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Well for the last like 4 hours or so i have not been able to get on and change my skills.  I am able to get to the internet through Firefox, IE, Chrome and Safari and i can get on AIM.  Everything else eats shit when i try and connect to the internet...


Programs included:  Steam, Eve, Vent, TS, LimeWire, uTorrent, Skype...


Any ideas??

first thing I think, you picked up some sort of virus.

Maybe your firewall somehow started applying outgoing restrictions. Browsers (don't know about aim) all go over tcp/80, a pretty standard port to allow outbound traffic over. The other stuff  you mentioned uses arbitrary ports that wouldn't be enabled by default by a program controlling outgoing traffic.

In the worst case your ISP has decided to block everything higher than tcp/1024 but I don't think they do that anymore.

IT sounds like the reasons you browsers work is because they probably connect via a proxy, the rest of the stuff wont.

can you do NSLOOKUP www.google.com and TRACERT www.google.com from a command prompt?

i can do the nslookup but it wont let me run the tracert command...


also now thinking about it...this all started after i installed uTorrent a few days ago.  Ive been downloading music and all constantly.  Then i had to restart my computer because of a Microsoft Update(fuck those updates...i hate them...) and when my comp restarted all of a sudden nothing had internet connection where it did before...dont know if this helps with figuring out the problem or not...

did you open or run any of those things you grabbed from utorrent?

it was jsut discographies from piratebay for my itunes...i downloaded them and put them on my itunes then deleted the .torrent file...

Heh.

i so have a feeling your about to laugh in my face and and tell me why everything isnt working...

Fixing this while keeping your data intact (if I am right) will require you have tools on hand already or another machine.  Some can be removed easier than others.

He is!

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hahahaha

only thing is ive run a few different virus scans already and nothing has come up...not that they always do i know...but still...i cant afford to have my laptop out of commission especially with the end of the semester coming up and my desktop already being out of commission with a fried motherboard...that i still havent replaced...

there are plenty of things that do not show up on your run of the mill virus scanners.  Which one are you using?

Well McAfee and Norton i have run like 3 times each...and i know i have spysweeper somewhere on my laptop but i have so much crap installed on here that i need to go through and clean out my harddrive...then maybe i would be able to find shit on here...haha...stupid engineering major and them giving me all these different programs to use...


well ima jsut do my virus scans again and head to bed...going to the flyers hockey game tomorrow...hopefully i can figure something out...

Is the Windows Firewall or something similiar turned on?

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Argh I just hurt myself laughing at that. Please tell me it's real.  :awesome_for_real:

That is absolutely real.

Is it local? I want a copy!

San Francisco, last year, I believe.

Given that there's a @badgerherald.com email address and a Madison, WI-addressed advertisement, I'd doubt it's in San Francisco.

This is a semi wild stab in the dark inspired by the fact you have recently done windows update

If you have the ipsec service running set it to disabled reboot and retry

What's your setup btw? Do you have a router or adsl modem?

I called tex support for you  Appearanty the innernets were down today and as it's a u.s. Holliday there was nobody to reboot the world server. 

My Firewall is actually turned off...

You sir, are a cancer attractor.

So... you installed a bittorrent client and started downloading lots of illegal music and other stuff. And you turned your firewall off? Now you're having computer problems....

 :oh_i_see:

lol...i never realized it was off...it is back on now...i think what i might end up doing is just completely wiping my hard drive and restoring my original settings...because of all the music i download my parents are giving me one of their external hard drives so i can back up some stuff anyway...

Yeah back all that illegal stuff you downloaded up before you format and reinstall. Good plan. What could possibly go wrong?

Regular old .mp3 files can't pass viruses can they?

My emphasis. I'm assuming that means there's more than music there.

Also, I am partly just being a grumpy twat here, having a bad day for various reasons and just taking it out on this poor sod. Sorry mr "ninja sportz" (heh, ok).

well actually it was only music...but some of the songs did come in different formats than jsut mp3...


some of them were in wma and m4a formats

One old trick is to name a file something.mp3.exe.  Then if you have "known file extensions" turned off (the default  :ye_gods:) you click on it thinking it's an mp3.  "Nothing" happens so you delete the file thinking it's corrupt, but what it really did was copy its trojan code to your machine, set to run on bootup.

