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Ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KckdX5ucE_M&e

Super WOW clone.

Wow, that is incredibly cloned.  The dying boar sound and the whole minimap section of the UI take me right back to Goldshire.  Except it's click-to-move.  So TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

Isn't posting this sort of stuff MBW's job?

Yes.

If WoW were a Gucchi handbag, this game would be it's Korean imitation.  :oh_i_see:

They have 6 grades of fake in Korea ranging from can't tell the difference to can be spotted from a mile away.

Wonder what grade this game will reach?

I personally think it's more of the latter.

I could only stand it for less than 10 minutes. Character creation hit me hard, the heads are incredibly disproportionate to the rest of the body (and you can even make it more so). You can get either get a face that looks like a pretty boy or a messed up stoner. Movement felt terribly awkward.

But is has OVER 600 QUESTS! And GRIPPING PVP BATTLES!

Eh, I'm d/l'ing it. Will more than likely hate it but I gotta admit, I'm getting to the point where I'd rrather play the free KMMOs than most of the ones being released over here. At least with the free stuff you know what you're getting into.

I was unaware.

We've come to rely on you for something, it can only be a good thing!

How soon our Signe has been forgotten.  :cry:

I only do cute ones, though.  This one isn't cute.  Hardly any pink!  My tolerance to cute seems to have increased, though.  I can't find many cute enough to offset the terrible anymore.  (http://www.tkfu.com/forums/images/smilies/female.gif)

Your ability to find new and unique smiley icons has not diminished however.

That's right, she does the cute ones, and i do the ones that may never see the light of day and are completely out of the box to the point of potential fail. Oh, and indi stuff.

 :grin:

no need for green there ;P

Just tried it out. The only thing I'm not liking so far is that I can't find an option to invert the mouse Y axis. I'm one of those weird ones that gets all fumbled up with the concept of up meaning up and down meaning down. I blame all those hours of playing Star Raiders on my Atari 400.

PVP system actually sounds pretty rad to a former Lineage player. I'm going to give it a whirl.

No games that I know of in the subscription realm are toting anything close to guild based open pvp, including the major offerings from Koea (Aion). So... yeah, WoW with open PvP? I'll try it. Seems to let you decide to flag PvP or not, which could mean nobody does it. But I suspect that this game will service a very small niche, likely of PvP friendly players, and they have good incentives to make PvP look appealing.

Prefect World says it has GvG territory control.

yeah, but something about pandas on ravens throws me off for some reason.

It's also a not very good, money intensive game, past like level 30... and since levels go up past 100, if memory serves...
And lets not forget the furry fan-service.

DL'd and played last night for a few hours.

holy clones batman.

That said,  for a free german MMO (who expect you to buy the shiny stuff via paypal).... the UI and character response was better than Warhammer Online.  The very limited world pvp I saw looked more interesting than Warhammer Online.
 :raspberry:

Grippling?

It's not a german MMO. Frogster ist just publishing a translated and slightly upgraded version of Radiant Arcana (http://ra.moliyo.com/).
Releasedate will be 19.3.09 (http://us-forum.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=5567).

So it's WoW with loot dropping in PvP? I could play it.

Complete with buxom females in skin tight armor!  Only thongs offer that much protection at such little cost!

ahh okies thanks.

It is free* and I am enjoying myself, haven't dabbled much in the pvp (just duels) but yeah from what I understand item loot ala EQ zek servers where you can loot one item.  For a freebie it is incrediblly polished, and I really like the art.  some of the combat animations and sounds are a bit too anime for me.. but I am having fun.   Can't see playing this heavily or for very long.. but given a choice of logging into WoW or playing my little seductress, the sexy wins.



*- if you want the shiny stuff you pay $$

Played this last night, its not to bad. Just make sure when you sign up, you sign up on the USA site (or whatever region your in).

I looked at this game.  It's WoW with a cash shop.  You can level rather quickly and have multi-classes and multi-professions, but OH MY GOD, crafting is grindy as hell.  Just terrible. And, evidently, the cash shop won't just be selling ego items, either.  You'll be able to have things like permanent mounts only if you pay real money.   

