from the mistakes of EQ and EQ2 (and swg... and vanguard... and...). Agency and FreeRealms are the ones we know about, what else lies beneath the surface?
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Nonentity on March 18, 2009, 03:44:54 PM What? No, it's too early. Don't start talking about EQ3.
I don't think my brain can handle the first MMO to have a trilogy. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Fordel on March 18, 2009, 04:20:43 PM Maybe it'll work! EQ 3 could be just like SMB3!
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Ingmar on March 18, 2009, 04:31:20 PM Maybe it'll work! EQ 3 could be just like SMB3! Or HoMM3! Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Bzalthek on March 18, 2009, 05:41:54 PM Or Matrix 3!
oh wait... Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: WindupAtheist on March 19, 2009, 01:21:38 AM Or Episode III!
By which I mean awesome! :awesome_for_real: God I need a new schtick. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: CharlieMopps on March 19, 2009, 12:48:28 PM You're just kinda talking hoping someone will agree with you right? So you think the people that play Vanguard right now are going to be cool with this? The topic in the Vanguard forums is already 120 pages long... Given the number of subscribers they have, that's down right incredible. http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45552 (http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45552) It currently has more replies than any other topic every posted to that forum. I didn't read through them all but, of the 10 or so pages I looked at, I didn't see a single post that was in any way supportive of the idea. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Hawkbit on March 19, 2009, 01:06:58 PM What's even more incredible is that with a 120 page thread each of the people left actually playing Vanguard would have had to post 2 or 3 pages to make it that large. :awesome_for_real:
But seriously folks, what if the alternative is to shut the game down? If it's not making enough money, seems there's no reason to keep it around. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Nebu on March 19, 2009, 01:36:17 PM But seriously folks, what if the alternative is to shut the game down? If it's not making enough money, seems there's no reason to keep it around. I'm sure everyone here is fine with that option! :why_so_serious: Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Venkman on March 19, 2009, 05:16:06 PM Jeezus. Ranting about SOE gunning for more money? Some reset the board clock back a few years?
SOE does this because they can. And because they know that most of the rage is from the same people who in the end don't really care. Because they're so stuck in VG that nothing is going to kick them out. Or they'd have left already. An alternative business model would no more to make them leave than special station exchange servers probably did to EQ2's numbers. SOE has a platform. They and others publish games on that platform. Whether the SOE-we-loved-to-hate-years-ago makes another game or not is entirely irrelevant to whether they continue to do well as a company. But that statement would only matter if they weren't working on DCUO, Free Realms and The Agency. Since they are in fact working on stuff that isn't just freebie web crap, the jury's still out. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 05:18:48 PM Quote But that statement would only matter if they weren't working on DCUO, Free Realms and The Agency. Since they are in fact working on stuff that isn't just freebie web crap, the jury's still out. They're working on a lot more than that, hombre. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Sky on March 19, 2009, 09:28:12 PM I bet Mopps would quit EQ2 all over again if he could for his outrage at RMT in an entire 'nother game, it's so much more impactful than simply quitting due to something happening on an entirely separate server.
That said, game-wide RMT is a shitty idea. Though I'm not sure making it legal and open makes much difference. It really sucked for my EQ1 server when I perma-camped Hadden and if you wanted a fishbone, you could visit my ebay page. On the other hand, if I had disposable income I could see buying a wizard epic in EQ2 vs spending the kind of time in the company of the kind of people to get it ingame. Time = money. So...meh. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Rake on March 20, 2009, 09:36:41 AM Mopps is not alone hating the policy of SoE enough to not want to pay one more dime to them, whether in protest, or whatever.
They have zero regard for customers except to fuck them over every which way they can, so fuck them back. If you are happy to keep feeding them your earnings and enjoy the games they buyout/produce then I'm happy for you. Me I'm done with them as a company. If they produced the best game ever I'd still not buy it, but luckily they suck so much at throwing shit out unfinished that I'm not gonna miss out on anything worthwhile. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: tazelbain on March 20, 2009, 11:22:03 AM If they had made the client free, ditched the sub, and went full RMT that would at least get me take a serious look at it.
Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: shiznitz on March 20, 2009, 12:53:17 PM If they had made the client free, ditched the sub, and went full RMT that would at least get me take a serious look at it. Bingo. I have a character there with 12p and I really liked group combat but travel and grind were over the top. Title: Re: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Live Gamer Exchange Post by: Venkman on March 21, 2009, 03:44:11 PM Quote But that statement would only matter if they weren't working on DCUO, Free Realms and The Agency. Since they are in fact working on stuff that isn't just freebie web crap, the jury's still out. They're working on a lot more than that, hombre. Yea, but insider knowledge doesn't matter until you can tell others about it. :grin: The point is that with just the public stuff, they're doing a lot more than Mopps' assertion of web-based crap implies. |