There are assuredly other ways to make that sort of thing happen too.  A virus scanner without its definitions up to date, or ones that are just simply trash (*cough*McAfee) will not pick up on some zero-day exploits and newly released viruses.

edit: do a quick google for "mp3 exploit", and you'll see there are many.

ooo yea...also in response to this...i dont need to backup the music i downloaded...its already on my iPod and i have that on manual sync so as long as i never turn that off and sync it with my comp i can do without backing them up...

You can encode payloads to exploit specific media player (small 'm' and 'p') vulnerabilities even in media files that are nominally non-executable.  Usually these exploit buffer overflow vulnerabilities.  .avi files are particularly shit, historically.  You used to be able to overwrite heap memory even from a web page like this.

iTunes before 4.8 certainly had vulnerabilities.  WMV files were created to wrap additional functionality around movies, such as accessing web pages for digital verification and so on.  A webpage with a malware payload combined with a machine on which regular Windows Updates have not been carried out is a problem.

It's still strange that the machine is totally disabled.  These days, there is more money in making zombies.  But hey: pay for your music  :awesome_for_real:

Also, don't you owe me ISK? ;)

yes i do...and i know i do...but since i resubbed i havent been able to get down to goon space and rat at all...i did finally get my raven out of litom and to rens though the other day so i think what ill probably end up doing is selling it there and then buying a new one out in goon space...that is if i can ever get my computer to run EVE again...so i apologize about that flav...you will get your isk...eventually...lol


i cant wait til i do my co-op this summer...make money and build my new desktop i want...then i will have my laptop for music and papers and shit...and my desktop for all my games...



**EDIT**  On that note...im off to the flyers hockey game...ill be back later...

ok.. go to free.grisoft.com and get AVG-FREE, uninstall that norton garbage and put AVG in its place. Run the full scan

2nd.. go to lavasoft.com and get ADAWARE, install and run that

3rd get SPYBOT and run that

4th get TuneupUtilities2009.. its free for 30 days, install and run it

you may need to be in safe mode to download these files.

why? A neighbor brought me his laptop, it had Norton, and a problem. It would turn on, and could not move anywhere off the desktop. I ran norton from safe mode.. 0 errors, then I did what I suggested above.... 145 virus found using avg, 100+ with spybot and 100+ with adaware, and tuneup utilities fixed over 300 registry errors.. 6 hours later, I returned a 'faster than new' laptop.

Be careful with that AVG program. A recent version wiped out a critical Windows DLL rendering many many machines inoperable.

Guess I got lucky then. Heh.

AVG is crappy use Avast!

edit: bit snarky I thought better of

I've been using AVG for about a decade (ack) with no problems and no viruses (though it has blocked a few threats).  I like it.

Use Kaspersky best virus software I've ever used or seen though you will have to pay for it, Avast is the best free one to my knowledge. AVG is truly awful it seems to attract Viruses I have to fix my GF's parents machine on a regular basis cause they use it. Also don't use limewire it requires you switch off your firewall this is the worst thing you can do and aswell as being riddled with adware and other shit is another gaping backdoor into your system stick with torrents or if it's just porn you want  myfreepaysite.com / redtube.com

I've been using AVG for years with no problem and the one time I actually managed to get infected with a real virus (it was nasty enough that it actually disabled ZoneAlarm) AVG cleaned it out just fine.

I've heard good things about Avast (never used it myself) my only complaint with AVG is that, while it seems capable at detecting threats, it's not particularly great at removing them

I've heard a lot of horror stories with AVG and experienced some though I have also heard people have no problems with it it's nowhere near as bad as Norton that's the shittiest program known to man. My main gripe with it is it's a system hog and has some weird side effects. I got a pirated copy of Kaspersky and ran it for a few months til eventually they detected it and blocked me, so happily knowing it was good as I had been lead to believe I forked out for a years sub it's extremly unintrusive, doesn't take up much RAM and all the viruses I have opened it's removed.

i totally would...i absolutely hate norton...but my damn school requires it to be on my computer because they are fucking retards and think its amazing...


i will look into installing either AVG or Avast and some of the other ones...but i might jsut end up wiping my system...it will probably depend on if i can find my recovery disks...lol

I used Avast on my PC also.

I vote for AVG also, it cleans off the nasty pornopopup junk that nothing else seems to get.  Never tried Avast.

Run all the cleaner stuff, it will probably work and you won't have to reinstall and make yourself crazy looking for a driver for your network hardware.

Amarr HM is also a cancer attractor - mentions Limewire, encourages use of torrents, then provides links to porn.


Yep, brain cancer attractor.


You stole something, they found out you're a thief, and you place your absolute trust in them on the same system.

Just wipe that shitty windows box and install Ubuntu, you will thank me for it in 6 months!

wow...i took a nap while i was downloading Tuneup, Avast, and AdAware because my comp is running slow as shit and took an hour or more for each of them...


well during my nap i guess norton decided to run again and actually found a virus...im impressed...lol well now its time to run the big boys and see what they come up with...updates later...

If you don't mind running a brower-based scanner I recommend MS's Windows Live OneCare scanner:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/default.htm

You can run it in Windows Safe Mode with Networking to cut down on the stuff that's loaded at startup. It's quite slow but in terms of the free stuff it did the best job of finding the spyware that got onto my dad's computer. You'll still want to run a variety of stuff cause no single program will find them all.

Wait... who are all you people and what are you doing in the Eve forum?

If you really want to wrack up your computer protection arsenal, go check out PC World's article 50 tools to speed up your PC (http://www.pcworld.com/article/150813-2/50_tools_to_speed_up_your_pc.html). Most of them are free, some utilities have a trial and cost around $20 to $40 to fully activate. Settings reconfiguration, program and network optimization, disc and registry cleanup, security, etc. Should all help your PC run better.

I've lost skill training because of computer trouble and some decrapafying has helped. Last time however it was a case of accidentally resetting my DSL modem settings and all I had to do to get packets flowing again was to re-enter my username and password.

WOOT!!  i think it was just something about my network at home because im back at school and havent done anything about trying to fix it since two days ago and now everything is connecting fine...

The what forum?

Great, so now you're going to infect the college network.

shitty network anyway...dont really care...

It's clearly better than your home one though.

Not for much longer! Hahahahargh  :awesome_for_real:

actually i do have to agree with you there...i get better connection and faster internet here at school...which doesnt make sense in my mind since i have FiOS at home and comcast DSL i think here at school...

EVE itself can wipe out a critical Windows DLL just fine.

In six months when you finally figure out how to make it print?

Ubuntu worries me I'm not sure if I'm ready to make that step, I'd rather buy a crapton of ram and stick with vista cause that's the only problem I have with it being a ram hog.

Actually, Ubuntu works straight off the 25 mins install and has all hardware detected properly. Install XP or vista properly and you are looking at a few hours wasted and still a heap of errors in the event viewer. For day to day use there isn't anything to learn with ubuntu, the only learning you need is if you want to tailor the OS for your own needs. The only downside to using linux is games, but hey, Eve Online works fine with it.

Vista only recognises 3.3 Gig of RAM unless you buy the ultimate version afaik. I've a pretty hot PC at home running 4 Gig on vista, it only recognises 3.3 and the performance is still slower than 1 gig with linux.

You should download the live CD and run it from boot. It doesn't install anything and lets you try it out and see if its for you. If you find you like it, my advice would be to partition the drive and dual-boot. Having said that, if you are running vista, its a fucker for deleting the boot loader, so you may find that your dual boot disappears and you are back to a single windows only machine.

I'd personally recommend Ubuntu, Kubuntu (windows style GUI), or Open SUSE. 

You are running a 32-bit Vista version.

I have linux and windows (vista and xp) machines running for various purposes, and each has their uses.  But it's disingenuous to suggest that someone's life won't be a crapload more awkward if they swap their games machine to a linux distro.

Also, I have a 4GB, 32-bit vista ultimate machine.  You allocate the remainder to act as a window for the graphics card, so it's not wasted.  The result of that amount of memory is that I can happily run four (classic) Eve clients for mining on the same box.  I could probably push it a bit and run more if necessary.

That said, I admit that this is not the thread for that particular opsys holy war.  I also use Emacs instead of vi, if any old school geeks are not yet fully inflamed.

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It is wasted.

If you like Vista's UAC prompts but would like to have more of them you'll love Ubuntu.

You are doing it wrong.

I could explain to you why it is not, but why should I be any less of an arrogant and unhelpful jerk than you are being?

You could try but you would still be wrong. Sorry if my short answer wasn't enough to make you think that maybe you should do a little research on your own to figure out why you are wrong.

No I didnt suggest it for a games machine, which is why I suggested a dual-boot. But for normal use of a computer then there are numerous linux distro's out there that are far more reliable than windows, easier to install and you don't have problems such as ninja was having with a virus. If you put a computer illiterate person in front of one windows machine and one linux distro, I know which one they would pick, hands down!


Its totally wasted! OK, ultimate edition allows you to allocate to the graphics card, but a huge chunk of your RAM is taken up by the OS needlessly in the first place. I'd go as far as saying to Vista users, get rid of it and install XP, at least it utilises your hardware better than Vista.

I get two less UACs a month on Vista from patching alone. Seriously, every time I look at my Ubuntu something needs patching so there's a UAC. And the Ubuntu sits there as a webserver, I don't actually use it. On Vista I browse, watch videos, play WoW, do programming and graphics and I still get less UACs.

Here I'll help you out. I just typed in "32-bit vista 4 GB RAM" into Google (without the quotes) and this is the top link:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html

Note the paragraph right above the address space diagram.

Just in case you don't believe that guy you can download and read this:

http://download.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/dp35dp/sb/d88103001us.pdf

Go to section 2.1.1 and read it.

Also look closely at the label on the address space diagram that says "Top of usable DRAM (memory visible to the operating system)". Notice how the PCI area is *above* that line. I.e. the OS can't even *see* that space as usable RAM, it's not that the OS is explicitly "reserving" that area for a video card or whatnot and can change its mind on how it wants to use that space.

Wow, my attempt to inflame the thread succeeded above my wildest dreams.

edit: in an attempt to actually add content, my last romp with Linux was a weeklong attempt to figure out how to install SUSE.  Finally I found out that the default filesystem doesn't really, y'know, work. Then I remembered that I had a life.

That said, I like Linux and Macs as much as windows, but I enjoy inflaming zealots even more than experimenting with operating systems.


I have a term for this I like to use.  It's the same reason you don't see a lot of Mac viruses.  I like to call it "Security by abject failure in the marketplace".

Well okay then, if for some reason you are constantly running apt-get or whatnot then yeah you'll have to keep typing in your password. Or you could just do it once a month like Microsoft does for its updates. Or you could get rid of the stuff you don't use so it won't bother trying to update that stuff. On my Ubuntu server box with a minimal install I've run apt-get 27 times in the last 12 months which is roughly twice a month which is only slightly more than you are getting with Vista.

BCDEDIT /SET PAE ForceEnable

/leans back

/sips mojito

You would still need a 64bit processor/motherboard, I'm afraid.

from here (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605)

Two things about that.  One is that that's not what we're discussing: we're talking about 32-bit Vista.  The other is that you're actually wrong: you can do this with anything back to the (32-bit) Pentium Pro so long as you use a 36-pin mobo (obviously, so long as the BIOS is up to scratch).  We first did it on a Royal Mail contract I did for corporate mail compliance.

The memory hole no longer exists, you can use PAE to address more in a 32 bit OS because the size of the page table entry becomes 8 bytes rather than 4 bytes for non-PAE. This essentially halves the size of the page table (which is still fixed at 4KB), but you've started to use 64 bit addresses rather than 32 bit addresses). To get round this a level of indirection to page addresses is added; and arguably there is therefore an effective performance compromise by enabling it (you now have 64bit page addresses, but a smaller page table, thus you reference it indirectly from the register, rather than directly).

tl;dr:  The old saw of 'you can't address 4G' is no longer true, but is replaced by 'all memory access to the whole 4G is potentially slower - both for minor and major page faults'.

That said, I am not a hardware guy (IANAHG?).

 ;D

Very nice. Thank you for correcting me, I was wrong.

Unfortunately that mode slows down your memory access by 33%. I would not recommend anybody run it just to get back that 512 - 768 MB of memory. If you *really* need that extra memory, switch to a 64-bit OS.

That's not a problem these days, though. Both AMD and Intel have been selling 64-bit desktop CPUs for a while now. Also that page is a red herring (I saw that too and I got tripped up by it cause it says it requires 64-bit OS).

This one is the applicable page:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929580

Just as a matter of interest, is anyone running the 64-bit version of vista and if so, how does it perform compared to the 32-bit. Any problems with application compatibility?

You're right, of course, that the real answer is to spend the :10bux: (I think MS still do that offer?) and get the 64-bit version, especially if you get driver issues under PAE (which can still be an issue, though nowhere near as bad as before).  Of course, there are potential speed issues with 32-bit code on 64-bit Vista, too, so it's all down to a tremendously-complex set of judgement calls what is best for a particular set of tasks (ie finger-in-the-air, grimace, suck air through teeth...).

Thank god it isn't a complicated issue and it's explained so very clearly on the microsoft pages.

Applications are generally fine. It's the drivers that still can give people problems. The NVIDIA 64-bit drivers were especially bad in the past. Supposedly they were causing 30% of the crashes back in 2007 (not clear which part of the year).

Any time an architecture changes you're likely to see some issues.

At a super high level, I suspect they are mostly caused by people circumventing APIs or making use of undocumented features.  Usually an OS manufacturer (or community in the case of open source) should provide an abstraction layer to keep the details of the architecture out of application code, but people circumvent it and the problems thus caused are summarily blamed on the operating system.

This was the cause of a lot of errors when PAE was first introduced.  Developers were merrily coding away - usually on drivers, as Trippy says - making incorrect assumptions about the address range of the memory they were dealing with.

I'm running whatnot every time I click the "your machine is not up-to-date" icon, the same as on Vista. Seems only fair.

Whatever about the updates, I mean software is inherently insecure or bugged and to a certain extent, I welcome updates. However, what I don't like is Microsoft's "forcing" you to download updates and restarting your computer without even asking. Before anyone even says it, yes I have changed my update options, but Vista ignores my settings from time to time.

As a counterpoint to this, I want Microsoft to go as far as possible in forcing you to update your machine, given what you say you do with it!  I don't appreciate a million zombie machines sending spam around the globe...

Hey my machine doesn't spam the globe... I save all my spam for this forum!

It's never done that to me.  Maybe there's a PEBCAK.

Also I would expect more updates from Microsoft.  The corollary of my earlier law is that EVERYONE targets MS OSes so they better be on top of security like no other.

I've been running vista for the last year and a half my machine has bluescreened maybe twice, some small games compatibility issues but in comparison to it's predecessors my experience is it's the most stable. I really hated XP I am not as technically inclined as most people in this thread so perhaps for more advanced use I'd face problems with Vista but I don't. The reason I won't switch to Linux is the concerns I have about program/game availability compatibility I know you suggested partitioning but nah fuck that I ain't having problems so why bother ( I only have 3 gigs of ram which for me is enough RAM).

I'm sticking with xp for the same reason you are on vista. It does what it needs to be doing for me and I'm happy with it.
I can't really think of any feature in vista I miss by running xp but I'll switch to vista as soon as I think I'm missing out on something. DX10 maybe or ultimate's use of 4gig ram, as I learned today :p

Vista generated a lot of bad press at launch because it was sold on pc's that couldn't run it well enough, machines with 1gig of ram and a crappy onboard videocard, couple that with crap drivers from a lot of major suppliers and you end up with hordes of unhappy customers. I remember a guy with a vista sony vaio that had costed him 2k€ and ran noticeably slower than his 4 year old xp laptop...

I'll agree that about Vista.  I stayed away from it for a year, until after SP1 and it's a lot better than the pre-SP1 stories I heard.

In terms of features, I can't think of any that I love over XP.  The Aero glass interface is pretty neat but I could live without it, but why not when you have a fast cpu and lots of RAM.  I mainly got it because it was the path of least resistance when I got a new PC.

IMO because I don't have a lot of extra time and I'd rather be gaming than tweaking my system, an OS should do its job and stay out of your way.  Vista does that but my limited experience with Linux is not exactly the same.  Maybe one day I'll install some distro if I feel like climbing that particular learning curve.

Strangest EVE thread ever. For real.

Edit: OK, 2nd strangest. I forgot about Winger Dick Girl.

Meh, its a break from the norm and an opportunity for us to show what real nerds we are lol

Can't believe nobody mentioned how awesome his mac is. :grin:

My Mac is awesome. I just don't use it to play EVE, because it's shit at that.

I wasn't complaining, I think it's great, I'm learning loads  :awesome_for_real: