Title: Hurricane Ike Post by: WayAbvPar on September 12, 2008, 09:50:33 AM It sounds like this is going to be a giant PITA for Galveston/Houston/Port Arthur. I know we have a few Houstonites among us- are you still in town, or have you evacuated? I have literally had nightmares about being in Galveston (which I have never visited) during a hurricane ever since I read Isaac's Storm. Seawall there is 17 feet, and the storm surge may get over 20 feet. Bad times.
More fun- Quote The situation is grim for Port Arthur, Texas, on the Louisiana border. The expected storm surge of 15-20 feet will overtop the city's seawall by six feet, resulting in flooding of the city and a number of major oil refineries. Expect a significant tightening of gas supplies in coming months, due to extensive damage to the oil refineries in the Houston and Port Arthur area. -From here (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1082&tstamp=200809) He also predicts that Ike will be one of the most damaging storms of all time. Yikes. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 12, 2008, 10:36:27 AM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome?
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Merusk on September 12, 2008, 10:37:21 AM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome? It's Thunderdome time. Guy in the office just went around telling everyone Gas is about to jump by the end of the day because of Ike. A bunch of refineries and derricks are closing and apparently someone's out there predicting shortages and $6/ gallon gas by the end of the weekend. Ike is coming, and he's going to fuck us all, but the coast is going to get it the worst. Know you place, bitches! (this is where I'd insert the "Be like Ike" spot from WEBN if I could get to their site @ work.) Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: JWIV on September 12, 2008, 10:39:43 AM Don't worry. God will save us.
http://df1.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=2a84e4f20c988fd1&-session=TheDailyNews:D01B6F84164481663BVxy1AFE376 Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 12, 2008, 10:45:28 AM Eh. The storm tracker didn't seem that bad yesterday.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 12, 2008, 10:50:22 AM http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=27.2&lon=-92.6&zoom=6&type=hyb&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=1&hur.wr=0&hur.cod=1&hur.fx=1&hur.obs=1&fire=0&ft=0&sl=0
So you're telling me that a cat 1/TS is going to fuck up the oil industry? That's just weak. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Merusk on September 12, 2008, 10:50:55 AM Eh. The storm tracker didn't seem that bad yesterday. NOAA still has it listed as a 2. The shallow waters around Galviston and Houston are supposed to be a big chunk why they're telling everyone "Get the fuck out!" Being so shallow will create higher waves and a bigger storm-surge and flooding leading to lots of property damage and death. Then there's the reports that Ike's supposed to hit some warm water on the way in and kick up to a 3, possibly a 4 before he hits land. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 12, 2008, 10:51:29 AM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome? Get gas now, they only need a hint of a reason to jack the price up, regardless of what happens. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 12, 2008, 10:53:44 AM Wunderground has pretty much been right about the last few hurricanes, let's trust them. I've lived through Cat 3s and 4s and do not want to again.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 12, 2008, 10:56:28 AM Don't worry. God will save us. http://df1.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=2a84e4f20c988fd1&-session=TheDailyNews:D01B6F84164481663BVxy1AFE376 Hasn't he heard the joke where God says "I sent a boat and a helicopter, dumbass!" Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Cyrrex on September 12, 2008, 11:00:17 AM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome? Get gas now, they only need a hint of a reason to jack the price up, regardless of what happens. Um, but "getting gas now" will be what actually makes it jump to 6 bucks a gallon. Panic, FTW! Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: FatuousTwat on September 12, 2008, 11:01:41 AM http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=27.2&lon=-92.6&zoom=6&type=hyb&rad=0&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=1&hur.wr=0&hur.cod=1&hur.fx=1&hur.obs=1&fire=0&ft=0&sl=0 So you're telling me that a cat 1/TS is going to fuck up the oil industry? That's just weak. I don't think it actually needs to fuck anything up in order for it to fuck us up. :P Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: WayAbvPar on September 12, 2008, 11:03:48 AM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome? Get gas now, they only need a hint of a reason to jack the price up, regardless of what happens. Um, but "getting gas now" will be what actually makes it jump to 6 bucks a gallon. Panic, FTW! That is for the people at the BACK of the line to worry about :drill: Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Sky on September 12, 2008, 11:10:13 AM Well, Saudis are cutting back production, too. Might not be enough for a real significant impact, but when did that stop wall street from fucking things up?
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: HaemishM on September 12, 2008, 11:18:44 AM Yeah, the price of oil continues to drop, but let there be a hint of refinery trouble and it's ZOMG $20 GAS. Apparently gas went up 13 cents overnight.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: rattran on September 12, 2008, 12:45:39 PM Yesterday I filled up with premium for $3.89, today Unleaded is $3.99
Timing ftw. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 12, 2008, 12:48:25 PM I found a place with Premium for $3.54. In fucking Austin. Winner = Me. Saved myself about $10 driving an extra couple miles.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Evildrider on September 12, 2008, 12:49:44 PM Premium is for suckers! :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Zetleft on September 12, 2008, 12:50:14 PM Here in Corpus i filled up a few days ago while it was 3.59, the citgo stations have already jumped up to 3.99. Got to get a head start on overcharging people trying to evacuate after all :why_so_serious:
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: MisterNoisy on September 12, 2008, 01:02:19 PM Good luck to everyone in the damage path. Hope you guys make it through alright.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Cyrrex on September 12, 2008, 01:27:21 PM Stay safe everyone. We seem to be getting some sympathy rain here in Chicago, but I can't imagine being in the path of one of those suckers.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: fuser on September 12, 2008, 02:59:52 PM skimming the SA thread about the storm 40% of people decided to stay in the area :ye_gods:
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 12, 2008, 03:15:32 PM Don't you shed a tear for the stupid.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Gutboy Barrelhouse on September 12, 2008, 03:42:43 PM I hope that all that are in the path of the storm come out ok, but I will be following this guys story. I personaly think this is Darwin worthy.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-83417 "I've decided not to evacuate," said iReporter Matteu Erchull on Galveston Island. "We have a lot of faith in the seawall, and we have boards on the windows. Most people on the island live on second or third stories, so they don't have to worry about the water so much." However, Erchull started having second thoughts as the sea surged in. "There's a lot of concern, actually, because we were getting all gung-ho about staying here, and just now I've taken all my electronics and [I'm] putting them on top of the refrigerator," he said. "There's water on my door. It's like you're all ready for it until you start to see it yourself. "The window of opportunity for us to leave is still available, and I wouldn't be surprised if I heed that warning in the next hour." Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: fuser on September 12, 2008, 03:50:53 PM CNN (http://cnn.com/) has a great picture up.
If its not there search gettyimages.com for "hurricane ike car" to see a man up to his neck in water trying to save his car.... wtf.. :uhrr: Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Ingmar on September 12, 2008, 03:54:19 PM Even if he does save it, that car will never smell good again.
EDIT: Lots of stupid, in this article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/12/national/a125956D54.DTL&tsp=1 Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Selby on September 12, 2008, 07:47:27 PM The M-I-L is riding it out in SE Houston on the phone as we speak. It's raining like the dickens and windy, but not completely a disaster. Galveston is under water though (as is their beach house).
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Tale on September 12, 2008, 09:03:13 PM Hurricane Ike blogs/Twitter feeds:
- NOAA-NHC staff Twitter feed: http://twitter.com/hurricaneike - War blogger turned Hurricane Ike blogger in Houston: http://www.blogsofwar.com/ - And his Twitter feed: http://twitter.com/johnwlittle - Canadian storm chaser's blog from Galveston: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/498441 - Ike blog on Weather Underground: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html - All Ike-related blog entries on WordPress: http://wordpress.com/tag/hurricane-ike/ - All Ike-related Twitter feeds: http://www.blogsofwar.com/2008/09/10/follow-hurricane-ike-on-twitter/ http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23Ike (edit) - Someone on 2nd floor of a school in Galveston, the 1st floor is flooded: http://twitter.com/peejster69 - A guy on Galveston island http://twitter.com/HenryMelton - Houston TV station KHOU live feed http://www.khou.com/video/?nvid=178826&live=yes&noad=yes - Live feeds from all the local TV stations, together on one page: http://www.maroonspoon.com/wx/ike.html Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Tale on September 12, 2008, 09:58:30 PM Ike vs bear :pedobear: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AKwMiExUKXg
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: K9 on September 13, 2008, 04:07:19 AM Ike from space, from nasa edit: this image is damn huge, so I tucked it behind spoiler tags. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Nebu on September 13, 2008, 08:37:18 AM Take a look at gas prices in the region near Ike. Gas in parts of Arkansas and Georgia went up nearly a dollar per gallon yesterday. Damn money grubbing leaches.
GAS PRICE MAP (http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx) Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: pxib on September 13, 2008, 12:49:23 PM The price of oil is continuing to drop precisely on the assumption that US Gulf Coast refineries are going to be shut down for a week or so. Decrease demand, decrease price... but most of us don't actually USE crude. Gasoline prices are going up because it's not how much gas costs now, it's determined not by how much it cost to buy the gasoline they have now, but how much it's going to cost to refill gas stations' underground tanks. At the moment the Colonial Pipeline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_pipeline) is shut down for inspections, and the refineries at its source are under seawater... so expect gas prices to spike and supply to be tight all the way up the Appalachians.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 13, 2008, 12:58:00 PM I do not even have so much as rain. This is good. Also, gas jumped around me up to about $4.00 and then dropped again by this morning when the hurricane changed path.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Sir T on September 13, 2008, 01:15:14 PM That is one gigantic storm.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: MuffinMan on September 13, 2008, 01:24:17 PM I do not even have so much as rain. This is good. Also, gas jumped around me up to about $4.00 and then dropped again by this morning when the hurricane changed path. It's been raining cats and dogs for the last 24 here in Michigan and gas is $4.30/gal :uhrr: Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 13, 2008, 01:26:23 PM Looks like NASA got their thumb over the lens. Again.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Tale on September 13, 2008, 01:40:36 PM Homeland Security is saying lives have been lost: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/weather/entries/2008/09/13/chertoff_says_u.html
Quote Michael Chertoff, the U.S. secretary of Homeland Security, suggested today that an unknown number of people may have lost their lives to the hurricane, though he didn’t have details as of about 1:30 p.m. Texas time. “We have already heard some initial reports of a few deaths,” Chertoff said. “Obviously one death is more than we want to hear about. But we may learn of other losses in the hours to come, particularly among those people who did not evacuate.” Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Sir T on September 13, 2008, 01:54:31 PM I hope that all that are in the path of the storm come out ok, but I will be following this guys story. I personaly think this is Darwin worthy. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-83417 "I've decided not to evacuate," said iReporter Matteu Erchull on Galveston Island. "We have a lot of faith in the seawall, and we have boards on the windows. Most people on the island live on second or third stories, so they don't have to worry about the water so much." However, Erchull started having second thoughts as the sea surged in. "There's a lot of concern, actually, because we were getting all gung-ho about staying here, and just now I've taken all my electronics and [I'm] putting them on top of the refrigerator," he said. "There's water on my door. It's like you're all ready for it until you start to see it yourself. "The window of opportunity for us to leave is still available, and I wouldn't be surprised if I heed that warning in the next hour." I'm sorry but what kind of a Moron is this guy? Where can I read the blog of what he wrote as all I can see from the link is pictures and comments. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Tale on September 13, 2008, 02:05:19 PM This storm chaser's blog entries are good: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/498441
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: bhodi on September 14, 2008, 07:25:26 PM (http://www.filedump.net/dumped/b5c192f1017ad9e775bef521a0f02551dd17cc481221445426.png)
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Oban on September 14, 2008, 07:59:29 PM Holy shit, I can not stop laughing at the description of Ike.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Furiously on September 14, 2008, 09:12:55 PM Too early or late to talk about impact to oil industry? Or should we do that in the Thuderdome? Can't we just get beyond Thunderdome? Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Hawkbit on September 14, 2008, 11:08:24 PM I've never been anywhere near a hurricane. But damned if Ike's remnants didn't fuck things royally here in Ohio. Four hours of 60-75 mph winds, trees toppled everywhere. Some of them are big freakin trees!! Luckily, nothing broke on my property but I'm picking up a whole bunch of neighboring houses' shingles out of my yard. Nearly all Columbus's schools are closed tomorrow as well. Local news said they've never recorded winds that strong in central Ohio when it wasn't attached to a tornado.
The wife watched a street sign ripped from the ground and go hurtling across the road and I saw a barn ripped to pieces. Infuckingsane. I don't know how people do it that live in prone areas. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: schild on September 14, 2008, 11:19:20 PM Because the other 9 months out of the year in those places are AWESOME. Smart people have homes in Florida and SoCal. The poor folk who think the New Orleans HIPNESS is enough to keep them there are just CRAZY.
And I don't know why anyone would live in Galveston. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Merusk on September 15, 2008, 06:01:39 AM Ike fucked up my house, the bastard. Ripped off some trim & siding and knocked my power out for 6 1/2 hours yesterday. Of course, I was one of the lucky ones as I now have power. 1/3 of Cincinnati is still without power and I, in rural bumfuck Ky, do. Go figure.
Of course, driving in to work the lights were out everywhere UNTIL my building. There's only 2 buildings in this whole 20-building medical office park (Yeah, I don't know why our office is in here either.) that have power. Mine is one of them. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: ClydeJr on September 17, 2008, 12:17:15 PM Oblique aerial photography of Bolivar Peninsula, TX, on September 9, 2008 (top) and September 15, 2008, two days after landfall of Hurricane Ike (bottom). Yellow arrows mark features that appear in each image. In addition to the loss of houses, the evidence of inundation here includes eroded dune face and sand deposited well inland of the shoreline.
(http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/ike/photo-comparisons/images/Ike_PhotoPair_crystal_bch_TX_Loc2LG.jpg) More pictures at http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/ike/photo-comparisons/bolivar.html (http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/ike/photo-comparisons/bolivar.html) Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2008, 05:15:46 PM I'd love to put some sadly-funny work-related shit in here but I'm pretty sure it's confidential info. I can probably only say that Ike has indirectly caused IBM to lose a datacenter contract. Directly, it was their own incompetence. Hope you fuckers are stocked on orange juice.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Ingmar on September 17, 2008, 05:46:26 PM Just change the names to protect the guilty! I love IT fuckup stories.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2008, 07:13:59 PM Eh, well... ... there's this company based in Houston and it outsourced its datacenter support to, uh, HAL. There was some sort of issue last year where the company had to recover its servers and the summary is that HAL fucked it up, taking over a month to do the recovery. This made some people irritable since HAL is being paid a seven-digit sum to maintain this hardware/software. This year, well we had Ike assault Houston and there's not much electrical power there, and for some reason that I cannot ascertain, WE are going to do the recovery. Not HAL, who is paid a large sum to do so and who has a large presence in Austin. I haven't gotten a straight answer from anyone yet.
There was a conference call and what I heard went something like the HAL guy said he waded into the water to get a 8mm tape (one version had him yanking out the tape drive but that seems unrealistic) and a box of 3550 tapes which was later put into U.S. Mail to us. Apparently FedEx and UPS were closed. :oh_i_see: No one is really sure where these tapes are, other than "in Atlanta", but I'm sure they will arrive eventually. Anyway, the HAL guy is saying he really wants to fly to the ATL and handle the recovery. Everyone on the phone, even other HAL people, are like "Hey, shouldn't you be taking care of your family?" and he's all "My wife has the insurance people lined up, it's all taken care of" and the watercooler take on it is that this must be the guy responsible for the recovery from last year as well as this year. He is probably very concerned because he does not actually know what is on the tapes, and when my friend who has been handed this recovery asked what the root password for the image was, the guy said "... uuuhhh...". Verbatim. Whee! Not that it's hard to crack root, but srsly. However this falls out, I expect we will be absorbing the company's IT assets in 2009-2010. Interestingly, they have a SCO server, which means we will too. Please note that this story is entirely fiction. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Cyrrex on September 18, 2008, 05:55:01 AM I like stories that involve HAL fucking up and taking it up the poop chute for it. The partner my company uses, uh, JCN, doesn't need natural disasters in order to royally screw up.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: HaemishM on September 18, 2008, 07:21:57 AM If HAL is the same company I've dealt with for hosting in the past, this entirely fictional story is in no way surprising. I still cannot fathom how people can pay these fuckheads 7-figure contracts to host shit so badly.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 18, 2008, 09:43:18 AM I need to post a followup in light (keke) of new information. I got an answer on why we were doing the recovery. Turns out that this server was the SCO server. Also turns out that all of the other servers were recovered at the DR site in Boulder (I think), as per a contract with HAL. The SCO server was slated to be absorbed into our infrastructure two months from now and someone here has decided to drop the support contract earlier than the move. Then Ike shows up at the right time and hilarity ensues.
Also, and this should be little surprise to anyone involved in DR, the guy who swam for tapes (our guy, turns out) sent us ALL of them. Power was restored last night, however they cannot perform any backups since they don't have any tapes for the library. This story is fiction and I work for Nuka-Cola in this story. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: WayAbvPar on September 18, 2008, 10:28:05 AM So maybe the helicopters landing last week were the data tapes?
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 18, 2008, 11:37:51 AM Ha. No, our stinginess knows no bounds. It's USPS for us.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Grimwell on September 19, 2008, 11:54:32 AM Is it bad that when I heard someone suggest printing out Ike Turner shirts reading "I'm sorry Galveston, it will never happen again, I promise!" I instantly thought of actually going for it on Cafe Press?
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 19, 2008, 12:13:03 PM No, sounds like you're just a level-headed businessman. You should work in finance.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Selby on September 19, 2008, 12:55:48 PM That picture of Bolivar is maybe 1/2 a mile from my mother-in-law's beach house (or rather, where it used to be). They made out just fine without too much damage at the house in SE Houston, but it still was lots of fun with FEMA fucking around again as I've been told.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: hal on September 19, 2008, 06:23:55 PM I had no (as in none) involvement in this despite allusions to the contrary. really it was two other guys named SAM. That is all.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Sir T on September 21, 2008, 10:27:06 AM This is highly irregular, Hal...
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Nazrat on September 22, 2008, 07:34:34 AM We took a good hit in the Beaumont area from Ike. Since I live one county inland from the coast, we didn't evacuate as there was no chance of storm surge making it that far inland.
We lost power for 5 days and survived on my trusty little generator. We had stockpiled more than 6 days of supplies including gasoline for the generator. We were very lucky as we suffered no damage to the our home. However, we lost a lot of our wood fence and one of my metal gates. So, the storm is going to run me my wind storm deductible of $6700 at least. My state agency still has not opened as there are no schools running in the area as I type this. The county courthouse is still closed and they just lifted the boil water notice for Beaumont this weekend. Good news is that the curfew was pushed back to 11pm to 5 am. Two of my employees lived in Bridge City and lost their homes. So, it is tough to feel sorry for yourself when you see the loss of others. Many of my lower paid employees couldn't evacuate because they were out of funds from evacuating for Gustav. Since moving to the area in August of 08, we have been hit or evacuated for 4 named storms: Humberto, Eduard, Gustav and Ike. That gets a little old. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Lantyssa on September 24, 2008, 12:29:13 PM Welcome to Texas!
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on September 29, 2008, 10:54:08 AM Is this where I complain about not having any gasoline?
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Cheddar on October 01, 2008, 08:15:44 AM Is this where I complain about not having any gasoline? Yeah, whats up with that? We have some friends driving up from SC - they called yesterday and told us they would be a day late because they could not find gas. WTF? Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Paelos on October 01, 2008, 09:28:41 AM Atlanta's been cripppled by the gas shortage. People were calling into the news stations and telling people who had gas. Last weekend I sat in a 45 minute line with my carpool buddies because we saw a gas truck pull up to a Walmart and start pumping. Eight other gas stations were out that night.
Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Yegolev on October 03, 2008, 09:17:45 AM I don't know about other areas, but from what I have learned it is a combination of Atlanta's complete lack of mass transit coupled with a EPA ban on non-reformulated gasoline (non-RFG). Basically this area is an environmental hazard and we need special gas, which isn't unusual for cities, but put into that equation the facts that we are in the southeast and everyone drives everywhere, and you end up with a near-total lack of gasoline.
My wife tells me the EPA restrictions were temporarily lifted last week and we are indeed seeing more than 2/3 of stations with fuel now. Title: Re: Hurricane Ike Post by: Zar on October 03, 2008, 09:46:04 AM It doesn't help that gasoline inventories were at an all time low before the one two punch of Gustav and Ike. Our energy infrastructure is in a dangerously precarious position, where one good shock (like a hurricane or two) to the system can seriously disrupt normal activities. A more serious shock (e.g. Iran blockading the Strait of Hormuz) could send this nation into a complete nosedive in a matter of days or weeks. It's rather frightening to contemplate.
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