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As is traditional, this is your reminder to set long skills training, because CCP patches are not universally successful nor invariably smooth.

Now, a lot of retards on this very board thought that the patch happens at the usual downtime of midday.  This is not the case: you will not be able to log in.  The patch starts at 0200 or so Eve time.  And last time they started early.

As is by now traditional, this thread shall now devolve into epeen waving about what skills we are training during this period:

- Remote Armor Repair Systems V (for capital remote armor reppers and better repping of pos modules in the weeks of fighting in ZS- that lie ahead)
- Logistics IV (I refer the right honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some minutes previously)
- Caldari Carrier IV (two carriers in a system = 24 fighters to assign, so ask Samson about how to make your LVBee characters)
- Armored Warfare Specialist IV (because which of you don't want 20% bonuses to all resists in the gang?)

Jump Drive Calibration V
Metallurgy V
Medium Hybrid Turret V

Thanks Endie, I was training Gallente BS III which would end right in the middle of this downtime.

Switched to Sharpshooter V.  They now have a week to get the game unfucked.  Hopefully that's enough.  :grin:

Heyheyhey, someone is getting close to going a very long way in capitals.  Have you seen the stuff on the GF forums about making money as a JF pilot?

I'm an odd 1 day away from finishing Sharpshooter V, which is going to get way too damn close for my liking.

Battlecruiser V, ahoy!

I endorse this campaign.

Cybernetics V
Hull Upgrades V
Weapon Upgrades V

Sentry Drones V.

20 days should be long enough.

In our new, slowed-down world, I cannot help but think that this will be a wise investment.

Not sure what skill. I'm still patching WINE to make EVE fucking log in. That, plus figuring out why it refuses to run at any resolution than my desktop one.

11.25 LY trips with 360,000m3 should make for some very nice logistics.  77s to AZN in 3 jumps, or to ZS- in 2.  0-o to ZS- in 2, ZS- to low-sec/empire border in 4 etc...

But no, I haven't looked too in depth at anything for info on JF piloting or moon mining yet.  (I'm also not finding much JF info on GF forums now that I'm looking unless I'm searching for the wrong thing?) I'm still a long ways from the isk to buy one so I figured not much point yet.  I actually owe someone a bunch of isk out of my next batch since I borrowed some I was short to get the pilot character right away so I could get a head start on JDC V.  :uhrr:

Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Advanced Spaceship Command IV (Though I'm not sure about that as it's under a week I think (don't have evemon at work) ....)

I don't have either of those problems with real Windows.   :drill:

Well, at least I might get a chance to jump that megacyte and zydrine out for you if the fighting in ZS- eases for a day.

Doris - Jump Drive Op V (jump frieghter alt in the making)
Berious - Large energy turret V (got to chase that fotm hells yeah)

Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV. Should probably have done Cloak V, Covert Ops V or Interceptor V instead.

Small Projectile Weapons V

Why, because I want to fly all T1 frigs with T2 weapons, that's why!

Maybe I'll slap a turret, machine gun, hybrid, and a missle on a rifter and see who laughs last.  :awesome_for_real:

It's Vivox being gay  :uhrr:

Am in real Windows now, too. Jump Drive Ops V Go!

Large hybrid V
Weapon Upgrades V

Well, I was doing Covops IV, but that'll run out tomorrow. Perhaps Advanced Weapons Upgrades V, or Medium Hybrid V (not sure if I have that one), or Battleship V or Battlecruiser V.....

Large Railgun Specialization 4 for me, also, epeen++

Third of my skillpoints (24M) are in Spaceship Command. Anti-specialization FTW!

I bet it will ease for a day.  I bet their will barely be a shot fired for around 24 hours starting at oh...I dunno....0200 EVE time?  :grin:

Glass cannon much?  :why_so_serious:

I wish I could be more of a glass cannon, I'd gladly fly a battleship with a cruiser tank if I could crank out at least double the damage I do now.

Propulsion Jamming V, checking in.

Gallente Titan V

Can we borrow you to give out gang bonuses for a few weeks?   :drill:

Astrogeology V (finishing in 3 days)
Navigation V

So apparently the game decided to fuck itself a few hours early, and I was waiting a little while to switch skills.

At least I'll have long range targeting 4 when it comes up..and only at least 20 hours wasted!

Acceleration Control V, under the theory of "Every little helps after the nerf".

