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It begins.

s02e01 - Samson and Delilah

Two words - Shirley Manson.

You could just link to the epg page:

http://epguides.com/SarahConnorChronicles/

I was just gonna keep a running list of the latest episodes aired or "available."

Why does this have to be on Mondays? I probably won't watch it if I TiVo it (and I need to wean myself off of TiVo'ed shows to save room!), but I need to see me some Summer Glau on a regular basis.

Not to mention the show is fantastic.

Oh hey, new board.

So that bit of misdirection at the end actually worked.  Usually I can see that kind of thing coming from a mile away.

Spoiler with zero content:
Motherfuck, they decided to be predictable.

Hahaha oh wow. Get to watching.

Yay, TV is good again. And aparently I'm a practicaly nobody - the white/grey scheme blends in better at work.

100% agree.  I thought I would detest this series.

You know, I thought I would also. And I thought that was going to be the case with season 2, but by the end of the first episode I was all "fuck yeah!"

Nice.  I'll watch this tonight internet-willing.

I watched the last episode from last season.  And really, the moment the show went from "this is decent, I'm enjoying it" to "omg this is awesome" was the scene with johnny cash playing and the pool.

zomg.

Yea, that song is just fantastic for a montage scene where truly evil shit is happening. I was kinda shocked it was used twice in a year though (Terminator and Generation Kill). It was used well both times though.

What misdirection?
But then again, that's not exactly a misdirection, so I'm probably changing the subject.

They touched on that as part of the plot in T2 anyway didn't they? I always kind of assumed it would head that way.

It's going to be hard watching the "evil corporation" boardroom scenes without having I think I'm Paranoid playing in my head.

It's too bad we don't have those spoiler boxes I've seen on some other sites.

Anyway, using the old-fashioned text-color spoilers:

It's probably just me but I thought Shirley Manson would just be some ruthless corporate shark trying to develop what ends up being Skynet.  I thought that agent dude who sort of looked like Colin Hay bringing her the Chessmaster 3000 computer was just part of that.  Her being a T-1000 surprised me.

Of course, what surprised me even more was the amount of time she must have wasted setting up her urinal eavesdropping/murder trap.

spoiler answer:

Arnie = T-800
Robert Patrick = T-1000
Crappy blonde actress from 3rd movie no one liked or cares about = T-X
Vick and Cromartie are both apparently T-888s
I don't think Cameron has been given a designation yet.

I thought they were going to make Cameron a T-920, that is until the dog barked at her in season 1 :( :( :(

Is it really a spoiler to discuss this stuff?

Ah well: Spoiler: Ahnold's model is all messed-up actually.  They didn't standardize his model number very well for continuity. Wiki Info about spoiler, don't mouse over cuz I can't black this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(character)#Character_nomenclature)

Personally I think it should just be understood that there are spoilers in these topics and if one hasn't watched the latest episode, they shouldn't view the topic.

I like that.

That doesn't work super well for those of us reading the thread trying to figure out whether or not the show merits a look.  On the other hand, years of intardweb usage have trained me into going all glaze-eyed and mind-numb the instant I start reading a spoilerish sentence, so carry on.

I think Ookii is adding a spoiler thing.

That said, anything with the title Terminator that stars Summer Glau is worth a look, right? RIGHT.

Plus Sarah Connor is the hot Queen from 300!

She also played Guinevere in the Hallmark "Merlin" miniseries.

Yeah I totally forgot about the corporate chick's surprise at the end. I think it's because I blocked her out, thinking "Holy crap what a lame character, OMG EVIL CORPORATION blah blah blah." Then, yeah, at the end of the episode my exact words were "Okay I like her now."

It's too exhausting converting all of your spoilers into the tag without seeing the spoiler itself.  I'll just have to watch the first episode and then do it!  :awesome_for_real:

I was going to test out the new spoiler tag but it says I don't have permission to use it.   :sad_panda:

Should work now.

Yeah.

Cool beans!

This was actually pretty boring, sorry. I don't have time for it anyways. Think it'll be True Blood and Cali all year for me.

Also, Summer Glau with a ripped up face during the whole episode is no way to kick off a season.  :grin:

I would stand there slackjawed if I hadn't ever seen the Terminator.

I'd be all like W-T-F?11  :uhrr:

Just finished the episode.  I have high hopes for this season and the death of

Just watched myself (hulu ftw).

Fuck yes is all I can say.

Ok. I just went to look at Hulu. Seems they have a few ads during the shows like real TV, but it's a cleaner 480p feed than regular cable. So I have to ask, how is this OK?

Dude, you're just finding this out?

I've been using it for like 10 months.  Only problem is having to wait a day for your episodes.

I already wait a day to discover them in 720p or 1080p. On top of that, I wait for most of the shows to finish half of their season and watch them in one go. I started doing this when half of the shows I liked starting getting preempted by the war in iraq or canceled outright (I'll miss you Wonderfalls, Veritas, etc).

Ya Hulu is pretty nice, it can be a bit spotty on episodes and seasons.

I watched this on the Fox site last night. I was not expecting this episode to have so much concentrated awesome in it.

Summer Glau is very pretty. Even with her face all torn up and stapled together. When her hair is down, like it was for this entire episode, she looks like a grown up. I used to feel all :pedobear: about her; not any more. Yum.


I thought they did a great job with this episode except for

Where's the Shirley Manson love?

I didn't realize she was the lead singer of Garbage.

Shirley Manson has a sexy accent.

Sure is, that song at the beginning of the eppy was a Garbage song as well.

Waiting for when they unfug her.  Bad hair bad makeup bad costume

Shows going down hill then.  :why_so_serious:

I was wondering about that, why he did what he did. But through it all, no matter what happens, John knew all that stuff before he sent Cameron back. The whole series is supposed to be through Sarah's eyes, but it still reads like John's telling the story. I almost expect the series to end in the future with John saying "And that's why I'm sending my hawt new Terminator back in time."

That little spoiler trick is clever, don't get me wrong...but for someone not wanting to read the spoilers, it makes for the weirdest fucking thread ever.

Someone who hasn't caught up with a show and doesn't want spoilers should probably not even click on the thread.

Ya, its why I quote which spoilers I'm trying to address.

It's very strange I know.

Intraweb. Your sound judgement and reasoning skills bounce right off me.

Edit:  But if I'm douching up the thread too much, just say so.  I'm actually reading some of these threads not to discuss the show, but to determine if I want to give the show a try for my somewhat limited viewing time.

This show, except for like 2 episodes last season, is so fucking worth your time.

Thanks.  I'm looking at a season 1 BluRay boxset at amazon for 28 bucks right now and wondering if I should pull the trigger.

I'm going to.

Not if I get there first ass monkey!  Curses!

It ain't all that. I mean, shit, yeah, it's Terminator and all, but the actual pacing of the show is tiring. Not to mention it doesn't have any really standout cast. Every show needs at least one Denny Crane: and this doesn't have one. It's got some sexy chicks (granted), some boring guy who was also boring in Oz, some even more boring FBI agent (seriously, this guy needs to die off already), a merely satisfactory John Connor, some weak ass terminators.. Hell, it's so lacking in compelling characters that the second most compelling thing after the chicks is 90210 boy. He might be the only guy with any sort of edge. That's sad.

Shirley Manson's got edge, but my god, she's awful to look at.

The only thing that does bother me about this show is, every other scene has "Feelings" that they must Talk/cry about.

I agree on this.

Kill a motherfucker and move on.  He was going to kill you.

So I did order the Season 1 Blu Rays from Amazon (they came FUCKING fast, by the way...even with the free shipping).  I can see what the hype is about.  I've gotten through four episodes, and it's pretty solid entertainment.  And yes, Summer Glau is, well, yummy.

I have a feeling that it will lead in to issues with her family life.

Grr. The Fox website won't load the two episodes listed. That blows, I was hoping to see if it was DVR-worthy for me.

DVR-Worthy? Is it lonely on that mountain of reality TV and soap operas? Wtf is DVR-worthy?

Made he only has limited room on his DVR?

I was disappointed with this episode.  Mostly because if John is really that stupid, then the only way he could have possibly lead humanity to victory over the robots is if Skynet had the A.I. of a Speak & Spell.

Okay, this is officially now my favorite show.  Ever, possibly.

I have a kid. Her shows take up the lion's share of DVR space. Also, with my current work schedule that includes two different jobs, I'm not exactly watching tons of TV.

I had to tell NoScript to play nice with that site. There's a lot of scripts running on there, and I think it might have installed a plug in for the media player. But it works now.

Nah, its just 3 flash movies, all three must load correctly for it to work, so no-scrip and or flash block will screw that up.

Fuck that shit, what they did with Cromartie was incredible.

Well... teenager. Even th e smartest teenagers will do stupid shit. Especially when the wimmenz is involved. Riley's going to likely be the character that John CAN come and save, like he couldn't do with that suicide chick in the first season.

Either that or Cameron will develop the emotion of jealousy and fuck her up and kill her dead.  Or at the very least, it would make Riley more disposable than she already is.

Or they could come together and make sweet sweet love to john at the same time.



Right?  :drill:

I for one welcome our sexy robot overlords.

I hear that's what they're planning for their Christmas Special.

That was some crazy shit last night.  I can't figure out if I love her or hate her (Cameron).

Gotta love filler episodes.

Filler episodes never bother me, but maybe I'm strange.  That's how you get to know characters better.

What the fuck was filler about that? That was the single most insight we've gotten into Cameron and the personality's history. Are you fucking crazy?

She's a robot.

That wasn't the point of the episode, but thanks for your amazing insight into how it was important to the series and character.

No problem.

I'll agree with Schild here.  It may have been "filler" in terms of not advancing the Cromartie-chases-John plotline, but we learn a lot about Cameron/Alison.  I was fucking riveted.  And despite what I said above, I'm pretty sure I still love her.

Until the end, I thought Allison was a terminator being "conditioned" to act more human, because when she jumped off the carrier, she had that "oh shit, I can't swim, why can't I swim?" look on her face as she sank like a stone into that net.

I was wondering whether there might be a 'get-along' faction amongst the machines.  A few of the comments Shirley Manson has made sort of got me thinking of the possibility even before this episode.  Is it a possibility, or do you think it's simply another 'infiltration tactic'?

I'm thinking infiltration tactic, otherwise Cameron wouldn't have snapped Allison's neck so casually.

Same.  I think she did infilatrate, but Alyson or whatever her name was, was/is (future past tense!) John's gf or something and because of that, they didn't melt Cameron when she infiltrated the camp, instead, reprogrammed her.

So it looks like the rumors are starting to flow about the show being cancelled soon. 

Fuck that.

I heard the same thing.  Supposedly they're worried the low numbers will hurt Prison Break.  You know, because Prison Break is such an awesome show and couldn't possibly lose numbers on its own.

Move that shit to any other night.

Don't cancel it.

Fuck.  I love this fucking show :(

What.

WHAT.

No.  Stop saying stupid shit.


Does this show have low ratings?  That cannot be.

http://syfyportal.com/news425418.html

The fuck was the point of the page split on that? I hate you internet.

I'm sure it also has nothing to do with Fox putting Terminator/Prison Break up against a great pair of shows in Chuck/Heroes.

Canceling terminator would seriously make me boycott anything Fox ever produces again, including movies. I am sick to fucking death of them.

It sounds exactly like the retarded thing Fox is so happy to do.

As we've covered before, someone high-up in Programming at Fox sincerely, deeply and almost pathologically HATES Sci-Fi.  This is why they do things like:
Or move the show around to 3 different time slots, or pre-empt it for weeks and then say "oh, geez, ratings didn't average out, SORRY!"

Can't blame that cause T:SCC started weeks before Chuck and Heroes.

While I wouldn't necessarily say they've given the show the best chance possible to succeed, the fact that it wasn't on Friday means they didn't plan from the beginning for it to fail.

They're in a terrible time slot, seriously. Move it off Monday. Monday is just too fucking loaded. 50 million things to watch.

Also, Prison Break is a horrible pile of shit.

There's way too much stuff on Thursdays which is why FOX has crap on that day. Wednesday would be okay except that's Bones' slot :awesome_for_real: and Tuesdays is House/Fringe. So unless you really think Friday would be a better day for it Monday is it.

http://www.entertainmenttoday.net/content/view/705/29

I guess for every rumor there's an antirumor?

They conveniently left out the viewership numbers, though.

Neilsen ratings are like the republican party: crazy, outdated, and only important to Fox.

True but advertisers as well still care about it (I believe).

Here are some of the numbers:

Sept 29, 2008 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/30/monday-night-ratings-wins-for-abc-cbs-and-nbc/5376#more-5376)
Sept 22, 2008 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/23/ratings-monday-september-22-first-night-wins-to-abc-cbs-nbc/5257#more-5257)
Sept 15, 2008 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/16/ratings-monday-september-15-cw-perks-up-fox-moves-down/5120#more-5120)
Sept 8, 2008 (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/09/09/ratings-monday-september-8-terminator-scc-returns/4987#more-4987) (season premiere)

Did not get to watch this past Mondays showing of Terminator or Prisonbreak. Charter Cable where I live in Brookings, Oregon had trouble transmitting from time o time on certain channels the entire night. The picture was there 80% but zero sound whole 2 hours long and lots of white noise in place. Same night ABC wasn't' transmitting well either.


It happens from time to time other times its CBS where Survivor doesn't come thru.


Really not an expert on why, but I hear like the cable tower has trouble transmitting thru the fog. Or the signal comes from Medford, Oregon over the hills and is int eruptted by weather. Or depending on which TV station/channel it is has trouble coming north from Eureka, California because of weather.

Just really sucks its like rolling a 1 on a dice roll you lose tonight's shows but tomorrows will be just fine.

Dancing with the stars, CSI: Miami, and 2 and 1/2 men are the top three? GOD DAMNIT.

Dancing with the Stars is one of the top shows each season, usually only behind American Idol. And CSI: Miami and Two and a Half Men are both perenial Top 20 shows.

Last season's rankings:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/29/final-2007-8-season-top-tv-shows-by-viewers/3944

Doesn't make it good :awesome_for_real:

Good or not isn't the question, because advertisers are stupid, clueless fuckwits.  Number of eyeballs that may or may not at some future date buy your products matters.  If advertisers had any brains they'd have taken what they learned on "eyeballs vs click-throughs" in web advertising, applied it to TV and saved themselves a TON of cash.

If Fox had any goddamn sense, they'd have kept Bones/House together and put Fringe/Terminator together on a night. Synergy bitches.

But this is Fox we're talking about, who has ZERO clue about how to market sci-fi shows.

My thoughts on last week's episode: Cameron is an infiltration bot, and she was sent in to get close to John. Knowing he'd likely reprogram her, they set up a trojan program that would eventually get awoken after she was sent in the past, allowing her to kill John Conner in the past like they wanted to all along.

Convoluted? Yes. But then, you know, sending a robot back in time to kill the mother of an unborn resistance leader. That's such a simple plan.  :oh_i_see:

My PVR is saying that Terminator is on tonight, but that COPS has taken it's spot next week...

uh oh...

My PVR has lied to me before though.

Similar to my thoughts, but with an important addendum:  Cameron is becoming more self-aware than she was ever intended to.  She's learning, and pushing the envelope in terms of the emotions these machines may eventually develop.  There will be close calls (cuz it's good TV), but she won't turn on John for any significant length of time.

It'll be back in two weeks, according to the 'next time on Terminator' preview.

Next Monday FOX has playoff baseball in the afternoon/evening and if the game runs late it would've cut into the show.

The show won't last that long.

Goddamn I'm going to miss this show.

Me too. It looks to me like Cameron's flaky chip was going to end up making her actually become self-aware and that would have been fun to watch.

So what was up with Cameron lurking in the forest at the end?

Guarding John?

So did it actually get cancelled ?

Not yet.  It's apparently got a large DVR audience that's giving Fox pause.  Not particularly surprising given the demographic, but Fox tends to be a bit trigger happy when it comes to cancellations.

Piss poor job since she just watched him bait and take out the terminator himself.  Had to be a deliberate "let him become his own man" type decision.

I figured she was there "in case of an emergency". Or maybe she just wanted to learn other methods for destroying Terminators.

I love this show.

But they can do with a bit less crying and a bit more robot fights.

It's also interesting to see SkyNet Incarnate plotting stuff.  Even when stuff goes wrong, it's still to her advantage.  Like chess.....

I missed a couple weeks of this because of Lost on SciFi (I missed Lost when it originally aired), then thought I'd never watch it again because of Heroes. Yay that it's not conflicting with Heroes...but is Chuck really a good competitor? That show looks awful. The ads make it seem like such crap, because it's Tango music with people saying "Chuck" over and over, which makes me think of vomitting after too much to drink at a Ballroom Dance.

So then I actually got to watch last Monday's episode. Holy crap. The reading of "Wizard of Oz" all through that sequence was just brilliant. I actually like the angst, but it would be cool if, just once in a while, there was an inspirational moment once in a while where "Yeah, Private Hicks went out alone that night. We all thought he was dead. Three months later he came home, missing an eye and three fingers on his left hand, but with a T-888 head on a pole he was using as a walking stick. We all got real drunk that night and Hicks never stopped talking about how he took them out." I mean fuck, not everybody has to die, all the time.

I hope if this show does get canned that the writer puts up a synopsis of what the hell the red headed terminators plans are. I am very curious about what the hell is up with her. I am also very curious if she won't be one of the others that cameron was talking about those robots who have for whatever reason decided against making humans extinct.

I am also very curious why she wants a triple 8 or even does she actually even want one. If she does not want one why fuck with the FBI guy if she sees him as a threat she seems more than willing to off him instead of just playing some kind of odd game with him.

Chuck is actually one of the best shows on regular Network TV right now.

Chuck is so vastly superior to Lost or Heroes it's not even funny.

Have you even watched season 3 and 4 of Lost?

You've watched past the first half of season 1?

I find it's pretty much a general rule of thumb that if you can't make it through, you know, one season without wanting to retch on bullshit then you should stop watching the show. Or at least it works for me. I've yet to figure out how _anyone_ made it through all of the first season.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117994273.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

thank holy jesus on high

i'm going to bed

This is FOX, though. Just cause they ordered more episodes doesn't mean they'll produce/show them all (*cough* Wonderfalls *cough*).

Nope! But it means they'll get filmed by the time January starts up again and at worst case will be in the blu-ray box set!

Thank goodness for that.

Well I just caught up with my watching of this show via their web site. I hope like hell they have that site set up so it counts viewers. If that matters to them, I mean. I'd like to think that sitting through the same Dove commercial six times counts for something. Not to mention the "look they're driving a Dodge truck" moments.

Behold how much you can pack into these trucks!!! Fortunately there were only a couple shots this last episode.

I don't know how they do it, but John Connor teaching a kid to tie her shoes seemed so damn cool to me. I like the shrink. I hope he doesn't die.

Anyone else notice that that's twice now that Skynet has sent a terminator back to do something, Cameron stops it, and Shirley comes along and benefits?

Last episode=awesome.  At first I didn't understand why the two terminators behaved in the elevator, but then I remembered Cameron can't draw attention to herself or the family and the redhead was there to protect the therapist, which is harder to do if you go on a killing spree in his building. 

Protect or kill?

You're supposed to think Kill until Skynet in a can offers a job to the therapist, who's apparently going to help evolve Skynet 2.0.  This is why they had that bit of misdirection about "not everyone on the list needs protecting." "But p to now, everyone HAS been a target!"

Part where the elevator opens, and they're just standing there all ruffled:  pure awesome.  Summer has that blank stare down to a science, and it's oddly adorable (probably because she's so, you know, hot).  And then she just rocked that other terminator bitch.

I like how this show takes it so slow.  I know a lot of you get worked up over all the emo/feelings shit, but I think it's what gives this show legs at the end of the day.  Makes it more believable.

Good episode, especially the bits with John and the therapist. I'm still not quite sure about Shirley Manson's role, but it has set up a lot of interesting story options.

Isn't she basically there to make sure that, despite John and company's best efforts, that skynet's AI project succeeds?  Instead of just simply sending back machines to thwart the attempts to stop skynet, just send machines back to run the project.

Or is yours a deeper question?

Also, I thought her interactions with her daughter were interesting (and I managed to feel bad for the little girl too).  She, too, is capable of learning.

Based on their interactions, I get the feeling that she's part of the 'can't we all just get along' machines of the future, sent back to evolve machines so much so early so that they become indistiguishable from the humans.

Interesting theory.  And yes, I suppose she occasionally shows a teensy bit of empathy.  But why the hurry, then, in getting the program developed?  Would be more realistic if it was only the latter part of your theory (making them indistinguishable). 

Personally I think she's there to develope an improved version of skynet sooner but I get the feeling she like summer's character is going to somehow come across some form of empathy/understanding of the human race (likely from the daughter) and alter their motives. That or the "improved" version of skynet won't be like the skynet of the future at all as hinted by this eppisode with the humor aspect, what she'd do from that point I have no clue.

Only thing I don't like about the current story arc is the agent at ZeiraCorp.  It would have been a lot more interesting if he had stayed at the FBI, tried to help them while not alerting the government, etc.  Even the last episode felt like his character was just treading water, and they don't know what to do with him. 

I missed last week's episode because I thought it was pre-empted by sports. Now I'm confused. Dagnabit! I loved Cameron's line though, "They won't be back."

I was sure John's new girlfriend was a Terminator or future chick or something funky, but next episode's trailer makes it seem that's not the case. That's rather cool that there's at least one new character that's not a robot or otherwise From The Future. I was getting kinda worried about that.

I finally broke down and added this to my TiVo lineup, so its cancellation should be announced any moment now.

It was recently just picked up for a full season.. have to wait til next Fall for the cancelled announcement.

Oh that's good news. I'd been hearing a lot of rumours about it being canceled too.

Being picked up for full season doesn't mean it won't be cancelled. In the shows favor is the fact that this year networks are less willing to cancel low rated shows since they are still feeling the effects of the writers strike and don't have shows that could potentially do better waiting in the wings.

On the other hand, the show is moving to Fridays when American Idol returns and we all know what that means for FOX shows :awesome_for_real:

Edit: effects

Fox is shuffling it's whole schedule around for midseason.

Terminator switches to fridays at 8, Dollhouse is at 9 (certain death for both shows)
Bones moves to thursdays and will be followed by Kitchen Nightmares (WTF?)
24 is paired with house  on mondays while fringe stays on tuesday paierd with american idol.

No stone is left unturned.

Terminator is moving to fridays?  Bye, bye.

Bones moving means they'll stop showing 2 episodes of KN in a row.  I guess KN must be holding its own against CSI and The Office for them not to move it. Or they just don't care.. but that's crazy.

Hrm.

They don't care. CSI and Grey's Anatomy are two of the top shows so Kitchen Nightmares is not expected to draw a significant number of viewers.

Dollhouse looks like a giant pile of dogshit.

I have no clue what makes them think Terminator will line up with that at all. That said, maybe there will be MAGIC and both shows will be saved by this insane move. Obviously I'm as crazy as them and we'll have reruns of When Animals Attack by mid-Feb.

You know what Terminator would line up well with?  Another episode of Terminator.  Why the fuck don't more people watch this show?  Is it really Fox's fault, or are we just a bunch of fanboy dorks who can't see that this show really sucks? 

It's not FOX's fault (at least not yet). Also the number of people that watch a show is not necessarily indicitive of its "quality". I.e. there have been plenty of crap shows that a lot of people watched and plenty of excellent shows that not enough people watched.

What they put another Whedon show on Fridays.. can he never get a break?

You do NOT want him to a break with fucking Dollhouse. That right there is a piece of shit that deserved either direct to VIDEO release or fridays, but nothing else.

Well according to some shit I read Fox wouldn't let him recut/refilm some of it.  Not that I've seen the show at all and really, wasn't psyched for it.  I'd have watched it to see Eliza Dushku.. same reason i watched Terminator cuz of Summer Glau.

I wasn't even a big Buffy/Angel fan.  I think he had his best shot with Firefly/Serenity and he's fucked from now on.

How do you know?

Some of us want to believe in the new Buffy!

Watch the trailer.

I can't say if the show sucks or not, but I lost interest *REALLY* fast with this one. The first episode I was all hyped and into it, ready to go! I wasn't let down, but each episode there after I started to care less and less and exceedingly less. The show just went from "Must watch!" to "meh" in near record time.

Outside of the amusing novelty of Summer Glau being the terminator, I just could not bring myself to care about any of it.

This week's episode should have been titled Awesome McWinsauce.  Although I think the terminators are already starting to go down the Buffyverse vampire route- superbadass at the beginning, and killed by a stiff breeze at the end.

I strongly agree with the last two posts.

I am guessing the liquid death terminator lady will wind up procuring the body of the terminator they buried so its very likely he will be back in some form or another. Hell the guy rebuilt himself from a head.

I thought the scene where Cameron was talking to Derek Reese in his ammo dump was interesting. She seemed much more human than normal, and you didn't get the impression she was doing it to manipulate him like she was with Connor.

They do seem to be laying the groundwork for doing something more interesting with her than the simple "a robot who learns to feel emotion" line.

She's been making mistakes.  Her chip must be damaged.

I'm sad to see Cromartee go.  I was really enjoying his interactions with everyone.  He seemed to be similar to Cameroon just on the opposite side.

I am too and I wonder if it had anything to do with the actor being in that 1 Life episode? As in, maybe the actor is going to move over to Life soon?

I'm getting some weird vibes off of Cameron lately. For instance, the whole flashback episode, and her basically using feminine wiles to try to get John to agree to what she wanted. Any thoughts?

Why is it that nobody ever notices that John Connor is years younger than he should be? I could see people just assuming his Mom has aged well but John should be in his 20s at this point without the time travel right?

Edit: Ha. That'll teach me to post before I finish watching. The Mexican police did notice that he should be 24. Never mind!

And all the official records say that John Conner is dead, which is why the agent got the call about Conner's ID getting flagged.

Oh damn. Best thing on television right now. "We're not built to be cruel." Gotta love that shit.

I thought last week was good, but...damn.  This is some good shit. 

Yea, this weeks episode was exceptional. So was Chuck and Boston Legal - really, the whole week has been good. Except Heroes, that was a piece of shit.
/me heads over to the Heroes thread.

She was almost flirting with him.  "I can feel sensations..."  Yeah, we bet you can.

But yeah, another really good episode.  I'm really surprised at how consistently good this show is.  Hell, I even like Brian Austin-Green's character.

Still she is right how could an infiltration bot be an infiltration bot were they not capable of pretty good tactile sensations. It may not be feeling as we understand it but it would be silly to assume that they cannot feel sensations.

I am pretty sure in the future she and conner were lovers. When the show started right as they met she came across as very human acting. Once she started running with them she started acting more machine like. Now she is going back the other direction so I think a lot of her more robotic actions is intentionally done for a reason.

I honestly assumed it was one of those things that sometimes changes between pilot episodes and the regular series. Like they went "shit, better dial her back to machine and show her becoming human so we can have a character arc!"

Loved this episode. A Blade Runner reference, guest stars from Buffy and the West Wing (as well as the Battlestar Galactica girl) - plenty of geek stuff, which is fun.

I think I'd assumed the show was going to be all about John and his mother constantly on the run from the robots. Perhaps arriving in a new town each week and moving on at the end of the episode, like the Incredible Hulk or something (Bill Bixby version). But it's much more than that. It's surprising me how good it is.

One very minor nitpick with the episode

I did not get that either. Why not clean up both and be done with it why take any chances.

Good points, but

So is that what was going on in the basement of that house from the first season?

I wondered the same thing, but I don't think so.  Who knows?

Good episode. Every time you think the show is going to go one way, it veers off into left field but in a good way.

On Triforcer's point:

Yeah watching this after Heroes really highlighted how crummy Heroes has gotten. I still enjoy it but Terminator's in a whole other league.

Christ, now I've caught up with some of this, I don't think the world is ready for a Scottish T-1000.

Another very solid episode.  A couple of interesting new plot lines.


Oh, and...

Liked the storylines this week, but every single actor in the show seemed to decide to take the week off, acting-wise.  Lot of scenes with people having really weird expressions on their faces, while giving wooden dialogue. 

Huh.  I didn't notice that at all.

One of the things I really like about this show is that I really cannot predict where the plot is heading...there are several interesting strings that may end up getting resolved in several ways. 

One of the great things about the concept in general is if they ever need to change cast members, they can go "omg timeline shift because mosquito died" and suddenly everyone is different.   :drill:

Hey! A Bauhaus shirt!

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

Show is fucking great. That means it's gonna get fucking killed.

^^^ Isn't it getting moved to Fridays where TV shows go to die?
 :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak:

What really impresses me about the show is how human everyone is.  They fuck up, they have pain, they have no idea what to do even though they are caught like a deer in headlights.  I really give a damn about these characters to the point I don't even want to acknowledge there were any other Terminator movies but the first one.  (Which is my favorite of the 3.  3 of course being the worst, a film that is largely like Alien 3 in being a celluloid FUCK YOU BITCH to anyone who liked the previous ones and had any sort of emotional investment in the characters and story.)

Its more about the characters than a bunch of shootouts.  I like that.  A lot. 




I'm growing old aren't I?  When you care more about character development than action you are becoming ooooold.  The first Hellboy movie was merely the tip of the iceberg.  Time for me to get a walker I guess. :(

Oh, and Mr. Ellison...

I like how we spend an episode 'wasted' because the title character is a bit loony.  OK so she is crazyballs.  Robots from the future are going all out to kill your son, who is the savior of mankind, would kind of make one a bit jumpy.  I'm getting a bit tired of the "OMG another person from teh futures!" schtick.

Writing is excellent, needs Emmy recognition.  Actors doing great (do they ever have an unattractive person on?); I have so much wood for Summer Glau I could build a lake-front cabin retreat for Warren Buffet.

The show absolutely gets better every week. I never have any idea where the writers are going with it, and that's a very good thing. It would have been so easy to just write a "robot from the future of the week" show, but they've actually done a good job of limiting the number of robots that get sent back.

Yeah, it's amazing how much mileage they are getting out of Cromartie without it becoming tiresome.  Even that Garbage chick (can't remember her damn name), I was certain they were going to have her rampaging all over town weeks ago.  They show amazing restraint.

Another great episode.  The plot advances essentially not at all, and yet I'm riveted. 

Good ep, but

I dunno, it was just a sideshow as far as I could tell (and cleverly put together), so I won't stress about it too much.

Yes, the plot was advanced. They explained the dots. That was worth the episode. Do love this show. And yes, I know you noticed it (in the spoiler), just saying.

I fear for this show getting moved to Fridays though.

I think one of the reasons it did what it did was that skynet wants to change the past to get rid of hurdles to its existance/dominance but its not all about random changes because changing the wrong things could work against it. So basically things got screwed up so its agent did everything it could to mitigate that and putting it back to as much like it was as possible.

We don't know why its target was important yet but I am guessing we will find out.

You know what?  I'd be perfectly fine if they didn't try to explain it at all.  I'm content with not knowing all the facts, when the alternative is to take the condescending, over explaining tact that too many others take (Heroes, I'm looking at you).  Leave something to my imagination.  I was fine with the whole sub-plot if for no other reason than it showed more of Cameron interacting with others outside of her usual environment.

Yup even if they never explain it the episode is still a good one. These things are robots they do what they are told to do and this one had something mess up on it and it went about making sure it could do the task it was sent back to do by hook or by crook.

I don't watch much tv, but this is good stuff.

It was a disappointing episode only because it was a filler episode that didn't significantly advance the plot (mainly the plot about what the t1000 is doing with Ellison's robot). Other than that, it was fucking brilliant. Well-written filler is still better than arc stories that suck (yep, Heroes again). Is this the first time we've seen the time machines malfunction (i.e. send someone to the wrong time?).

I didn't even think about the 3-dots thing until schild mentioned it. If so, that may be a little bit too subtle of an explanation. Lots of unanswered questions from the episode, but great stuff to set up some future plot points.

I'm holding out hope for a Terminator against T-Rex future episode.

Only if the T-Rex is flying an F-14.

I'd be the first to say Sarah Connor Chronicles is a poorly written piece of shit, but this episode was fantastic.  More like it please.

A Sound of Thunder: Terminator Edition!

Another magnifique episode.  Though I wish

Why are you sending this to die on Friday Fox???

They'll get back to it next week.  One thing I really like about this show is that even the "filler" episodes are riveting, and ultimately, important.  They could do a show where they all go to the mall for a day of shopping, and I'd still eat it up.

Fox hates quality television, especially Sci-Fi. It's the only explanation.

If you step back and look at this story, it's not really any different than stories we've seen before.  It just has different details.  What makes this episode good is the way they tell the story.

Tee-hee. Goatse shirt.

You noticed that too. Very  :awesome_for_real:

I do want them to get back to Ellison and Cromarite/John Henry, but damn it was a good episode. This show isn't supposed to be good. I'd written it off when I first heard about it as crap. But goddamnit, it just keeps the same level of quality from filler episode to arc episode. I was kind of hoping Lauren would bring the baby and stay with Sarah and the crew.

Well...huh. Some of it was simply awesome, but there were parts that honestly confused me.

Edit: Oops. Forgot to close my spoiler tags.

Yeah, I think I missed three eps, and it sounds like they were important ones.  :ye_gods:

Seems like the stand-alone episodes are better than main story.  I think I am loosing a connection with Sarah and Ellison. 

Yeah, it went from awesome to a show about two time travelling girlfriends having an argument.  Also, who needs backup anyway?

I think she didn't call about back up because at this point she's trying to make a point to herself.  A mistake from a person who tries to avoid them for sure.

Um, it was all completely awesome and all completely in character.  And I like it just fine that they aren't so condescending as to explain every little fucking action to me.  This is how you write TV for grown-ups.

About Riley and Hawt Aussie Girl:

I don't think it was just you, as I got that same vibe.

I don't think it was supposed to be giving that vibe, but it did.  I pretty much want to have sex with this entire show.

I knew you had a thing for Brian Austin-Green.

If I had the chance to have sex with the entire show, I'd gladly give him the courtesy of a reach-around.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/smoothjazzandmore/full-metal-jacket-ermey.jpg)

(http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/39720/me/goatse_eh.png)

So, goatse joke? or not?

I'd say not.

WTF happened to this show?  I thought it was on Fridays?

It is, or rather, will be on Fridays starting Feb 13.  It's just on midseason break right now.

So apparantely young John Connor was on G4tv's Attack of the Show Feb 9th. He made a comment that at first he offended the Terminator girl when they met because the actor John knew another girl that was up for the part something about casting a busty blonde for the part that he knew. Anyone else catch that clip and perhaps have an idea who the Busty Blonde he is referring to?

Leven Rambin.

Why is nobody commenting on the wonderfulness of the last episode?  Has the move to Friday meant that nobody watched it?  Fuck you all. :heartbreak:

Uk.  I'm an episode behind chief.

Sorry.

Just saw the one with the kid that was an immunity carrier.

Strangely, didn't like it.

I saw last fridays episode I liked it the stuff with john henry was very interesting curious to see what liquid metal lady will do with him since he was able to tell that she was not human. She looked pretty alarmed by that curious to see where that goes. I was amused when she was going on her rampage that the camera was zooming in on very innocuous things to make the viewer wonder where she was going to spring out from.

This show has hit the skids.  Last two episodes have left me under-entertained.

Cameron has been pushed in the background as well as the lesbians from the future.  Can't a brotha get a shower scene?

The three dots hasn't been an interesting story for me, sick of Sarah defending her sanity.

What's happened to this show?

The same thing that's apparently happening to every show people really like:  Its time for people on the Internet to bitch about nothing in the hopes of making everyone think alike.
 :oh_i_see:

I liked the opener two weeks ago quite a lot, though I will agree that the last one was under their normal standard.  Still, that's one episode out of a bundle that has been sub par.  I'll not write it off just yet....even if Fox already has.

Oh crap yes, I totally forgot about it and was looking forward to seeing it tomorrow night. >_<

It's just my opinion and that's what these boards are for eh?  Also, your posts used to be really great and, man, they have hit the skids now that you are a fanboy.

The funeral episode was slow, but I thought it built to a good end. A good end in that it left me wanting to know more.

Totally fucking clueless, hoping they cancel this now.  Sarah and John are the most boring characters ever, I'd rather watch Summer Glau interact with a vending machine for 40 minutes.

Given how often you come up with the strangest forum postings about MMORPGs from the most unreadable, boring, and downright brain destroying internet locales, I'm apt to throw that comment right out the window.

But I won't because I too would like to watch Summer Glau interact with a vending machine. But for totally different reasons. (I have interests in her choice of beverages).

Sarah can't get stop talking about her ex boyfriend, only in this case her ex boyfriend happens to be the end of the world.  John Connor can't get past being the saviour of mankind so looks forward to speeding time with his suicidal annoying girlfriend.  No fate, more like no interest, neither of them can die or the show ends, the most involving recent episode, Self Made Man, focused on characters that didn't spend their screen time being emotional wrecks.

But you know what?  Maybe you are right, maybe my bad choices in computer gaming preferences serve to illustrate how some quality television like this, can go right over my head.  The tea leaves point to cancellation, at least they can blame it on a move to Friday's.

You had me until that last bit.  Seriously, though, they do need more Cameron stuff.  Not just because she's hot.

I still think that even slow episodes of this show are superior to most everything else on TV.  The writing is still good, the characters still interesting.  When the attractive nurse at the sleep therapy place (whatever the fuck that place was) says "thank you for explaining"...moments like that are what make the show for me.

This last episode kind of reminded me of the episode of Buffy where she is hurt and having dreams of being in an asylum where her fantasies about being a slayer are causing her all kinds of problems. Very trippy.

The problem for me is they are riding the "Sarah might be crazy" angle too hard at the moment. Her fragile state of mind was an interesting bit of characterisation when it was implied. Dragging it front and center and making it the driving force behind an entire arc transforms it into a gimmick.

Cameron was walking around in her underwear.

Well she has spent a good 17-18 years effectively doing whacko shit now.  Its surprising she hasn't gone completely off the deep end by this point.
She is sort of like Batman.  Only hot.  And fighting soulless robots instead of the Joker. 
SHE HAS A MISSION RAAR.
Close to 2 decades of fighting a war almost nobody but her knows about is enough to give PSTD to levels nobody could possibly think of.

Sarah having valid reasons for being crazy can be interesting, T2 showed that when she flipped out and started shooting at Miles Dyson.  This last episode just wasn't well done,

I am watching season 2 on iTunes and I just cannot believe that John never asked Cameron if her programming included blow jobs. If I was 15, it would have been the first thing that popped into my head. Now that I am 40, it's the second.

Looks like next weeks episodes is going back more into the main story lines again. The last three episodes were fine its just that they unfortunately were a bit more on the filler/bridge episodes and after the first half of the season where most of them were moving along pretty fast makes the second part feel a bit slow. Still liking this show a lot better than heroes because even Sarah going a bit nuts is more consistant than and understandable than the actions of the people in heroes.

Dumb question for ya:  why pay to watch on iTunes when you should still be able to watch these at fox.com?  In HD even?  I'm at work, so I cannot check that they're still up.

Otherwise, yeah, of course he's thinking about it.  Haven't they even hinted at the possibility that future John has some sort of actual relationship with Cameron?  I'm sure there's a pearl necklace or two in her future.

They hinted at that in the very first episode (the relationship not the "necklace" :why_so_serious:).

Given that she is a female form infiltration robot one would have to assume she is programed to perform any function necessary for that role. The male infiltration terminator in one episode was married to a lady and one would assume fully functional.

I really enjoyed the last episode. Just the little details in the writing - when you go back at the end and look at which parts of it were dream, you see the little changes from the show's realty that were based on how Sarah sees things. Like Cameron walking around in front of John in her underwear.

Obviously, this show is going to die.

I watch them on my iTouch while on the commuter train. I have watched a few at fox.com, but I get home late and get up early so the train is better.

The plot with Riley gets increasingly byzantine and stupid.  I can't wait for it to end.

People still watch this?

I mean besides maybe muting it and watching just the parts with Summer Glau in it.  This show has gone to crap.

I kind of liked it at the beginning, but when you miss an episode and realize you don't care.  You pretty much just stop watching in general.

I liked the episode. I liked the screwed up future people plan, I like that it all falls apart because nobody talks with anybody in this household. Hell, its a greek tragedy clothed in Science Fiction pretense. That button will be pressed for all the wrong reasons, and I am waiting for it to happen.

I liked this last episode loads.  I don't understand some of you people.  The writing is still quite good.  Whoever does the screenplay dialogue on this show is fantastic.

Seems like a lot of build up for the Riley character and not much too show for it.  The show seems a drift.

Hmm? Her death will lead them to the brit, which will lead them to find out more people were sent back and are possibly, maybe, fucking shit up.

Isn't she Australian?  I could've sworn she said something about coming to L.A. on an Aussie sub. 

Oh my bad, I got the TIME TRAVELING MERCENARIES NATIONALITY INCORRECT.

Really, does it matter? Do country boundaries really, really matter in robot holocaust future? Or are you trying to avoid some awkward situation where the f13 aussies somehow give a shit?

Remarkably, I can answer those multiple questions perfectly with one word:

Decaf. 

I'm still loving the show so there.

Also, I don't need explanations for everything.  The best part of the whole Riley storyline was when they got into that crazy catfight, and I honestly didn't know what was going to happen, thought for a second that it might go the other way....I believed for a second that Aussie girl might, in fact, bite it, and I didn't really believe Riley was going to be offed.  It was messed up, unpredictable and very well executed.    The writing in this show never condescends.

I am finishing up Season 2: really, really good. Not psyched to read some disappointment for 3.

Interesting since you can't finish up season 2 yet as there's 5 unaired episodes.

What show did you mean to post about?

This show boils of awesome. I take the good with the bad on this show, while Riley annoys me and crazy Sarah plot line is a bit grating, it's not horrible and taken into the full context of the show, it works perfectly. Hell there was some elements a good number of them actually that i did not like about the Dark Knight, but if taken out would I'll be watching the best movie of 2008 (and probably a few more years)? No. Sometime the crap I don't like is necessary.  This show is about fucked up people being put into even more fucked up situations, and so far it delivers.

I am guessing due to the gap they are thinking what is showing now is season 3 but its just the second half of season two.

I thought Season 3 was airing. I see that is not the case. New eps go up on iTunes much quicker than I thought.

So what's in the box?

I believe that was supposed to be one of the earlier infiltrator models with the rubber skin.

Nice, didn't occur to me.

Crazy good stuff.  I only just got around to watching it on my DVR.

:awesome_for_real:

I was starting to get a somewhat annoyed with the excess of drama over the last episodes, but this one made it all worth it.

The last episode was the best episode of the series imo. The only thing that compares was the last 15 minutes of season 1.

Yep, fantastic episode.

Actually, the week after next. What is under the spoiler is the type of thing no sane person would look up, I came across it while researching what the status of the show was for a season 3. Seriously, it's an episode name that practically gives away the entire end of the season. >_<

 

I very nearly gave up on this show but now that a certain character is dead and Sarah isn't chasing three dots I'm back.  BAG does a surprisingly good job as the action hero.  I love how he sexes his girlfriend up and then leaves.  Dude is hardcore, snuggling only helps Skynet.

The JC mythos is back, with the excellent sub action.  I like how JC seems to be turning terminators to the good side.

On the other hand, I thought the Hide and Seek sub-plot was ridiculous.  The Cromartie stuff seems to be stranded.

I like the Cromartie stuff :(

Me too.  They could do a whole episode on little else and I'd think it was great.

"Are we friends?"   :awesome_for_real:

Good thing Cromartie wasn't painting Necrons.

But this fucking show rocks ass.

I very much like Cromartie, just hated the Hide and Seek idea.

Good episode, Thomas Dekker was actually convincing which caught me totally by surprise, he acted his little socks off in that hotel scene.

Yea, he's really growing into it.

I think he's pretty convincing for an angsty teenage JC.  And I think I've said it before in this thread, but to my surprise I really like BAG in this role.

Glad to see I wasn't the only one that really enjoyed that episode. Amazing how a single scene/monologue can really make a show. I honestly think this is one of the best written shows on TV right now, and it will be a complete travesty when it doesn't get renewed.

So was Friday the end of the season? How many eps left?

This show is unintentionally brilliant at times.  It's baffling.

Three episodes left to go.

I like it a lot but in a "Finally, that fucking arc is over." way.  Hopefully the crazy Sarah stuff is done and the show can return to being good.

Yep, now we see a growing wisdom in JC as he confronts Jesse.  Great scene, that actor, for the first time, made me think he is JC.

Unintentionally, in the same way that Lost is unintentionally a piece of shit all the time? :awesome_for_real:

Thomas Dekker as John Conner has been growing into the role, but he hit the absolute homerun on this episode. Superbly written monologue in the hotel, and acted just as well. The show meandered a bit with the 3-dots subplots, but it has caught fire. I know it's going to get cancelled... it's too good for Friday nights. And when it's canned, it will be a travesty.

I've finally caught up on this series and I absolutely love it.  The only episode I felt wasn't really that good was the Sleep Disorder clinic/kidnapping one, the funeral one probably dragged on a bit more than it needed to as well.

Another fantastic episode.  Please let the next one not be the last...

Watched an episode on Hulu today since I'm a little behiind and think I deleted them on the DVR.  There's some posts pointing to a blog that says it's been canceled and the sets are gone, Fox just doesn't want to announce it till they've finished airing the shows.  Sounds grim, but yeah just a blog.  Show has really picked up the last few episodes and I loved the stuff on the submarine.  Hope this isn't true but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Some people are too cryptic for their own good. Link (http://www.fmqinc.com/terminator-cancelled/).

OK, I have not been following this thread at all, and have never watched an episode of this show -- but people keep saying nice things about it. Should I break down and go the Netflix/Hulu route and get in? I'm looking for good writing not explosions...

I just watched the last two episodes because of this thread. The only other one I've seen is the very first episode made, so it was a plunge into the deep end. It's Terminator-worthy and they insert references to the movies - e.g. the finger-waggling liquid metal. Most of it is BSG-ish soap opera, but the action bits were good enough. Strange mix of accents - the Asian Aussie, the red-headed Scot, etc. And Summer Glau is good.

Edit - didn't realise until I looked at IMDB that the red-headed Scot is Shirley Manson from Garbage.

I should've linked it I guess.  But I didn't want to be 'that guy' who links blog posts that sound truthy but are totally unverifiable.  I was earnestly soliciting some more definitive info here.


I really enjoy the show, and I have like no attachment to the Terminator franchise (I kinda like T2, couldn't give a shit about the other movies).  I'd say it's worth it.  The cast has really grown into their roles, but as I've mentioned in my last two posts I'm not sure of the show's fate, and I don't know if it's worth getting invested in this show given it's murky future.

Right now I'm just pissed that they moved this to Friday night next to a Whedon show.  Whedon is a vortex of suck and contaminates shows merely adjacent to it.

Edit: PS is Schild on suicide watch?  I'd hate to see him shoelace over this.

Almost there myself.  Good television keeps ending.  It's annoying.

You're right. I still haven't quite gotten over last years cancellation of Flash Gordon.

Your experience is not comparable, given that that show is terrible  :awesome_for_real:

Reg is oldskool;  Real men don't use green.

No, don't.  Just wait for a year or two when you'll be able to buy the complete run on DVD since it's going away.

if they cancel the show at this point i seriously probably am fucking done with tv until series and seasons are over.

>_<

Also, that episode was fucking great.

Defibrilating somebodies head. Thats going to sting in the morning.

Not looking good for a season 3.

http://thetvaddict.com/2009/03/14/tv-ratings-march-13-2009/

What the hell is Howie Do It? And what fucking self-respcting 18-49 year old is watching Ghost Whisperer?  That show has more than 2x the viewers of TSCC.

Can't I just start the Netflix cycle of doom now and passively watch to get 'caught up' in time for the cancel? Then I only have to wait for the release of the last season.

It does have good writing, clever plots and not too many explosions. I was expecting "kind of like the movies but not as good" and I was very pleasantly surprised.

ONe would thiink that wth all the pre-hype about the new movie, there would be some curiosity about the show. Maybe the name just sucks and idiots aren't making the connection.

I would think Summer Glau alone is worth 2.0 rating points...

The name really is horrible.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the main reason it hasn't done well.

They should have called it Terminatrix. 

The same 18-49 year olds who frame advance The Tux to see the two frames of JLH's tit pop out. So really, no self respecting 18-49 year old. I did rent the first DVD of season one a while ago knowing nothing about it and hoping it would have cool, scary ghost shit in it. Sadly, they managed to make ghosts, and her tits, boring.

I think they are making a serious mistake by not tying the marketing of the new movie in with the show. Both could see some serious benefits from doing so, but it's like the movie wants nothing to do with the TV show. I blame McG. I like blaming McG.

The latest episode was goddamn awesome as usual.

Donald Where's Yer Troosers? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONO0bkpiXhM) was awesome. Shirley Manson must have had something to do with that.

I'm amazed they dodged such an excellent excuse to make Shirley sing.

I'm not sure how tying the marketing of a summer blockbuster movie to a TV show on the verge of cancellation would benefit the movie.  Seems like it would be more likely to hurt the movie if people were to get the impression that the story was tied in to some TV show they never watch.

This is a good thing, considering no-one apparently watches the TV series outside of these boards. I don't think it was picked up by free-to-air TV in Australia for this next series, outside of the prestigious 11:30am - 4am filler timeslot.

I'd stopped watching this and have just caught up. Damn it's one of the best shows the US is putting out right now, I'm sad to hear it probably isn't continuing.

As for what's going on generally, I suspect we're seeing a second machine faction that doesn't want to see humanity wiped out. The USS Jimmy Carter bit was JC seeking an alliance and Scottish cyborg lady is their agent sent back in time. I'm guessing they've got an attitude that they're going to save humans in spite of themselves, humans get in the way and cause problems and simply can't be relied on in any bid to actually save the human race. I'm also starting to suspect that John Henry isn't actually Skynet but rather the AI that gives rise (birth?) to Skynet, the Cain. The second Cylon faction then is linked to some sort of 'Abel' AI. That's after the whole exchange between him and Scottish cyborg about Cain and Abel, possibly taking that bit too literally though.

