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I'm a big fan of FX shows (Rescue Me, Always Sunny, Damages)....

But I thought this sucked.  It felt like a low rent, white trash version of everything Sopranos tried to do.

Maybe I am easily amused, but I have actually enjoyed this show.

I've enjoyed it from the beginning, and finally just got caught up to all the episodes I had on my Tivo. I really dig the characters and actors. The guy playing Jax? I swear he would be the perfect Green Arrow.

This show has gotten very good.  I watch it every week now.

I may have to catch up. I have the whole season on my DVR but haven't watched a single one. I totally dig Ron Perlman and I love me some Katey Sagal.

It's a gooden.

Holy Shit.

I don't remember the last time I had a response like that to a television show.

I wish I was more gifted with words.

Because this show is so fucking incredible.

Wow.  I just caught up a bit on Hulu (as much as I could, anyway).  This show is awesome.

The last few episodes are just so much fucking awesome I can't handle it.  How far'd you get?

Hulu keeps only recent episodes, so I've only seen the first two and the last several.  I'll need to Netflix the full season when it's out on DVD so I can see what I missed.

Ya.  I'm torrenting it to take to my parents overseas.  So good.

Pika? I'm pretty sure you can get the whole season on Hulu.

Having just looked, I see they only have 5 episodes on there. What the fuck? They have all 3 seasons of Arrested Development.

I'm sad that I have to wait an undisclosed amount of time for more episodes.

This show is  :heart:

I just watched the whole season off my DVR in 3 days. Great show and a good successor to The Shield of which it is an offspring.

Great cast. Great writing. If you are a fan of Shakespeare at all it operates on another level as well. Love it.

This show rocks. Anyone know when we get some new episodes?  I torrented last season but I'll just DVR the new one :)

Technically wouldn't that be Trailer Park Boys?

New season starts in September.

When I watched the first episode, I thought, man this is just not for me, it's too, too, gritty.  But then I watched the second episode and was hooked.  Yes, it's gritty but it's also some of the finest acting/directing/writing in television.

Looking forward to the second season.

Wooo, more Katey Sagal!

If you like Sons, Green Street Hooligans (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385002/) is a movie starring the main character from Sons as a British soccer football hooligan. Oh and Elijah Woods. It's a good (not great) movie, worth a watch just to see Charlie Hunnam with his native English accent.

I knew he looked familiar from somewhere.

Just started watching this show, damn good so far.

Just watched it all, great.

Season 2 starts in September.

Just saw a promo for the 2nd season for the first time.

OMG OMG OMG OMG HENRY ROLLINS!!!!!

Set your DVRs boys, tonight's the night.

Great opening episode. This show kicks so much ass.

Excellent first episode.

They picked up where they left off. Good.

But they amped up the soundtrack over the voices. Guitar.

Tuesday night this happened to come on the telly and it was the first time I've seen it. Now I want to go back and watch season 1. Both the writing and the acting were very well done.

Minus Rollins but I'm giving him an episode ;)

For a while there, it looked like they were going to sweep Clay's misdeeds under the carpet for a season. But now I like where this is headed.

Most of the episode was good, I didn't like how it ended though.

I love the show but there is just one theme that kind of strikes me as unbelievable.

Just started watching this, but I like that it's so fast-moving that they can open and close multiple mini-plotlines every episode. It's a good fit with the rather huge cast.

This show is SO FUCKING GOOD!!!!

Bad shit happens to feds. HAHA , nice Jax

Lovely episode.

Stupid Hulu and its 1 week delay.   :heartbreak:

This show is awesome.  My roommate has meandered in on the last 3 episodes and now she's hooked, though that leaves me explaining some of the references (though it doesn't seem that hard to pick up without starting from the beginning).

"I'm not the one murderin' women" - that was a big line, delivered so well.

Anyone else tired of them getting their collective 'shit pushed in'?

I'm ready for a son's victory of some sort anyway!


And jesus, Zobel's daughter is fuckin' smoking.

Im kind of curious why all the branch clubs haven't been called in yet? Remember when all the sons got called up in the first season. There was what appeared to be hundreds of people.

Best drama on TV right now. Hands down.

I love me some Man Men, but I've never cried during a Mad Men episode. I, um, got something in my eye during tonight's episode.  Damn dusty room.

That's what we figured.

Doh!

 I blame whiskey.

Best show on TV right now.

A bit of spotty acting, but the show rules.

I do tire of Jax's rolling hardass shoulders.

Hes in an a 1% biker gang, the "strut" isn't out of place. Im wary of how many plates they are spinning, going to be hard to have satisfying resolution without some form of Armageddon.

This week's episode actually provided resolution to a number of plot points; this show never ceases to impress me.

Bah my DVR didn't record it :(

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It was a good un.

The hook they used to get Jax and Clay back on the same page as well as getting some resolution to the Donna death thing was masterful. It shouldn't have worked for me, but it totally did. This is very much the spiritual successor to the Shield - the writers have the same ability to keep you going along even when the preponderance of drama reaches unbelievable proportions.

Finally got to see it.

Great episode.  I'm going to be sad when the season ends

Me thinks we will see some blood tonight.

Hulu finally got last week's episode in.    :drill: :drill: :drill:

I absolutely love that they're starting to tie up dangling plot threads before the season finale episode.  And it's kind of sad that that's a remarkable thing.  (Heroes and Lost, I'm looking at you.)

So hulu put up ep 11 today.  I didn't start watching until season 2, but I've been incredibly impressed with the show thus far.   Episodes 10 and 11 have really raised the bar to a level which I can't really recall seeing in some time.  Probably the closest thing I can think of, that I've watched, would be NYPD Blue.  Maybe M.A.S.H, at least when I was a kid. 

Hell, I'm gonna get cable just so I can see it without having to wait for hulu.  Well, that, and adult swim.

This weeks episode remains  :drill:.

Any word on if we're getting a third season? I would assume so, but I've heard no confirmation anywhere.

It's been getting very good ratings so I can't see it not coming back.

It better or I might have to Ethan Zobel someone.

At least that guy will be getting gang raped by the Aryans in prison.

That finale was like a punch to the cooch.

Pretty much.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?  6 days and counting for me.

Very good finale.  This show better be back next year.

Even if they decided to not bring it back, they'll need to do at least one more episode, consisting entirely of the ATF bitch getting the shit kicked out of her by everyone in the mc that she's personally fucked over.

Season 3 is now official and Sutter signed a 2 year contract so 4th season is likely barring a total collapse in ratings.

Very good interview with Sutter than answers some questions (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/12/sons-of-anarchy-kurt-sutter-season-two.html)

Thanks for the interview link; good read.

Just watched the finale today.

Fucking christ I hate and love this show at the same time. Seasons should not end that way!

When I was watching it, I didn't know it was the season ender. And it didn't feel like the season ended at all, so I was surprised to read that. But it was still excellent.

Bit worried about talk of an excursion to Ireland next season. For a start, Belfast is in Northern Ireland, which is still the UK not Ireland. And Chibs has a strong Scottish accent, not a Northern Irish accent like the other Real IRA, so his involvement with them has never made much sense. It seems like the writers have a romanticised view of the Irish/British situation and not much first-hand knowledge (where first-hand US biker knowledge is their strength), so I'm wary of them straying outside their territory.

I loved the season finale. Glad to know it got renewed, but I'm hoping it doesn't overstay its welcome like the Shield and Rescue Me. I still love(d) both of those shows, but after 5-6 seasons, some of their premises wear thin or stretch believability.

Tuesday Tuesday Tuesday  :awesome_for_real:

Just rewatched last season.  Cannot believe that the Emmys completely snubbed SoA and particularly Katey Segal, who was phenomenal.  There must be some political bs around it - she deserved at least a nomination.

Glad to see this show back. Decent opener overall; a little heavy on the recap, but otherwise solid. The scene at the end was particularly awesome.

I thought it was a good opener.  I was kind of worried that the season would be slow, but the ending showed that the season isn't going to be, and after the episode I was happy in the way they conducted everything.

Definitely just a Redshirt.

Well this season isn't very interesting.....

I like it so far.

Maybe it's just me then.  It just feels very different than the previous seasons and all over the place / unfocused.

I found the last couple of episodes pretty boring.

So far I've enjoyed the season, but I'll agree that it hasn't, thus far, been as good as it was in the past two seasons.

Thanks to those motherfuckers at Fox I can't see this as they are blocking FX off of the Dish Network. Anyone know how quickly episodes make it to iTunes?

It's on Hulu for free, but very delayed.  Episode 2 just went up today.

... and so it goes. They even changed the fucking theme music to "Sons of Anarchy In American-written Fantasy Northern Ireland Theme Park".

I completely lost interest in this show after like two episodes, and I'm not sure why.

2nd episode from the beginning or 2nd episode of the season?

This season. I liked the first 2 seasons.

Yep I'm with you.  Be rest assured it hasn't gotten any better (imho)....

I really liked the last episode.  Agreed that this season is not as good as last, but last season set the bar pretty high.

Well, there should be some really bad things coming down the pipe pretty soon, if they stick to the general outline of Hamlet like the series claims it's following. 

Finally caught up to the current show from this season. Even with the big events of the first episode, I thought it started REALLY slow. They seemed to throw a lot of things in for filler that never went anywhere, like the whole Asian porn star party that got fucked up. But I have liked what they've done in expanding the "universe" with all the Teller in Belfast stuff, and it seems they are finally moving Jax back to realizing what the life is leading to. It's definitely not as good as Season 2, but certainly worth watching.

Here's my biggest problem with this season: Sons of Anarchy's Northern Ireland hasn't existed since the mid-1990s. The IRA declared a lasting ceasefire in July 1997. It ended its armed campaign in July 2005. All weapons under its control were destroyed by September 2005.

Why? Because Northern Ireland became self-governing. Why isn't there a united Ireland? Because Sinn Fein (the party most Irish republicans vote for) has just 26.2% of the vote, compared with 45% for the loyalist/unionist parties (the rest is non-sectarian parties). More people want to be part of the UK.

The "Real IRA" is about 100 mostly ineffective hotheads who disobeyed the IRA leadership. They can't operate as shown in Sons of Anarchy. The leadership group on Sons of Anarchy was like the old IRA days, not today's Real IRA. It was like a continuation of Irish-American glorification of the IRA, applied to the Real IRA. Very dangerous.

Television shows are not accurate depictions of reality. News at 11.

Great finale. I didn't get as bent out of shape with this season as some people seemed to, but I can't see how that finale can't bring those that were disaffected back into the fold.

"I'm gonna let you borrow my hand, and you can jack yourself off with it."

Agreed.

Hulu is really dragging its goddamn feet on this season.  Looks like I get episode 4 next week, with one episode a week after that.

I didn't realise this was the season finale until the last minutes of the show. Well played.
I think I'll try more to not know how many episodes there will be, it adds to my fun.

Whatever weaknesses the series had this season were more than compensated for in the finale.  Simply brilliant.

That was good, but there was something I missed that I'm confused about

Watched the first episode of season four last night with the wife.

Whoever their boom-cam operator is, he needs to move slower.

Thought it was a decent start. Wish they had spent a little time with them in the jail, but walking in on the season closer and walking out on the start worked better than it did in battlestar galactica.

And here they start into the new season at full speed.

I like the new DA, I kind of root for him.

He was great in Deadwood too.

I'm already tired of Tara again. (Shit, did I post in the True Blood thread by accident?  :why_so_serious: ) One scene she's all lovey dovey with Gemma thanking her for how much the club has done, then the next she's back to "WAH I CANT DO THIS!" Bleh. Otherwise the season started good; with the new ADA and all the FBI guys I'm reminded of The Sopranos.

The first ten minutes had Ray McKinnon quoting Nietzsche and Danny Trejo making an appearance. That's good enough for me.

I am loving this season so far.  Much better than the last season.  I am starting to think that the entire point of the last season was just setting up background for this one. 

BTW Does anyone know anything about the ending song for this last episode (think it was episode 3)?  It sounded reminescent of Smashing Pumpkins and fit the scene perfectly. 

I thought the point of last season was to go to Ireland.  I thought it was sort of a confused mess and didn't make a great deal of sense.  I hope this season gets back on track.  Seems headed that way.

Between the usual suspects, the new DA and the cartel they should be able to cook up a nice mess for everybody to get caught up in.

The Hamlet allegories are becoming much more prominent this season. It makes me feel like this will be the last season, or they are at least building towards a finale.

One question though:

I had the exact same reaction.  It's just not ringing true for me.

Possible explanation:

Regarding race in motorcycle clubs, Kurt Sutter wrote on his blog:

Ok, I'll go with that. The only real misstep I think Sutter's gone into with the show has been their picture of Ireland and the IRA being about 2 decades behind the times. It just seemed out of place.

I guess it could make sense but they didn't provide any background for it in the show, so this is completely out of the blue unless you know the history about motorcycle clubs. They have set the club as being pretty racially tolerant for the past few seasons (even in this season) and randomly they have one Latino who is afraid of getting called out as black.  The more I think about it the more ridiculous it seems.  If they wanted to explore that aspect of motorcycle club history they needed to build it in gradually and not just suddenly shoehorn it in.

Thanks :(

Well, I'm giving them until the end of the season for Clay to die a slow horrible death. If he survives this I call bullshit.

No, not the last season. They plan to take it to seven seasons.

Well that's dumb unless they pull some magical storytelling out of their asses.

Other than the stupid Juice racial thing, this season is way improved over last for me.

How many more Shield alums can they fit in?

I like this season a lot, I just don't see how it can end without at least a few (more) major cast members dying/leaving the club.

Daaaaaaaaamn.

I've been recently hooked onto the show, so I've been watching current episodes while playing catchup on the earlier stuff.  But as much as I love it, the way things are going with the new season, I really have to wonder what they'll be doing for another season or two.  The way the momentum is building up, I don't see how many people will be left walking around by the season's end. 

They could always do a pre-quel type thing - going into the past and filling out the storyline.  Although I doubt it will go that direction.

Clay needs to die a slow painful death. But he is not wrong, Gemma certainly loves to build up patsies to kill her husbands. The question that remains is will she use Tig to kill him or will he die of more natural causes (one of the many clubmembers who have reasons to kill him but don't know it yet).

While Tig would be the more interesting choice, Opie is the obvious one.

I'm loving this season but another 3 seasons after this? I have no idea how they are going to pull that off. This season should end with at least 2 or 3 big time deaths, especially Clay's. Depending on how close they pattern this after Hamlet, it would seem Clay's death should trigger Jax's death as well. Gemma made it pretty clear she wants Jax to kill Clay.

If they can make the show make sense to continue to the fifth season, that'll be some seriously good writing. Seven? Miracle.

Well that's one way to get rid of a minor character   :oh_i_see:

If there ever is a movie adaption of Splosion man I know who should play him.  :awesome_for_real:

I had really been hoping they developed Kozic more into the storyline somehow. 

I was too but I don't think they really knew what to do with him.  He had some big parts this season but there wasn't any room for him this season.  Hell they have only just began to fit in Clay's right hand, as he has been pretty much a background character this season while being a major character other seasons.. 

Well that was a complete disappointment...

I dug it but I know I'm in the minority.

I was left feeling that all the cool stuff pretty much happened in the first five minutes.  The majority of the episode was underwhelming.  Everything in the last few episodes looked to be building to all sorts of momentous stuff happening, and instead it just sort of fizzled out to set up the next season.  The reveal early on was pretty good, but otherwise...meh. 

Well, at least the inept way they tried to kill Tara makes sense now.

Not terribly surprised at the reveal in hindsight. The thing I really liked was the juxtaposition between Jax+Tara and JT+Gemma. For that I am even inclined to ignore that the women started to barge in during a club meeting without getting beaten to death.

I liked Potter. A person who hates people and loves humanity is perfect for his job. He needs a spin-off.

I have to admit, I did like those touches.  As to the barging in, one detail I noticed was that Tig was not happy that Tara came in.  There were lots of nice small details in the episode, but I had been hoping for more. 

I have thoughts about why I think the idea behind the reveal was a total cop-out for the fact that they painted themselves in a corner and had no easy way out and still be able to have additional seasons.

However, the way they did the reveal was idiotic.  Not only would the CIA not have announced publicly what was going on among 50+ ordinary cops, they wouldn't have drove there with the undercover cartel member either.  For something that's such a massive secret, there's no telling who of those cops actually have direct or indirect with non-undercover cartel members.  Also, the CIA wouldn't have waited until the very very last minute to stop the Rico raid.   The whole scene was just stupid.

They could have done something interesting still by killing clay, letting Jax leave, the club restructure and find it's footing again and find a good reason that Jax has to come back (something happens to Gemma, etc...).  That would have been a much more interesting route to go then what we were given.

I liked it too.

I especially liked the whys and wherefores of Potter.

I have to say after the awesome build up to the finale, the finale itself was a real letdown. I realize there are 3 more seasons they want to film, but shit, the ending was set up perfectly. Bringing the CIA in felt ham-fisted, especially the way they appeared. It was the ONLY way out of the corner they'd painted themselves into, and totally unexpected, but it felt very deus ex machina. There were a lot of good subtle touches at the end though, especially the scene with the women entering the meeting room. It didn't kill the series for me, but it definitely was a letdown.

Caught up on season 4 all at once.  I did think the finale was a bit of a letdown from a plot perspective, but goddamn do I love the characters.  Looking forward to seeing Jax in charge and kicking ass next season.

Just about ready to throw in the towel on this, and then the latest episode, which had a hilarious cameo.

I'm finally getting to watch this season and my jaw just dropped when I saw the spoilered part. He is insane!

I'm liking the direction they are heading this season, other than the expected death of a certain character.

Having finished the season already, I'm curious who you're referring to.

I think that is natural. At the end of the season I was ready to let them out go down in flames. There is no likeable character anymore (except maybe Chibs).

We don't need likeable characters, just interesting and complex ones.  TV has too much of that. 

Agreed. I don't remember liking anyone on The Shield, for example, but found it compelling to the very end.

There is a difference between being a compelling character and just being a total asshole.

Of course there is, but the only total asshole in SoA is Gemma.

Jax is so totally her son its not even funny.

Or are you only a total asshole if you are not conflicted about it? Even Gemma has been shown to be conflicted and guilty about her being an asshole.

I would disagree. Without Jessie Breaking Bad would be un-watchable after the fourth season. And dexter is completely un-inspiring without anyone likable in the cast. I think Sons of Anarchy straddles that line more between having dickish characters and on the other hand making them likable, if not redeemable in their own way. Though I'll say I can't say I can root for Jax like I used to.

I don't think we're suppose to.  Bobby left (I found him likeable) after Jax basically admitted to him (and himself) that he's exactly like Clay (and presumably that's ok).

I loved this season. Jax really started to come into his own and not only did he become as devious as Clay, he's surpassed him. Keep in mind that this is meant to be a retelling of the Hamlet story. There are NO happy endings coming ever. I am expecting Tara to kill herself in jail next season.

I could see that.

Wish we didn't know they still had two seasons to go though.

New season premieres tonight. Necroing this now so it's easier to find and comment on after the show.

I haven't even seen the last season yet.  Is it still not available on Netflix or Amazon or anyplace?  WTF, FX.

That was pretty crazy.

I think I'm done with this show. Too many shock for the sake of shock moments. Last season had its moments but I ended up being disappointed overall.

Well the season 6 ending was a total wreck

I watched the entire run of this on Netflix (1-5) + downloading season 6.  Fuck this season ending.   I might be done, this show is just really dumb.

You should know how the show ends, and you should have seen the ending of season 6 coming (though maybe not how). This is a modern-day retelling of Hamlet. Spoiler alert - lots of motherfuckers will die.

This show is about how no matter how much Jax wants to change, the life he lives makes it basically impossible.  There is no happy ending possible other than everyone quitting the MC game.

Why does anyone believe anything Gemma says in this show?  

There sure was a lot of torture in this premier.  Felt like I was watching 24, but with a horrendous cover of Bohemian Rhapsody.

I'm caught up through last week's episode and yeah, it's getting ridiculous how anyone listens to Gemma. And Juice is a total and utter moron. The fork bit in the first episode went just a little too far. I'm not sure how anyone can believe Jax these days either, including the club, since he's flat out lied to them before for his own ends and they see him flat out lying to everybody else.

The amount of people that die around the mc is just so ridiculous.  :uhrr:

Yah, they even made a crack about it in the second episode.  "We're running out of room to bury people".  Happy: "I know lots of places."

Not QUITE to hate-watch level on this thing yet but inching closer.

I'm already there.  This is my new True Blood.

Sons of Anarchy Kill Chart (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dc-shhrMPjR1wJR-kCcbPxJyVHu2FyahAywv39eUKHE/edit#gid=0)   :why_so_serious:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.  I don't know that I can take 6 more bloated messes of episodes to see this travesty to the end.

Wife: "Why the hell are they doing this again?"
Me: "I don't know. It'll be over soon."

The plot and character motivations are just a giant mess this season.

The only thing that could conciliate me somewhat after this mess of a season is if we actually see Gemma get killed by her own grandson, but I fear Sutter will find yet another farfetched crappy reason to keep his wifes character alive way past her due date.

And yes I agree, its about time this ends, the watertreading they are doing gets more visible from season to season.

There's no way Gemma survives the show, but I expect most major characters to die in the last few episodes. However, the school shooting last season (or was it two ago?) shows that Sutter doesn't really have a problem showing kids go crazy and Thomas killing Gemma would be pretty epic.

Do you mean Abel? Because Thomas is still a toddler.

The older one, yea.

I have long ago decided that trying to template reality or sense onto this show is a mistake. Every single episode, there is a completely unnecessary car/motorcycle chase at almost the exact same time in each episode. It's Shakespearean/soap opera drama for the testosterone set.

And yes, I'm expecting Abel to try to shoot Gemma, but hate to tell you this... she's going to survive.

Sutter stated early on that SoA was heavily inspired by Shakespeare, particularly Hamlet and Macbeth. I wouldn't be so sure of anyone surviving.

Sutter is so uncreative that he will probably try to pull off a Vic Mackey ending with Gemma.

The latest episode was more of the same as before but it did get me thinking about how Jax basically has no redeeming qualities left and how he now is the antithesis of what he was at the start of series. With some better writing and more emphasis on drama and less on (lethal) violence the basis of the series could actually have been something really great.

Yes, that's exactly my thought as well. My expectations were much higher, until they went to Ireland. Sutter found a way to offtrack a great story, I guess because he wanted to go to Ireland, I don't know.

This could have been a really great series.

The last episode was about the biggest time waste of an episode you could put together. Almost nothing happened until the end and even that was pretty much unnecessary and drawn out. It doesn't help that most of the episodes are now running 90 minutes with commercials (thank you fast forward DVR's!). I still like the show and think overall it was a good series, but it's time to end it. 7 seasons was probably 1-2 too many.

We have been watching this to the 5th season but I don't think I can take this any more it has become less a gangster show and more just a soap opera.

The remaining gangster elements have just gotten absurd: The whole cartel-govt thing, the thing over Pope's daughter, Clayton's reason for being alive, etc.

While the soap opera elements have gotten more pronounced (they were always absurd), half the airtime is now Gemma scheming some drama. Take out the bikes & guns and it's just straight up tele novella plots.

Just feels like there's no overarching plot and they're just writing it season by season, which is why you get whole seasons based on idiotic ideas or twists which then get tied up by season end (chasing a baby around for a whole season). Add to that as Haemish notes, time waste episodes have gotten more frequent.

I think there is a kind of an overarching plot; Jax's journey from being the morally righteous "his father's son" into a ruthless sociopath "in his stepfather's image" and it all probably sounds good in theory. It's the actual writing and actual execution where it really falls flat on its face with stuff like  adding CIA into the show which was stupid but it probably sounded good on some level (a force that the club couldn't fight against which was as ruthless as any criminals forcing Jax to make further compromises).

The arc would have worked a lot better if it had been limited to 5 seasons or so. There was a lot of time wasting, but never so much as there has been this season. It's a shame really, because there's some good acting in this. This season in particular is so full of useless filler and we still have 5 more episodes to go. Ratings according to Wikipedia have almost been cut in half since the premiere.

Why watch when you know the end resolution is going to be shit and the journey is even shittier?  Show's cruising on momentum alone.  

I think the premier really set the tone for how big of a clusterfuck this season was going to be.  It's the Chinese because Gemma said so? The biggest liar on the show? SOUNDS GREAT.

Let's try to concoct some grand scheme where we fight everyone at once and hope that they don't catch on, because any single one of these factions can kill us in a second.  GRAND.

Let's just randomly kill everyone and hope it somehow doesn't bite us in the ass this time!  :thumbs_up:

Yeah, there's not been a lot of logic put into any of this. It's such a shame considering how disturbing the big death was last season. This season it's just seem to try to find reasons to be violent.

This season really has been a fucking mess. Every episode they're pissing off some new faction with whom they were previously cool; I can't even remember why they're fucking with Marx and crew.

I'm just watching it since it's almost over and I'm still secretly hoping for a good Shakespearean tragedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_tragedy) ending.  :why_so_serious:

Given that Sutter's stated inspirations for the show are Hamlet and Macbeth I think that's pretty likely.

Just watched last week's episode. This show just went full retard.  :uhrr:

I am officially just hate watching until the end.

The amount of soap opera mixed with a huge number of people killed once again (including a few for insignificant reasons) in the latest episode was just horrible  :uhrr:

I don't know why I keep expecting something else and only the series ending in a few episodes will keep me watching this.

which means I'm part of the problem why this kind of crap keeps getting made

To be fair, I actually don't think it was all that bad up until the last few episodes. I mean, yes, we did have car/motorcycle chases for no good reason and there was a good bit of unnecessary padding in previous seasons, along with a lot of "this probably shouldn't work but JAX!" stuff, and the whole 3rd season in Ireland was just a wee bit of a stretch. But the drama was at least compelling. Now, though... it's just fucking ridiculous even by the standards of this show's history.

I'm with Haemish; this season has had kind of a shitty start but the rest have been good for what they are.

Well this ep certainly had a full season's quota of man-ass in it.

Was it set to an awful cover song by Katie Segal?

Close. Montage, but not Segal. I wish I was kidding.

Yeah, copious amounts of man-ass. This episode wasn't quite as bad as last week's but the ending was telegraphed a mile away. Like at least 4 or 5 episodes back. It also expected you to believe these biker boys are smarter than any of this entire season would have led you to believe.

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Such ponderous shit.

I thought last night's ep was decent; the best of the season, easily. My only complaint was the stupid musical montage.

What happened?

I haven't seen the last few seasons, and don't really feel the desire to.  I'd rather just live vicariously through you all via this thread  :why_so_serious:

10 minutes of major characters being killed in moments that should have some impact but are totally lame and stupid.
45 minutes of inter-club/gang machinations that are stupid and make no sense.
5 minutes of awkward sex scenes with lots of man ass.
40 minutes of filler.
5 minutes of fairly well-acted stuff buried in all the dreck.

(yes episode was 1 hour 45 minutes like most this season)

Yeah, all the emotional impact of ANYTHING that happened was completely and utterly drained by the billion hours of useless filler that preceded it. The only thing that moved the emotional needle any little bit was


but only because he really didn't deserve it. Everything else? God, just fucking get on with it. There is no good reason any of the episodes this season have needed 90 minutes of running time.

That was not very good. Long and drawn out (not to mention the commercials! Now I remember why I usually download my TV shows...) with too many fucking musical montages ruining good drama. The ending was a total cop out.

Fuck you Kurt Sutter.

The ending was a definite disappointment and lacked any creativity.  The quote at the end was a special fuck you to the whole idea of a Shakespearean tragedy. :oh_i_see:

If Sutter had any balls.

Yeah, that was total, sophmoric, heavy-handed bullshit. He didn't even have the guts to give it a good fuck you ending. Jax makes everything ok with the club then goes out in some idiotic, badly CGI-ed blaze of glory on Michael Chiklis' grill? ... the fuck? I waited 7 seasons for that? And the bread and wine/Jesus martyr bullshit? The homeless chick that apparently was at every major death or something who gives him the blanket? Did anyone else notice her at all ever? I didn't even know she'd been in the show prior to that episode before I read a review.

This is the kind of ending you write in 7th grade and think "AWESOME!!!!" and then you never change the ending even though your entire adult life tells you it's utter wank.

You guys are getting me totally psyched up to watch this.  :awesome_for_real:  My brother-in-law loved it, which means it's terrible.

That is the Shawshank ending.  Worked well in that movie.

For a show that started off with as much promise as this one did in the first season, it ended up being utter shit. I didn't think any season would be worse than the one when they went to Ireland. I was so wrong. This last season was just awful from start to finish.

If I were to recommend any part of this series to anyone, it would be "only watch season 1."

Season 2 is good, in fact I would say the best season of the show.

Catching up now that the final season is on Netflix.


Basically this.   :awesome_for_real:


And this.   :why_so_serious:

I didn't even watch the finale.  It sat on my DVR for months until my wife finally deleted it.

I read a recap.  Yah, I'm glad I didn't watch that.  Sutter is a fucking hack.

The finale was fucking awful, pretentious, self-indulgent, nonsensical shit.

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(edit) I'm glad you all lowered my expectations; I didn't hate it nearly as much as I might have.