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Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHVJVfAWrCI)

Painful to watch.

haha oh wow tom cruise is a piece of shit

That might have been a decent movie... without Xenu as the protagonist, that is.

At the end, they eliminate Hitler's thetans and they all become clear together! Then the Soviets reach Berlin.  :awesome_for_real:

Why couldn't those movies be made by people that at least have some sort of education.

Why do your hollywood guys always have to rewrite the fucking history just so that your movies are 'better'

Like that giant bear turd Pearl Harbour or the 'We stole the fucking Enigma machine although it were the British but nevermind' movie with fucking Bon Jovi in it.

If you have to make movies about German history at least try to get the facts straight. Oh and not all Germans are pathetic stupid dumbasses or cowards who'd stab you in the back even if you just saved their lives (Spielberg I am looking at you)

Could Hollywood please stop making 'historic' movies. I'd like my historic stuff to be made by people who could actually find my country on a map if push comes to shove.

Now your 'actors' and 'directors' are pissing on one of the few really decent things that have been done by germans during the second world war with that pathetic piece of crap starring Mr. 'I am tiny but have a napoleon complex and nobody has to find out I'm gay so I marry a trophy wife' Tom Cruise.

If you want to see decent movies about that period that actually get their facts straight watch 'Das Boot' or 'Downfall' or the first half of Saving Private Ryan before the movie turns into an 'America Fuck Yeah! British are strange, french are cowards, all germans are murdering bastards even the common foot soldier that just got saved by the decent American country boy' clichefest.

Sorry but the cast and crew of Valkyrie have pissed of nearly everybody while filming in location here in Germany and the trailer alone is a serious crapfest that just makes me wanna choke a puppy (or Douchebag Cruise for preference)

So you are saying Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS isn't historically accurate?

No, that one is spot on.

You know, I hate Tom Cruise too, but that trailer looked interesting to me.

haven't watched it yet, but he DOES get hanged in the end, doesn't he ?  :awesome_for_real:

If so, they should put that at the beginning, then just run a 2-hour loop of it.

Whoops. Looks like he was shot, not hanged.

edit: Now that I have seen the trailer... "unknown hero" wtf ?

The trailer is marketed towards Americans. I didn't know who this dude was, though I did know that some officers tried to kill Hitler with a bomb to stop the war. That's more than your average American knows.

Makes sense, sometimes I forget that Germany is not the center of the universe.

 :awesome_for_real:

Looks highly unoriginal & a film that has the audience trying to connect emotionally with Tom Cruise is asking a lot.

Wait, you mean the rest of you aren't Scientologists?

OH SHIIII-

Hey don't dis Scientology you can learn a lot from Scientology.

wat

I generally enjoy Bryan Singer's movies, but jesus christ, could he at the very least try to get cruise to perform with a fucking accent?  I don't care if it's John-motherfucking-Cleese-style german, you could at least TRY to suspend my disbelief.  I don't care if it's motherfucking Tom Cruise after he mind-melded with the spirit of Marlon Brando, you as a director make your fucking actor try to motherfucking act.

Jesus Christ.

I'd actually pay to watch the movie if everyone would be talking in a faked german accent.  :awesome_for_real:

I'd be more interested in this film if the lead was Pee Wee Herman instead of Tom Cruise.

I sense your theta levels are low, you must send me $3000 I will run a scan and cleanse you of you of evil aliens inhabiting your body.

I feel much safer now.

Wasn't Tom Cruise banned from entering germany anyways, thanks to the government there actually recognizing scientology for the dangerous cult that it is?

I would pay twice the amount to see any movie with John Cleese playing every character in funny accents.

No Cruise isn't banned.

Strange, I thought I remember something to that effect being a "zomg big controversy" when mission:impossible was filming in prague or something.

Prague hasn't been a part of Germany for quite some time now.  :awesome_for_real:

edit: quoting is hard

Which further illustrates that Americans wouldn't have clue 1 about anyone involved with the Hitler assassination plot.  So yes, "Little Known hero"  :grin:

Hell, you're lucky Americans know Germany is a country and not a 'state' of the EU!  :awesome_for_real:

Give it a few more years and those Americans might be inadvertently correct Merusk.

At the risk of seeming defensive, I'd like to state that I know the difference between Prague and Germany, and I do remember seeing some "news reports" on Germans protesting Tom Cruise or some shit while he was filming in eastern europe, and had assumed maybe they were trying to film parts in Germany, since, you know, productions do that from time to time.

Also, as far as I know a good number of people in the US do in fact know that there was a plot involving the assassination of Hitler (though probably not the particulars), especially since FM Rommel was implicated as complicit in the plot by certain parts of the party, and generally speaking, americans at least know something of Rommel thanks to the movie Patton.

They didn't protest him being a Scientologist. The protests were about the film crew trying to film on original locations in Germany. Locations that are so strongly connected to WW2 germany that people didn't want them to be used for some kind of american hollywood fluff piece.

Actually, there was a multitude of attempts, Hitler was like a damn cockroach.

That was just the last one.

The entire time I was watching that trailer I couldn't stop thinking "Maybe I can't hear the accent", then I turned up my laptop speakers. Fuck Cruise and everyone else who didn't put on the accent.

I read that they tried it but it didn't work so he asked them to go for a sort of neutral English without recognizable accents so it wouldn't be a "distraction".


There were some issues that resolved around filming at some historic occasions, especially the one where the main character was shot and also the descendents of this man protested about Tom Cruise being involved. Apparently though they went and saw his work on the set and decided they didn't have a problem with it. My impression was that they feared it was going to be an action/adventure movie rather than a historical drama. Which isn't really that unreasonable for them to think.

Not that this looks like a decent movie or anything, but is the stink about this movie in Germany due to the portrayal of essentially traitors in a positive light?

Are you serious?

No it's because most American historically themed movies are history mangling shitfests and nobody over here wanted a film crew led by Singer and Cruise using actual historic locations in germany to make some kind of entertainment fluff piece about that part of German history.

I mean you should at least try to treat the subject with respect for the actual historic events that happened. The German authorities are very reluctant to allow anybody to film anything about WW2 at the actual historic locations due to their fear of giving projects that just treat Nazi Germany as some sort of plot device or instant villainy legitimacy.

There are a lot of hollywood productions that just use Nazi themed stuff for cheap thrills/laughs etc. Germany takes that part of its history VERY seriously and is very sceptical about any project depicting it. Especially if it's to be done by that director/actor combo. They even nearly refused downfall a film permit because they felt the film treated Hitler as too sympathetic.

Could not type an answer, because I laughed to hard.

What Jeff said.

I read Tigers in the Mud recently, which had a pretty strong bias against people who were working against the country, regardless of political affiliation. Despite having visited Dachau and so on I don't really have a very good feel for how the German government feels about WWII, other than wanting to make sure that its lessons aren't forgotten. Hollywood treats history with irreverence so often I guess it just doesn't even seem like an issue to me when it does so again.

What they said.  I know the stink for me is how fast and loose hollywood plays with history.  The stink most are smelling is probably Tom Cruise's thetan-stench heaped into a flaming pile of shit set within a "historical backdrop".  It looks similar to The Patriot in style but with worse acting.

I watched Lions for Lambs recently, which was decent but every time I saw him I thought of the Scientology video. I think it's stained my perception of him forever.

God, how much I hate that movie.

So has anyone seen this?

I was going to watch the last showing last night, but we were 10 minutes late, and they closed the doors.

Should I bother going to see it later this week?

For me, the movie was mediocre.  It had some interesting moments, and Tom Cruise surprisingly didn't ruin everything, but the overall experience felt like a cable-tv movie with high production values, perhaps something A&E or TNT would make.

I just want to watch the "We have to ... KILL HITLER! <thunderclap>" part over and over and over again. Something about it makes me laugh every fucking time.

I got to see this for free with a friend who works at a theatre... went in with some curiosity but low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. There are no standout performances, no brilliant setpieces, no great writing or bravura filmmaking but... hey, tense direction and cock-eyed attention to detail makes something new out of history to which we know the ending. It's a lot like Thirteen Days (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146309/) in that regard, and I imagine it's just about as questionably accurate to the events it portrays.

Like Thirteen Days, it'll make a nice rental or something to pick up on cable.

I was jazzed that Eddy Izzard had a small part :awesome_for_real: That came as a surprise. Overall, it wasn't as horrible as I suspected it was going to be. Not great either, just...ok.

Tom Cruise sucks ass. 

Kenneth Brannagh is a badass.

Overall this movie is better than advertised here and probably merits the 60% from Rotten Tomatoes.  You must be willing to enact willing suspension of disbelief, but that should be easy for all you Star Wars fans out there. 

While I find the history of the plot and the story interesting, I can't get past Cruise to bring myself to watch it which is a shame. Another reason to dislike the little shit. Fucking scientologists - LRH would be laughing his ass off, if wasn't a dead schizo'.