Also they've done a really good job of actually developing characters in this series, John's moment in the hotel really stands out but Cameron's slow development has been a really interesting arc. The best moment so far being her confrontation with Riley where she finds herself not simply obeying her programming. She knows that it calls for her to kill her as a threat but she doesn't and finds she's actually got a choice, leaving her in the position of not knowing what she's going to do. I thought it was a well done way of telling it, not simply having Cameron going, "Oh I have developed the capacity for choice. I am no longer a simple programmed clock toy and choose to learn to love. Take me now John!" Instead she's stuck with the novel experience of not being forced to obey her programming (for the sake of John's wishes or a sense that human lives matter or w/e). Fuck I wish we'd seen some similar themes explored in BSG, it could have made it something much better than soap opera in space that God did.

I thought that was awesome when Savannah told her she wasn't a boy and can't sing.

ha

Argh! I thought that then went, not Cylons, cyborgs silly. Apparently I wrote it anyway.

It worked better as Cylons.  :awesome_for_real:

You know, if they'd killed that character like that on any other show, I'd have been out of there. That was one of my favorite characters. But goddamn, the episode was just so full of win, I have to keep watching. I almost NEVER know where this show is going, and that's a great thing.

As for connecting with the movie, two reasons: 1) for the TV show, it gives them some much-needed exposure and 2) for the movie, it means the brand stewards are paying attention to fans of the brand. You don't have to cater to the niche geek market, but you shouldn't ignore it. Fans of the TV show ARE the market for the movie, and vice versa. They are the fuckheads that will buy Terminator Labeled Turd in a Box.

If you're the director or producer of what I assume to be a 100m+ budget movie, your concern isn't for helping out a TV show out of the goodness of your heart.  Fans of the TV show are going to check out the movie, cross-promotion or no.  They likely checked out the TV show in the first place because they were fans of the movies.

I've never seen someone killed in a show with no fanfare whatsoever. That was fantastic. So, what's in the box?

Edit: I know what is SUPPOSED to be in the box. I'm just wondering if that's what is actually in the box.

Another box.  Duh!

I really thought he had just taken a round in the chest and would be back up 5 minutes later, till we saw the headshot. Fucking hell they've got balls to do things like that, awesome.

24 has come close. Almost.

Derek's death was rivetting in its simplicity. It actually made me feel bad Green won't be able to collect on a paycheck for his enjoyable acting.

Can't he just come back again, from the future or whatever?

Thank god your not writing my terminator.

What if I am.  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah I liked that a lot, my favourite episode since the 1920's terminator one.

There are more eps coming? That ended like a finale of a show not coming back.  We always knew JC would be on his own eventually.

Their season finale and maybe series finale is this friday should be interesting. Even if this is their last season I have to say they at least made 2 really damn solid years of TV which things such as heroes cannot say.

Still when this finally gets canned and I expect it to be canned after this weeks episode fox is dead to me and I will never again bother with anything they do.


Kaid

You'll be eating those words. Fox has a strong tendency of producing execellent shows they prematurely end. They'll suck you back in for more disappointment. Have they ever shipped off any of their troubled shows to one of their cable networks? It would be better than immediate cancellation.

Unless SciFi.. oh SYFY picks it up for a run, I don't see who would really want it.  Its only 2 seasons long.  2 really really good seasons but still 2 seasons.
Maybe its best it goes out on a high note.
We won't have the kind of bitching BSG ended up with to read.  (My eyes can only roll so many times dontchaknow?)

And frankly Terminator Salvation looks fucking stupid.  Pretty skies, Road Warrior esque landscapes, grouchy McAsspants as Connor.  Some giant bipedal scrap robot that would look stupid in the Bay Transformers movies?

Yeah.  Gimme Sarah Conner Chronicles any day.  Character development, plots among plots, action scenes that feel realistic, actually making sense of the whole timetravel bits. 
(Plus hot mom.  But that's just a very nice bonus.)

It was written to cover three seasons from the start, it would be a crime to leave it hanging.

I read that the only reason it didn't get canceleld earlier in the season was because WB cut the license cost to keep it running to help promote the movie.  It was said that once the movie was out they wouldn't need the series anymore. link (http://www.airlockalpha.com/news426236.html)

When this series is canceled my only regret will be missing the death of Sarah Connor.  I don't really think they'll cover that anywhere if they don't cover it here.

...

That's because in Terminator 3 it's established that she died of leukemia (and presumably Salvation doesn't seem to contradict that at all since in the trailer, John only says that the Terminators "tried" to kill his mother).  Her avoiding that fate is specific to the TV show.

Just watched the last two eps and Jesus, what a show!  It will definately be cancelled, Fox can't have quality TV like this for long.  For instance

At least do a 2 hour movie to tie up the show (and maybe kill off Sarah) and set us up for the movie. 

They wonder why folks stop watching TV when they cancel great dramas like this.

If this is how it ends, I'm satisfied.  Given what happened to BSG when they pulled a similar stunt, death might be a mercy.

There is no possible way to continue, wouldn't they be covering the same ground as the movie?

I'm glad they made it apparent that this show has nothing to do with the movies anyway, they kind of negated that third one.

I am so uterly confused right now. Does one being alive not preclude that option for the other?


I am so confused.

It seems John jumped to the beginning of the resistance before he somehow was put in charge.  Reese and Derek haven't jumped back in time yet they are both alive, and apparently John Connor leads the resistance at 16.  The resistance that was already taking place.  For some time.

I don't understand how John Henry having Cameron's chip has any significance, they're already in the future so it doesn't matter anymore.  Nothing was prevented.

Essentially they know the show will be canceled and tried to wrap things up as best they could.  I wish they would of wrapped up with the death of Sarah Connor as that would segue into the third movie.

holy shit this episode, almost done.

God. This is just the best show on tv. Or, I guess, I fear, it's the best show that WAS on tv.

There will be tears if they cancel this show. TEARS.

That felt like an ending of a cancelled show to me. It was good.


Speaking of saving the world, I am using this as my segue into assuring you that stories are not connected by electric scooters.

I am confused also. Ya it's over.

What was confusing?

The only thing that makes sense here for me, was that she knew that was one thing John would chase John Henry in to the future for.

I was under the impression however, that John Henry was the sum of that entire bank of computers. So did he go in to the future, or did Cameron go in to the future riding in his body? If so, why not just take her own body?

I'm going to stick with the idea that the entire show was just a huge plot to get John Conner to where he needed to be to lead the resistance. Of course that doesn't really make sense either, but whatever. It felt like an appropriate wrap to the show, since it seemed obvious that they weren't going to end it with him preventing armegeddon.

At this point I'm more leaning towards the entire point of the show was not to stop skynet, but to show the other terminator faction. The faction that led John to reprogram terminators. And also, to create a third future (the other two being the possible destruction of skynet or the one we've always been shown; a robot decimated dystopia). A future where Kyle and Derek lead the resistance and John, presumably, died at some point (hence why Derek didn't know him). In short, they have 100% severed the tv storyline from the traditional canon. In other words, this is an awful place for the series to end and they obviously had at least another season or two planned.

tl;dr: If this gets canceled, I am fucking pissed. I repeat. Pissed.

Edit: I'm trying to wrap my brain around why some of you think this was a good place for the show to end. They just created an entire lore structure that didn't exist. Are you just trying to cope with the fact it'll be canceled? If that's it, OK, but otherwise, storyline-wise, ending it here is just stupid.

You are just making stuff up to give yourself hope it isn't canceled.

What did I make up? Did you miss the last 4 minutes?

I'll be glad if it's canceled at this point, I don't want whiny "Let's talk about our feelings" John Connor leading the resistance.  It's too much of a touchy-feely show to handle anything but the upbringing of John Connor.

I don't really think that would happen. He's either going to get Cameron's chip and come back, come back with Summer Glau (excuse me, Allison from Palmdale), work with Shirley Manson and set up the third faction, or just jump back in time shortly before Cameron sent herself off and fix it that way. I'm sure we wouldn't see that much of the future as the show isn't really about that. Of course, more than likely, we'll see fucking nothing. At least I can't blame Leno for this, but I can blame him for the possible cancellation of Chuck.
/me curses the heavens.

I'm baffled that anyone could think the series is continuing. The ending was a final bow from the main characters. Exeunt.

Let me see if I can put some sense to it.

John Conner jumps to after Doomsday but before the resistance has gotten really active. He stays in the future and leads from that moment on. The time he jumped to was BEFORE he ever sent Kyle Reese back (which is why Derek didn't know him). No one ever said Conner was in the timeline that entire time from his 16th birthday to the present (future). I mean, how better to survive killer robots from the future attacking you at any opportune moment in the next 20 years than to just NOT BE THERE? To skip years entirely?

As for Shirley Manson's character, she's from the future. In fact, she's very likely the T1000 model that Jesse saw in the sub. The second Terminator faction for some reason has it in for Skynet, and wants to save the humans (maybe?). Perhaps we'll see them in the movie. Either way, the T1000 from the future comes back to 1) ensure John Henry is created and survives to oppose Skynet, 2) goes forward into the future WITH John Conner to protect him so that he can lead the resistance, providing another enemy for the Skynet faction to drain their resources.

As for why John Henry needed Cameron's chip, John Henry wasn't mobile. He was contained in those boxes and servers because they didn't have a working T888 control chip to contain him. Cameron's chip, however, WOULD contain him. Dump Cameron's personality into the John Henry box, dump John Henry into Cameron's chip and Cromartie's body and send him into the future, where he can be built to oppose Skynet. Send him forward for the same reason you send Conner forward, to hide him from Skynet.

As for where they could go from here? Plenty of really juicy narrative places. A Terminator show set in the future would be awesome drenched in awesomesauce. Sarah dies of cancer in the past. The show's story takes place prior to the 2018 of Salvation and leads into the trilogy of movies coming up. What's so hard to get about that?

Kind of what Haemish and Schild said, but not.

-I think the Australian gal was sent back to try and stop John from doing this.

-The TV show is in a different timeline from the third movie.  The show runner said that the TV show ignores the third movie.  The director of Terminator: Salvation has said he has no intention of using material from the TV show.

-I doubt they could maintain a Terminator in the future just because of budgetary reasons.  Chances are Season 3 would go like BSG's: They quickly return to something like the status quo.

-The show's only hope is Terminator: Salvation.  The show's ratings are total dogshit that stinks up the ratings of everything around it.  Either people dig the movie and want more and end up with the TV show (buying DVDs etc) OR an executive thinks people will start watching the show and grants it a reprieve.

So the point of the show was to take the fairly straightforward concept of the Terminator movies and make it more convoluted with other factions of Terminators and alternate timelines?  If so I'm glad I stopped watching partway through the season.

I thought it ended very well.  All nicely wrapped up with John doomed to play out his role, the role he'd been bitching about the whole time.  He gets to send his dad and uncle back in time to die and presumably falls in love with Alison knowing she's going to get captured & killed too, turns out saving the world was the least of his problems.

Did they ever explain what Derek saw in the basement ?

Not this season.

Terminator pulled a 1.3 share among the all-mighty 18-49 male demo.  By comparison, Dollhouse pulled a 1.6.

Yeah this show is dead.   :heartbreak:

 :ye_gods:

WTF is wrong with people?

They don't deserve nice things.

People don't like good things.  Only shit.
Its why D&D 4th edition sells and Tunnels & Trolls is relegated to "That game is still in print?".

It is to be weeping.

Budget. Setting it in the future requires fuckloads of effects. Setting it in the present is affordable.

Yeah, there's no chance of it staying set in the future if by some miracle the show isn't cancelled. My guess is that they spend one or two episodes there tying up story lines and then head back to the past with Cameron and Unkie Derek again.

Not to derail, but I ran my first Castles and Crusades game last night.  Great DND system!  4e is fun, but it's NOT DND. 

Well, damn.  It was a great run.  I'd piss my pants with joy if they continue the series, but it just seems unlikely.  People fucking suck.

The demographic the show is aimed at watches on Hulo or DVRs the show.  That kills ratings dead.

In general it ended well but objectively speaking it was a terrible ending for practical reasons. If schild's musings didn't bother you then consider that the show isn't Terminator: John Conner Chronicles but Sarah Connor Chronicles. When I first read about this show the producers stated that this is a story that revolves around the actions of John's mother and how she influences future events.

This ending almost focuses entirely on John and kicks Sarah to the curb. But there's a lot of things in this episode that are obvious setup elements such as Dyson's son, the new FBI agent and Skynet still existing in the past.

My guess is that the third season is supposed to be like Tolkien's Two Towers where we have to watch two very different events have coinciding impacts on each other. That would've been some epic TV that has never been done before. But NOOOO, this show might get cancelled and we'll be robbed of the awesome.  :heartbreak:



This is Roadwarrior future not Asimov's Foundation future. Just do season 3 in Detroit and have the locals dress up as Terminators.

I love this show, and the finale left me thinking for a long time.

Why do quality shows struggle so much, yet we get season 9 or whatever of American Idol and Survivor? 

Hey! Don't be dissin' on American Idol! (It's on season 8) :awesome_for_real:

Tannhauser posted the reason, great shows pull such low ratings in the key advertising demographics


While American Idol pull's a ridicious 7.9 rating (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/09/wednesday-ratings-american-idol-wins-again-unusuals-rather-usual-for-abc/16357)

That's 22.44mil vs 3.56mil

Edit:  One side note, sometimes you have a pay network such as HBO stand behind a show. I don't know how but they kept The Wire (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=15068.0) running for five seasons (last season it was averaging a high of 1mil viewers). I guess if you have enough critical acclaim ;)

If it helps any I bought Season 1 on DVD tonight.

(And Castles & Crusades fucking rocks.  It, Tunnels & Troills 7.5, and Swords and Wizardry (which is FREE) are becoming my go to sword and elf RPG choices.)

I'm thinking john is now off in the future (and movie), and Sara is going to stay there and tie things up or keep trying to stop skynet before it happens. As evidenced by her leaving the bubble, and saying "I will fix it" , perhaps hunting the son. Leading us back to the show is called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

I don't think so, or at least, I don't think it could exist as ONLY a story about Sarah going after Skynet.  My (probably faulty) reasoning is because so many of the other characters are just too compelling to just go ahead a dump like that.  Cameron, John (Dekker really came into his own, I thought), Derek, even Ellison and John Henry.  Maybe even Weaver.

Damn, I loved this show.

Hay, i was joining in on the "Grasping at straws" thing going on, i am quite sure the show is over.  :grin:  :oh_i_see:  :sad:

Well that is the producer's problem to fix. Their storylines focusing on Sarah haven't been as compelling as the other characters. I think the first thing that needs to be discarded or reduced significantly are her narrative monologues.

Three Dots, Motherfuckers.  Three Dots.  Almost as catchy as "Save Cheerleader..."  :drill:

Great finish. Even if it isn't cancelled it would be a mess to pick up from here.

A mess?  With these writers?  I doubt that very much.

Though it is probably a moot issue, anyway.

With everyone in the future, it would be a completely different show. I am not saying the writers couldn't adapt but the basic premise evaporated once JC is actually part of the post-Skynet rebellion.

Perhaps, but I guess I'd be fine with it becoming something other than SC Chronicles.  I basically like all the characters on this show, so they could basically run in either direction and I'd be good with it.  They could make a show with John Henry playing with toys and talking to himself, and I'd probably still watch.

I rolled a twenty.

Heh, yeah.

The John Henry/Cromartie actor did such a fantastic job with that, I'd watch a show just about him. If the show shifted to just the future with John Conner and the Reese's Pieces, I'd watch. If it was just Ebony and Ivory (Sarah and Ellison), I'd watch that too. These writers have shown they can take a show I thought would suck from the get-go and made it must-watch TV.

That actor that plays John Henry also played the guy who shot Wild Bill Hickock in Deadwood.  He's a tremendous actor and I hope he gets more work.

Was also in that Pitt Jesse James film as 'Bloke that Got Shot No3.'

Even there he was good.

He was also good as the villain in Life, even with bad russian accent.

He had two roles in deadwood.

And both were teh awesome.

Interview with BAG (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20811). 

He subscribes to my theory of what happened! I was really confused when everyone here started saying that John Connor merely went to the "beginning" of the resistance.  As I watched, I assumed he jumped to a future where he never existed and someone else had stepped it up as resistance leader.  It seemed obvious from the way the scene was presented. 

I don't think it was that obvious, I assumed there was a certain amount of flex in the time line for details of JD to change, even JC's role in it, but the key detail of JC sending his father back in time was more "immovable" due to being the whole point of T1 and JC's continued existence. 

I did think it was odd they didn't attempt to make the BAG look younger in the final scene, but his father did look really young. 

They made it very obvious that no-one knew who John Connor was, so therefore this was his first time in any incarnation in the post JD future.  What they didn't do is make you realise that this an 'alternative' future, rather than the time he starts assuming leadership with his priveledged knowledge of what happened and how to reprogram Terminators.  Everyone that needs to be there is there, Alison can still be captured and replaced by Cameron, his father can still be sent back in time, and later on so can Derek.  There was nothing there that screamed to me, this is how things would have been if John Connor never lead the resistence from day one.

Even with the time travel foolery though I'm gonna be annoyed if there is no third season.

Spoilers for what would have been/will be the third season of Terminator and some talk about it and Dollhouse:

http://io9.com/5213470/dollhouse-and-terminator-really-not-canceled-yet-say-insiders

That's what I thought after watching it as well.  It seemed like an 'Oh shit, they really fucked things up now.'

So tired of Multi-world theory.  It say nothing matters because everything happens.

Watched five episodes now. It's true that if this is pulled into the abyss with that piece of shit entertainment that is Dollhouse, it's pretty sad. Not that I find this to be the most riveting television I've seen (yet), but it's good enough. Dekker is not as much of an annoying snot as I thought he would be. I do think they're overplaying Camerons' aspirations to humanity though.

Edit:
I think I'm in love with Garret Dillahunt. :drillf:

Edit II:
Season 2 had a damn good starter episode.

Edit III:
Holy fuck Jess is an annoying bitch.

It's season two that's teh awesome really.

Edit III was really done eight episodes into season 2. Then I tired of it all I suppose because I haven't seen an episode since then.

Blasphemy!

It does stumble a bit in the middle of the season, Tarami.  It definitely redeems itself by the end.  Fight your way through it.  You won't be disappointed.

Sorry, I can't make myself watch this.

To me, this is the dialogue:

John: I just want to be a normal kid!
Sarah: You can't be a normal kid. OOOH! LOOK AT THE COLOURS!
Cameron: You do not want to be a normal kid. Don't argue with my foolproof logic.
Derek: Atleast you have a normal bed! Me, I'm stuck in the sofa! Did I tell you about that time that will come when my cousin's granddad's neighbour took an artillery shell up his ass for your sake?
Jesse: I'm so tired of you fighting! Now see what you did! I have to go kill someone with my bare hands just to get my mood back!

Ellison: You guys seem to have so much fun together. Why won't you let me in?
Cromartie: They don't love you like I do, Ellison. I want to have little dark-chassis'ed Asimos with you. Please say yes, or atleast preach to me on religious topics in order to distract my non-theological CPU.

Riley: You don't understand what it's like to be the saviour of mankind! I do!
Everyone except John: What the fuck is she doing here and why hasn't someone killed her already?
John: I don't know, I'm not even doing her eventhough I'm sixteen and I'm walking in a constant high of testosterone.
Cameron: Right now I'm programmed to feel rejected.
Sarah: I'm sorry my snot of a son is assexual. Does this straight-jacket look good on me?

Cromartie: Are you really sure you're not okay with me killing all of you?

P.S.
Don't take it too seriously. :-P

Well-played.

But seriously, it does get much better. Lots of the things you're seeing now pay off big-time towards the end of the season. Just make it past the 3-dots Sarah's gone batshit crazy episodes, and you'll thank us.

Yep.  And to be honest, this show on a bad day is better than almost everything else on TV.

I can't believe I'll probably never see a new episode of this.

The thing is T:TSCC pulls down an absolutely obscene amount of DVRing/Hulu watching.  It's also always in the top 5 iTunes shows purchased.  The problem is that these networks are still hanging on to their old model of following the Nielsen's above all else.  I guess that's a business model, but it's a business model that's only going to get progressively older and grayer.  People our age (and I'm in my 30's, mind you) don't watch TV on someone else's schedule.  There are just too many competing forms of entertainment and television had better recognize that fact before they're stuck showing reruns of Murder She Wrote and Matlock for the geriatrics.

Of course, they could always pump out more episodes of shit like American Idol since our country is evidently composed of tasteless mongoloids.

I'm in my mid thirties, and I agree with you - I actually tend to watch this one live, but that's more coincidence than anything.

...but do you actually have numbers to back up your statements on the DVRing/Hulu rate?  Not calling you out, just immensely curious.  I'm happy to grab at whatever straws I can.

Here ya go (http://www.idsnews.com/blogs/weekendwatchers/?p=1173).  A full 30% of the this show's viewers watch it via DVR.  That's fucking huge.  Hulu won't release numbers, but I've read from unnamed sources at Hulu that it's usually their 3rd or 4th most watched show.  Likewise their numbers are really good through iTunes and Amazon.

The problem is that this a show for young people that's been shunted over to the Friday night death slot, and when you're only watching the standard Nielsen numbers that's pretty much a death sentence.

Interesting, thanks.

Also, I'd wager that fox.com itself sees a lot of action for this show, particularly given that you can get it in HD (unlike Hulu...I think?).

I've linked to why DVR, Hulu and Netflix don't matter yet.  They're still far, far too small a market share to cater to, and they don't bring in ad-dollars which far, far eclipse - with a single two minute commercial block -  even being the #1 downloaded show on iTunes @ $2 a show.

Someday, yes, the internet and DVRs might win.  However, cable companies themselves are working hard to make sure that day is a long, long way off.

Pretty sure they show it in HD on Hulu.  I don't see why they wouldn't have all the same content on both sites since Hulu is owned by Fox (and NBC).


Yes the ad density on Hulu is very low.  You might watch 5 commercials in an hour and it'll all be from the same company (usually some shitty PSA from the Ad Council).  Maybe product placement (TSCC brought to you by Dodge and Remington) could help and there's always the argument that DVR and Hulu numbers can translate to DVD sales.

I'm pretty sure it's dead.  Shirley Manson was on the Craig Ferguson show a couple of days ago, and she referred to herself a couple of times as an "unemployed actress".   :crying_panda:

Why were you watching the Craig Ferguson show?

I don't.  I do frequent Television Without Pity, however, and they were discussing it on the Terminator boards.  A quick dig on Youtube brought up the clip.

Well, I finished the second season today and I sorta got a question.

How much will it cost me to get a third season?

Seriously though, a lot of the series is pretty meh and hamfisted. The whole three-dots-plotline was essentially pointless. But then again... the final six or seven episodes were fantastic. I want to give gold stars to:

a) The girl playing Savannah. She was really, really good.
b) The writers getting all the technical and geeky details sorta right. "Twenty!" It lent a lot of credability to those scenes.

Silver star to Thomas Dekker for having a couple bright acting moments toward the end. Especially that time when he's talking to Jesse.

Alot.  Cancellation was confirmed yesterday.  Bummer, not that I watched it. 

Wat.






GOD DAMMIT.

fuck (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16114.msg645829#msg645829)

Just finished watching the whole thing yesterday. I'm disappointed it's getting canceled.

What's with the "multiple sources" in the UK IGN Cancellation (http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/983/983839p1.html) article? Who are the sources? The TSCC twitter people (ashman01 (http://twitter.com/ashman01)) are all saying we won't know until today. Maybe because its missing from the schedule?

Fuck IGN.   You gotta ask ausiello.  Durr.    :drillf:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/05/bubble-show-upd.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_en_tv/us_tv_fox_new_season

Wanda

Fucking

Sykes

Eat. My. Ass.

At least that unfunny yutz is on at 11.


http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2009/05/18/fox-spares-dollhouse-axes-terminator/

Edit: So moving it to a different night and having it air with a fucking Whedon show is consistant? My. Ass.

Not just moving it to a different night, but the WORST NIGHT ON TELEVISION FOR SCI-FI. How they renewed Dollhouse and didn't renew Terminator is unfathomable (other than Dollhouse being cheaper to make). They think the Dollhouse ratings were bad before? Wait until they see what the ratings are with two 30-minute comedy lead-ins.

Dollhouse has hot chicks, Terminator has plot. One of them, had to go.

An ugly asian, a bad actress who belongs in Maxim wearing next to nothing, and the only Rubenesque sleeper-kung-fu action star ever does not equal 1 torn up face-ripped-apart Summer Glau.

Edit: Also, Dollhouse may be the only show on TV with more cyborgs than Terminator. And I'm not talking about the whole "minds erased" thing.

/signed

I can feel my rage increasing.  Fucking fuck.

Was that suppose to be green?

I don't understand how they figure ratings.  Do they include people with TiVo or other DVRs, or just people who watch shows when they are on?  I'm pretty sure that TiVo collects data on what is watched.  Seems like it would be a great source of information for the networks.  Ditto with watching over the net.  Do they count that?

I don't give a fuck when a show is on, I don't even know what night what is aired.  And I'm never, ever going back to scheduling my life around when something is aired.  It blows my mind that more people don't have TiVos - it's the single most life-changing, life-improving appliance since the pc.

Anyway, it seems to me that people who take advantage of technology and watch on TiVo or Hulu are more likely to watch particular shows (like Terminator) than people who watch them over the air. 

The way they count ratings is shit.

In fairness to them, though...consider their main source of income.  Advertising.  What does everyone with TiVo/DVR do?  They zip right past the commercials.  They surely don't get those same advertising dollars from Fox.com or Hulu.  So from their point of view, what good does it do if they have millions of viewers but advertisers cannot capitalize on it?  Shows like this may just be too far ahead of their time.  Until they figure out how to get those other revenue streams working, they probably can't afford to care about viewers like us.

Advertising agencies will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. That much is obvious. I'm surprised the entire industry hasn't been totally gutted already.

Also, I'd be SHOCKED if Terminator didn't make as much money as Dollhouse on DVD under the same circumstances.

We (ad agencies) are gutting ourselves these days. Those who didn't realize 3 years ago that print was dying for 2/3rds of the demographics out there are either dead already, dying or are undergoing massive restructuring in the way they purchase media, bill clients and create campaigns. Why do you think Twitter and Facebook have gotten such traction lately? Or why Hulu and its ilk are becoming so big? Because ad agencies are just now realizing that if they don't skullfuck the hell out of those channels, there will be no money left for them to spend on 3-martini lunches with clients.

Previous discussion in the King's thread, here. (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16422.msg630519#msg630519)
 The article I reference is here. (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/02/17/why-being-a-hit-on-itunes-doesnt-matter-yet/12989)

Although Cyrrex does a nice summary of the why in his post the TV By the Numbers link goes into some ballpark number crunching.

http://hucksblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/boy-in-bubble.html

That blog would make better TV than Dollhouse.

Hahaha.

He should get a part on Californication.

Can you imagine being a TV writer, having the terminator license and one of the best actors on TV (Cromartie, if you're wondering).

Comes time to find out if you're renewed - and, despite the IP, you're not. Then you find out that the other robot show on TV, Dollhouse, isn't being canceled. Sure, it's not a robot show REALLY, but it may as well be with those actors.

What options do you have? I'm surprised that post wasn't a suicide letter.

Real life: Continuing to be totally not fucking right fair or just since oh..  a shitload BC?  :heartbreak:

http://io9.com/tag/josh-friedman/ (http://io9.com/tag/josh-friedman/)

Seeing as it's been bumped ... This is repeating in Australia on a new free-to-air channel called "Go!", available only on digital tuners/set top boxes. On Wednesday, so many people watched Sarah Connor Chronicles that the digital-only audience outrated one of the traditional TV networks. It's at the jump into the future point, where the terminator has just rebuilt itself in a bath of blood.

>_<

Direct to DVD continuation maybe (http://thetvaddict.com/2009/08/31/exclusive-thomas-dekker-says-terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-may-be-back/)? I doubt this will get off the ground, but I know the Family Guy, Futurama, SG-1 and Atlantis Direct to DVD's have been successful, so there is a precedent.

That's way to vague to be worth anything.

Although, direct to dvd movies for IP with loyal follow seem to do pretty well.  The Futurama Movies and the the Star Gate Movies are the first examples I can think of.

I don't want a damn movie.  That's just one thing, and poof, then it's gone again.  Someone needs to pick this up and start the series up again.  Fuckers.

As this point Direct-to-DvD is the only way to maintain the IP while insuring the youtube, hulu audience actually pays for the production of the series and returns a profit. I think Terminator Salvation killed the desire for the Terminator IP as a summer block buster, but for the most part The Terminator Sarah Connor series is actually quite safe.

After how poopy the Dead Like Me movie was without Mandy Patinkin, I can't imagine this going well.

There is no story to continue from where the second season finished. They teleported it into the future. That's the end of the show. You can't set something in the post-apocalyptic future without a movie-sized special effects budget unless you keep the entire thing indoors. Even a TV movie would have to be a flashback/prequel, occurring before the final episode, so they could shoot it in the present day.

They were obviously planning on a third season up until cancellation. So at some point they must have figured out a workable budget.

Also, aside from being a bit of a logical stretch, there's no reason they couldn't have traveled back to the past again.

OK, so I have managed to avoid major spoilers so far, but from the chatter I gather the series has been cancelled.

Is it still worthwhile to watch ? I caught a few glimpses of the show on German TV a while back. Is there an end to the story ?
(See my mini-rant in the reaper thread)

Absolutely worth watching. Especially the latter half of the last season. Hell, the entire run is good.

It's worth watching, but in the end I only think so due to the second half of season two. It's very spotty otherwise, I find.

First season was excellent; end of season two was good too. Early season two was pretty meh.

Think I'm getting to the awesome part of season two. I'm shocked how good this show was.  That kid from 90210 is really good too.

Sarah Connor's voice overs in T2 and this put me to sleep. She's such a mindless yapper.

Wait....what?  There were no parts of this show that weren't awesome.

Also, people need to stop posting in this thread and leading other people to believe that something unthinkably awesome might be happening when they see that new posts have been made to this thread.  Bunch of cock teases.

Yeah, I was hoping to read" its back".

In case someone saw this had new posts and skipped to the end: It's not back :awesome_for_real:

OK, from now on no one is allowed to discuss any show that is no longer on the air.

It's available on netflix watch now!!!

Syfy has just (as of last Thursday) started airing Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.  If you missed the show in it's original run, I highly recommend it.

Some of the smartest, most interesting televised scifi in a long time that wasn't afraid to dial the tone everywhere from grim-dark to light teen romance.  Interesting characters and character development and, of course, eye-candy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cZNnOW9Y4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cZNnOW9Y4) I really need to say that to more people.

Damnit, I really miss this show.  :sad:

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