f13.net

http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/MMORPG_List

Oh hey there.

So this thing is basically done. I'm gonna polish it up a bit.

Everyone give a cheer for NiX for putting it together!  :drill:

It should be more complete and more up to date than MMORPG.com's list.

Now, we want to keep this thing up to date and fill it in even more, if we missed anything, let us know right here in this thread!

Wow, nice. Needs some icons.

Icons? Might get a bit cluttered and load slow. Unless you mean something like icons to separate the genres/payment method.

Icons? Why? Because MMORPG.com has them? Yea, should we throw up some flash ads too? Maybe make it unsortable half the time? Maybe not update it also?

Now you just need some charts with made up subscription numbers and it will be perfect!  :why_so_serious:

This is a pretty amazing undertaking.  Well done sir.

So I assume by the lack of certain entries that games come off the list when cancelled. Does Hellgate:London still qualify to be on the list?

Hold up, it was just a suggestion. but it could make it easier to read and track, and i like icons. I just thought it was rather plain with just text.


Basically, i was just talking about maybe like an icon for sandbox, and DIKU and P2P and F2P...reusable things, not an icon for each game, not what i meant at all.

Oh, right, also, those other Online lists are filled.

Canceled games are for the Broken Dreams Project (http://wiki.f13.net/index.php/The_Broken_Dreams_Project).

Citadels of Sorcery needs to drop the (s). The current link doesn't work.
Should be http://www.citadelofsorcery.com/ (http://www.citadelofsorcery.com/)

I know nothing about the game, I just happened to randomly click that link.

A Tale in the Desert 3 is over.  They're in Tale 4 now.

Also, as funny as saying that its genre is "Slavery" is, I'd say "Fantasy" or "Egyptian Mythology" would probably a bit more accurate.

You've obviously never played ATITD, amirite?

I was enslaved for small parts of Tales 1, 2 and 3.  Teppy implemented levels in Tale 3 and gave me the strength to escape forever.

Updated that.

Is there a subtle difference between the Chinese Myth and Chinese Mythology genres?

Shouldn't Guild Wars' payment structure be one time fee?

Not really, no. It's free to play. We're not specifying what does and doesn't need a box.

Well done. Which one is good?

No, just a wording difference.


As far as I could tell looking at them all, none of them. Though there are some people with big ideas out there.

HOW WILL I KNOW IF SOMEONE IN MY ISP'S CITY WANTS TO PARTY WITH ME?!?!

Hm. I'm sorta surprised that both Planetarion (http://www.planetarion.com) and Kings of Chaos (http://www.kingsofchaos.com/) are missing from the Web Games List. Also, Age of Conan publisher was Eidos.

Nice work schild.

Would you want to link the wiki entries to discussions here? Or would that be scary for the passersby?  :awesome_for_real:

:heartbreak:

I was talking about posting the link...  :wink:

Of course I didn't read the whole post. I see link, click, come back and reply. Sorry NiX! Great work pulling all that together!

WHY THANK YOU! As for the discussions links, interesting idea that Schild can deal with.

Discussion links. Jesus. On ALL of them?

Even Signe doesn't have anything to say about ALL those.

I don't know if all the people that read that wiki are the kind of people you want driven back to the forums. Not like that at least. Imagine if all of us went to MMORPG.com one day. There's be a lot of crying nerds, for one. Also, check out how long the DJ Max Portable thread is in the schild chronicles. Yea, No, we're not gonna do discussion links.

Every time I follow a link to some place that doesn't exist, I get kind of paranoid.

/agree schild


Road trip!  :drill:

Which ones?

Just the discussion link. 

I like this list.  It's nice and simple and easy to look at. 

This is A Good Thing. Nix, you're awesome. Schild, you're less awesome, but still awesome.

You will continue to be less than awesome until you give me an awesome bow in Demon's Souls.

I'm sure I could come up with 4 words to say about any given korean MMO.

FlyFF: Shit on a broom
Mabinogi: Shit with beast form
Maple Story: 2D Shit with Shit
Lineage 2: Pretty shit with shit
Silk Road: Shit shit shit shit
Ragnarok Online: Original shit with shit
2Moons: Bad Diablo shitting shit

Great list, nice work!

To add, Aion (where currently released) is setup as a subscription and is most likely to be a subscription in NA region when released.

Mabinogi is cooler than you give it credit for.

It's terribly complicated. It looks like there is something worth enjoying in that game, but I don't understand it. I saw elves and giants turning into furrys and shooting anime missiles.

Proposed changes:

Darkfall status from "Closed Beta" to "Paid Beta" or "Release" if we don't want to be that snarky on this list. It's a pretty horrible release, but at least some people are paying money and playing a game there.

Darkfall design methodology changed from "Diku" to "Sandbox". We know what they're trying to copy, and it isn't Everquest.

Tabula Rasa removed. I don't see Auto Assault or Asheron's Call 2 up there, so I assume this list is for in-development or currently operational games only.

Ultima Online design methodology changed from "Diku" to "Sandbox".

Updated. As for DF being Sandbox, I see that as being debatable. I'll put it as both, but I think sandbox should apply to games where the highlight is "do anything" not "kill anything".

List looks great, probably too much of a PITA to undertake but release dates for those games that have been released would rock.

now that is a good idea.

Sonovabitch!

Setup the column and I'll start on that one.

Debating what is and is not a sandbox is one thing, but I have a hard time labeling something lacking classes/levels/XP as Diku.

if it makes it easier release year would be good enough, I just think it would be nice to know which games are older and which are the newer releases.

This. Seeing what year it came out would give you a ballpark.

More observations. I'd change things myself rather than expecting someone else to, but that would be presumptuous and I don't want to mess anything up anyway.

* Is Myst Online still alive? I thought that finally died again.

* I'm still seeing UO listed as Diku, which is kinda silly.

* Planetside has a design methodology listing of Diku and a genre listing of First-Person Shooter. This is sort of at odds with the more thematic genre listings of everything else, categories like Fantasy, Horror, Sci-Fi, and Historical. I would suggest changing the methodology for Planetside to Diku/FPS, and the genre to Sci-Fi.

* If "All over the map" is a valid genre listing for Valkyrie Sky (whatever that is) then maybe it ought to apply to Second Life as well, since it's pretty much the definition of not having a set coherent theme.

I thought the Second Life genre was  :hello_thar:

I'm just doing a bit of searching before I start this, if it looks like I can get the Month and Year, I'll do it. Would people care about the exact day if it's available?

Re: Football SuperStars

I don't think London is a country.

Scotland you can get away with for All Points Bulletin.  I thought 'Re' under Dark and Light was a mistake but it turns out they're based out of Reunion Island, though you can't tell that from the game's website.  Technically doesn't that make the game French?

Great work, though.  Will there also be an MMO graveyard section?

Different project, further down on list.

Isn't. Weird how some companies just put that and leave it though.

Just do Month and Year of the official launch. It's easier to deal with than trying to find the exact day (and then there might be arguments about early entry schemes).


It did die, but the devs threw it out to open source.

Fair enough on the exact day. Also, thanks for posting about Myst, Unsub. That's why I've left it on the list.

Would be better to list the release dates as YYYY.MM.DD instead of MM.DD.YYYY, as the former will chronologically sort properly.

Logic!

You mean alphabetically sort properly, if it was a chronological sort using real date fields format wouldn't matter.

In that string format, an alphabetic sort becomes congruent with a chronological sort. If you want to get pedantic, it always "alphabetically" sorts properly. It's just that an alphabetic sort does not logically result in a chronologically-ordered list when using most date-string formats.

Would you prefer I wrote "... as the former will result in a chronologically-ordered list when sorted"?

PEDANTRY FIGHT!

Not one farm mmo.  Still.  :(

I was going more for use a date field and SQL to sort it then you can display whatever the FotM is.  Formatting shouldn't be allowed to dork up how your sort functions.  Then again can always go with your way and explode/rebuild what gets displayed after the sort has occurred, it's pretty much the same result if you do that.

Half as a reminder to myself to bring it up again when the time comes for you guys to work on Broken Dreams, half for your enjoyment:

http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/previews/panterra.shtml

That was a crazy one. I never got a "beta" key myself, but I know lots who did.

Not to be forgotten in the BDP should be oldies but goodies like Underlight, Kesmai/Isles, Shadows of Yserbius, AOL's Neverwinter Nights.

Except we're not dealing with tables that exist in a SQL backend here, we're dealing with some text on a wiki page that's sorted by Javascript.

Yes, nothing would be wiser than ditching the entire wiki infrastructure and writing your own from scratch so you can custom sort a single column.

Schild and I are writing out a project plan for this. We must have the perfect date field. MUST! :why_so_serious:

We'll launch f13.wiki.software the day after Judgement Day.

So.. we can expect to see it on the 22. of December 2012 then?

Currently, F13.net has not set a release date for f13.wiki.software. We will release it when it's ready.

OMG TAHT'S SO AWESUM itll beat al teh exisitng wiki soft ware for shore

Stop being so.. fanboy! This is clearly a scam, these guys have been at it for years and they still haven't shown us as much as a screenshot of this project with so-called "perfect date field" features!

ur juts jelus f13.wiki wil rulz go back 2 tikiwiki carebear

... and I'm done. I can only play internet retarded for so long and I've reached my limit.  :grin:

EDIT: to add some value, what is happening with MMOs that have been announced but lack details e.g. Carbine's unnamed MMO?

Figured I'd post to say I'm still working on the list, just that it's the final 4 weeks of College. Crunch time!

I blundered over this thread again searching for something else. I still want to know what definition of "diku" covers UO that isn't so broad it just becomes a synonym for MMO. Since apparently being a diku doesn't require classes, levels, experience points, tank/heal/DPS group combat, aggro management, or raids.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e121/GrimDysart/Thatmakesmeangry.jpg)

(Damn you, anti-bandwidth theft measures!)

:facepalm:

No really. Other suggestions I posted were implemented, so I know I wasn't wholly ignored. Someone, presumably you, looked at my list and went "Okay that thing WUA said about changing Planetside's genre and methodology entries? Solid, I will totally do that. But the other thing about changing the UO methodology entry? Balls to that, it's diku baby!" Which is especially weird since Ashen Empire is listed as sandbox.

The like the description of The West

I have come up with a label for UO that everyone will be happy with, and by happy with I mean, you're just gonna have to cope.

It's a little bit meta, so let's just put our thinking caps on.

See, I can handle that.

Seems it would be appropriate for Fallen Earth.

Missed Blade & Soul.

The list only contains games that have been or will be released in North America. As far as I recall and based on some quick googling NCSoft hasn't announced a North American version of Blade & Soul.

Stumbled across a title called Risk Your Life: Path of the Emperor. (http://au.gamespot.com/news/6127950.html)

Seems dead, but someone might know differently.

Last I recall the NA version fell apart and the only one remaining is the Malaysian version.

Looks like the wiki-page has been hacked. Since 31st of March (according to the history pages) the list of MMORPGs and MMORTS' have been replaced with various spam-links. :/

Edit: By the same IP as did it the previous time, even (4th of February)! :P

Fixed and blocked the spammer.