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Title: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 02, 2008, 03:51:16 PM
Australia apparently has broken the street date on Spore (4th September for them), according to posts all over the internet. I doubt it's been broken up here (also due for Sept 4th), but I'm checking the local game retails tomorrow morning.

Might as well start up a thread for this shit. I, personally, cannot wait to find a bunch of Furry creatures, carefully cultivate a planet to their liking, thus creating a veritable Planet of the Fur. And then destroy that planet.

:why_so_serious:

Oh, and the friendlist feature is apparently in, so we can pollinate our worlds with each other's dickmonsters instead of the phalli of random internet strangers.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ookii on September 02, 2008, 03:52:51 PM
Second Post!  :drill: :drill: :drillf: :drill: :drillf: :drillf:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 02, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Be wery wery quiet. I'm hunting Fuwwies. heh heh heh heh


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 02, 2008, 04:34:37 PM
I CAN'T WAIT TO INFECT YOU ALL SOON.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ingmar on September 02, 2008, 04:36:09 PM
Australia got a street date earlier than ours? What the shit? No more complaining about that from Yahtzee IMO!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on September 02, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
This might be the first game I buy in half a year, assuming the reviews aren't terrible.  Anyone know where I can download it once it's out in Europe?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: photek on September 02, 2008, 06:16:57 PM
This might be the first game I buy in half a year, assuming the reviews aren't terrible.  Anyone know where I can download it once it's out in Europe?

Yes, sir!

http://eastore.ea.com/store/eaemea/DisplayHomePage


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Trippy on September 02, 2008, 06:24:09 PM
Does anybody know if Spore phones home if you are connected to the Internet a la Steam? I'm too lazy to check.




Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 02, 2008, 06:38:25 PM
Spore was leaked; it's been pirated already. It's on various private sites and should make it's way to public ones within a day or two.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Driakos on September 02, 2008, 09:06:30 PM
Can't wait.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Tale on September 02, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
Australia got a street date earlier than ours? What the shit? No more complaining about that from Yahtzee IMO!

The movie Wall-E is about to premiere in Australian cinemas.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 02, 2008, 11:40:59 PM
Spore was leaked; it's been pirated already. It's on various private sites and should make it's way to public ones within a day or two.

A day or two? The internet moves at the speed of LIGHT!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Jain Zar on September 03, 2008, 12:08:26 AM
It won't run on the previous Mac OS and its EA.  I shall be passing for now. 

Besides, September 9th is when Battle for Black Reach, Warhammer 40K's newest starter set packed with the 5th edition rulesbook and about 1000 points worth of Marines and Orks comes out.

And I am back to Da Boyz after a nearly year long hiatus of Chaos Marine and Tyranid shenanigans.




Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 03, 2008, 03:18:51 AM
Does anybody know if Spore phones home if you are connected to the Internet a la Steam? I'm too lazy to check.




The box shots I've seen have "internet connection required for gameplay" just like Mass Effect, so I would expect it has the same herpetic DRM situation.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lac on September 03, 2008, 05:23:22 AM
Quote
    *  We authenticate your game online when you install and launch it the first time.
    * We'll re-authenticate when a player uses online features, downloads new content or a patch for their game.
    * The new system means you don't have to play with the disc in your computer. And if you are like me, always losing discs, this will be a huge benefit.
    * You'll still be able to install and play on multiple computers.
    * You can play offline.
It should be delivered at my doorstep in about 24 hours.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 03, 2008, 05:44:14 AM
Where's that quote from?

I just called up the local retailer and they confirmed it will be in when the store opens tomorrow morning. 10 AM road trip!  :drill:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lac on September 03, 2008, 06:06:37 AM
http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2008/05/maxis-responds-to-the-spore-drm-controversy.php

It's what they said after they dropped the securom/authenticate every ten days drm.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 03, 2008, 06:14:45 AM
It won't run on the previous Mac OS and its EA.  I shall be passing for now. 

Besides, September 9th is when Battle for Black Reach, Warhammer 40K's newest starter set packed with the 5th edition rulesbook and about 1000 points worth of Marines and Orks comes out.

And I am back to Da Boyz after a nearly year long hiatus of Chaos Marine and Tyranid shenanigans.

I've barely played in years, but I'll be picking this up next week as well.

Do they still have combat patrol stuff in the new edition? I'll have to rejig my painted CPs again, and finish my unpainted CPs, and then rejig their lists.


Does Spore still give you 3 installs EVAR before you have to telephone EA and ask nicely if you can install your game again? I thought that was the current state of play, but that link seems ambiguous.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 03, 2008, 07:38:07 AM
Spore was leaked; it's been pirated already. It's on various private sites and should make it's way to public ones within a day or two.

Glad to hear their DRM measures worked.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 03, 2008, 07:41:47 AM
Spore has practically no DRM whatsoever. Let's just stop this talk of DRM. Yeesh. It's not like it's Splinter Cell fucking Chaos Theory with some bastard child of Starforce and Securom.

And it's not like a pirated copy can authenticate into Spores servers, it's tied to your CD key.

NEXT TOPIC.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 03, 2008, 08:05:38 AM
So, how 'bout them penis monsters?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lac on September 03, 2008, 08:16:32 AM
So, how 'bout them penis monsters?
Did they mention how they will filter them out when the game populates the world for you?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Nija on September 03, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
So, how 'bout them penis monsters?

There will be lots of talk of civilization-era religious victories with penis monsters.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 03, 2008, 08:38:11 AM
(http://ll-863.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/009/863/500009863765.png) (http://ll-268.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/007/268/500007268464.png) (http://ll-109.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/008/109/500008109535.png) (http://ll-412.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/008/412/500008412712.png) (http://ll-629.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/009/629/500009629609.png)

Eh, penis (and vagina) monsters be damned. There is so much amazing talent around, this is going to rock. It's CoH character creation on steroids.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: K9 on September 03, 2008, 09:10:11 AM
The puppet one is amazing, and also possibly the creepiest.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 03, 2008, 09:50:08 AM
I think coming across a planet of them would be wild.

And coming across a planet of penis monsters....well, you've got to have a place to do weapons testing.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 03, 2008, 11:20:01 AM
So, how 'bout them penis monsters?
Did they mention how they will filter them out when the game populates the world for you?

From what I hear, there's an option to populate your world with "unapproved" creatures. EA apparently has a group of Highly Trained Professionals (read: interns) that go through spore creatures and flag the okay ones as Safe. If you're cool with penis monsters, just allow unapproved creatures and you draw from the whole range.

I'll doublecheck this though.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 03, 2008, 11:42:51 AM
I would imagine it would pull from something like (or exactly) the Featured filter list on sporepedia. The stuff I just listed was from that list, which is full of awesome.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 03, 2008, 12:20:32 PM
This game's online component had better be the second coming, because I've seen flash games with more depth than the single player game.


Title: SPORE - REVIEW"ish"
Post by: Cory Jacobs on September 04, 2008, 04:05:31 AM
Okay, not by any means a sanctioned review, and yes I saw the topic "SPORED OUT OF YOUR MIND," I don't care. 

With that aside, I've spent the last 5 hours playing alongside F13 alumni Capt Jigglypuff, and both he and I came to the same two conclusions....

1. People can deliver on hype, it just takes an exceptionally long amount of time and a shit load of delays and...

2. If you ever want to see daylight again, DONT PLAY SPORE.

Seriously, not kidding! I don't think the customization ends! I collapsed into a ball under my desk around the tribal era, and Justin wasn't far off. I sent him home with a burned copy and swore I'd never play the game again. It's simply too much! I'm sure there's going to be a hardcore community springing up, but I want no part of it. My fragile mind can't handle that level of micromanaging...

After Spore I've realized for the first time in my life that I don't want to be God.


Title: Re: SPORE - REVIEW"ish"
Post by: Yoru on September 04, 2008, 06:31:54 AM
I just got my copy today and played an hour at lunch. I'm in the creature phase.

Confirming, it's awesome -- but, I can definitely see why some folks wouldn't enjoy it much. A lot of the joy comes from playing with your creature designs and just looking at neat stuff, the game mechanics are light and don't get in the way of that too often.

Can't wait to go farther on this after work tonight.  :drill:


Title: Re: SPORE - REVIEW"ish"
Post by: schild on September 04, 2008, 06:47:52 AM
Oh shit, we found the target fanbase.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 04, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
Wow, spore.com is getting thrashed right now.  I wonder if they have indeed opened the download floodgates early.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 04, 2008, 08:52:44 AM
1. People can deliver on hype, it just takes an exceptionally long amount of time and a shit load of delays and...
You are so wrong! (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14334.msg505636#msg505636)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 04, 2008, 09:26:34 AM
1. People can deliver on hype, it just takes an exceptionally long amount of time and a shit load of delays and...
You are so wrong! (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14334.msg505636#msg505636)

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 04, 2008, 10:14:02 AM
So do any stores in the US have this yet?  If so, I'll forgo the preload and call around to see if anyone's interested in selling me a box.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 04, 2008, 10:16:03 AM
Friend names!  :heart:

If you want my shit, add SpaceYoru.

If it gets long enough I'll split this off into a new thread.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morfiend on September 04, 2008, 10:20:38 AM
So do any stores in the US have this yet?  If so, I'll forgo the preload and call around to see if anyone's interested in selling me a box.

Gamestop is showing the 7th as ship date, which is odd to me as thats a Sunday.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Cory Jacobs on September 04, 2008, 10:50:28 AM
1. People can deliver on hype, it just takes an exceptionally long amount of time and a shit load of delays and...
You are so wrong! (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14334.msg505636#msg505636)

Lies. You can't look at the polish on the builders and tell me it doesn't deliver. Now gameplay.... eh. But I didn't expect much depth outside of the online community.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 04, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
Cory, I know you. Tell us if you haven't gone back to Disgaea 3 in 2 weeks. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Cory Jacobs on September 04, 2008, 10:55:38 AM
Oh, I'm not even going to play it. Gameplays too shallow, I was just blown away by how deep the evolution system was. I'm already up playing Disgaea right now!  :drill: :drillf: :drill: :drillf:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 04, 2008, 11:00:26 AM
That's my Cory.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: ffc on September 04, 2008, 11:39:19 AM
Spore has practically no DRM whatsoever. Let's just stop this talk of DRM. Yeesh. It's not like it's Splinter Cell fucking Chaos Theory with some bastard child of Starforce and Securom.

And it's not like a pirated copy can authenticate into Spores servers, it's tied to your CD key.

NEXT TOPIC.

I thought Spore is limited to three installations?  That's pretty :pedobear: and warrants discussion.  Sure it's better than phoning home every 10 days for authentication as originally planned, but it is still unsettling. 

Having Spore authenticate in online events like downloading patches or other creatures is fair.  A hard limit of three installations before begging for more is not.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: nurtsi on September 04, 2008, 12:11:00 PM
Well, got Spore, played my creature to space age. All the mini-games before it are rather meh. The first part is an arcade game where you point and click. Second one is like any MMORPG quest where you need to gather 100 doohickeys or kill 100 leper gnomes. Third is like C&C with four different types of units. Fourth is Civilization-lite with four different units again. The last stage where you fly around with your UFO abducting things, pew-pewing, exploring and trading seemed a bit more interesting.

All mini-games give you something to design, so people who like creating and editing stuff might like it. The most interesting part for me was creating the different creatures, but you don't have the full part list at your disposal in the beginning and you have to painfully collect lot of stuff to be able to make something interesting.

As a game it sucks, but I'm sure the editor will find its crowd.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lac on September 04, 2008, 01:22:53 PM
Quote
Friend names!
If you want my shit, add SpaceYoru.
If it gets long enough I'll split this off into a new thread.
I'm playing as mientje.
My spore couldn't find SpaceYoru, only Yoru_noob  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 04, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
So US stores are holding fast to the 9/7 release date?  Bah.  I guess I'll go ahead and do the preload so I don't have to deal with the mouthbreathers at my local retailers.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 04, 2008, 01:33:13 PM
My spore couldn't find SpaceYoru, only Yoru_noob  :why_so_serious:
Spowned


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Jain Zar on September 04, 2008, 01:41:20 PM
It won't run on the previous Mac OS and its EA.  I shall be passing for now. 

Besides, September 9th is when Battle for Black Reach, Warhammer 40K's newest starter set packed with the 5th edition rulesbook and about 1000 points worth of Marines and Orks comes out.

And I am back to Da Boyz after a nearly year long hiatus of Chaos Marine and Tyranid shenanigans.

I've barely played in years, but I'll be picking this up next week as well.

Do they still have combat patrol stuff in the new edition? I'll have to rejig my painted CPs again, and finish my unpainted CPs, and then rejig their lists.


I don't think they do actually.  It might be in the hardback book maybe.  Or at least the previous one.  (Or one could always look for it online if you don't have the old book..)

But I saw Black Reach at the Comic Shop yesterday, but was a good boy and did not buy it.  I did get to listen to the idiots playing fighting video games belittle the minis gamers since there were very few of us this week.
Given that the store is very close to kicking them out for good (because they don't actually buy much of anything, take up space in the game room, and use up electricity...) they were on rather shallow ground.

Ill buy it eventually though.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Driakos on September 04, 2008, 03:27:10 PM
My Spore friend name is: driakos

I'm at the modern age, twice.  I started over to see if I'd missed anything tremendous playing on easy.  On normal now, and I don't see any difference at all.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 04, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
Yeah, I skipped the last hardcover book because I was studying when it came out, then never got around to buying it. Found a sealed new copy on eBay a couple of days ago for $5.50, since I realised I had an unbroken line of the 40k-hardcovers, and I may as well keep it up after so many years. I'll buy the HC of the new one as well in a few weeks.

I'll also buy Black Reacharound, I was on the verge of deciding to buy two of them for weeks, before realising yesterday that I don't, you know, actually need any more Space Marines or Orks. And haven't played a proper game since before the last edition (I had some newb-training games using B4M with my wife and some RPGer/CRPGer friends who never got into the money sink that is GW. I'd started building CPs of the various races in order to have some short, fun, casual mini-games with friends using my pre-painted and formed forces. Only got my Dark Angels and 'Nids totally finished, then they changed their Codex.  :uhrr:   Orks, Iron Warriors, Catachan Jungle Fighters  were all still in the WIP phases. And I never did get around to a happy list with my already-painted Guardsmen or Marines.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 04, 2008, 04:14:57 PM
Ah, now I remember what pissed me off about EA's direct download option.  They charge an extra fee for "download insurance" or someshit that lets you re-download it later if you need to.  You know, the thing Steam lets you do at will as part of its basic service.

No, fuck that.  I'll go brave the mongoloid hordes at the brick-and-mortar retailers and get the game a few days late if need be.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 04, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote
Friend names!
If you want my shit, add SpaceYoru.
If it gets long enough I'll split this off into a new thread.
I'm playing as mientje.
My spore couldn't find SpaceYoru, only Yoru_noob  :why_so_serious:

Weird. Some other folks couldn't find me either, and attempting to find me via the online Sporepedia website gets an internal server error.

I get the same error trying to view your profile. I imagine this is a consequence of the server meltdown or somesuch.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Shapechanger on September 04, 2008, 09:46:33 PM
The servers at EA use 14 different brands of hardware.... that's what happens when the Engineers have 0 control over the hardware they use, and the suits decide what parts to buy.

Don't expect much from their servers!  (Though Mythic does it differently and the Engineers control this (they use 2 brands)).


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 05, 2008, 01:41:40 PM
The friend thing seems to be up at the moment. I was able to add you two to my friends list. Onward to galactic domination!  :drill:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 06, 2008, 03:02:02 PM
So do any stores in the US have this yet?  If so, I'll forgo the preload and call around to see if anyone's interested in selling me a box.

Gamestop is showing the 7th as ship date, which is odd to me as thats a Sunday.

Last I heard, it was Sunday in fact. I've pre-ordered for delivery but will be checking ye old' game shoppe tomorrow anyway.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 07, 2008, 12:09:46 AM
I've preordered for in-store pickup, against my better judgement.  It seems like my best chance of actually getting a box on Sunday so I can have a few hours with it before the work week starts.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Big Gulp on September 07, 2008, 03:21:37 AM
I predict much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  This thing is a mile wide and inch deep.

The initial cell phase can take up to 20 minutes and just involves holding down the mouse button and steering your cell towards either animal or vegetable matter.  For 20 minutes.  The land phase is all about either wooing or extincting nests of other critters.  This takes forever and is boring as hell also.  Imagine WoW, only you really just have one hotkey and you'll be spamming it constantly.

That's as far as I've gotten.  Will Wright is a great toy creator, but a shitty game producer.  Glad I decided to give this thing a "sneak peek" before I actually shelled out cash for it, because frankly I got more enjoyment out of just the creature creator.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 07, 2008, 05:07:03 AM
You just described four different popular casual online games  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: rk47 on September 07, 2008, 05:26:53 AM
actually it's pretty shallow as he said.
let me just explain in one sentence of each stage I played so far:
1. cell stage: you are playing pacman.
2. land stage: you either grind social skills or kill everything that moves
3. tribal stage: you zerg rush other villages with music or weapons (very, very short tech tree)
4. modern stage: tank rush, jet rush

they're just selling the critter editor which is pretty good. Otherwise ....This game lacks depth. For the Space Age, I've not messed around it too much, just surprised my space taurens made it that far in one night.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 07, 2008, 05:46:40 AM
Friend name : AezZea


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 07, 2008, 05:51:43 AM
I think the hit-or-miss nature of the first 4 phases is going to hurt the game a lot. I enjoy the cell and creature phases the most out of the first 4, and civilization the least (on subsequent playthroughs, contrary to what I posted earlier). Space is pretty much what the game's about though, and even that takes a little while to crack open.

Contrary to making it accessible, they obscured the good bits behind some ugly grindiness in the space phase and drudgery in the earlier ones. That said, a lot of the fun is toy-fun, not game-fun. I find the game bits getting in the way more often than not.

As an example, in the Space phase, you'll occasionally get pirates attacking  or an ecological catastrophe befalling a colony/ally. The game immediately assigns you a miniquest and flashes an on-screen warning. In the former case, without max-level defenses, you pretty much have to rush back and help out, or you're going to be left with at least a few destroyed buildings. If it's an allied world, you MUST rush back, because not doing so pisses them off for a good while, which can lead to compound failures that rip apart your lucrative trade routes and alliances, or even start wars. Ecological catastrophe is even more urgent as you get 3-4 minutes to rush back to the planet (regardless of where you are in the galaxy - I've been on another spiral arm entirely and have it happen), or else one of the species in the foodweb on that planet dies off. Leading to the rest of that level of the foodweb collapsing within 10-15 minutes, and then the planet drifting out of its terraform rating, which slowly shuts down and destroys your colony.

This makes exploring the galaxy a pain sometimes. You're already navigating between hostile empires (sometimes) and watching your fuel gauge (always). Now you have to rush home every 10-15 minutes to fend off disaster. And don't even think about what it's like when you have a sprawling star empire of 50+ solar systems spread across a huge area.

They really needed to put in some way for you to get out of these minimissions. Pirates you can eventually defend against if you drop an incredibly-expensive super defense turret on every planet (although the messaging doesn't tell you if it's pirates or an invasion - and you still need to defend against the latter), and you can drop some items that decrease the rate of ecological catastrophe. If you've got defenses in place, they need to stop messaging you and have the game take care of it for you. And if you're way the fuck far away, the minimissions just shouldn't spawn at all. Nothing is more annoying than enjoying some nice peaceful exploration/planetsculpting and then getting a 4-minute timed mission that takes you back halfway across the galaxy through 3 wormholes.

Still, I do really dig the space phase. If they turned off some of the really annoying bits (or added a toggle to let you turn them off), it'd be a masterpiece for sandbox gamers.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: OcellotJenkins on September 07, 2008, 09:34:53 AM
So you can purchase and direct download the PC version but not the Mac version?  WTF? (http://eastore.ea.com/store/ea/DisplayCategoryHomePage/categoryID.12204500/ThemeID.1252400/pgm.13928100?sourceid=ea2246)



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Shavnir on September 07, 2008, 10:29:53 AM
Fucking christ Direct2Drive is slow.  Next time I'll order it to be delivered with thumbdrives on carrier pidgeons or something.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodikhan on September 07, 2008, 12:28:11 PM
I'm playing as Bhodikhan.

Some aspects are interesting. As a complete game I'm going to hold off judgment for a bit longer. However, it's rather tedious and goofy in places.
 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 07, 2008, 03:18:40 PM
User: Lantyssa


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hoax on September 07, 2008, 03:30:24 PM
Fucking christ Direct2Drive is slow.  Next time I'll order it to be delivered with thumbdrives on carrier pidgeons or something.

lol.  You still can't actually play this with other people right?  I never got the hype in the first place because its a single player game with mmo gameplay depth.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 07, 2008, 05:26:16 PM
It seems like the accounts take about 48-72 hours to appear in the buddy search thing. Some folks have just recently been able to friend me, while I've been able to friend anyone who signed up when the creature creator first came out. Anyone here who has had stuff listed for a few days I can locate, while the newer ones I have no luck with.

I'm on my second game in the space phase, and now that I know what I'm doing and how to carefully manage development & expansion, I'm having a lot fewer headaches than when I first got there.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 07, 2008, 08:09:25 PM
This thread sums up why I like to avoid pre-release hype and bullshit for games. Glad it's got the fucked-up DRM too, I'd probably have bought it otherwise...

 :drill:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Stephen Zepp on September 07, 2008, 09:12:32 PM
Does not work on my machine (funny, I have a Dell XPS M130--decently standard gaming laptop).

Turns out the error I've been getting has been known since May, yet EA/Maxis has never once responded to it, and it's not in their support or forums.

DasmX86Dll.dll cannot be found. Crashes every time you start a game.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 07, 2008, 10:26:14 PM
Spore losing the DRM Fight
http://fredbenenson.com/blog/2008/09/07/spore-drm-and-disorganized-activism/

Fsck EA and their DRM.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Shavnir on September 07, 2008, 10:59:18 PM
Oh god 14 out of 20 amazon reviewers gave it a 1.  Fuckkkkkk.

I got it downloaded after an unusually long time, played all the way through space exploration and somehow managed to quit without saving.  Had a ton of fun along the way but seriously Maxis...autosave?  You saved every creature I made but not my progress :(


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 08, 2008, 01:44:52 AM
It's got a lot more than 20 reviews now. I expect this will be more-or-less like that woman's book. You know, the woman who had a lot to say about Mass Effect's sex and nudity before she'd actually, you know, even looked at the game.


Does not work on my machine (funny, I have a Dell XPS M130--decently standard gaming laptop).
Turns out the error I've been getting has been known since May, yet EA/Maxis has never once responded to it, and it's not in their support or forums.
DasmX86Dll.dll cannot be found. Crashes every time you start a game.


As a gamer, I'm like "eh, ok, whatever...some nice stuff in there".

As a game developer, I'm like "several of these are ok, several are simply not going to happen", because the consumers won't accept (at least not in this day and age, maybe the future) what is required to make it fair for both parties.

1.  Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.

--only going to happen if that means online "phone home" authentication. Most users as far as I am aware don't like/won't accept this.


   2.  Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
   3.  Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.



Make up your mind. If the game is finished, then there should be zero expectation of meaningful updates. If a developer feels it's interesting financially, artistically, or strategically to update their game, that's their choice, not a "right of a gamer". I call total bullshit on this one.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Baldrake on September 08, 2008, 06:34:39 AM
Disappointed.

I picked up Spore despite the lackluster reviews because I was interested in what looked like a completely novel form of gameplay.

In reality, the game is thoroughly novel, but all the novelty is at the level of technical innovation. The animation is amazing. The ability to create such a wide variety of creatures and have them animate smoothly is incredible. It is impressive that all the music is procedurally created (but less impressive that it reminds me of the dashboard screen music on my Wii.) But so far, there's nothing innovative about the game at all. Like DQ said, it's a mile wide and a pankcake's width deep.

I nearly completed the second stage and was so bored I couldn't be arsed to finish it and get on to the third stage. Hopefully it picks up.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: rk47 on September 08, 2008, 07:08:13 AM
the problem is that there really is no difference to creature statistics even if you add 2-4-6-8 legs to it, it'll still move at the speed stat of one attached leg.
It's purely cosmetic. 75% of the game is about cosmetic customizations and 25% are gameplay. If you don't mind buying  game like that, go for it. At least my Sims had somewhat a personality in him, meeting random people that has different interests, but Spores forces me to micro from start till finish without rewarding much of it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Baldrake on September 08, 2008, 07:18:09 AM
I suspect the people who will enjoy it are the non-gamers. If you've never played an RTS or a God-game, this is going to look really cool, and provides a much more accessible way of trying out that style of game play than, say, RA 3 or Civ 4.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: kildorn on September 08, 2008, 07:21:56 AM
Does not work on my machine (funny, I have a Dell XPS M130--decently standard gaming laptop).

Turns out the error I've been getting has been known since May, yet EA/Maxis has never once responded to it, and it's not in their support or forums.

DasmX86Dll.dll cannot be found. Crashes every time you start a game.

From some quick googling, this seems to be hilariously caused by the EA Download manager being installed on vista 64, which then causes spore to fail to launch or some shit.

That's as bad as my issue with plaync's launcher causing guild wars to bluescreen my system, but launching guildwars normally is fine.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Stephen Zepp on September 08, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
It's got a lot more than 20 reviews now. I expect this will be more-or-less like that woman's book. You know, the woman who had a lot to say about Mass Effect's sex and nudity before she'd actually, you know, even looked at the game.


Does not work on my machine (funny, I have a Dell XPS M130--decently standard gaming laptop).
Turns out the error I've been getting has been known since May, yet EA/Maxis has never once responded to it, and it's not in their support or forums.
DasmX86Dll.dll cannot be found. Crashes every time you start a game.


As a gamer, I'm like "eh, ok, whatever...some nice stuff in there".

As a game developer, I'm like "several of these are ok, several are simply not going to happen", because the consumers won't accept (at least not in this day and age, maybe the future) what is required to make it fair for both parties.

1.  Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.

--only going to happen if that means online "phone home" authentication. Most users as far as I am aware don't like/won't accept this.


   2.  Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
   3.  Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.



Make up your mind. If the game is finished, then there should be zero expectation of meaningful updates. If a developer feels it's interesting financially, artistically, or strategically to update their game, that's their choice, not a "right of a gamer". I call total bullshit on this one.

Was there a point to your second quote? I'm not demanding anything, I'm commenting about a configuration/compatibility bug to see if anyone else has had that issue, and possibly resolved it somehow.

Additionally, but fixes/compatibility adjustments are not in any way "meaningful updates" in the context of that quote--at least not in the way I took it. Nice job mucking up the Spore thread however ;)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 08, 2008, 08:24:56 AM
I lol'd.   :why_so_serious:

My Spore profile is "spamwise", btw.  I think I must have played this for about 7 hours straight last night.  My big question: where's my plant editor, bitches?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morat20 on September 08, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
I lol'd.   :why_so_serious:

My Spore profile is "spamwise", btw.  I think I must have played this for about 7 hours straight last night.  My big question: where's my plant editor, bitches?
Expansion.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 08, 2008, 09:38:56 AM
Maybe while they're at it they can add some deeper tech trees to the tribe/civ stages.  If they give Spore the same level of post-release attention that they did to the Sims, there's a lot of room for them to do some cool stuff.  (Difference being that I disliked most of the core gameplay in the Sims, but I like what's there in Spore and just wish there was more of it).

BTW, am I alone in really loving the cell phase?  Out of all the phases I think it's the one where the choices you make in the editor have the greatest impact in the world.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morat20 on September 08, 2008, 11:23:55 AM
Maybe while they're at it they can add some deeper tech trees to the tribe/civ stages.  If they give Spore the same level of post-release attention that they did to the Sims, there's a lot of room for them to do some cool stuff.  (Difference being that I disliked most of the core gameplay in the Sims, but I like what's there in Spore and just wish there was more of it).

BTW, am I alone in really loving the cell phase?  Out of all the phases I think it's the one where the choices you make in the editor have the greatest impact in the world.
I haven't played the game yet, but I'm thinking that "deeper tech trees" for the tribe/civ stages is probably not in tune with their design and market thrust for the game.

Having watched this for awhile, it seems the "game" is the editors. Everything else is just minigames to unlock the editors and move to the next phase.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 08, 2008, 11:44:50 AM
Wow.  Just got an update on my Amzn order.  And saw this @ 11:41 am PDT.

582 Reviews
5 star:    3%     (21)
4 star:    2%     (12)
3 star:    1%     (6)
2 star:    2%     (15)
1 star:    90%     (528)


DRM.

Edit: You know for a game designed around evolution and networks, it’s really ironic they decided on the DRM.

959 Reviews @5:19pm PDT
5 star:    2%     (26)
4 star:    1%     (17)
3 star:    0%     (7)
2 star:    2%     (25)
1 star:    92%     (884)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 08, 2008, 12:01:12 PM
Huh, I wrote na article when it was up to like 373 something. Like 2 hours ago. That's a lot of hate.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 08, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
I haven't played the game yet, but I'm thinking that "deeper tech trees" for the tribe/civ stages is probably not in tune with their design and market thrust for the game.

Having watched this for awhile, it seems the "game" is the editors. Everything else is just minigames to unlock the editors and move to the next phase.

A lot of it is differentiating your creature/civilization too.  The parts you put on your creature in the editor determine what capabilities he'll have as far as movement, attacking, eating, and socializing, so as you progress through the creature phase you differentiate your creature from the others in the world and the other possible choices you could have made.

The problem with the tribe phase, to my mind, is that there isn't as much differentiation.  You gain new capabilities in combat and socialization at the same time regardless of what route you're pursuing (whenever you conquer or ally another village you get all their tech from both sides).  In other words, you don't have any say in your tribe's technological progression, which I think is a missed opportunity to add to your "story".  I'd rather have the option to put all my time into researching, say, agriculture, at the cost of never developing any weaponry more advanced than a spear.

An agriculture-themed expansion would be awesome.  Add a tribal tech tree that lets you replenish and manage your fruit bushes  and breed your domesticated animals.  And something for the civ phase that lets you supplement your income with farmland outside your city, or maybe the ability to tame epics and turn them into military units.  And, of course, the plant editor, which gives you a wider variety of flora in all phases of the game.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Oz on September 08, 2008, 12:29:11 PM
I miss Evo on SNES. now that was bad ass.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 08, 2008, 12:47:59 PM
Having a lot of fun with it.  Gave myself a stiff neck because I was so into the game I didn't move enough.

I restarted a new civilization due to being ganged-up on in Space.  It got annoying having to return to my home planet every two minutes to defend it from the three civilizations who hate me.

I had a great "Oh shit!" moment in my second creature phase.  Walking around when an Epic version of my first race decides to walk over a hill.  Sixty foot alien dragons are scary!  The Tribal phase does need more.  I'm not sure how to finish it as Adaptable, as I allied with two tribes, killed three, and my bar stayed as a Predator the entire time.  The Civilization phase is annoying for Economics, in that if everyone declares war, there doesn't seem to be much you can do.  Space is fun except for times missions and hyper aggressive AI my first play through.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: fuser on September 08, 2008, 01:15:02 PM
Any idea where the anti DRM movement is from? (referencing the amazon down voting)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ingmar on September 08, 2008, 01:18:54 PM
Any idea where the anti DRM movement is from? (referencing the amazon down voting)

Just a guess but I'd say it probably comes from some e-libertarian hotbed like Slashdot.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 08, 2008, 01:33:33 PM
Any idea where the anti DRM movement is from? (referencing the amazon down voting)

Just a guess but I'd say it probably comes from some e-libertarian hotbed like Slashdot.

I don't know where it originated, but boingboing picked it up, and I'm quite certain that might cause such like minded netizens to matriculate over to amazon review posting form…

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/07/amazon-reviewers-clo.html


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: fuser on September 08, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
Slashdot is stagnant..

Lets take some examples...

From the breakdown (http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000FKBCX4/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1).

One single review from J. Stewart (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/ARFF1RJVU2SFT/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdp).
793 of 905 people found the following review helpful:


One single review from Fox News Sucks (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1DWNXGTS2ZUBL/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview).
382 of 432 people found the following review helpful:


A five star:
11 of 118 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Stop Whining about DRM, September 8, 2008


It's an organized attempt and everyone voting reviews useful that just mark the game down on DRM only in the review. Curious...


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 08, 2008, 02:11:54 PM
I'm not sure how to finish it as Adaptable, as I allied with two tribes, killed three, and my bar stayed as a Predator the entire time.  The Civilization phase is annoying for Economics, in that if everyone declares war, there doesn't seem to be much you can do.  Space is fun except for times missions and hyper aggressive AI my first play through.

If you finished the creature phase as a predator, you might have to do nothing but ally in the tribe phase to push the slider back down into the middle ground.  It won't jump all the way back down with your first alliance.

As for the Civ phase, you need to become an economic powerhouse so that you have more spice than you know what to do with.  Build as many vehicles as you can, claim all the spices nodes you can see right at the beginning, and open up trade routes as soon as possible.  If someone doesn't want to trade with you, send him a big pile of money and ask again.  Buy cities as soon as you possibly can, since they add their spice flow to your own.  Then, when you basically have spice coming out your ears, you can maintain good relations with everyone, even if they're all mortal enemies, by sending them presents.  You'll take a -20 from doing trade with their enemies and a +40 for bribing them to their eyeballs.

In my civ game I ended up not needing a single military unit.  I bought up half the planet, bribed the other half (who were at constant war with each other) to keep relations good, and when they realized they weren't going to have any luck getting me to cut off trade with their enemies, they surrendered to my economic might.  It was  :drill:.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 08, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Yep, the game is gonna rock with 2-3 expansions.

My guess for the first expansion:

Extended cell phase and a fish phase.

I hope they'll had some feature for every phase.  The tribal stage  had it's features cut for release.  You can't customize tools and building for no apparent reason. 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: palmer_eldritch on September 08, 2008, 05:37:15 PM
One of the things that disappoint me is that the differentiation between creatures becomes less important the further you get into the game.

By the Civ stage, your choices are to conquer by fighting or conquer by spreading your religion – which are effectively the same thing, because the religious approach just means sending vehicles to blast your enemies with some sort of happy ray instead of a death ray – or buying their cities. So, two real choices as a result of all the customisation you’ve put in.

And in space stage, nothing you’ve done before really matters. You do get two special abilities based on what type of civilisation you were, but they make a minor difference to gameplay.

I guess it makes sense that as races become more dependent on technology it makes less difference how many legs they have, but it’s a bit of a let-down.

Having said that, I had four days of lots of fun with the game, but I think that may be it and I was hoping for more:) It’s also fun looking at the cool designs other people have made.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 08, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
I ran into a planet full of Aez's buildings and another one full of Lantyssa's dragons. It was pretty :drill:.

Then I uplifted the Turrets from Portal. They only got to tribal tonight, but we'll see what happens when they collide with my friendly neighbors, the ultra-aggressive Freedom Shark Empire. Damn sharks own half my local cluster and would own more if not for colliding with another ridiculously-aggressive race.

The "Gracious Greeter" power is a real lifesaver in the space game, since it nudges relations just this side of hostile for the angry empires, meaning you have to actually provoke fights instead of just getting a massive beatdown due to an unlucky starting position. The Ecologist power is awesome too - with it, I only ever got 1 eco-disaster on any of my colonies prior to getting the biostabilzers, and I haven't gotten ANY since then. Stabilizers + uberturrets + T3 full-upgraded colonies = no more worries. I can basically just let my dudes alone and they'll be taken care of.

Gives me plenty of time to roam the galaxy and see cool shit without getting called back every 5 minutes. And when I run low on cash, I can always either colonize a blue-giant binary system or purple-spice system for fast cash, or just genocide a few minor races, as each colony you bomb into rubble drops 50-60k sporebucks, more than enough to top up your tank a few times.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 08, 2008, 07:49:29 PM
I'm feeling that same specific sense of letdown--somehow it feels to me that the early stages should mean more than just something cosmetic, but that's about all they amount to: they constructed my appearance, and really nothing more.

The Tribal Stage is the weakest in the game, I think.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 08, 2008, 11:05:31 PM
please tell me this game isn't genocide == FTW.  What are the win conditions?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 09, 2008, 12:36:30 AM
I don't think there is a "win" condition.  Colonizing the entire galaxy, maybe?  Good luck with that.  It's goddamn huge.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Musashi on September 09, 2008, 12:36:57 AM
My spaceship is the Space Battleship Yamato.  It took me like two hours.

http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500034971376



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 09, 2008, 12:58:12 AM
Was there a point to your second quote? I'm not demanding anything, I'm commenting about a configuration/compatibility bug to see if anyone else has had that issue, and possibly resolved it somehow.

Additionally, but fixes/compatibility adjustments are not in any way "meaningful updates" in the context of that quote--at least not in the way I took it. Nice job mucking up the Spore thread however ;)

oh, I don't think I broke the thread. Just pointing out the part about the game being "finished", which clearly in the case of your PC is not the case, but they've decided it's "finished enough" since it's working on most other people's machines. Also that you should be able to return it for a full refund, which might be more difficult. I just left "meaningful updates" attached to #2 because you tied them together. #2 (finished) is more pertinent to my quoting.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 09, 2008, 03:01:40 AM
please tell me this game isn't genocide == FTW.  What are the win conditions?

Please tell me this is a joke. This has to be a joke.

Win conditions. Will Wright. ... Win conditions.

Srsly?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Fabricated on September 09, 2008, 03:55:02 AM
*Sees that Spore seems to suck*

*Isn't surprised*


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hawkbit on September 09, 2008, 06:28:34 AM
I wonder... At what point will the negative scores on Amazon due to DRM cause a profit loss greater than simply letting the game be pirated?

I tend to really read through the reviews to see why things are rated the way they are, but it would not surprise me to find that most people don't.  This might hurt EA badly when Xmas rolls around.  I wish the numbers were quantifiable.. I'd love to see how it all pans out!!

On a side note, why couldn't they have made the game require a login to an account (ala mmorpgs) before playing?  Seems that would nip the [Securom] issue pretty quick, it works for WoW and the others. 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 09, 2008, 07:01:26 AM
I dunno, I know when I see negative reviews on amazon, I always look for the bias. Ok, DRM sucks. Whatever.

Got the game yesterday and started a crazy race based on my polydactyl cat. Just as I got on land, the fiancee shows up, she was sick most of the day so she plops down on the love seat. Immediately Bart (the digital version) does something silly and she starts laughing. I get my first follower, and not really knowing what I'm doing, I recruit the cute little guy from the next nest over. She loves him, keeps asking "Where's your little buddy?" because she thinks he's going to get eaten (she's right, he's got 6hp when I had 25). Makes me wait until he catches up. Then we were running from some aggressor (didn't know how to sprint) and my little buddy got chomped. I thought she was going to cry. Had to go back and recruit another of the little guys. She then asked me if I could leave the Bart race to play only when she's around to watch.

That's fucking awesome.

Started another, more generic race (Meeps from Meepthorp) after she took off. I pretty much suck with the editor, so I just based it on the cell creature the game gave me to start with. I really like the polish in the cell phase, the little waterways, the way you can see creatures up in the next level but not interact, oh shit moments when you see epic cells. Same deal with creature phase, lots of nice touches. Seeing all the creatures take off running and then a meteor shower hits. Or while playing Bart, we saw some lightning in the distance and then a minute or two later it started raining where I was. And the epic creatures are really cool, training onto aggressive camps ftw.

Then I got to the tribal phase with the Meeps and got curbstomped by the aggressives because I didn't know what to do. Figured it out just before I went to bed (way too late and several chocolate porters later), so I might be able to salvage that race, yet.

You fuckers are jaded, it's a great game. MrBart is my username, but only the crappy evolution of the Meep is showing up in Sporepedia right now.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: MisterNoisy on September 09, 2008, 08:00:17 AM
You fuckers are jaded, it's a great game. MrBart is my username, but only the crappy evolution of the Meep is showing up in Sporepedia right now.

Added ya - my tag is 'MisterNoisy'.

I picked it up yesterday, and I agree.  It's not terribly demanding as a game, but it's lots of fun, especially if you like dinking around in the editors - I started playing it at 6P last night and when I looked up it was midnight, so for now it's definitely working for me.  For my first playthrough, I tried to play it as 'omnivore + adaptable'/friendly, but ultimately caved in to my baser gaming instincts and ended up committing near-genocide on all my neighbors (I left at least one alive each time so I could harvest the nest for food again later), who now run away at the sight of my pack of ravenous killers.

About 2/3 of the way through the Creature phase, I saw a UFO come screaming in overhead, and fly around to abduct creatures, complete with darkening skies and ominous music.  Good stuff, and came as something of a surprise.  Also, seeing Epic versions of the critters I'd made with the Creature Creator earlier this year was very cool, though the first time it resulted in my budding killer getting mudstomped.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 09, 2008, 08:09:58 AM
I almost got abducted because a ufo showed up while I was trying to recruit a mini-epic critter into my gang. I'm not set up for combat, so the rest of the creature phase was a breeze, two alphas of my race + the mini-epic badass brawler to whomp on things until we could get away. Then when tribal phase started, he was just a little pet in our village :( Tamed a monster and he towers over the formerly almost-epic duder.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 09, 2008, 09:22:48 AM
As for the Civ phase, you need to become an economic powerhouse so that you have more spice than you know what to do with.  Build as many vehicles as you can, claim all the spices nodes you can see right at the beginning, and open up trade routes as soon as possible.  If someone doesn't want to trade with you, send him a big pile of money and ask again.  Buy cities as soon as you possibly can, since they add their spice flow to your own.  Then, when you basically have spice coming out your ears, you can maintain good relations with everyone, even if they're all mortal enemies, by sending them presents.  You'll take a -20 from doing trade with their enemies and a +40 for bribing them to their eyeballs.
I started as Military because of the aforementioned Tribal phase.  I had to take over a city to get the option for economic victory.  At which point three other civilizations declared war on me, and I couldn't get them to back off.  It went downhill from there.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 09, 2008, 09:35:38 AM
List of Buddies I've gathered:

SpaceYoru
AezZea
driakos
MrBart
MisterNoisy
Lantyssa

Feel free to crib and add to the first page, Yoru.  Doubt even I will find it here on page four in the future.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 09, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
I move we start a new thread just for buddy IDs so we don't have to mod-edit new ones into this thread's first post to keep them in one place.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: UnSub on September 09, 2008, 09:49:41 AM
On a side note, why couldn't they have made the game require a login to an account (ala mmorpgs) before playing?  Seems that would nip the [Securom] issue pretty quick, it works for WoW and the others. 

Because people complain about this too, especially for single player titles. DRM = any kind of copy protection players choose not to like. Hell, even looking stuff up in a manual to enter a code word would be considered DRM by today's standards.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 09, 2008, 10:00:58 AM
Can't wait to see some f13 creations show up. I forgot my login for my original account for the creature creator, so those few guys don't show up on my spore page. But when it uninstalled I saved the critters and had my orcs show up on Meepthorp. Too bad the gang was full by that time, would've been cool to have a henchman of my own creation. I wonder if once you start making spacecraft if they show up as crash landing or abductors?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morfiend on September 09, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
List of Buddies I've gathered:

SpaceYoru
AezZea
driakos
MrBart
MisterNoisy
Lantyssa

Feel free to crib and add to the first page, Yoru.  Doubt even I will find it here on page four in the future.

Could you guys try and add me, so far I cant find a single person by searching for their name. Mine is "Morfiend".


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 09, 2008, 11:04:33 AM
The search function is dodgy sometimes; I find that new accounts often don't show up in search for several days.

I did find a workaround for this:
  • Go to http://www.spore.com/sporepedia in your web browser of choice.
  • Click on ‘log in’ in the upper-right corner of the screen.
  • Log in.
  • Put http://www.spore.com/view/profile/<sporename> into the address bar and hit enter.
    <sporename> should just be whatever your friend’s Spore Account Name (not email address!) is.
    So to get to my profile, you’d go to http://www.spore.com/view/profile/SpaceYoru
  • When this page loads, there should be a yellow plus (+) symbol next to your friend’s Spore Name. Click on this. The plus symbol will disappear.
  • If you navigate back to the Sporepedia page (click on it in the menu at the top of the screen), you’ll see your new buddy!
  • Next time your Spore client updates (might require a client restart), it’ll download fresh new buddy content. Yay!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 09, 2008, 11:13:40 AM
AHA!  I was trying to figure out how to add buddies from the website and couldn't.  That makes things much easier, especially with the profile links in the other thread.   :drill:

Also, looking at Yoru's profile page has given me an idea.  Tonight I'm going to try to make a building or vehicle that looks like a  :awesome_for_real: so I can set it as my avatar.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 09, 2008, 11:45:52 AM
Could you guys try and add me, so far I cant find a single person by searching for their name. Mine is "Morfiend".
I was able to get you from the in-game browser.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 09, 2008, 12:13:34 PM
I ended up creating a new Creator name from my Creature Creator one, and what's really odd is that the creatures I made on my Creature Creator name have appeared in the current game, but that you can't see those creatures if you search for the profile of my previous name. Also there's a long lag time--stuff my daughter and I made last night up through Civilization isn't showing today in our profile.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Righ on September 09, 2008, 12:43:23 PM
So you can purchase and direct download the PC version but not the Mac version?  WTF? (http://eastore.ea.com/store/ea/DisplayCategoryHomePage/categoryID.12204500/ThemeID.1252400/pgm.13928100?sourceid=ea2246)

Is this (http://www.direct2drive.com/4/6677/product/Buy-SPORE-(MAC-VERSION)-Download) what you're looking for?

As an aside, the Mac version also uses SecuROM DRM, except that because the game is 'ported' using the Cider/Cedega software that abuses the WINE open source project's code, its rather easier to remove once you are done with the game. You're still renting the game for three installs plus however many more you can wrangle out of EA during the time that they deign to 'support' the product.

I may buy rent this, but I'll probably put it on my sacrificial Windows gaming notebook, not on a more important Mac. I'm pretty confident that I can un-hook the rootkit later - I'm more concerned about the limited installs, and by the sounds of it this is a game for now, not one I'll care about coming back to in a couple of years after EA have stopped supporting it. But can you imagine how bad it would be if SecuRom was on the now largely unsupported Alpha Centauri? Come to think of it, maybe I'll just play a quick game of SMAC first.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 09, 2008, 12:49:22 PM
so you guys don't worry about the DRM?  Can you explain why? (i.e. you feel confident about removing it from the registry down the road etc).  Just looking for reasons to play.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 09, 2008, 12:53:13 PM
Can you explain why?
I'll be frank. No one is going to be playing this game in a year, much less 10.

It had some neat ideas; Creature DNA embedded into pictures, for example, but the game itself is extremely shallow and won't hold up very well over time. With it's extremely limited customization, it's got minimal replay value beyond playing with the creature creator.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Righ on September 09, 2008, 01:30:57 PM
so you guys don't worry about the DRM?  Can you explain why? (i.e. you feel confident about removing it from the registry down the road etc).  Just looking for reasons to play.

As far as the 'rootkit' implications of the DRM are concerned, I am fairly unconcerned. Although the behaviour of hiding the DRM libraries and drivers is unpleasant and merits comparison with malware, the software is not especially belligerent. It is there for the purpose of stopping the average consumer from trivially copying the game and giving it to their friends, not to undermine your privacy or to enroll your computer in part of a spam botnet. At worst, it could cause your system to be unstable, prevent some software working or reduce the lifespan of your removable media devices. However, since for even a a marginally technically minded individual with access to a search engine its possible to remove it, and since if you use a DVD drive so often as to tax the mechanism you'll want to upgrade it before it gets worn anyhow, its of no great concern. It's wrong that these idiots are selling software with this junk loaded, so its valid to make a stand and not buy the software out of consumer protest. However, its not of great risk should you want to play more than you want to 'send a message'.

The greatest problem remains the limited number of installs. Frankly this is probably of little concern for a game like Spore, where the replay value is low. Its more of a concern with a game such as Mass Effect. For that EA's management should die in a boardroom fire.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Bzalthek on September 09, 2008, 01:55:27 PM
Rumor is EA got both Amazon and Gamespot to nuke any Anti-DRM review.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Prospero on September 09, 2008, 01:59:45 PM
Looks like there are still 1700 1 star reviews.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Bzalthek on September 09, 2008, 02:18:03 PM
Odd, Amazon.com has over 1700, Amazon.co.uk has 15.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on September 09, 2008, 02:20:39 PM
Co.uk was deleting them.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 09, 2008, 02:31:11 PM
Can we split the DRM conversation into another thread for people who give a fuck?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: OcellotJenkins on September 09, 2008, 02:33:59 PM
So you can purchase and direct download the PC version but not the Mac version?  WTF? (http://eastore.ea.com/store/ea/DisplayCategoryHomePage/categoryID.12204500/ThemeID.1252400/pgm.13928100?sourceid=ea2246)

Is this (http://www.direct2drive.com/4/6677/product/Buy-SPORE-(MAC-VERSION)-Download) what you're looking for?


Yeah I finally found that but it's really strange as of last night there was absolutely no mention of a mac version of Spore on EA's website.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: LK on September 09, 2008, 03:09:23 PM
Frankly this is probably of little concern for a game like Spore, where the replay value is low.

I swear to god if you told me a statement like this a year ago, I wouldn't have believed you.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 09, 2008, 05:07:54 PM
The installation limit is going to be hilarious if they ever release more than 2 expansions.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: OcellotJenkins on September 09, 2008, 05:14:09 PM
The installation limit is going to be hilarious if they ever release more than 2 expansions.

It seems ridiculous to think they will really keep that limit in place.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 10, 2008, 10:42:58 PM
http://antispore.com/
Resisting EA’s War on Creationism

Is this for real?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sjofn on September 11, 2008, 12:11:24 AM
My user name is - brace yourself - Sjofn.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Rasix on September 11, 2008, 12:14:32 AM
Durrrr

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14416.0


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 11, 2008, 12:22:54 AM
http://antispore.com/
Resisting EA’s War on Creationism

Is this for real?

it looks too heavy-handed to be for real. Must be someone's bad joke.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 11, 2008, 09:01:11 AM
Especially since Spore is Creationist...


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 11, 2008, 11:50:20 AM
Lantyssa's Empire is my bestest buddies. But Shavnir's empire has declared war on us and Reg's empire stopped trading and is also probably going to declare war. You guys are so mean.

edit:
I restarted a new civilization due to being ganged-up on in Space.  It got annoying having to return to my home planet every two minutes to defend it from the three civilizations who hate me.
This. This is annoying, I guess this is where they try to add game for all the people bitching here about it not being gamey enough (and who wouldn't like it anyway). I want to do some trading, some exploring, some planet building and sculpting. Instead I'm dealing with Shavnir and Reg skull-fucking my 3-empire alliance because we haven't pumped out warships.

I know some of it is learning the tools properly, but it's a harsh introduction because my first space race is basically fucked while I learn how to play. Ah, well. Still mostly fun, and will be better when I can smack down the military aggressives with my hippy music and religion...


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: MisterNoisy on September 11, 2008, 01:17:14 PM
http://antispore.com/
Resisting EA’s War on Creationism

Is this for real?

No (http://antispore.com/2008/09/11/understand-my-beliefs-please/)

Quote from: AntiSpore.com
But the Bible teaches us that God was not done with man. For we were His creation and He then spoke to Noah in Genesis 8:21-27 after the flood.
“21. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never gonna give you up.
22. “Never gonna let you down.”
23.”Never gonna run around and desert you.”
24. “Never gonna make you cry.”
25. “Never gonna say goodbye.”
26. “Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.”
27.”Never truly believe anything you read on the Internet. There will always be cases of Poe’s Law.”

It’s these teachings that I’ve spent my life learning, believing and becoming, that have made me the woman that I am today.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 11, 2008, 01:38:21 PM
Ah, I see, the Rick Astley good book...

http://antispore.com/
Resisting EA’s War on Creationism

Is this for real?

No (http://antispore.com/2008/09/11/understand-my-beliefs-please/)

Quote from: AntiSpore.com
But the Bible teaches us that God was not done with man. For we were His creation and He then spoke to Noah in Genesis 8:21-27 after the flood.
“21. The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never gonna give you up.
22. “Never gonna let you down.”
23.”Never gonna run around and desert you.”
24. “Never gonna make you cry.”
25. “Never gonna say goodbye.”
26. “Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.”
27.”Never truly believe anything you read on the Internet. There will always be cases of Poe’s Law.”

It’s these teachings that I’ve spent my life learning, believing and becoming, that have made me the woman that I am today.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: palmer_eldritch on September 11, 2008, 02:59:49 PM
Lantyssa's Empire is my bestest buddies. But Shavnir's empire has declared war on us and Reg's empire stopped trading and is also probably going to declare war. You guys are so mean.

edit:
I restarted a new civilization due to being ganged-up on in Space.  It got annoying having to return to my home planet every two minutes to defend it from the three civilizations who hate me.
This. This is annoying, I guess this is where they try to add game for all the people bitching here about it not being gamey enough (and who wouldn't like it anyway). I want to do some trading, some exploring, some planet building and sculpting. Instead I'm dealing with Shavnir and Reg skull-fucking my 3-empire alliance because we haven't pumped out warships.