Can someone explain to this newbie what the time diff is between EST and eve?

5 hours. Eve runs GMT. The difference is always whatever your timezone is.

Thanks :)

Navigation 5. I saw something that needed it for a prereq (black ops or something), so I figured what the hell.

Cruise Missiles V, hurray.
Caldari Freighter V on the alt.

It seems like this happens to someone every time.  I was tempted to switch and try to sneak in a 2 hour skill before it went down, but I'm glad I didn't.

Mining Barge V
Minmatar Industrial V

cruiser 5, figure 26 days should be safe enuff

I got back in before the DT and was able to switch to a long skill, but I was sweating for awhile there.

Energy Management V

You never can tell with CCP ;)

Weapon Upgrades 5

Been putting this off on one of my toons for far too long, now that he can fly a Recon (yeah I know priorities) I figured he needed HAC as well (and the short sprint to Adv Weapon Upgrades 4 won't hurt his fitting either)

It's sure nice to see that after all this time, they're still not able to finish in less time than their patch window.  :drill:

this happened to me too....I thought I had at least another two hours.  Will CCP reimburse the lost sp?  somehow I think the answer is no, but I can't imagine a valid excuse why not

No, they won't reimburse any SP.

Long-term, this downtime-screw-up might have a positive effect, as now players will push for a skill queue even more.

Also, the server came back online about 20 minutes later, so there was a good window of opportunity to chance the skill train afterwards. At least, that is what their argument will be.

This comes up every time the server falls over, a bunch of people will shout that CCP is stealing their SPs and that they deserve an SP refund, you can search the EvE-O forums for the usual response to that if you can't guess what it is by yourself. Set a long skill and get on with your life, if you didn't manage to do that then you'll lose a day of training at most - not a big deal.

so I'm supposed to stare at evemon or spam logins?

and no, a day of training isn't a huge deal, but it's more the principal.... if you give us a time the server will go down, then stick to it. overshooting a finishing time is one thing, but starting early is just a pissoff...... what ticks me off about it isn't so much the SP as I just feel like ccp is flipping us the bird.

if they'd refund SP i'd at least feel like they were admitting to a mistake, but i don't think they believe they made a mistake, and even worse, i don't think they'd reimburse me even if they thought they had made a mistake

Chillax.  So you gambled on being able to change skills in a certain window (it was only down for 30-40 minutes) and lost a day's training.  So?  Next time you know to change the skill in advance.  This happened last time, too, and will almost certainly happen again.

(I'm assuming you lost skill traning time because that's a whole lot of rage and self-entitlement otherwise.)

 :heartbreak:
didn't mean to come off that way. is it that wrong to get a little ticked  over getting snubbed like this? like i said, it's not the sp that i'm losing, it's that i'm 90% sure that ccp won't reimburse me for them, when i see it as their mistake.... just because it's happened before doesn't make it ok- in fact, it makes it worse, imo. I didn't see it as a gamble at all.... was i really that wrong to take ccp at their word? naive maybe, but not wrong

where's the sense of self-entitlement there?

They didn't start early, the server fell over. Then it came back up 30 minutes or so later as Endie said. They don't owe you anything except a word of apology for the interruption. Not your fault the server fell over but they don't owe you training time as a result.

Medium Energy Turret V
Refining V

even if they don't owe me, i don't see why they shouldn't just do it for a show of good faith.... they had a little mix up, some people lost sp because of it, why not just practice some good customer service? if i had lost a ship because of the server crash, hopefully they would have reimbursed it- don't see why it should be different for SP.

Quit gaying up this thread new guy.

It just is different.

Good customer service in this case is saying 'We're sorry the server fell over, it's back up now and we've fixed whatever broke it so it won't happen again.' They haven't stolen your SPs from you. If you'd checked the forums you'd have found that it was an unexpected failure and not the patch starting early, so you could then have chosen to wait until the server restarted to change your skill if you cared that much about losing a day of training. If you didn't then that isn't their problem.

my bad van damme... please tell us more about the progress of your gal titan V. exactly what percent are you at? how much longer to go?

in all seriousness, despite the flame you get ups for that avatar

IainC- yeah but how is it different? I'm not saying they stole my SP, and when i opened my yap i didn't know that the servers came back up, but why not just do it as a gesture of good faith? what do they lose, and where's the slippery slope?

LoL Legend! You have goonie written all over you man ;)  (Oh I mean that as a compliment hehehe)

Quit askin in here. make a new thread or complain in rookie chat sheesh

New guy, you're annoying.  You've written 7 posts bemoaning the loss of 50 cents worth of playtime, in a gamble that was pretty much your decision.  Like they say on the official forums (which these aren't), you can always rage!quit over it, and can we have your stuff.

Back in my Freelancer days we never reimbursed, neither for our screw-ups, nor for our players' screw-ups.
This policy treated everyone equally and proved the most fair approach.

Having said that, SP loss is a minor inconvenience compared to last year's boot.ini nuke.

meh, pardon me for voicing my opinion and responding to direct replies, i obviously don't have enough posts on my profile to merit defending myself - flame on fellas, i'm out :hulk_rock:

New guy claims that I gayed up this thread with my Gallente Titan V?

He really doesn't know how rich I am I guess. I'm like 'own 3 battleships rich'! Titan is just around the corner!

We've no problem with you voicing your opinion just that your shitting up this thread, I advise to make a new one so we can ignore it. You gonna hull tank your Titan Slay?

My god that would be the greatest mail ever.

Real men honour tank :)

Oh, the irony of being on the receiving end of a cargo-expanded ship loss mail!

Small Artillary Specialization IV  :oh_i_see:

Yeah, I didn't realize they were bringing down the server as early as they did for the patch.

US holiday, hey lets make sure the servers are down :P

By the way, did anyone spot this gem in the patchnotes?

  :grin:

Cultural influence - this one has made some Goons feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Also, the trilions worth of Hulks destroyed at the bottom of the QR trailer.

Heh nice find, someone with a sense of humour writing up patch notes promote him immediately.

There's a US holiday today?

Veteran's Day, most people don't have off work for it.

The one on snakes is pretty good too :

"We unplugged your Snakes so you can sell them for a fraction of their initial price to some noob."

Hah that's good, I been going around thisl week telling pilots to collect the insurance on their Vagas cause they'll be worth less after the patch.

(http://www.ut.ee/~a73440/eve_btc_video08.png)

From the Behind the Scenes video. Eom Apocalypse ship model on the guy's shelf, not available in the EVE Store.

edit: way too many typos for one simple sentence.

Patch Notes (http://www.eve-online.com/news/Patch%20Notes%20for%20Quantum%20Rise.pdf)

Warp scramblers now affect MWDs too? Another notch in the ganker's belt, apparently. That seems WAY too powerful for a 10k isk mod.

I am still re-learning how the game is played, so someone else please explain what else I need to be enraged about, and what changes are for the good  :grin:

It's warp scramblers only - 7.5k range, massive cap drain downsides - and not warp disruptors. Mostly it balances MWDs vs ABs, now both are viable options rather than the MWD being the automatic choice for any PvP ship.

This is what i wrote regarding the changes when someone was talking about whether or not it was too severe. I think it holds true here as well

"Regarding new missile balance? I have no clue, the changes are too many and too large to accurately predict based on sisi testing as to how it will play out and whether or not any single change is too much or too little.

I like that afterburners have more of a place in combat, especially on "defensive" ships such as med range cruisers/frigates. I like that webs are no longer "on/off" switches for speed. I like that speed is now damage reduction rather than damage avoidance. I like that there is more an emphasis on flying your ship and that blaster ships no longer get to sit at 500m and blow things into oblivion. I like that locus rigs finally got fixed. I like that 2 meds can make a competent tackler.

But i don't know whether or not its too much."

Also, IainC, scramblers have the low cap use

Interesting, do bubbles affect MWD too?

At least warp scramblers have some use now.  Before they were just the junior cousin of warp disruptors that no one wanted because they do the same thing with 13k less range.

T1 scram 7.5km T2 scram 9km, for posterity.

Well, they did suck but they were 2 points instead of one, less cap use, and like 12 less CPU use. Nice for that 2nd week frigate noob that was hurting for CPU/Cap after equipping his first MWD!

They were good back when more fit WCS, you could catch stabbed haulers and such.  CCP did nothing with them when WCS got changed and that was the problem.  I am not sure about speeds after the patch, time will tell.

Time to find out if holding onto 3 True Sansha Warp Scramblers since Providence was worth it.  11km range and 3 warp scramble strength.  :awesome_for_real: