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Here's a list so far, from the pages of Sinister:




Seems 6 is the place to be if you want some of that good old fashioned Shadowbane tough talk.

If I were playing, I'd be all over server 14. Fuck PVP Guilds.

Edit: Just for the record, I've never been griefed or touched in a bad place by a pvp guild - I just don't like them. Much like I don't like games that cater to them in any way, shape, or form.

My guild from DAOC recently said that they were planning to move into PvP servers after launch as the home base. If that is the case, I'll be looking for a new guild in WoW shortly because there is absolutely no way I'm playing on a full PvP e-peen server.

Paelos from Lancelot?  Savage Truth guild?  I'm Boarshead from Lance.  I'm not sure a PvP server would bother me, since the allowed PvP areas have limits.  But I will be the first to admit, I do not really understand the dynamics of WoW PvP, since I have only tried it for about 2 days in beta.

Some of those PVP servers sound like a trifecta of asshole.

I'm with schild. 14 sounds damn good.

A good half of those guilds are former SB big houses, im starting to think that game is doomed after seeing how deserted it looks lately.

A. Men.

I tried the PvP server in beta, and hated it. Blizzard insisted that this was not the PvP model that would be implemented in retail.

Well, guess what ... it IS the PvP model that is being shipped in retail, the only difference being that griefer kiddies can now get whiz-bang titles to display to the world what asstards they are, giving them even more incentive to grief.

Whack-a-mole with my friends is fun enough for me to justify a WoW purchase.

Sorry for the dumb question, but what's the difference between the PvP and Normal servers? Does that mean no PvP whatsoever on Normal, or just that it's not open PvP?

EDIT: Sorry, all I had to do was read. Anyways....I dunno, PvP servers seem a heck of a lot more fun. 14 is a good choice. As for server 6, gosh, I'm not defending them or anything, but SB was actually fun when those guilds were playing. Have you seen it lately? Most of the players left now are 10x worse.

I got tired of playing with all those guilds in SB.  Darph - Sin is already making lists and I would prefer whatever guild I'm in to avoid being on his list, quite honestly.  There are several people I am friendly with in some of them, but I'm weary of them as a group.  Server 14 or anything else is fine by me.  I even went on an rp server the other day to avoid the newbie crowds while I tried a new character, but keeping a Shakespeare translator running in the background becaem annoying.

I bumped into Haemcow on server 28 yesterday... he seems like a nice man.

On the PvP server, you can attack any player of the opposite realm (Alliance vs. Horde) outside of a few "safe" zones (typically, the newbie areas).

On the normal servers, you can only attack other players who:
a) are in a designated Battleground zone (not implemented yet)
b) attack a guard or NPC in an enemy area
c) flag themselves for pvp by typing /pvp, or try to help or heal someone who is flagged /pvp

During beta, the PvP server was griefer heaven, especially in places like Hillsbrad where high-level Alliance players had easy access to low-level Horde players. There was no system in place to prevent level 50 players from slaughtering entire teams of level 25-30 players. If a player 20 levels higher than you decided to camp your corpse and kill you each time you respawned, your only options were to use the spirit healer (which had an XP hit) or just log out and wait for the griefer to go bug the shit out of someone else.

There are new systems in place that will supposedly alleviate the griefing, like giving people "bad" points when they kill players significantly lower than them. Of course, this just promotes the behavior, as these doofuses try to see how many "bad" points they can accumulate.

In any case, if you play on the normal server, you don't have to worry about any of that shit unless you want to.

Is there any way to level without going into these areas? If not, then I see a problem.

That was the exact problem ... Horde characters of level 25-30 had pretty much no options for questing besides Hillsbrad.

Test 28 is also pretty much douche bag free as well. So far I've seen about 3 guilds only one of which (Iron Monkeys via DAOC) was formed pre WOW. I also havn't had any problems with being ganked so far but that might be because there are no high levels on the server.

Three types of server, three types of retards. On the PvP servers, we have the wankers who torture insects for fun, and think that killing another player will upset that player to the degree that they get upset when their big brother beats the shit out of them. On the RP servers, we have the wankers who are name nazis, speech nazis and general pedants and thought police. On the regular servers, we have the persecuted, who in absence of the thought police or the bullied thugs feel free to annoy the fuck out of you by singing Survivor lyrics on broadcast chennels.

GEORGE CHENNEL was executed August, 1818 for the atrocious murder of his father and his housekeeper, at Godalming.

I've been to Godalming.  It's creepy.

Someone in the Tauren area announced that PvP guilds from server 6 were moving to 28 because of the lag.  Idiots.  The lag will follow them to server 28... well, actually it's there waiting for them already.  14 sounds better and better, although I'm actually considering moving to a Normal server.  I know PvP brings out the stupid in a lot of people, but WoW PvP brings out the most stupid I've seen yet.

I might enjoy this game with restricted PvP, anyway.  I'm not sure, though.  I do know that I've not been able to maintain much interest in games with no PvP.  Someone... tell me what to do, please.

If you're already into PvP, then you need players, competitive players, sometimes nasty players, to push you into something resembling "fun". Can you really enjoy yet another MMOG if all you had to depend on was the same old, played out game mechanics?

Ah, but the mechanics aren't the same. The combatants might be, but this time we have baseball bats instead of knives. It could be fun!

And just because we like competition doesn't mean we have to like dealing with (or deal with at all, period) "nasty players". Also, we aren't being "pushed" into something "fun", we _want_ to be challenged by fellow human beings. AI scripts are so droll the 2nd time you encounter them.

True ... but only the wankers on the PvP server can have a direct impact on my fun.

The dipwads on the RP and normal servers can just be tuned out. (I recommend that if anyone still believes there is any decency left in human beings, they should /ignore the common chat channels, or your delusions will finally be shattered beyond repair.)

People who advocate against PVP servers are typically people who are not confident enough in life to take chances, develop themselves or interact in any competitive nature. They are in reality the same people who never played sports in highschool, took out that girl they liked to the prom and generaly are introverts who have no extreme emotions whether the emotions be good or bad.

PvP players on the other hand are the same ones who are your managers and boss's in the real world. They are challenging the norm, moving up in life and are generally more well adapted to this harsh cruel realm we call planet Earth. True some are young and immature as shit, but so are half you pseudo-intellectual nerds like Sir Bruce (sorry for the dis, but you are a geek).

Who the hell wants to fight "AI" over and over? Once you learn the mobs and the idealogy behind the programming there really is no challenge.. its not like this is a chess match against Deep Blue.

Take on a real challenge, win some loose a lot ... get off your high-horses and fight for once.


-d

I recognize guilds from all over: my old server from UO to various servers I've played in DAOC.

IMO, established guilds from other games that enter new games never do as well or don't last as long.  It's simply because the interests of the members become divided between old and new and the guild loses its cohesion.

Give it 2-3 months: new power guilds will form established by the dedicated hardcore gamers.

That's funny.



How deep.

I'm going to go ahead and second Righ's insight.

Sigh.

Edit: Smells like eSpirit.

I bow to your giant throbbing cock.

I played Varsity Soccer for my high school from freshman to senior year. I started all 4 years. I was the top scorer the last 2 until a back injury kept me from playing pretty much ever again.

I dated more girls than a catasser like you ever will.

Here's an extreme emotion:

People who take chances, like myself, realize there's nothing "gutsy" about playing on pvp servers. It's all about avoiding cock-knobblers like yourself who have nothing to do but rationalize their position in the online gaming world. Please, the next time you want to make an argument - do a little research about who it is you're assaulting.

P.S. Bruce is more furry than geek. Also, his avatar was his mugshut during an investigation into his moonlighting as a serial killer. A man like that should not be trifled with.

That said, PVP servers suck ass because of people like you and the swine you associate yourself with. Call me when you have pubes.

dun dun dun!

This is completely true in all cases and can never be refuted.

-d

Who wants to fight AI over and over? Well ... um ... for starters, you. Because you cannot get to max level to show off your ooberskillz without progressing through the PvE environment.

You know what ... I would respond further, but unfortunately as I'm reading through your post, I can't stop yawning.

And please ask your fourth grade teacher how to properly spell "lose".

I don't see what the big deal is with the so called community on pvp servers.  There are plenty of guilds on pvp servers who are not made up of asshats, join one of them, turn off general chat so you dont need to listen to crap from the general community, group with your guild and there you go.

You can't even communicate with the enemy so the only shit talking etc will be on forums.

That is what I do Romp. My guild is playing on Test 6. We like a few of the guilds on the horde side, and hope for skilled enemies on the alliance side. We let our actions speak. We dont really allow any shit talking.




ePeen?

I'm sure you didn't mean that, but just in case... What were you thinking?

Tonight I was followed for 10 minutes by 3 players who ran around and jumped over me, continuosly.  The same guy asked me to duel 4 times in a row.  I was spammed to join a guild, over and over.  The loonies were out tonight.  Some things you can't turn off, unfortunately.  For the most part, I'm not especially bothered by that sort of behaviour.  During the week, I generally play days when these guys would be at school annoying girls during recess.  

I probably will end up playing on PvP servers, as it's one more aspect of the game to keep me interested.  I will, however, keep in mind what guilds are playing those servers and it will probably affect my decision.  I became tired of a lot of those guilds in Shadowbane and would much prefer to avoid them.  I don't miss all the arguing.  Of course, it's a completely different sort of game and maybe it'll have a lighter, less depressing atmosphere once sides are chosen.  It's ironic that Sinister and The Regulators have chosen Alliance.

Of course, by the time they actually get the siege stuff in, I'm likely to have moved on to another game, anyway.

PvP server for me and my crew of RL bros.  Simply to grief Night Elf characters.  I'm a bastard.



This is most likely the case for me too Signe.  I pray they get the Battlegrounds in the first patch, or my attention span won't make it past 5 weeks.

Edit: Why am I awakE?

Just so you know, I suggested PvP for Signe only because she's enjoyed it before. I'm not going to analyze what type of person it takes to like PvP or not, other than that some people try to make the best of it and some don't. Even if there are particularly nasty players, it feels just as good to shut them up as it does (for others) to avoid them.

Whether PvP'ers went to prom or work in managerial positions, I don't know. I got kicked out every school I was in, never went to prom, and for the most part, work at home.

I do enjoy PvP, although I kind of suck at it.  It's the element of any game that is the most exciting.  But, above all, I enjoy PvP that isn't made personal by immature and nasty behaviour.  I don't enjoy it when it becomes rift with trash talking exploiters.  Many of the people in the guilds listed above were just that, too.  We spent half our time in SB on boards accusing them while they spent their time either defending their actions, denying provable evidence and spewing the most vile garbage at those who called them on their exploits.  I can't even count how many times I received /tells from people in game insulting me for no reason other than the guild I was in.  It was very much a bother.

Once most people have decided on a server for release, I'm sure I'll end up choosing that server, as will Righ, most likely.  (he's much better at PvP than me!)  Even if things go a bit pear shaped, I have no trouble starting a new character elsewhere.  I should think it won't be such a big deal in this game... SB was very quick to level and start in on the PvP fun, but it had certain elements that made it difficult to move to a new server.  I simply left the game when all the ugly became widespread.  Well, I admit that the technical issues made my departure easier, too.

The normal server ruleset just seems to have all the advantages to me. You still have PvP in the form of town invasions, arena's, duels and battlefields you just don't have the griefing and ambushes when you're not in a PvP stance. Of course I expect the PvP servers to perform their normal function of being the sewer for all the unsavory elements of the player base to lurk within, so I  certainly don't mind their  existence.

Whatever you do. Make sure you're not on the same server as DIE.

In closed beta these guys took grief to a whole new level. I was utterly amazed at just how terrible PvP could be. I have DIE to thank for showing me the light.

I would have never thought a round the clock corpse camp was possible.

I have this feeling that most of us would enjoy a PVP RP server a lot more than either a PVP or a RP server in and ot themselves.  RP would keep the random asshats out and the PVP portion would still keep it interesting.

Exactly. Every server will have PvP, but the normal servers allow you the choice of when you want to PvP.

I'm just too old to deal with the juvenile bullshit that infects the all-PvP servers. The EQ2 concept fits into my temperment much better, it's too bad I didn't like the game mechanics.

Yeah Boars, the same. I didn't know you were on these boards. And yeah, I don't know much about PvP either, but it seems ST is planning on doing a dual PvE and PvP server setup now. So, I'm thinking things may work out.

You just are not speaking my language. It is not as much fun unless there is an element of trash talk. I make it a point not to initiate it, but it is a good test to see who the people worth talking to are.

Don't be silly.  You must know what I mean.  I don't care about the sort of tough talk banter that enemy guilds engage in.  I mean the personal crap that just becomes annoying.  The constant disgusting /tells.  In SB even the talk on the boards got that way and quickly became tiresome.  And if you condone the sort of exploiting that preceeded this sort of behaviour, then we definitely don't belong in the same guild.

My mistake. I thought you were making a more blanketed statement than you were. And I dislike exploiting as well. It ruined many a Diablo duel on battle.net :(

Oh, ok... I forgive you.  You can be in my guild.  You'll have to start at the bottom, though, and carry all my PvP luggage.  ;p

I'm sorry, I couldn't get past the complete douchebag that said the first sentence in your post to get to the real inner asshole in you.

Man, all of you L33Tist uber-guild sheeps should STFU.

When it comes to Blizzard games, seriously fear the Korean Battle.Net min/maxers.

(actually, that should make for an interesting bet)

Definitely. Any indication which server most of them are heading to?

.... the ones in Korea?

I thought they liked playing with us hip Americans.

EDIT: May as well throw this question out there: Horde or Alliance? Have any of you decided yet?

Anyone that validates their self worth by performance in a video game really needs to take a long look in the mirror.   Maybe take some stock in your life and goals.

Then again, nearly everyone here knows that already.

Horde.  It's pretty fun and I've not really had the chance to play these sorts of creatures before.  But, to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind either side if I'm in a decent guild.

There's only one decent guild. Dark Solstice (www.darksolstice.org). Nine out of ten Draives agree.

First post on their board and already waving the epeen.  No thanks.

Yes, I get the sarcasm... I left the beta because most of the banter was like this.  I'm begging you... give me a reason to play this game.  I have so many friends running off to play it, but I just can't get past the rest of the community.

It's fun.  It has a nifty keen /ignore function.  You can turn off general chat.  I'm playing and you know how much you like me.  You can fish for boots.  There are huge, well hung Cowmen... well, that might not appeal to you.

The list goes on and on.

I didn't care for it at first, but I'm willing to give it a chance now. Been jumping around from class to class to get the feel of it, and now I think I'll pay for retail, level a toon, then see how it goes from there.

I still don't think it's really anything new or great, but what it does it does well. Definitely one of the better MMO's right now I think. This and CoH -- But there are a few things I can pick off the top of my head that has me liking this more than CoH -- loot, player killing, crafting, and economy (Of course, some may think that's what would make this worse).

The Warcraft world is a cool setting as well, it's not a grind, it runs great, and afaik, I can solo and quest from 1-60. Good enough to play for a month at least.

Exactly, how many times can you play upgrade-the-loot and get-next-ding game? How many AIs can you kill and still call it fun?

As I said before, if you're going to PvP in WoW, you must do the PvE to level. If you don't enjoy that, there are plenty of other gaming choices out there for you.

Well, this is what gives PvP the potential (notice the word potential) for good replay value.  I enjoy seeing the imaginative ways people employ different skill sets in PvP.  It's the "thinking-outside-of-the-box" that makes it interesting.  The difficulty then lies on the part of the developers to create a PvP environment where there is some incentive to engage in PvP in the first place.

My concern with WoW is that beyond the "grief titles" that there will be little impetus for engaging in PvP beyond just the fact that we can.  

If any of you have experience with PvP in WoW, I'd be interested in hearing what the incentive is for engaging in it beyond just the sheer fun of attacking another player.  Don't get me wrong... fun is enough of a reason on its own.  If there is a system that is both fun and has a goal system built in, I think this makes for a more involving system.

I had a fun time in the EQ race war game.  Maybe I'll try a PvP server tonight.  

Is it as chaotic as DAoC Mordred?  Because that would be...bad.

I haven't seen any PVP on the PVP servers yet, but I'm only 14th. It sounds to me like it'll feel more like DAoC regular servers, except with homeland invasions than Mordred or Shadowbane style PVP.

The PVE isn't bad in this game. The questing is decently fun, though nothing new. Best part about the questing system is being informed of the quest rewards beforehand. Really, the quests are that much different from the EQ2 quests, but EQ2 felt like a grind with quests, and WoW feels much less grindy so far. Even the death penalty doesn't bother me, or won't when they remove the 100% on spirit healers. I'm not sure that I'd want to create mulitple characters in each faction, mainly because I think the repetition would get to me. Creating a horde and an alliance character, though, would probably give me decent playability.

I'm waiting to see if they unfuck the servers before deciding on buying it for myself or not.

I'm with Haemish on this. I like the game a lot more than I expected to. I love doing the quests, it gives me a goal other than grinding levels and the quests tend to give you tours of the zones if you follow them all. I also like the trade skills. I see WoW as a mix of the good parts of UO and EQ. In UO I loved wandering around, hunting, gathering materials for trade skills, stopping and doing trades. I've been a hard core uber guild raider in EQ for the last 4 years and I really like the relaxed pace I can play at in WoW.

Another thing I love about WoW is the handcrafted feel of the zones. Someone finally outdid EQ on this one, IMO. I spent a bunch of time in the Barrens tonight doing quests, finding a hidden oasis, and saw a battle happening between the centaurs and an NPC army with players helping in the fight. Anyone know if this is a triggered event from a quest? It sure looked cool.

I also love how dangerous travel is. I tried to help a friend bring a night elf over to the human lands a few days ago and it reminded me of the old days running from Freeport to Quenos. Does anyone know if there's a gryphon depot along that route so you can go back a bit safer? Speaking of gryphons, I like how they've made you have to find the Gryphon spots in various locations before you can use them. Sort of forced exploring but I like it. I also like how damn fast they fly. Hated horses in DAoC but this isnt bad at all.

And boats. The first time I took a boat I laughed at the red dot on the map thing. Sure it's not as immersive as EQ's boat rides but it's way more fun and a lot less bug prone I'm betting.

I started out prefering Alliance to Horde but a friend talked me into trying an Orc Hunter and I love that character. When that server went down Friday we moved to one that was up and made Tauran Shaman. They look like they will be fun too. Only thing I dont like about the tauran starting area is how spread out it all is. But it fits the race I guess. I can see myself playing a lot of different characters this game rather than focusing on one like I did in EQ.

I'm greatly digging on the quests, and I expect that there's enough there for me to create a character in each of the starting areas (Sucks about the Troll/Orc and Dwarf/Gnome overlaps, otherwise I'd do one of each race) and burn through the quests in a few months.  Soloing the epics for the win.

Speaking of, any guesses as to why the epic creatures are Epic Level 15! instead of just Level 21 or whatever they play as?  Judging from my experience last night, it looks like they play at about 6-7 levels higher.

My favorite noobie/early-mid teen level area was the undead.  I really had a lot of fun with their starting area.  Their quests are well done, plentiful, and had a lot of style.  I'd defintely give them a shot.

I'm with you on this, I plan on playing an Orc Rogue, Tauren warrior and UD Warlock, with the rogue being my main.

Re: Epics, I believe that they just have like 10x the HP of a regular thing of the same level, and do a bit more damage, it doesn't scale like you think.  Epic L15 has way more HP than a L21 normal.

A group would have a MUCH harder time with a mob 7 levels higher due to the miss/resist rates. The elite mobs have the same stats as normal mobs their level, except they have 10x the hit points, and do about 2 to 3 times the damage.

I'm feeling the same, really enjoying the game. No way I could limit myself to only one character, but I've been having so much fun trying them all out, it's going to be hard to narrow it down to a manageable number to play.

Liar, my bro (L20 Hunter) and me (L20 Paladin) had a much much harder time taking down a L22 Elite than we did a L27 normal.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You wish.

I spent an hour trying to get from one continent to the other the other day.  Got on the boat in that town on the mainland near the night elf tree place, trying to get to Ironforge(so my druid could learn the 'mace' skill).  The boat goes out, the map comes up...  10 minutes later, I appear WAY up in the sky over some random zone in Lordaron.  Still on the boat, with the others... only I can't move.  Trying to move would cause a client crash.  If I didn't crash it, I'd soon get the loading screen again, and then I'd be back at the place I left from...

If I did try to move the client crashed.  If I then immediately got back in, I'd be on the boat, as it pulled away from the dock for my desired destination.  The 2nd time that happened, I managed to jump off into the water and swim to shore.

As far as dangerous travel...  I have no idea how many times I died on that run thru the wetlands to creatures so high their level was listed as ??.    It was alot, tho.  Most of my equipment was pretty banged up, prolly in the last 30% or so of durability.  I didn't really find it an enjoyable experience...  Especially given that most classes don't have a way to run any faster, so I had to continue jogging along while some giant lizard chased me, caught me, and ate me.

Alkiera

That's what you get for playing an elf.

God Damn Night Elves are gay.

Fucking night elves.  What a sweet idiot magnet. The idiot ratio in the other races is probably half what it would be without them.


I tried to roll up a night elf rogue while the Pacific servers were down this weekend, but the center of the newbie zone was a big pile of toons stripped 'naked' and macro-repeating the dance emote.  

The goggles did nothing.

Sounds like the Human newbie zone.

I found the least retardery in the Undead newb zone, where mostly it was just people jacking around with their new pets. THOSE THINGS ARE EVERYWHERE. Everyone and their mother is a warlock in that place.

Power to the Horde!

I think it might be fun to put together an all-night elf guild on an RP server, and actively encourage everyone to be as flamboyantly "elvish" as possible.

We could host events like "Elf Eye For The Dwarf Guy", where we take a dwarf and try to liven up his wardrobe with something more faaaaabulous!

And when we fight things, constantly /yell stuff like "Ewww, boar blood on my linens!" and "Pound it! Pound that beast! Harder!"

I'll start working on the guild website right away. But we need a name first.

No.

Oh, come on, Rasix. I know you're dying to try this. Come on out of the elf closet.

(http://www.stormwolfstudios.com/warriorpic01.jpg)

Excellent, Mesozoic! I'll have to make that my avatar.

Omfg. Stop.