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Title: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Broughden on December 21, 2008, 09:23:25 AM
I dont know if this is okay or not. I dont know if those of you out of work or looking for new work would even be willing to share your professional and personal information with others on a website you dont know.  However Paelos' posting in the Grateful For thread got me thinking. With the economy being in the state its in and some of our F13 members being unemployed, why not use the power of F13 for a little good? We have lots of members in lots of places all over the world working in lots and lots of different fields.

So if you are out of work and looking, or looking for work so you can relocate to a new city, why not post it here and other posters can look it over and offer help or suggestions or maybe even give you a tip on an opening in their company or department or team?

Is that okay? Would any one use it?


Happy Holidays all.  :heart:


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Abagadro on December 21, 2008, 10:35:36 AM
I could use a manservant if anyone is interested. The pay is lousy and I expect total subservience, but other than that it may be a good opportunity.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Cheddar on December 21, 2008, 11:09:26 AM
I could use a manservant if anyone is interested. The pay is lousy and I expect total subservience, but other than that it may be a good opportunity.

Who is the hiring manager?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Xerapis on December 21, 2008, 01:13:46 PM
Me. Please be nude and lubed when you arrive for the audition. (not aimed at Cheddar specifically or solely)

~insert evil grin here~


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Mandrel on December 21, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
Is there a "Don't ask/ Don't tell" policy as to whether one plays WoW?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 21, 2008, 02:26:14 PM
Well, this thread is off to a good start.

To re-rail it: I'm graduating in 4 months in Human Resources. Anyone have any idea which industries are looking for people? I'm well aware that Human Resources is a career that's still being defined in some respects, so some places still don't take it too seriously.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Margalis on December 21, 2008, 03:29:59 PM
Square Enix is hiring programmers and artists in sunny LA.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: schild on December 21, 2008, 04:00:36 PM
I'll be out of a job in, oh 6 days, but I've been looking for work for a month. This market is lousy.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: pants on December 21, 2008, 05:05:49 PM
Well, this thread is off to a good start.

To re-rail it: I'm graduating in 4 months in Human Resources. Anyone have any idea which industries are looking for people? I'm well aware that Human Resources is a career that's still being defined in some respects, so some places still don't take it too seriously.

My wife's in HR - dunno your location etc, but the bigger the company, the better the chance of getting 'proper' HR work.  Small firms either don't bother with HR, or you are a glorified payroll clerk.  Look for larger companies, they tend to need more HR people, and you've got better chance of better work.

And the sad thing - if you get in a company thats laying off people, that is great experience for a HR person, it looks great on your resume.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Kail on December 21, 2008, 05:15:10 PM
Going back to school in January, because I have found precisely jack for long term employment.  Probably going for an engineering degree, but I don't really have anything more specific than that nailed down yet, and "engineering" covers a lot of ground.  Anyone have any advice/horror stories?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 21, 2008, 11:41:22 PM
I would say I'm a photographer in the Leeds, Yorkshire, UK area looking for work but since I haven't even been able to get a requested photo of the church graveyard 1/2 mile from my house in the last 4 weeks I'll just stfu for now...


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Phildo on December 22, 2008, 05:25:13 AM
Margalis, any call for entry-level audio people?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Bunk on December 22, 2008, 06:29:08 AM
Title                                                       City State/Province
Internal Business Systems Developer            Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Intermediate SQA Analyst                          Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Software Sales Representative                    Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Executive Assistant                                    Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Senior Product Manager                             Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Technical Support Representative                Richmond British Columbia [BC] 

 Not that it matters, as I think there are only one or two of you in western Canada... Though do let me know if you are interested, I don't mind collecting the referal bonus.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Cheddar on December 22, 2008, 06:40:26 AM
Title                                                       City State/Province
Internal Business Systems Developer            Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Intermediate SQA Analyst                          Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Software Sales Representative                    Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Executive Assistant                                    Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Senior Product Manager                             Richmond British Columbia [BC] 
Technical Support Representative                Richmond British Columbia [BC] 

 Not that it matters, as I think there are only one or two of you in western Canada... Though do let me know if you are interested, I don't mind collecting the referal bonus.

I would LOVE to move to BC.  I doubt the pay would be good enough to keep me knee deep in hookers + blow, though.

Plus I am sure there are "rules" about Americans working in Canada.  God I love that region, though.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: shiznitz on December 22, 2008, 06:46:50 AM
To re-rail it: I'm graduating in 4 months in Human Resources.

I am really not trying to be a wiseass, but what do they actually teach in Human Resources school? The most important parts of HR cannot be taught, i.e. reading people to see if they are lying in the interview or lying about the work environment or lying about diability. The worst HR departments try and turn everyting into a checklist, but checklists are what I would imagine a school would teach.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 22, 2008, 06:48:50 AM
Which is why most HR departments suck.

At least in regards to interviewing, choosing candidates, etc...


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 22, 2008, 07:02:00 AM
I am really not trying to be a wiseass, but what do they actually teach in Human Resources school? The most important parts of HR cannot be taught, i.e. reading people to see if they are lying in the interview or lying about the work environment or lying about diability. The worst HR departments try and turn everyting into a checklist, but checklists are what I would imagine a school would teach.
I just finished my semester and had Industrial Relations, HR Planning, Performance Management and few other classes. Mostly practical stuff is taught to us because I go to College and not University. Which is not the equivalent of say community college in the states. For the most part they've taught us ways to produce interviews/procedures to weed out people who lie, but it really comes down to the student being competent enough to want to do the right job. Checklist people are people who don't give a shit. I absolutely hate the way companies currently hire in Canada, looking for "keywords" or using fancy rating scales that end up meaning nothing when you can game the system.

As for the work environment, what are you referring to? And disability is handled differently in Ontario, and for the most part Canada, than it is in the US.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Soln on December 22, 2008, 07:54:53 AM
until I hear otherwise, Amazon is still hiring (http://www.amazon.com/Search-Jobs-Careers/b/ref=amb_link_5763542_1?ie=UTF8&node=239362011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=02FW7S2PRCDTTS4VW5TS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=321627601&pf_rd_i=203348011) (359 jobs overall, 306 in WA)


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: murdoc on December 22, 2008, 08:46:14 AM
If anyone is considering moving to Calgary, I know my company is scaling back it's hiring (from 60% growth to a measly 40% growth) for 2009, but take a look at http://www.longviewsystems.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=3 (http://www.longviewsystems.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=3). Pretty damn good company to work for. 3 weeks vacation, full benefits, very good salary, + profit sharing every 3 months on your billable hours. Has the flexibility of being consulting and the stability of being a full-time employee.

We also have offices in Vancouver, Dallas, Houston and Denver. I know there were actively looking for people to move from here to Houston.

Great company to work for, probably the most fun I've had in my professional career. They look to hire people who will fit their 'corporate culture' and once they do, bust their ass to find a place for you.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: IainC on December 22, 2008, 09:02:14 AM
There are no vacancies listed at the moment on our recruitment page (http://www.cpl.ie/goa/) but it's always worth contacting the recruiters anyway as there are usually positions available at short notice - especially in CS, IT and localisation roles.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Margalis on December 22, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
Margalis, any call for entry-level audio people?

By "audio people" you mean what? Composers? Sound programmers? Audio engineers?

That's the sort of thing we'd probably do on a contract basis rather than as a full-time hire.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Phildo on December 22, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
Audio engineer or sound designer.  Hopefully I can add composer to my resume in a few months, but I'm not ready for that yet.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 22, 2008, 04:25:49 PM
Weird series of events led me to click on IanC's link in his signature and I have to say that everyone looking to get a job should have LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/). This is the greatest tool for professionals when it comes to networking and if there's anything that is always beneficial to you, it's networking.

On that note, if anyone feels like adding people to their network, I'm up for it. Though I don't know how willing some people would be to have their full name out there.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Selby on December 22, 2008, 08:00:37 PM
...and I have to say that everyone looking to get a job should have LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/).
Some of us have stalkers on there and are VERY reluctant to post too much info ;-)


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 22, 2008, 08:23:03 PM
I'm pretty sure there's an adequate privacy setting on there for that to not be a problem.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 23, 2008, 06:33:20 AM
All ready on linkedin, adding random net people defeats the purpose of the site, its not myspace.  :grin: I recently got laid off of my last job, but thankfully, go a new one. I ended work at one place on a Friday, and started the new on Monday, get abut 8 grand more, and do...way less. Its an odd world.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 23, 2008, 10:17:54 AM
All ready on linkedin, adding random net people defeats the purpose of the site, its not myspace.
I think this is a bit different seeing as I'm not adding "420_Soulja" to my account. I've added someone with a professional background, but I guess it's who you're adding or why. The idea behind LinkedIn is to build a network of professional contacts, not necessarily friends. I added IainC and I'm sure I'll be picking his brain about Community Management at some point because it's something that interests me despite having an HR background.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: JWIV on December 23, 2008, 10:31:46 AM
I tend to be fairly generous with accepting invites and the like on linked in for exactly that reason  as long as we worked at the same company and I don't have a negative impression of you, I'll typically accept the invite.  The only time I do demand I know the person is when it's someone with whom I don't have a shared background with.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 23, 2008, 11:05:03 AM
All ready on linkedin, adding random net people defeats the purpose of the site, its not myspace.
I think this is a bit different seeing as I'm not adding "420_Soulja" to my account. I've added someone with a professional background, but I guess it's who you're adding or why. The idea behind LinkedIn is to build a network of professional contacts, not necessarily friends. I added IainC and I'm sure I'll be picking his brain about Community Management at some point because it's something that interests me despite having an HR background.


I use it for listing and networking with people that have worked with me personally, but i guess it could be used for other things. The only real reason i even brought it up, is because there are people on there that attempt to get as many people linked as possible, like that one chick who has over 50k on her list. I can't even figure out what purpose that even serves.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Margalis on December 23, 2008, 05:53:38 PM
Audio engineer or sound designer.  Hopefully I can add composer to my resume in a few months, but I'm not ready for that yet.

Remind me in 4 months or so. We're not quite at that stage where we're actively looking for sound guys.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Phildo on December 23, 2008, 06:35:45 PM
Can do.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Big Gulp on December 23, 2008, 08:15:36 PM
I'm well aware that Human Resources is a career that's still being defined in some respects, so some places still don't take it too seriously.

I'm sorry, dude, I don't want to be a prick here, but really?  HR?

I always thought HR was for women with English/Anthropology degrees.  You know, people who have a degree, but a degree in something completely useless.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Baldrake on December 23, 2008, 08:31:38 PM
I'm sorry, dude, I don't want to be a prick here...
But you managed.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Big Gulp on December 23, 2008, 08:40:44 PM
But you managed.

I always do.   :lol:

No, but seriously.  I like Nix a lot, I'm just wondering what drew him to that area of study.  Every HR department I've ever seen has been headed by a woman who majored in the equivalent of basket weaving.  It just really seems like a fallback position, and not something people would actively seek out.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 23, 2008, 08:46:00 PM
I'm sorry, dude, I don't want to be a prick here, but really?  HR?

I always thought HR was for women with English/Anthropology degrees.  You know, people who have a degree, but a degree in something completely useless.
That's because most people think HR are fuzzy people who coddle employees when they're down. That's really not the case and it's a growing profession. I ultimately want to become an HR consultant, which seems to be male dominated, in HR Information Systems.

It's getting harder for people who didn't go to school for or don't have past experience in HR to get jobs, at least in Ontario. The provincial and federal governments are going nuts instituting a lot of work related standards and safety laws that someone HAS to know. Your average worker, even middle management, don't care or don't know what they are. Also, lots of companies require you to have or be working towards the HR designation. To be able to take the test for the designation you have to have taken 9 specific courses. Lucky for me, my school is the only one in Ontario that gives you all 9.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Baldrake on December 23, 2008, 08:57:27 PM
The head of HR in my organization is pulling over $200k/annum.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 23, 2008, 09:05:35 PM
The head of HR in my organization is pulling over $200k/annum.
Yeah, some pretty nice paying positions in HR. Here's (http://www-acad.sheridanc.on.ca/hric/careers.php) a list of a whole bunch of positions and their respective salaries.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Margalis on December 23, 2008, 09:48:25 PM
Entering a profession filled almost exclusively with hot chicks - come on what are you thinking?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Phildo on December 24, 2008, 01:34:37 AM
Wait a second... HR consultant?  Isn't that the person that's brought in when a company wants to "streamline its performance?"


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: schild on December 24, 2008, 02:09:58 AM
Entering a profession filled almost exclusively with hot chicks - come on what are you thinking?

That there might be room for someone who is actually qualified?

HAH.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Engels on December 24, 2008, 08:09:39 AM
That's because most people think HR are fuzzy people who coddle employees when they're down.

Uhm, maybe in Canada, but my experience is that in the US, the HR person is the person who pretends to be there for the employees, but in large part is there to prevent lawsuits and in general provide CYA policy for the company. In some rare rare cases, HR works for the benefit of the employee, but for the most part, they are an in-house lawyer for the employer. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you, but I have found few people more vilified in corporate america than the HR person in any given company.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 24, 2008, 08:41:14 AM
Wait a second... HR consultant?  Isn't that the person that's brought in when a company wants to "streamline its performance?"
One of many things you could be brought in for :awesome_for_real:

This thread makes generalizations FUN!


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Aez on December 24, 2008, 08:41:28 AM
I'm in HR.  Recruitment.  I could advance to Head Hunting  :drill:

Also, we are 40 in my HR department: 37 womens - 3 guys  :drillf:

The hardest part is getting blamed for way too much shit.  Most employees and managers expect us to simply "make it work" while disregarding our advises has too bothersome or costly.

You need a bachelor in HR for entry level position and a couple of my colleagues have a master.  My VP even have a PhD.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: schild on December 24, 2008, 01:57:51 PM
A PhD in HR?

Seriously?

Is his name Dr. Asshole?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 24, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
PhD is a bit much. I'm also assuming you mean you need a bachelor in your company, that's not the case for any entry level around here. Especially recruitment, which seems to be the position you're guaranteed to get into.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: schild on December 24, 2008, 10:41:22 PM
Are you saying recruitment is entry level? That would explain why 99% of the people I've worked with in HR are stupid, stupid, stupid.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 25, 2008, 02:08:42 PM
The very basic of recruitment, yes. If you look at Monster or Workopolis, you'll see tons of positions for recruitment and the requirements are bare minimum.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Chenghiz on December 25, 2008, 03:01:42 PM
For those of you in the game industry who know about such things: how important is a relevant bachelor's degree for a job as a game artist? Is portfolio work more important or are companies really looking for the degree?


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Margalis on December 25, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
For those of you in the game industry who know about such things: how important is a relevant bachelor's degree for a job as a game artist? Is portfolio work more important or are companies really looking for the degree?

Until reading this the thought of looking at the degree never even occurred to me.

For us it's 80% portfolio and 20% work experience. Here are my tips:

1. Show off some basic 2d skills. If you can't draw a properly proportioned human being chances are you can't model one either. A lot of people really skimp on 2d, showing either none or some hasty line drawings.

2. The wider variety of stuff and styles you can show off the better. Environments, characters, technology, monsters, low polygon, etc. Most people specialize in certain things and that's fine but if your art is 90% robots it's pretty hard to hire you if we don't need a robot modeller. ( That doesn't mean you should show off weak things though)

3. Show stuff that began as a 2d concept, even if you aren't the person who did the original concept. Or if you can't do that show some models of known characters. (Darth Vader, Cloud, whatever) If you can show a 2d sketch and then show a finished model that captures the spirit of that sketch that's great.


Title: Mountain View, CA - Looking For Kernel Engineers (Embedded, Android)
Post by: Quinton on December 25, 2008, 04:45:50 PM

Want to help change the world (or at least the world mobile devices and
mobile device operating systems)?

I'm looking for one or two kernel engineers to join the Android Systems
Team at Google, writing Linux kernel drivers, porting Linux to new SoCs
(primarily ARM based at the moment), tuning ARM linux for efficient use
in mobile platforms (specifically Android), working closely with OEMs and
silicon vendors to improve the platform, help ship cool mobile devices,
and have all the code you write end up as GPL (kernel), Apache2 or BSD
(userspace) licensed software.

What we're looking for (some key points):
- solid software engineering background with a focus on kernel and
  systems work (BS degree or equivalent experience, yada yada)
- experience with Linux kernel development
- experience with ARM v5/v6/v7 architectures a plus
- experience shipping embedded/mobile systems a plus
- comfortable with some combination of: 
  - low level driver development
  - cpu / SoC / board bringup
  - debugging mobile/embedded systems
  - higher level kernel engineering (filesystems, scheduler, etc)
- strong communication skills (written and verbal)

Interested?  Qualified?  Know somebody interested or qualified?

Send questions and/or resumes to: swetland@google.com                 


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: sigil on December 25, 2008, 07:33:56 PM
What are these keywords and ratings scales that people are looking for in Canada?

I ask not for myself, but for a good friend of mine who's got a background in clinical research in Toronto who's trying to find a new position after the last trial they were working on finished up.  If I could help them out with some inside info to help them make a better presentation of their skills, maybe they could get a job a little easier.

Thanks for the info either way.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Aez on December 25, 2008, 08:05:30 PM
A PhD in HR?

Seriously?

Is his name Dr. Asshole?

Spot-on!


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: NiX on December 25, 2008, 11:14:03 PM
What are these keywords and ratings scales that people are looking for in Canada?
If it's a career based job they usually remove the rating scales. It's better used for retail or cases of mass hiring where you need to make interviews efficient and cost effective.

Keywords are heavily used in career based interviews. Best bet is to find new articles on the industry you're applying for and see what buzz words they're kicking around, but don't just use them, understand them. That's the best advice you'll get that's specific. For the most part a lot of peoples resumes are trashy, egotistical shit. Lying on a resume does not improve your chances of getting anything more than an interview, especially when you forget about something you padded your resume with.

The quick list:
- Bold headings to make each section stand out
- First 2-3 points of every bullet list are the points you absolutely want them to see, time is money and long lists don't help, so make sure they see the important stuff
- Streamline. Objective should always dictate the rest of your resume. If you're applying for clinical research, make sure each section (Objective, Skills/Qualifications, Experience) match that.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: bhodi on December 26, 2008, 06:37:46 AM
Fuck objectives. My objective is clear - to get a job with your company and to advance my career. Cover letters, maybe, but objectives are pointless.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 26, 2008, 01:59:48 PM
cover letters are the biggest bullshit I have ever seen.  I've gotten more interviews without them then with them.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Tale on December 26, 2008, 03:40:19 PM
cover letters are the biggest bullshit I have ever seen.  I've gotten more interviews without them then with them.

I was drafting a cover letter for my last successful job application, but ran out of time to finish it. I apologised for this when I only sent them my resume, and they said a cover letter was unnecessary anyway. What they wanted was my resume, a chat with me, and a chat with people I'd worked with/for.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: schild on December 26, 2008, 03:56:13 PM
Cover letters are completely archaic BS, agreed.

The requirement at some places probably continues to exist simply because it's an excellent way to weed out folks who have crappy writing skills (like so crappy they can't steal a cover let off the net and adjust as needed) and of course weeding out those that are just too lazy to do one.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: IainC on December 26, 2008, 04:36:43 PM
I never have any idea what I'm supposed to put on the cover letter. I mean anything relevant should be in my CV right? Mostly I just state what I'm applying for, recap my most recent applicable experience and gush a little about how I'd really like to go and work for their company.


Also, in the spirit of giving advice. CVs. Two pages is the new cool. More than that and it probably won't be read. This probably doesn't apply for science jobs or very technical positions where having a long list of applicable publications and posts is required. But when you're applying to be a CSR? I don't need to know your life story, I need to know you've had some customer facing experience, aren't dyslexic and haven't been fired for doing stupid stuff. Anything else will come through in your interview.


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 26, 2008, 05:24:09 PM
What happen to ze red?  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: Venkman on December 26, 2008, 05:28:20 PM
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=2041.msg565727#msg565727


Title: Re: Looking for Work Thread
Post by: KallDrexx on December 26, 2008, 05:30:01 PM
ah cool, good luck Iain!