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Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: tazelbain on September 28, 2008, 09:03:40 PM What do you guys think of 25% tax plus a promise that the guild will make up difference if you come up short for your horse at 20?
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: schild on September 28, 2008, 09:51:20 PM I would start a new thread, but frankly, at this point, I'd agree to a 50% tax, all I'm doing with my money is spending 24 silver every 5 levels to dye my shit. But I also have a tithe.
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Hawkbit on September 28, 2008, 10:39:06 PM What do you guys think of 25% tax plus a promise that the guild will make up difference if you come up short for your horse at 20? I'm cool with 25%. Hell, I'd even be ok with 50%, but there are some items we'll need to buy as we level off the reknown vendors. If you're taking that much money though, leaders better bring some cash for rams/banners/oil and such. (yes, I know schild is buying all that shit anyways whenever we do stuff) It's easier for them to coordinate the decision making anyways. Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rk47 on September 28, 2008, 11:37:01 PM You guys want gold farmers? keekekekekekeke :why_so_serious:
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Falconeer on September 29, 2008, 12:42:55 AM So basically, it's 6 gold per hour just for the name on the map? Is this a bug or a feature?
And do T2 and T4 costs less and more, or it's just 6 gold flat? Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: schild on September 29, 2008, 12:49:23 AM You get more than just your name on it. Apparently whenever you get RP, it counts X times more than normal for the guild itself.
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rk47 on September 29, 2008, 03:25:53 AM ooooh a RP multiplier for the guild levelling itself. Interesting mechanic. But would the keep still be vulnerable right in a zerg server? Or does it have a grace period of a few days where it's not attackable?
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Oz on September 29, 2008, 07:18:11 AM Quote What do you guys think of 25% tax plus a promise that the guild will make up difference if you come up short for your horse at 20? This. Hell i'd be ok with 50% tax if there would be help with getting the mount. I always have plenty of money for my renown gear. Currently the mount is the only thing i forsee needing a huge chunk of money for. Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Falconeer on September 29, 2008, 08:44:38 AM /signed.
Tax me up. Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: trias_e on September 29, 2008, 09:02:48 AM How much of your income comes straight from mobs/player kills anyways? I'd guess a very solid amount comes from quest rewards/selling to vendors.
I'd stick to 25% though as to not annoy the lower levels/outer circle of members. 50% is too high. Tithe doesn't work for me, but if it works for others, people can pump it up past that amount as they see fit. Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Tmon on September 29, 2008, 09:14:23 AM 25% is ok with me
Title: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rattran on September 29, 2008, 09:37:55 AM Tithe works intermittently. Was working fine for me Saturday (5% tax + 20% tithe) and not at all Sunday.
Tax always seems to take its few copper. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Phunked on September 29, 2008, 11:03:41 AM Give me the different for the mount and you can tax me whatever the hell you want. Hell, I might not even need mount money at this rate. Just gotta go own more people in RvR
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: tazelbain on September 29, 2008, 11:09:58 AM I set it to 25% at lunch. Anyway, it least it gives people something to complain about. Since everything else is so perfect.
Other than the mount issue, I don't see any other problem with 25%. My main could afford 25% and still get his mount at 20. We'll work though mounts on a case by case basis. 50% would be too much, but we can revisit it once 95% of guild gets their mains to teir 3. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Ingmar on September 29, 2008, 11:19:02 AM It is really too bad you can't set it to a tiered thing by level.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: schild on September 29, 2008, 11:23:53 AM Update the MOTD to tell people about this and the mount situation.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: tazelbain on September 29, 2008, 11:31:48 AM I did.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: HaemishM on September 29, 2008, 11:44:01 AM Yeah, 25% seems fine to me. Money does not seem to be much of a problem, and the mount is the only thing I can really see needing any help with and I'm not even sure I will need help at all.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Velorath on September 29, 2008, 12:11:04 PM At lv. 16 I already have enough gold to buy a mount plus a couple gold extra. 25% tax is fine with me.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: squirrel on September 29, 2008, 12:21:00 PM I'm ok with it - I have about 12g at level 17 so I should be able to afford a mount. I don't mind 25%, probably won't make a big diff to me anyways.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Ingmar on September 29, 2008, 12:23:20 PM Given that the tax only comes out of looted gold, not sales of dropped loot, it probably won't hurt anyone too much.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Rasix on September 29, 2008, 01:50:17 PM Given that the tax only comes out of looted gold, not sales of dropped loot, it probably won't hurt anyone too much. Depends if your main source of EXP is scenarios. I think I looted a grand total of 3-5 items from level 5-12. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Ingmar on September 29, 2008, 02:07:17 PM That's why you pick up scavenging to loot the bodies as they run back from their ships to fortress. :drill:
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Nonentity on September 29, 2008, 02:24:40 PM Yeah, I'm fine with it.
Here's the info I got from another guild: Quote Here's the info. End-game in Warhammer requires guild finances, primarily for Keep upkeep. Upkeep on a Keep is EXPENSIVE. So, to counteract this guild taxes exist, going directly into the guild vault. Expect guild taxes to go up, and up, and up. Guild taxes only affect your money looted from monsters and RvR corpses - that's it. Quests, auction house sales and merchant sales are NOT taxed. This is where almost all of your money will come from, even with 40, due to repeatable kill quests that yield high gold rewards. To give you some idea, for the past two days my personal contributions to the guild have been 100% of what I have looted (prior to that it was 50% when I figured out loot from monsters means very little to your personal finance). This is set through the "Tithe Rate" option in the rewards tab, basically your "personal" tax rate that you give to the guild. Despite this, I still have 112g and rising, and that's spending a TON of money. I respec'd twice yesterday at 5g per, changed my surname 5 times at 4g per (yes... don't ask), and bought a couple of dyes for 4-8g off the auction house. Since release I've probably spent over 200g on random stuff and my income is beyond stable. Gold in this game means virtually nothing as there are no money sinks. It's very important to build up a strong surplus in the guild bank. The little gold (even at 100%, for example) that you are contributing personally barely contributes to what you have in terms of wealth. However, when you take that and combine it with the contributions of the entire guild it adds up quickly. In this respect, the good of the guild is more important than a very, very small hit to your wealth. This is a guild-orientated game. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: NotoriousGOD on September 29, 2008, 02:27:41 PM Nonentity is dumb.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: tazelbain on September 29, 2008, 02:36:13 PM Nonentity is dumb. He's a pervert also.Maybe 50% is the right answer... Tiered taxing would be sweet. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: NotoriousGOD on September 29, 2008, 02:43:13 PM He's going to keep ignoring me for sure (Nonentity), he thinks if he does I'll just go away.
As regards taxing, set a flat tax of 2g per day per person. That'll show em to be born into servitude. Serfdom. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Nonentity on September 29, 2008, 02:49:56 PM Hi Noto!
Yes, I am a dumb. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Sjofn on September 29, 2008, 03:48:32 PM Give me the different for the mount and you can tax me whatever the hell you want. Hell, I might not even need mount money at this rate. Just gotta go own more people in RvR Pretty much this. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Numtini on September 30, 2008, 07:40:08 AM Joking in guild chat aside, I have no problem with the tax. I was perfectly happy with Shadowclan's 100% socialist economy. As long as I get the things I need, I'm happy. With RVR, I'm not even spending money to look nice, I dye my robes brown hoping I won't attract attention.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Phunked on October 01, 2008, 06:13:56 AM I dyed my IB's chestplate hot pink, hoping that I get some destruction loving.
Highly effective it seems. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rk47 on October 01, 2008, 11:47:33 AM Yes dyes are very very good idea. Keep in mind the colour of the scenario you're fighting in and make sure you either contrast and stand out if you want to be hit alot or try to blend in when you don't want to get aimed at too much. I dyed my Chosen all brown since he's a 2hander and is the sneaky bastard type that pick the less than 50% clothies or medium armour
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: murdoc on October 01, 2008, 01:22:43 PM Really? Colours make THAT big of a difference? I know I've never tried to kill someone because of what colour their armour was dyed. Do you really see an increase in the amount of times you get targetted and attacked based on what dye you used?
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Ingmar on October 01, 2008, 01:31:47 PM I used to get great results by dying myself bright red in DAOC and carrying a small shield around to look like a healer (I was a thane.)
Of course by great results I mean I usually died first, but it was better than getting the healers killed. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: schild on October 01, 2008, 01:32:05 PM I'm playing mostly Tor Anroc, I'm in brown, orange, & red.
I don't get targeted very often. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Numtini on October 01, 2008, 01:38:13 PM Quote Really? Colours make THAT big of a difference? I know I've never tried to kill someone because of what colour their armour was dyed. Do you really see an increase in the amount of times you get targetted and attacked based on what dye you used? Absolutely. I don't think people are targeting me because of a color, they are looking for healers and other squishies and the more I stand out the more likely they are to notice me and attack. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Nebu on October 01, 2008, 02:33:37 PM If history repeats itself, the top reason that people will use dyes will be so that guild groups can differentiate eachother. It makes the game fun and adds to a sense of notoriety.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Goreschach on October 01, 2008, 02:41:54 PM I dye all my healers hot pink or yellow, and then spend 50% of my time(the other 50% being when I hammer my heal hotkeys) jumping up and down like Cookie Monster suffering from ritalin withdrawal.
I can't really explain it, but it basically makes me immortal. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rk47 on October 01, 2008, 08:40:04 PM Really? Colours make THAT big of a difference? I know I've never tried to kill someone because of what colour their armour was dyed. Do you really see an increase in the amount of times you get targetted and attacked based on what dye you used? (http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/r3dknight/camovsgold.jpg) it's not about 'hey look, gold ! Let's kill gold first!' it's more like having less chance of being spotted earlier. Especially in really brown maps like Morkaine. If you wear gold you're definitely gonna be spotted right away. Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: Fordel on October 01, 2008, 11:04:46 PM I've always dyed my armor to match my Guild Colours.
Title: Re: 25% Tax Possibly Incoming - Voice Opinions Here. Post by: rk47 on October 02, 2008, 05:54:39 AM speaking of gold , tax is 25% if you add another 75% tithe you are effectively contributing 100% of your cash drops to the guild. I found that out today while aoe farming. I didn't hear the coin jingle while looting and realize I've contributed 100% of my cash drops to Bat Country.
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