f13.net

It's going to be playable.

Feel free to discuss it, but please, no spoilers for the game itself, if the demo/playable has any.

Mechanics, classes, how far along in development, fine.

But no spoilers, not even item sets. Let other sites ruin that shit. Thx!

Uh, would it be ok for them to put it in Spoiler tags?

No, because I won't be able to restrain myself.

No need to call me irrational, I fucking know it.

Well looks like at least one new class is mentioned and it is the wizard. Not a huge suprise I figured they would have a wizard or sorc type class pure magic big boomy character.

somehow i doubt you will be able to keep from looking under the hood tween now and release even w/o spoilers on f13.  Can we start a pool oon when you will crack?

After finding out that Blizzard had as long as they did to come up with classes and they came up with THE WIZARD, my feelings for the game have hit rock bottom.

Fuck them in their uncreative sphincter.

Heh.

B L I Z Z A R D.  Remember?

Never, ever new.  Just better.

I have the inside track on this one gentlemen:

Not funny! okay maybe a little

Also.  Consoles.   :awesome_for_real:

Wait... I haven't been following Diablo 3 because I have nothing but scorn for its gameplay these days. But is it seriously going to be on consoles? REALLY?

My god, I can't wait until the Diablo 3 fans get the game in their grubby little hands and have a collective coronary over its "consolization."

Yes, the deep and complex gameplay of Diablo will be ruined by consoles.

 :awesome_for_real:  :drill:  :why_so_serious:

I would pay real money for Diablo on consoles. It's the most obvious fucking conversion ever and what do we get? Too Fucking Human.

I wouldn't.  You know they would slow it down and add useless bullshit for all the mouth-breathers.  You know it deep in your heart that this is what they would do.

Also: I'm fairly indifferent about the wizard.  I'm kind of interested to see where it fits in the Diablo lore, but altogether I can't really judge it until I can play it, though the name is almost as vanilla as Mage.

The video got me interested, seems they got creative with the magic use rather than just give you several different flavours of blowing people up.

I'm still pissed about the retardification of necromancers. Witchdoctor? REALLY?

The Amazon was just a rehash of the Rogue. That's why Diablo 2 tanked so hard and Blizzard went out of business in the 90's.

There's a new video on wizards out today.  I'm sure it doesn't spoil anything.  Spoiling stuff is good for you, though.  It builds character.  I even found a chart regarding it.

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Once you hear the ring drop sound again and get your first purple drop you'll change your tune :awesome_for_real:

LOL LOL LOL LOFL!

They're releasing Starcraft 2 as three separate games?!?!  Super-duper way to bilk the cash out of the players. 

I'm all like....  :ye_gods:

This doesn't really bother me.  I just wish they would go ahead and release the damn thing already.

SO they found a way to get my money Three times.  :grin:

I happen to be the sole person on the planet that doesn't give a shit about Starcraft.  I played a little bit of the storyline back when it came out, just couldn't get into it.  I'm sure it's a great game... just not for me. 

But damn... three games?  I'm still just like  :uhrr: :ye_gods: :uhrr: :ye_gods:

We have 4 WoW accounts in this house, each with BC and each will get WOTLK too. Blizzard sussed out me and my money a long fucking time ago :/  The only thing that will put me off Diablo 3 is a monthly fee, at least until I'm fit enough to earn some sodding money anyway :p

The scope of Starcraft 2 is so big that each campaign is a seperate product? But they all end the same way?

lol

someone should tell them their single player sucks

(everyone will buy it anyway, i'm not sure who the fools are)

Nope I'm there with you.  RTS games aren't my bag anymore.  I killed myself on Command and Conquer and Dawn of War.

It seems like a Hellgate decision.

Then again, this could decimate Korea's economy and allow Blizzard to buy the country!  :grin:

Ok wait so of I had a one night stand with a former (very) lesbian I could kind of claim sex with like, lesbian to the power of 4?

Absolutely.

Just change some of the trousers to skirts and you're all set.  Reverse that for all of you who have accidentally played Diablow with men who dress up.

I will try to get something written up tonight. Should I put it in But Is It Fun?

Heh. Sure, just PM it to me, you don't have access to making threads there ^_^. NO SPOILERS

Holy shit, the new skill rune system has given me a boner.

Diablo 1 was on the PS1. Maybe not at release, but I have at least 2 friends who played it through on it. I may have as well. I actually don't remember. It also had co-op if I recall correctly.

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Ah well, I don't really give a shit about RTS in general or Starcraft in particular.

Back in the day I played SC1's human campaign until I got to some mission where I had to fight other humans on some kind of floating space platform, but they kept nuking me before I had a chance to do jack shit. That was the end of my SC fun, and also my SC experience. I did spend AU$20 to get the Battle Pack about 6 months ago, since that original copy was a pirated one. I still haven't opened that BP of course, but now I no longer eye them off in the game shops when they're heavily discounted.

Unnecessary bilking of your customers.

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How you do it right.

Of course there are examples of both.

Yea, the 'pay 3x for the one game' thing they've done with Star2 has me puzzled. I realise "episodic content" is the new zoot suit, but honestly, do they really need the money that badly?

Sorry for the Kotaku link. Diablo Shirts Full of  :awesome_for_real: (http://kotaku.com/5062184/behold-the-new-diablo-iii-logo-t+shirt).

Hokay. I may not have anything coherent until Monday, as I am totally tired tonight and have to drive from Anaheim back to the Bay Area tomorrow.

I can give you the TLDR version though: Diablo 3 is totally fucking awesome.  :heart:

What about Virgins?

Their chart is a lot more boring?

 :why_so_serious:  :grin:

More fuel for the angst machine:

lol

Someone failed episodic game design.

Though if we use the game trilogy rule, it means terrans will be playable, and the other episodes will be scrapped.

It's Blizzard!

If he's hinting at a year apart, it could be two years apart each.

As an aside, do I smell the "Annual Franchise" taint of Blizzard's Activision Overlords?

Starcraft 1 was shit anyhow.  Command & Conquer Red Alert was the Win 98 RTS of choice.

Let Blizzard think their success gives them the right to skullfuck their customers.  They will reap what they sow.

That being said I would so wear that Diablo 3 shirt, provided there is something snarky on the back.

Like:

"This is Hell for your average teenage boy or neckbearded manchild."
                                    "COMING XX XXX XXXX"

It doesn't need anything on the back, considering that it's an injoke that you either would definitely get or not know anything about and not find funny beyond maybe the "looniness factor".  Putting that terrible line on the back would detract from it.

wat

AoE2 was better than any in the C&C franchise.

AoE 2 was awesome as all get out, but it was a couple years after them both IIRC. 
(IMHO once the expansion came out it became nearly perfect as far as an RTS can get.  Though I still think RA has a better interface overall.)

It does however make Starcraft's continued popularity look even worse though.

yeaaahhhhhh....

You should really add "In My Opinion" to the front of that totally fucking ludicrous sentence.

And its Korea's opinion that Starcraft is.  Doesn't mean I give a fuck.
The most important (or at least it should be the most important) opinion to me is my own.
And thus Starcraft can go eat a fat dick because its not fun.  The interface is poor, the design is weak, the gameplay is plodding and dull.

You are telling me that the gameplay is plodding and dull in comparison to Command and Conquer?  Are you for real?

The most fun I've had with an RTS was AOE2. I enjoy being able to build up an impenetrable base and playing indefinitely in one game.

Starcraft bored me on the computer, but I played it a ton on the 64 with friends.

You guys are all wrong, the best RTS of the era was Total Annihilation by a longshot.

That said Starcraft was a great game. I'm really not getting the hate at all.

I get it, he is from that opposite world where Vanguard kicked WoW's ass.

I think all the cool kids diss on popular shit. Fo shizzle.

But only the absolute coolest kids point out that the cool kids diss on popular shit.

TA was rubbish multiplayer.

Of course each campaign will come with new units and tweaks that you need for multiplayer. Yes, I'm aware they said they wouldn't do that but of course they will. Expansion comes out, it has new units, obviously people want to play them in multiplayer and obviously you'll need the game for that. It's a stealth subscriber model.

The idea that you need three different games for three different single-player campaigns is just ludicrous. That's more single-player Starcraft than anyone needs and we're talking Starcraft, not Nabokov.

I hate hate hate it when companies are talking trilogies before they even put out the first title. Rarely ends well - counting your chickens before they're hatched and all that. Instead of grand scheme for a breakfast cereal, a card game and a set of bedsheets just make a single good game.

See, I happen to agree with this.  My point is that you can't just say 'This was THE BEST FULLSTOP' without expecting that others, may, you know, have like a totally different opinion dude.

Shoots and Ladders was the best board game ever.  Candyland was a piece of shit.

Oh for fuck's sake. It's Snakes and Ladders. Fucking Americans, can you get nothing right? You don't have to butcher every goddamn thing that comes from England you know, the War of Independance was over long ago.

It is apparent to me that we are by far the better colony. And we were the prison!

You're still the prison.

Also, chutes or snakes, but never shoots.

Shoots and Ladders is some Korn song, no?  Shoots and Ladders.  HAHAHAHA!  I don't know why, but it's killing me! 

Maybe the shooting part?  Make it stop.  We don't want you killed.

Snakes and Ladders doesn't even make sense. Who the fuck would try to slide down a snake?

Fuck you guys.

Diablo 3 bitches!  DIABLO 3.

I'm sure England considers you the best colony as well, because you made the best meat shields for them. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign)   :why_so_serious:

Also, what Goreschach said.  Not our fault we have to keep correcting their bizarness. 

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Anyone else ever get into Myth (The Fallen Lords, not Myst the tedious photo puzzle games)? Was pure small-unit tactics, like Ground Effect, i.e. no base building or unit production, just take a bunch of dwarves, barbarians, spellcasters, bowman etc into a map and try not to let the bloody dwarves kill to many of your own units.

Loved those games, had serious multiplayer potential but nobody I knew at the time liked it and the multiplayer community dwindled to a few diehard Mac users pretty fast.

And would that still count as an RTS or would you call it a different genre entirely or just a subset of RTSs?

TA was <3. And Ground Control's multi was a blast for what it was.

As for D3, I'll talk about it when I'm sure it will be released within the decade.