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Title: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Chimpy on February 19, 2009, 04:19:01 PM
 :uhrr: 

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/19/women.bikinis.objects/index.html

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CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- It may seem obvious that men perceive women in sexy bathing suits as objects, but now there's science to back it up.

New research shows that, in men, the brain areas associated with handling tools and the intention to perform actions light up when viewing images of women in bikinis.



Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Samwise on February 19, 2009, 04:34:07 PM
The way that study was conducted makes me sad:

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The participants, 21 heterosexual male undergraduates at Princeton, took questionnaires to determine whether they harbor "benevolent" sexism, which includes the belief that a woman's place is in the home, or hostile sexism, a more adversarial viewpoint which includes the belief that women attempt to dominate men.

Because obviously all men are sexist, it's just a question of what sort of sexist they are.

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This study looked specifically at men, and did not test women's responses to similar images.

Because Goddess forbid we have any basis for comparison that might get in the way of the man-bashing.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Ookii on February 19, 2009, 06:50:42 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1685/benny20benassi20satisfaqv9.jpg)


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Yegolev on February 19, 2009, 07:18:13 PM
Glad she is wearing eye protection.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Strazos on February 19, 2009, 07:39:52 PM
Do I need to post a Benny Benassi video?


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 19, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
The whole thing is annoying as fuck.  It's *one* study.  Of 21 male college students.  That claims that the "tool using center" of the brain is activated by viewing calendar cheesecake photos, without explaining how they determined that was the "tool using center" (what they could have determined at *most* was that the same part of the brain that is activated when contemplating tools was activated when contemplating bikini-clad women).  Maybe they were trying to mentally rotate the view, maybe they were trying to figure out how to untie the knots, maybe it was just the same part of the brain that is used to evaluate *every* 2D still scene.  Nor did they seem to have run any kind of control testing, such as pictures of fully clad women, of men, of groups, of animals, of explicitly sexual images.

I'd really like to look at the study report and answer some basic questions about methodology, but I can't, because apparently Dr. Fiske doesn't consider this worthy of adding to her online publications list (http://weblamp.princeton.edu/~psych/psychology/research/fiske/publications.php), and in fact not a single source contains even one line of text from the actual study, but only regurgitations of other articles and quotes from Fiske herself.  In fact, the entire public knowledge that has stirred up this little tempest in the feminist blogosphere teapot is Dr. Fiske giving a presentation at the AAAS annual meeting that seems to have consisted of a 3 minute summation at a panel on another subject, then chatting to reporters afterward.

FMRI and other neuroscience tools are potentially extremely useful, and if true this would be a very useful datapoint, but at this point it's a avowed feminist who specialized in examining how people generate and use stereotypes claiming that her first FMR study (she's a sociological psychologist, not a neurologist, which makes her about as qualified to supervise or interpret an FMRI study as *I* am) has demonstrated the scientific proof of a stereotype (men objectify women).  Next up in the program, Andrew Dice Clay will demonstrate that women find rich older men attractive because they're greedy sluts.

--Dave


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Nerf on February 19, 2009, 08:45:34 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1685/benny20benassi20satisfaqv9.jpg)

I would like to perform lots of actions with my tool with that broad.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Lantyssa on February 19, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
She looks like a busty Ann Coulter...


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: UnSub on February 19, 2009, 09:46:55 PM
She looks like a busty Ann Coulter...

You've killed it. I hope you're happy.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Samwise on February 19, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
What are you talking about?  I don't see an Adam's apple.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: NowhereMan on February 20, 2009, 06:54:02 AM
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This is just the first study which was focused on the idea that men of a certain age view sex as a highly desirable goal, and if you present them with a provocative woman, then that will tend to prime goal-related responses,

Truly ground-breaking stuff there.

Hell that article seems to have almost no relation to any kind of useful study. Mahrin highlighted the main problems with it but really, it wasn't a study it's an inflammatory article. There isn't anything beyond a vague reference to the study and talk of sexism seems to be jumping the gun a bit since the article admits that we could see almost the same thing in women observing men. Also what about homosexuals? If they have a similar reaction to scantily clad males does that mean that gays are all horrible objectifying scum as well, only to men? How about lesbians?

The article's conclusion basically seems to be that having titty pictures everywhere might alter attitudes towards women in the workplace. That may have been useful and semi-groundbreaking in 1985 but I don't know many work places that don't institute that kind of policy already.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Sky on February 20, 2009, 07:33:30 AM
the brain areas associated with handling tools and the intention to perform actions light up when viewing images of women in bikinis.
Well, duh. When I see a woman in a bikini, I want to handle my tool with the intention of performing an action.

Obvious research is obvious.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Draegan on February 20, 2009, 12:54:03 PM
the brain areas associated with handling tools and the intention to perform actions light up when viewing images of women in bikinis.
Well, duh. When I see a woman in a bikini, I want to handle my tool with the intention of performing an action.

Obvious research is obvious.

I concur.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Ironwood on February 20, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1685/benny20benassi20satisfaqv9.jpg)


Please tell me I'm no the only one who sees her slipping and slicing into her main artery, flopping around and screaming for mercy as the blood drains from her body ?

Or is it a pretty butterfly ?


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Lantyssa on February 20, 2009, 02:16:24 PM
She looks like a busty Ann Coulter...
You've killed it. I hope you're happy.
Not really, it's been a rough week.  But causing this bit of mischief cheered me up a little. ;D

What are you talking about?  I don't see an Adam's apple.
Note the strategically placed lock of hair falling in front of her neck.

Just doing my part to end objectivism and how you all can only think of scantily clad women as tools.  Certainly they rank higher than some of our more annoying posters.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Oban on February 20, 2009, 02:42:52 PM

Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees her slipping and slicing into her main artery, flopping around and screaming for mercy as the blood drains from her body ?


Well, we all have our own unique fetishes, but this one takes the cake.

I see blond hair, pink lips and the underside of a breast. 


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: UnSub on February 20, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
The 'groundbreaking' thing here is identifying the brain areas that light up. What it all means will probably take a decade or so to filter through.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: MahrinSkel on February 20, 2009, 08:10:08 PM
(http://browsei.com/upload/Pictures/storage/end-of-virginity-tools-girls-extreme_big.jpg)
http://browsei.com/upload/Pictures/storage/end-of-virginity-tools-girls-extreme_big.jpg (http://browsei.com/upload/Pictures/storage/end-of-virginity-tools-girls-extreme_big.jpg)

EDIT: Broken image is broken


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: IainC on February 21, 2009, 03:03:23 AM
(http://browsei.com/upload/Pictures/storage/end-of-virginity-tools-girls-extreme_big.jpg)

I went to see Ultraviolence years ago and their stage show was mostly girls doing that.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Venkman on February 21, 2009, 04:10:36 AM
Doing what? Dave's post and your quote of it are both empty.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Trippy on February 21, 2009, 07:24:30 AM
Doing what? Dave's post and your quote of it are both empty.  :oh_i_see:
If you had quoted Dave's post yourself you would've seen the "missing" image tag in his post and you could copy and paste the URL to see the actual image.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Venkman on February 21, 2009, 09:30:47 AM
 :uhrr:

I almost wish I hadn't done that.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Merusk on February 21, 2009, 09:48:27 AM
That's hot.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Chimpy on February 21, 2009, 10:50:43 AM
Better hope those fishnets are natural fiber else there would be a lot of melty melty.


Title: Re: Women in bikinis make men think of tools?
Post by: Mrbloodworth on February 23, 2009, 11:57:28 AM
Image seems to be gone.