It also has the most gold spam of any game I have ever known in my entire life.  Srsly.  And it's not even released yets!  I guess there won't be a wipe for launch.  There is an ignore type function which is very simple - just click the name in the chat box and choose blacklist - and I hope there is no end to how many people you can ignore.  In the couple of hours after I started, I must have blacklisted at least 10 spammers.  I have no idea how many since then. Lots.  Sometimes I wonder if the developers are also the gold sellers.  You can just zap however much gold you like in to existence.  You wouldn't even have to bot!  It would be the perfect cover!

Personally, I wouldn't pay anything to have anything in this game.  It's not good enough.  I can only see playing this game until the sub-par  WoWiness gets boring (weeks, maybe) or only being able to rent horses for 15 minutes or so starts to annoy you (days).

So far the only thing I really like about this game is the ability to multi-class your characters.  The rest of it is like Wow without any inspiration or design.

Yeah, it's generic and uninspired but it's not ass.

The multi-class system seems pretty cool in that you can effectively switch between the two classes as your main class and get different secondary class benefits.

Leveling is so far relatively fast (hit level 10 on my primary class in <2 hrs.)

PROS:

• Multiclass system is cool and somewhat unique
• Leveling not terribly slow
• FREE
• PvP system seems ok (rep rewards and factions)
• Stable and complete

CONS

• Totally uninspired generic setting
• 90% of the quests so far are variations on kill 10 rats
• Graphics sub-par (WoW TBC level, can't compete with LoTRO or AoC)
• Little too Asian for my tastes - big eyes, purple hair, etc.

Dunno that I'll play it for long, but it's pretty good for what it is. And the Cash Shop (RTM) advantages aren't game-changing. You could be pretty uber for very little $.

I dug that mounts are loot drops, i thought that was an interesting twist. I got a mount (for a day) at level 1. The slotting system also i found interesting, you can basically make your own gear, and choose what stats.

There's a horadric cube-esque crafting device called the 'arcane transmutor' that I really enjoyed. There are power stones you can buy (or drop from monsters) with +stat modifiers that you can combine with gear to transfer the item modifiers onto the power stone to make a mana stone, then mana stones three at a time to transfer all the +stat modifiers on the mana stones onto to the item. You only have a limited amount of 'stat slots' on the item and no stat can appear twice on the same item, so you have some control over what stats transfer over to the item. You can also combine 'runes' in the transmutor to make better runes which are used in the item sockets. It's a little confusing but once you try it firsthand you can see how it all fits together. It's good fun to see what kind of items you can make with it and it's much more fun than the  :ye_gods: crafting system they have in place.

The game is very well done for a free WOW clone. I'm impressed.

Apparently there is a full script language for skills makes it easy mode. With my priest/knight I have a skill that applies a debuff and another skill that does damage per stacked debuff.

Macro:
/cast Holy Strike
/wait 1
/cast Holy Strike
/wait 1
/cast Punishment

That thing executes every time. It's awesome. The animations are good, the UI is clean but it also allows addons just like WOW, just check out Curse.

It is generic land though. The classes are basic Priest/Warrior/Knight/Rogue/Scout/Mage. I believe you do use energy/rage/mana just like WOW. I haven't really explored much of the game yet but it held my attention for a while.

One interesting thing is that you can "dismantle" items into runes for what was mentioned already.

Best free MMO I've ever played and I think it's more feature complete and less buggy than any MMOG released in the last year or so.  I just hate cash shops, but I havn't really looked at what they offer yet.

I have not found out how to use this yet, is it a level requirement or something?

It might not be activated yet in the game. 

You on the PvP server? This is the game my group has chosen for now for out Thursday LAN party's. We should hook up (If you are on the PvP server).

Yeah I'm on the PVP server, I'm playing with the same name.

Sweet, yeah we should hook up, right now i got 2 others for a nice group of 3, 4 would be just that much better.  :grin: I think we are all around level 12-13. We only play on Thursdays.

I got bored of it pretty fast.

Being able to dual class is pretty hilarious, though. For good times, go warrior primary, rogue secondary. You don't get stealth, but you get dual wield, and the ability to basically blink behind your target to start meleeing.

The breaking down items thing is pretty sweet, though. If you find a sword with +10 strength, you break it down, and you get a rune that allows you to give +10 strength to an item.

If you played Too Human, it kind of works along that line - the amount of stars that are on the item determine how many modifiers that item will have.

Surprised no one has mentioned that you get a FREE!1! house not long after you've started playing (I got mine at level 6 or some such), and it seems you can furnish it yourself. I got a huge chest I could move around and rotate and stuff inside said house. For some reason, though, instanced houses doesn't seem to give me the feeling of ownership that houses in UO did. :/

Edit: Yeah, this game is out now.

Frogster secures further territories for Runes of Magic (http://www.mcvuk.com/press-releases/45843/Runes-of-Magic)

PDF on the game (http://www.magicgame.biz/games/RA/RadiantArcanaEN.pdf)

Going to download this today, will make a character on the PvP server whenever I get it up and running.

Hey its free, might as well give it a shot.

No level requirement. In your inventory (bag) button there should be a button that you click to open the interface - you start out with a few charges (10 I think); every time you use the transmutor you use a charge. You can buy more charges with the daily quest tokens and you get some in a couple of the leveling bags. I think they give you a (very) brief intro on the transmutor once you hit level 10 and go to the city. The official forums have a lot of good info on the intricacies and what you can do with it.

Yeah, level 10...or rather going to that main town, was my issue i found out. I got to 16-17 before dual classing and stuff.

You play everything, Mr B.  Are you a house husband?  (not that there's anything wrong with that!)

Don't i wish.

I downloaded the install for this and it kept saying it was corrupt.  Don't feel like sitting through the download again unless I know it will work.  Anyone have suggestions?

I downloaded the game off one of the shells, not the download tool.  One of them was a British server and I was getting 300-500kb/s off of it from the US.

You could try torrenting the Open Beta Client and patch from there, that still works.

I had the same problem, turns out the download tool will call it finished early sometimes.  Make sure that your downloaded vs remaining looks good.

I downloaded a torrent and patched from there. Their own software was slow as hell.

Ah...

I'll let it go overnight tonight and try it in the morning.  Thanks for the tip.

Download the game off usenet if you have a good provider.

Why would anyone bother downloading this at all? Just wondering.

I downloaded it a while back and played briefly.  I found it to be aggressively unremarkable.

Meh it's free, has interesting multi classing and semi fun PvP at low levels. It's worth a download. Not worth much more time for me - i lasted about 5 weeks, but it wasn't horrid. The gem system and multi-classing are things better games should steal. But yeah, it's not remarkable, but it's not horrid.

It's fun and easy to play, and it's free.  But I like DIKU stuff.

It has some interesting class combos. Scout/Mage gives you like 3 different snare/roots and about 6 insta cast ranged abilities. Priest/* seems wildly overpowered.

I've not really had much time to get into it yet. Then again, that's the point of a free mmo. No pressure to do anything.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

That alone makes me want to play.

Unfortunately, that one thing doesn't help me maintain an interest.  The game might looks WoWish but it's as mundane as can be.  Couple that with item mall mentality and it ended up to be a brief, vanilla distraction.  There are a lot of games, even free ones, with some clever bits but, like this one, the over all effect works like Seconal on me. (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/muede/a045.gif)

^

It's more of a time-killer than a game you can really immerse yourself in.

Hmmm. You know I'm realizing I have no place in my life anymore for this kind of game. Because I'm never just sititng around bored looking for something to do, I have to actively struggle against the tide of wife and children for every precious hour of gaming I get, so the experience better be worthwhile and not just a time filler.

Which I guess is why I haven't bothered to download this game.

I got around to trying this out today.  Its actually not that bad.  The game, from what I have seen, low level only, is really quite polished and plays well.  I don't know if it has enough content or depth to keep me interested long term, but it'll definitely end up in my play it for a bit pile and we'll go from there. 

Anybody know if this game includes a separate "anti-cheat" program that Asian MMOs are so fond of including? I stopped playing Granado Espada cause I got tired of having to reboot my computer every time I finished playing cause its anti-cheat program would fuck up my computer even when the game wasn't running.

I've noticed no secondary software at all.

It's not half bad. 

Actually, it was a great experience, for other reasons.  I played for an hour or two before I logged and uninstalled.  It finally made me come to the conclusion that RMT games are not for me.  By there being no monthly fee, there's nothing holding me to the world.  And because there's an unlimited supply of dumb shit I can spend my money on while drunk, I'm much better off not playing the game. 

It's one thing to lose a lvl 50ish D2 Barbarian's gear on Bnet because I was drunk, died and forgot to loot my corpse before I logged.  It's an entirely different thing to get drunk and buy a couple hundred dollars of 1s and 0s. 

The only thing thats really necessary to buy in this game is a mount, though you can get them in game too on a limited basis.  The rest is all enchants for weapons and shit you can get in game.

Also you can buy diamonds with in game stuff from other players.  You can put up gear for diamonds etc in the AH.

> By there being no monthly fee, there's nothing holding me to the world.
You only have a car for a car payment?

WHAT?

Maybe he's just drunk a lot and doesn't trust himself to not have too much fun.

I'm going to fill out one of those Amazon wish lists now. Hawkbit, message me the next time you're drinking.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's saying that since he has nothing tangible invested he doesn't feel the need to play to justify his investment when the game itself is more distraction than actual fun.  It's the "treadmill syndrome". As in when you buy a treadmill all jazzed up about getting in shape, convinced that spending all that money will guilt yourself into working out at home. Obviously, the treadmill syndrome is not all that effective, which is why MMOs leverage operant conditioning and lewt that is phat.

That's a pretty good way of saying it.  Another would be:  I do dumb shit when I drink and I like to drink a lot.  Ergo, I do dumb shit a lot.  Damn, haven't any of you bought something you really don't need when you're drunk and woke up the next day and say to yourself "Dammit, what the hell happened?  I can remember being in a bookstore last night, I have fuzzy images of it in my memory.  But why in the hell did I buy a $33 40-year old book about Eskimos?  And why is my underwear in my pocket?  Fuuuuck... where's my wallet?"  That's why I can't do RMT games.   :grin:

Also, buying items/cash makes me feel icky, yet a monthly fee doesn't.  Figure that one out.  There's a mental disconnect there I can't figure out.  They say RMT is the wave of the future, but I'm not going there. 

EDIT:  It's almost as if I think I'll run myself broke through item envy.  If I'm running around with a sword +3 and some douche kills me with a sword +5, I'm going to buy a sword +5 (or better) just to make sure I've got the upper hand.  Then I log on and see the sword +5 is $75.00.  <--- that's the issue.  I'd start considering actually spending $75.00 on a bunch of 1s and 0s just to be better than some guy on the internet. 

It's a personal problem, and I likely need counseling.   :oh_i_see:

I get the part where you don't trust yourself not to waste money on virtual goods, just not the part where paying a monthly fee makes the game more sticky.  It's the exactly the opposite for me.  I quit games often because I can't justify the monthly fee for a game I just want to play a couple hours per month.  I would love CoH to have a sensible microtransaction system so I could play the game as infrequently as I want.

Yeah, no question about it:  We're exact opposites on this one.  It's easier for me to allocate the $15 a month in one chunk and know I can log into that game for as much as I want for the next month. 

Maybe it's a feeling of ownership I get for that month.  With an item shop, I can never feel as if I own the game because there's always more to buy.  I don't know.  I'm fucking weird, I suppose. 

I equate it to a buffet. I like paying one price for all I can eat. Sometimes it's a little. Sometimes it's a lot.

Now if I could just find a bar that operated like that...

Sounds simple to me. Need to be drunk even more often, won't feel icky about buying dumb shit, then.

Yeah, I hate when that happens.  Seriously, you'd think I'd learn after waking up with all those hookers.  That's money I could spend on a new game!

See?  Someone else gets it!

It's not about the drunk. It's that the pricepoints compel impulse buys in the same way iPhone apps do. People used to equate MTX with SMS messages, but that's incorrect because the cost of an SMS message never occurs to you whereas you're making an actual purchase with MTX (or an iPhone app).

This is really the sole reason these types of games can be successful. They get just enough gottahaveitalls to drive most of the revenue in a game they didn't really spend a whole lot on making in the first place.

And that ultimately is why they aren't for me. I just haven't seen an MTX game come close to the level of immersion or playable quality as a subs-based one.

But then, I want to immerse myself in a game for a period of time. Today's kids are even more flighty than we all were when we banging on the game store for the latest Colecovision hit while our Depression-era parents wondered how that shit mattered more than a good liberal arts education.

> I just haven't seen an MTX game come close to the level of immersion or playable quality as a subs-based one.
Has there even been one to make the attempt?  There is your WoW Killer.

RoM so far is just as immersive as WOW 1.0 and 2.0.  There are storylines, quests chains etc. 

The diamond shop thing is really not a big deal imo.  You can level and do content without ever buying anything.  You just can't the most powerful items in the game because they come from enchanting and transmuting stuff.  So it's like you can get everything in the game except the top tier raiding equipment for free.

Not bad.

Things you'd probably spend money on:
Extra Bank/Bag space.
Mount.

You can make diamonds in the game.  I see trends for selling blues and purples for diamonds in the AH.  I also see crafting mats and other stuff being sold as well for them so if you really want you can get everything you want without spending a dime if you farm for it. 

For twenty bucks I bought 500 diamonds, but a mount, enchant one piece of gear and I spent about $4.00.

OMG. Mom?


Ahem. You're doing it wrong.

Runes of Magic looks basically like free to play WoW, yah. Didn't actually play it so don't know if that impression is accurate. But they have systems in it (housing and whatnot) that go beyond what popular subscribtion-based games offer at the moment.

From what I can tell, everybody will pay $15 per character to get the permanent mount, but beyond that the cash shop is largely optional.

The issue is quality as well.  People earlier were saying it was a bland WoW.

It's way more bland than WoW.  The quests, dialog, etc. aren't very clever.  I'm not the sort who gets completely immersed in a game for the most part, but RoM seems extra, special non-immersing.  I enjoyed playing WoW for a bit but I found RoM to be a complete snooze-fest after playing for a very short while, in spite of multi-classing and some of the other unusual bits and bobs it has.

RoM is indeed INCREDIBLY bland.  When I tried it I actually laughed at one of the area maps it was so constructed.  There was a path down the middle and off of each side was a series of "setpieces" like a haunted bridge, forest, whatever.  It was like I was walking through main street in Disneyland picking which ride I wanted to go to.

Bah, i have been doing just fine renting them and getting them as loot drops. Not to say i have not been temped to rent some bag space...but i don't play this game that seriously.

Maybe, but the hookers are doing it even more wrong.  They should be long gone with any pills, cash and easily pawned valuables by morning.

Here's the solution to the "drunk" thing:

• Keep your diamond account low
• Put an extremely long and hard-to-type password (using numbers, shifted chars, even accented ones if it allows) on your account
• Commit the password to memory, and most importantly, don't have it in a file for copy and paste.

There--instant password-alyzer-protected bank account :wink:

I get a little puzzled when people say it is bland in comparison to WoW, which I find to be anything but immersive and with the notable exception of a few zones, I find WoW to be extremely bland...  /shrug.

been playing RoM it for a bit, probably coughed up $30 bucks for perma mount, storage space.  As for quest dialog being bland, last game I think I ever got into questing was Baldurs Gate.... so generic quests don't exactly bother me.

What I am enjoying is their class system, the brief pvp I have experienced, and very little self-pressure to keep up with the Joneses.  Normally in an MMO I am frantically leveling as fast as I can for the first few months.  But with this, who fucking cares, it is *free*.  Self-deception or not, it has made all the difference for me,  and my WoW characters are pretty much rotting these days.

I am running around with a Priest/Rogue on a pve server, and a Mage/Priest on the pvp server and am enjoying it.  I think it is a nice diversion, don't see myself playing it beyond a few months.

Now with all that said, I can definitely see the risk for Drunken Diamond Binges.

Well I broke down and got the game. It is suprisingly competent and feature-complete for a free game. This may scratch my diku itch until Aion.

This is exactly what ROM is to me.  Free game until I get to try AION which is going through open beta in China.  Downloading the client now!

Ni hao, fuckers! It payback time la! <;-]*

Ok... Does anyone know of a place where I can download this that allows me to pause and restart the download other than the official downloader (which sucks ass)?

Look for a torrent.

The torrent sucked ass as well

Yeah, I haven't been able to find anything other than the official torrent that isn't months out of date. Shrug. I'm slowly getting it from filefront.

It ran fine for me overnight. Sure, the patcher sucked but it didn't crap out all the time like the one for Aion.

RMT is the future of the industry not because they can compete with WoW, but because they can coexist with WoW. Fact is the sub based model while convenient in the minds of the average mmo gamer is ultimately a "shop once and for all" model. You either playing the fuck out of that sub game or your playing the fuck out of another sub game, but your not paying 15 dollars a month for both WoW and LotR or WoW and AoC or LotR and FF11. I even bet there are more players wiling to pay for 2 or more accounts in WoW than pay a sub for two different games.

Games like ROM, Maple Story, Silk Road, Runescape, these games CAN and ARE being played along with a WoW or a LoTR or a AoC. People are more than willing to play WoW and Runescape, or WoW and Runes of Magic, or WoW and Maple Story and Runes of Magic and Conquer vs doing the same thing for a list of sub games. Its not a matter of playing one or the other when it comes to f2p games, you can literally play them all, although because of the micro transactions you might end up spending say 20 dollars every 2 month on the f2p games alone.

and you have me right there in a nutshell.  No way in hell was I going to pay for WoW and WAR (when I played).  But I don't seem to mind paying for WoW while I mainly play RoM.

I tried this game. 18 levels in so far and I'm loving it!  :heart:

There's still life left in the old EQ/diku MMO, just as long as it's smooth and polished. Which this is, kind of like WoW. The dual class system is also totally sweet.

Groan!

I'm genetically vulnerable to addictions.

I gotta talk a bit more about the dual class system. Basically, you get another class at level 10. The catch is that the new class starts at level one, and you can only level one class at a time. So you ding 10 and switch your primary class, and boom you're back to newbie with a pile of loot too high for your level and a log full of red quests. At this point the game offers a teleport to a new starting area, and off you go again.

It's double the grind, but also double the variety. Skills in the game are divided so that some are exclusive to the primary class, while the rest can be used as long as your level is high enough on both classes. It's fairly confusing at first, but I kind of like the feeling of depth it gives to character development.

Ultimately, we all die and it doesn't matter, so I'm gonna play anyway.

Final Fantasy XI does the dual-class system rather a bit better, in that only a very small assortment of abilities are excluded when you're using a job as a secondary, while Runes seems to lock out a class's better abilities when it's not the primary class.  In addition, Runes locks a character into their class choices, and gives no hints as to the viability of one's class build.  So if you decide it would be great to be, say, a ranger/warrior, then learn that ranged combat and close combat are sort of mutually exclusive, it's time to make a new character.

FFXI lets you swap and pick jobs at will, as long as they aren't the 'advanced' jobs, which have annoying quest prerequisites to unlock.  So if you decide one day that you're tired of being the healer and want to shoot people in the face with a pistol, you can just swap classes lickety-split.  It also has a much broader variety of jobs, but that's after three expansions and several years of development, so that's an unfair comparison.

Runes, on the other hand, is free.  'Free' being 'free as long as you never pay them for stuff like mounts or storage space or the best weapon upgrades', but it is at least theoretically possible to play for free.  It also doesn't have FFXI's craptastic console-crippled control scheme, having ripped off WoW's much better UI and controls.  I still consider FFXI to be a vastly superior game, but if you're poor or just miserly, Runes is a decent enough MMOG for the (non)price.

Guild Wars class system makes you guys look like noobs.  :drill: