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Title: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Triforcer on March 03, 2009, 05:46:54 PM
I know I've seen a dialing 911 situation stupider than this somewhere, but not by much.  I hope she gets like 90 days in jail. 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504125,00.html


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: UnSub on March 03, 2009, 05:50:22 PM
It was a McEmergency.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Oban on March 03, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
Three times, oh wow.



Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: FatuousTwat on March 03, 2009, 07:54:32 PM
I know I've seen a dialing 911 situation stupider than this somewhere, but not by much.  I hope she gets the fucking death penalty. 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504125,00.html

Fixed.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Ozzu on March 03, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
As someone who answers 911 calls for a living, you'd be surprised at just how many calls for shit just like this we get.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Strazos on March 03, 2009, 08:19:41 PM
She's into nuggets, Y'all.

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Abagadro on March 03, 2009, 08:46:33 PM
Totally stupid to call 911 but what is up with a restaurant taking money for a product, then saying they could not deliver the product, and then refusing to give back the money.  That's borderline theft.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: tazelbain on March 03, 2009, 09:07:16 PM
Better than swatting.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Oban on March 04, 2009, 02:45:57 AM


Quote
McDonald's statement:

"Satisfying each and every customer that visits our restaurants is very important to us.

Regarding this isolated incident, we apologize for the inconvenience caused.

In the event that we are unable to fill an order, a customer should be offered the choice of a full refund or alternative menu items. We regret that in this instance, that wasn't the case.

We want to correct our mistake. We will be sending the customer her refund, along with an Arch card for a complimentary meal on us.

We never want to disappoint a McNuggets fan or any McDonald's customer.

Customer satisfaction is our top priority."

Carlos Solorzano
McDonald's Operations Manager Florida Region


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Triforcer on March 04, 2009, 03:09:16 AM
So the stupid are rewarded?  Sigh.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Oban on March 04, 2009, 03:22:41 AM
So the stupid are rewarded?  Sigh.

Not sure which of these slogans would be better for this story:

You deserve a break today

McDonald's is your kind of place

Food, folks and fun

I think this one is best though...

The closest thing to home


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Yegolev on March 04, 2009, 05:09:55 AM
McDonald's recently was seriously considering switching to Pepsi and only recently decided to remain with Coke.  Just thought I'd toss that out there. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Nebu on March 04, 2009, 05:26:04 AM
Totally stupid to call 911 but what is up with a restaurant taking money for a product, then saying they could not deliver the product, and then refusing to give back the money.  That's borderline theft.

I think this is a function of the employees rather than the operation.  When it comes to qualified help, you get what you pay for. 


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: gryeyes on March 04, 2009, 06:04:59 AM
She is a moron for calling 9-11 but she has a legitimate right to cause drama. Refusing a refund even tho you are unable to render the goods you paid for? That cannot be legal and i highly doubt they would refuse to refund if it was not a company policy.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Broughden on March 04, 2009, 07:53:12 AM
She is a moron for calling 9-11 but she has a legitimate right to cause drama. Refusing a refund even tho you are unable to render the goods you paid for? That cannot be legal and i highly doubt they would refuse to refund if it was not a company policy.

A) The police officer who arrives will say, "This is a civil matter. Take them to court." Then leave. Or stick around long enough to make sure the caller doesnt cause anymore problems and leaves the property.

B) My partner and I once got a call of a child kidnapping. It was a 14 year old boy whose mother wouldnt let him out of the house because he wouldnt do his homework.  We got a call once from an African female emigrant because an African emigrant man in her building told her to keep her kids in the hallway quiet and to respect men. She couldnt believe we werent going to arrest him for that.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: IainC on March 04, 2009, 07:54:48 AM
There's a pretty funny write up on El Reg (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/04/mcnuggets_911_drama/).


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: gryeyes on March 04, 2009, 08:00:20 AM
They took your money and freely admit being unable to provide you the item. That has to be some form of crime. I don't think a police officer is going to be able to help but at least you will have a police report of the incident. If i receive money for goods that I freely admit i cannot render and refuse to refund the amount the police will be all over me.



Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Paelos on March 04, 2009, 08:29:35 AM
Calling the cops is ridiculous. Agreed the people that didn't give her the money back are idiots, but then you go to the manager. If the manager is an idiot, just take the substitute, get their names, and write in to the company. Then, never go back to that store.

That's the normal way to deal with a complaint that amounts to probably $3.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Cyrrex on March 04, 2009, 08:32:18 AM
Not to mention that if you politely complain to a company like McDonalds, they will eventually give you your money back and quite a bit more.  Has happened to me a number of times when calling to complain about a drive-through order gone wrong.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Fordel on March 04, 2009, 02:05:15 PM
I'm a fan of letter writing.

Seriously, it works.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: WayAbvPar on March 04, 2009, 03:38:59 PM
Are we sure that someone dumb enough to call 911 three times over some McNuggets is literate?


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Samwise on March 04, 2009, 03:43:36 PM
No.  Neither are most McDonald's customers.  Which is why letter-writing works so well; anyone who is capable of wielding the power of the printed word is in the 99th percentile of their customer base, and clearly not someone to fuck with.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Oban on March 04, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
Which is why letter-writing works so well; anyone who is capable of wielding the power of the printed word is in the 99th percentile of their customer base, and clearly not someone to fuck with.

Thank god for sites like the Consumerist, Amazon and Slashdot. 


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Kail on March 04, 2009, 04:51:13 PM
McDonald's recently was seriously considering switching to Pepsi and-

Hello, 9-1-1?  Get me the president.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: schild on March 04, 2009, 04:52:47 PM
No.  Neither are most McDonald's customers.  Which is why letter-writing works so well; anyone who is capable of wielding the power of the printed word is in the 99th percentile of their customer base, and clearly not someone to fuck with.
Hellgate London.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Broughden on March 04, 2009, 08:02:29 PM
They took your money and freely admit being unable to provide you the item. That has to be some form of crime. I don't think a police officer is going to be able to help but at least you will have a police report of the incident. If i receive money for goods that I freely admit i cannot render and refuse to refund the amount the police will be all over me.



No they wouldnt. In NYC we would say, "Its a civil matter between a person and business. Take them to court."
There would be no report.
Especially if an employee said, "We dont offer refunds but we offered a substitute."

I dont think you fully understand how much police actually try to get out of writing paperwork. The only thing the police supervisors want are tickets and summonses, as these provide a revenue stream for the city.
Serious crimes COST money and get tracked on the FBI database making your city look dangerous which isnt good for the tourist industry.

Look up COMPSTAT.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: DeathInABottle on March 04, 2009, 11:07:32 PM
No they wouldnt. In NYC we would say, "Its a civil matter between a person and business. Take them to court."
There would be no report.
Especially if an employee said, "We dont offer refunds but we offered a substitute."

I dont think you fully understand how much police actually try to get out of writing paperwork. The only thing the police supervisors want are tickets and summonses, as these provide a revenue stream for the city.
Serious crimes COST money and get tracked on the FBI database making your city look dangerous which isnt good for the tourist industry.

Look up COMPSTAT.
So the portrayal of the Baltimore Police Dep't on The Wire isn't an exaggeration?  And it's true everywhere?  Juuuuust great.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Hindenburg on March 05, 2009, 03:19:12 AM
The alternative would be far worse.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Sky on March 05, 2009, 07:21:43 AM
Serious crimes COST money and get tracked on the FBI database making your city look dangerous which isnt good for the tourist industry.
Similar thing happens with teachers and shitty students. Costs a lot to get them a proper education and makes cities look bad. Just give 'em a good grade and pass 'em on.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Broughden on March 05, 2009, 07:23:27 AM
No they wouldnt. In NYC we would say, "Its a civil matter between a person and business. Take them to court."
There would be no report.
Especially if an employee said, "We dont offer refunds but we offered a substitute."

I dont think you fully understand how much police actually try to get out of writing paperwork. The only thing the police supervisors want are tickets and summonses, as these provide a revenue stream for the city.
Serious crimes COST money and get tracked on the FBI database making your city look dangerous which isnt good for the tourist industry.

Look up COMPSTAT.
So the portrayal of the Baltimore Police Dep't on The Wire isn't an exaggeration?  And it's true everywhere?  Juuuuust great.
This is how retarded the system is.
One of the last precincts I served in, in the South Bronx, the 41 precinct, we had a reduction for 2007 from 12 homicides the year prior to 2 homicides. You would think the commander would be happy and looking forward to all the praise he would get right? No he was pissed and scared shitless. If homicides went up to 4 in 2008 it would be seen as a 100% JUMP IN THE HOMICIDE RATE!?!?!? No one would look at the fact that it went from 2 to 4, just the 100% percentage increase and he would get creamed by the higher ups. He was actually hoping a few more people got killed in December to still show an over all decrease but one he could match or attain the following year.

A married couple who mutually tried to stab each other to death? I charged them both with felony Assault 1 (ie what you would call attempted murder), I have never gotten my ass chewed so hard. Felony Assault is tracked by the FBI as an Index Crime, and shows up in national databases.

Or each precinct has special teams called SNEU (Street Narcotics Enforcement Unit), and none of the narcotics crimes are on the Index. So precinct commanders love to get large numbers of narcotics arrests in their precincts to impress the higher ups. But would the SNEU teams go out and do surveillance and look for dealers and actual real police work? Nope. They would wait to find 4 guys passing around 1 spliff in a stairwell and hit them all with possession and sale/distribution of narcotics (you can charge sale even if no money is exchanged and by passing it to your buddy you have "sold"). An easy 4 arrests requiring no actual work.



Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Sky on March 05, 2009, 08:16:43 AM
As a former fairly heavy user (not dealer) of marijuana, I'm curious about a new shift in arrests. Back in the 80s, if I had a few bags on me (say a head stash of really good cola bud, a second bag of decent bud and a "party bag" of crap bud and clippings if there were a lot of bogarts around), I'd get intent to sell at the very least. Guaranteed! Even having empty bags would be intent to sell. They pushed so hard for intent to sell it was sometimes ludicrous. 

Over the last year, I've noticed all the busts in the paper that list multiple baggies are simple possession charges.

Now, I'm one who thinks the weed should be legal, and I'm happy that if folks have to get hassled, at least they're not pushing for misdemeanors and felony charges, but there have been many clear-cut cases of dealers (multiple dimebags, known drug hangouts) that have gotten off with possession tickets. Just find that kind of odd, wonder what the shift was, might have to do with a database thing?


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: gryeyes on March 05, 2009, 08:27:19 AM
Completely dependent on the State and their criteria for the crime. Some states have zero tolerance where any amount of pot is an automatic felony. In Washington as long as your total amount doesn't exceed something like an ounce its a misdemeanor and if the amount is obviously just for your consumption probably wont even be charged.

Ive known people who have gotten caught with 3 ounces/scale/bagged up and still didn't receive intent to distribute.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Sky on March 05, 2009, 08:41:06 AM
Same state. Same county. Same town.

I don't know the current laws, as I'm quite retired, willingly or no. But it used to be anything under an ounce was a violation, just a ticket. But if you had a dimebag and an empty bag, you're going to jail.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Broughden on March 05, 2009, 09:09:37 AM
Same state. Same county. Same town.

I don't know the current laws, as I'm quite retired, willingly or no. But it used to be anything under an ounce was a violation, just a ticket. But if you had a dimebag and an empty bag, you're going to jail.

No. In NYC if you have an unlit joint in your possesion but hidden from public view (in your pocket or under your hat or in your car) its a ticket. But you ask, "How do the cops find it if its hidden?" They conduct an illegal search of your person, claim it was in plain view, or some other violation of your rights, and then arrest you for the misdemeanor. If you have a lit joint but are in the privacy of your home, its also only a violation. The only way they could really find the joint and give you the "C" summons (ie ticket) is if you admitted to having it, or were arrested for another charge and they found it during a SILA (Search Incident to Lawful Arrest).

Now why are a lot of these arrests where intent to distribute could get charged being dropped down to simple possesion?

Because
A) The DA's know the rookie cops are lying. These rookies are on probation for the first 2 years, can be fired for no reason at all during such time and have tremendous pressure on them to make arrests by their superiors. So the DA's simply drop the charges down to possession, the person generally pays a fine and thats that.
B) The DA's are beyond overloaded and most rookie DA's are paid LESS than police officers. Yes, a Bronx ADA for their first 5+ years make less than a cop. They simply dont have the time or energy for such bullshit charges over some damn pot.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Abagadro on March 05, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
There is also the small matter of having nowhere to put people given prison time.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: bhodi on March 05, 2009, 12:16:07 PM
Jesus Broughden. That's pretty horrible and I really don't understand how you can condone it much less thrive in that sort of environment.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 05, 2009, 12:22:32 PM

Crazy Lady calls 911 because McDonalds dont have no nuggets  (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6bceddcb82/crazy-lady-calls-911-because-mcdonalds-dont-have-non-nuggets)


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Merusk on March 05, 2009, 12:45:54 PM
You fail not only this thread, but the entire internet, Mr. B.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: NowhereMan on March 05, 2009, 12:54:34 PM
I think I hate him a little...


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Hindenburg on March 05, 2009, 01:00:25 PM
Jesus Broughden. That's pretty horrible and I really don't understand how you can condone it much less thrive in that sort of environment.
Hey, were it not for batshit people like that, I'd have much less work.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: schild on March 05, 2009, 01:02:14 PM
You fail not only this thread, but the entire internet, Mr. B.
Why? He posted a link to the audio clip, was that posted before?

I did not notice it was at the bottom of the first link. Ok, that's funny.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Lantyssa on March 05, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Jesus Broughden. That's pretty horrible and I really don't understand how you can condone it much less thrive in that sort of environment.
He did quit.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Nerf on March 05, 2009, 03:39:21 PM
Terry stops are illegal searches now? When did the supreme court change their mind?


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Selby on March 05, 2009, 04:55:26 PM
Jesus Broughden. That's pretty horrible and I really don't understand how you can condone it much less thrive in that sort of environment.
Well, he did quit and he *is* just saying that's how it works, not necessarily how he operated.  Granted the system does suck, but I believe every little bit of his tales because I know some retired officers and prison guards who have told me some interesting stories of "the way things are" in government institutions.  And having worked for a major university for the state, I know how people are all over not wanting to do their paperwork and how percentages are tracked independent of actual numbers.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: lamaros on March 05, 2009, 05:21:46 PM
I think I hate him a little...

He quit and has said a number of times that his disliked much of it. So credit, even if it's only partial, where it's due.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Broughden on March 06, 2009, 05:49:12 AM
Jesus Broughden. That's pretty horrible and I really don't understand how you can condone it much less thrive in that sort of environment.
Well, he did quit and he *is* just saying that's how it works, not necessarily how he operated.  Granted the system does suck, but I believe every little bit of his tales because I know some retired officers and prison guards who have told me some interesting stories of "the way things are" in government institutions.  And having worked for a major university for the state, I know how people are all over not wanting to do their paperwork and how percentages are tracked independent of actual numbers.

Yep after 3 years I quit. For a multitude of reasons but the hypocrisy of the whole thing was a big part of it. After seeing my whole belief in the fairness and general "goodness" of the US government ripped painfully from me after Iraq, I didnt need to go through more of it.

Hell I pissed of the precinct admin lieutenant one time because she got in an argument with me over how much overtime I had accumulated one day at work. I won the argument because as I learned in the army, document everything! So she gets me assigned to a footpost on an overpass over a highway, during a blizzard. So there I am nearly comatose with cold and no hearing left due to the roar of traffic. Only way I could come in to the station was to arrest someone for something...anything.
I never did. I stood that post for two weeks like a hard headed mule rather than trump up charges on someone everyday to get back in to the warm station house.

Hell one night me and another rookie were walking a beat. It was our last day of the work week. He wanted to get an arrest so he could get some overtime. He simply walked over to a drunk guy, neighborhood drunk he was ALWAYS drunk, and quietly leaned down and told the guy he was going to fuck him up. So of course the drunk guy not realizing he is being set up, stands up and starts trying to clock the rookie. Boom! Disorderly Conduct and attempted assault of a police officer. 8 hours overtime to process the arrest.

The day after I quit I did an in depth interview with Alison Gendar (or Gender) the Crime Desk Editor, for the NY Daily News. Couple of months later did a follow up interview for more info. The story of the abuses I described and the problems in the system....has never made the paper. The city would "shut off her access" if she printed what I gave her.

HERE IS A BIG TIP TO ASPIRING DOCUMENTARY MAKERS:
You want to become famous? Wire up a couple of young black male actors and put them on street corners in the "Impact" areas of NYC. Film their interactions with the rookie officers serving in these Impact areas. Edit film. Release film. Make money hats and accept Oscar.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 06, 2009, 06:47:23 AM
You fail not only this thread, but the entire internet, Mr. B.

What? yes the original article had the audio clips linked, but this was a video with all 3, and some rather funny imagery. MY FUCKING BAD!

 :why_so_serious:

Tough room...


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on March 06, 2009, 09:09:36 AM
Bloodworth, that is in an ongoing thread posted at:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16332.msg604227#msg604227 (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16332.msg604227#msg604227)



Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Nevermore on March 18, 2009, 11:06:15 AM
(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/911/shoot3.jpg)


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Hindenburg on March 18, 2009, 11:27:32 AM
That is so right.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: NowhereMan on March 18, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
That's good parenting!


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Lantyssa on March 18, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Parenting nothing.  Their 911 service is apparently run by the mafia.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Nevermore on March 18, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
Parenting nothing.  Their 911 service is apparently run by the mafia in Texas.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Lantyssa on March 18, 2009, 02:04:45 PM
If the roomie ever annoys me at least I know who to dial! :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Morat20 on March 22, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
Hell one night me and another rookie were walking a beat. It was our last day of the work week. He wanted to get an arrest so he could get some overtime. He simply walked over to a drunk guy, neighborhood drunk he was ALWAYS drunk, and quietly leaned down and told the guy he was going to fuck him up. So of course the drunk guy not realizing he is being set up, stands up and starts trying to clock the rookie. Boom! Disorderly Conduct and attempted assault of a police officer. 8 hours overtime to process the arrest.
I wonder how common that is in smaller municipalities. It's certainly explain some clownshoes shit SOME of the local cops pull.

I'm surprised some of them still have a job -- when your local (elected) judge, who isn't the sharpest crayon in the box to begin with -- routinely dismisses a whole slew of charges if a certain officer is involved, you've got to wonder who he's blackmailing to keep his badge.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: NowhereMan on March 22, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
He probably makes really good coffee.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Sheepherder on March 22, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
When they're bored the local cops used to have gunfights in the police station with tasers, until the force upgraded to devices with a chaff dispenser to mark where it was fired.  My dad (a firefighter, the stations are right next to each other) once debated the efficacy of pepper spray with a cop there over doughnuts and coffee, conclusion: you can in fact beat the living shit out of a cop that's sprayed you.  I really wouldn't put much past them.


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Triforcer on April 08, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
Not to be outdone, a Texas woman takes the crown from McDonald's lady-

http://www.newsweek.com/id/192951


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Abagadro on April 08, 2009, 10:22:02 PM
Not to be outdone, a Texas woman takes the crown from McDonald's lady-

http://www.newsweek.com/id/192951

A photo of the caller:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Abagadro/160_ap_larry_david_050923.jpg)


Title: Re: Totally appropriate situations for dialing 911
Post by: Margalis on April 08, 2009, 11:03:07 PM
Ha ha ha well played.

Life imitates art.