Um, is it possible to build warships?? That would help a lot of it is possible. I thought it was just the player and their fleet (the ships you get from allies).

I find being at war with more than one empire at a time is a real pain. It seems to be generally possible to keep them sweet if you start off on the right foot, though. Say hello when you first enter their space, give them some cash, do a mission to them and you're fine. Later on you can blast them with a happy ray which makes them like you more, or put an embassy on their planet.

Simply going to talk to them and trading with them every so often seems to make them like you too.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 11, 2008, 03:03:37 PM
Lantyssa's Empire is my bestest buddies. But Shavnir's empire has declared war on us and Reg's empire stopped trading and is also probably going to declare war. You guys are so mean.
Which one of mine?  I'm so proud of all of them, but I'm curious.

I've got Meeps all over the damn place with the Floranna.  Ran into them in creature stage, on the tribal map, and it seems every other planet.  No sentient ones yet, but it's only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 11, 2008, 03:12:45 PM
I'm shocked that my guys would declare war on anybody. I've made two races and they're both peaceful, friendly herbivores! I use Meeps as one of my standard animals to spread around when terraforming and am best buddies with the Floranna. The Floranna have great ships. They're only ally I have that doesn't die instantly in a fight.

My worst enemies are the Freedom Sharks. Do they belong to one of us?

I was having a lot of trouble with the space stage of the game. I just can't get the hang of the radar so when I get sent to kill off the 5 glow in the dark animals to avoid ecological catastrophe while a timer counts down in the background it causes me massive frustration.  I cured that by completely ignoring such things. After a few species go extinct there's a final mission that tells me to stabilize the ecology by restocking the planet. I fly over, dump a load of Meeps and bask in the admiration of my allies. :)

Another sometime buddy is the Cenophite Empire. Is that one of yours Aez?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 11, 2008, 03:21:07 PM
Floranna, and they have a ship in my fleet, too! You'll also be happy to know your empire is that atrocious awful loud pink :) Mine is a nice dark Murple.

My Meepship pretty much sucks, I was just in a hurry to explore space last night. Decent HPs, though, I guess.

Reg, I did try to bribe your Bortax but they jumped Lantyssa's empire and took over an arm of her territory, so she kept asking me to join the fight. When I did you started to whomp both of us with a big fleet. Either I'm slow or the AI might cheat a bit, since everyone seems to have big fleets and tons of systems, I've got two ships in my fleet and three systems.

I am getting the hang of it finally, I restarted before the big war (didn't save on exit) and so far it's still a border skirmish. Trying to make nice with Shavnir's Seren empire, too.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 11, 2008, 03:34:22 PM
My enemies all have enormous fleets as well. Hang in there. If you survive long enough to unlock a few weapons upgrades you and one or two friends can easily whip a big fleet of bad guys.

I entered the game to see who belonged to what. The intelligent races I'm involved all belong to people in here. The Cenorite Empire who I'm friendly with and the Space Sharks (who are bad and evil) both belong to Yoru. From Aez I've got the happy friendly Spaezian Empire and of course the Floranna from Lantyssa.  Some of the animals I have are early versions of your intelligent races like the Meeps.

Hmm, I just unlocked the Monolilth special. Maybe I'll use it to evolve the Meeps to sentience.  :awesome_for_real:

Oh another tip. When you shoot down an enemy ship it often drops loot that if you tractor it into your hold is worth 5,000 - 10,000 bucks. I would never have noticed except for reading about it over at QT3.

And another.  When you drop a plant or animal onto a planet while terraforming it instantly fully populates the planet. What this means is that you can safely tractor the guy you just dropped right back into your hold without doing any harm. So you only need to carry one of each type to save space in your hold.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 11, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
My worst enemies are the Freedom Sharks. Do they belong to one of us?

I was having a lot of trouble with the space stage of the game. I just can't get the hang of the radar so when I get sent to kill off the 5 glow in the dark animals to avoid ecological catastrophe while a timer counts down in the background it causes me massive frustration.  I cured that by completely ignoring such things. After a few species go extinct there's a final mission that tells me to stabilize the ecology by restocking the planet. I fly over, dump a load of Meeps and bask in the admiration of my allies. :)

Another sometime buddy is the Cenophite Empire. Is that one of yours Aez?

Sup. Cenorites and Freedom Sharks are me. :-)

The Freedom Sharks I created in the editor because I was going for a very specific look, so they have no preset personality. They're based off of an office injoke. :-) I think using the carnivore jaws predisposes them towards being either of the two big aggressive types (zealot & force).

The Cenorites are my powergamed race with the perfect set of attributes for my playstyle in the space age. They swing pretty widely between aggressive and passive over their history, ending up as Ecologists in my game. I'm not sure if those attributes cross over entirely - I have Joe's race (the Will Smifs) in one of my early games, and they came out as Scientists in mine, whereas he said they were force/warmonger dudes in his.

I have a number of F13 races on my planets. I know I've encountered two Spaezian empires in my Cenorite game, one of which I left alone, the other I turned into allies. I've run into a number of F13 nonsentients and buildings; Lant's Dragorann buildings are all over my universe for some reason.

I should genocide out a star cluster and set up a bunch of planets populated with uplifted F13 races, maybe see which ones conquer the others. I also found Sol and turned Earth into a zoo planet; perhaps I should keep some of them there, too.

Edit: Also, Spode help you all whenever I finish evolving the Frobozzians. They make the Freedom Sharks look like cute harmless pandas.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 11, 2008, 04:42:18 PM
please tell me this game isn't genocide == FTW.  What are the win conditions?

Please tell me this is a joke. This has to be a joke.

Win conditions. Will Wright. ... Win conditions.

Srsly?

Srsly.  Not win, but is it the case that carnivores are the OP?  More clearly, does the game only lend itself to winning via violence or is there a non-violent alternative.  Can you grow a race without nuking others?  Just asking.  The box has arrived.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 11, 2008, 05:35:58 PM
Srsly.  Not win, but is it the case that carnivores are the OP?  More clearly, does the game only lend itself to winning via violence or is there a non-violent alternative.  Can you grow a race without nuking others?  Just asking.  The box has arrived.
My herbivores are doing pretty well with making peace.  I had to bribe a few races :sad: and run a few missions, but things are going well now.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 11, 2008, 05:37:30 PM
The Cenorites are my powergamed race with the perfect set of attributes for my playstyle in the space age. They swing pretty widely between aggressive and passive over their history, ending up as Ecologists in my game. I'm not sure if those attributes cross over entirely - I have Joe's race (the Will Smifs) in one of my early games, and they came out as Scientists in mine, whereas he said they were force/warmonger dudes in his.

The Cenorites are big ecologists in my galaxy too. It's kind of interesting. I did a couple of missions for them to get them to open a trade route with me early in the game.  They were a real pain in the ass because every 10 minutes I'd get a message saying they didn't like me anymore and were considering shutting down trade and I'd have to drop everything and do another mission. Eventually I just said screw it and ignored them.

After a couple of hours of playing I started getting new messages from them. I'd click the message and they'd give me a nice gift. The only thing I can figure out is that I'm getting much more into the terraforming now and it's made them like me.

Note to Soln: My guys never killed anyone in any of the stages before space. They got a couple of special badges for being pussies.  There's no avoiding fighting in the Space phase of the game though. The Pirates and the Grox can't be reasoned with.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Shavnir on September 11, 2008, 07:38:40 PM
Lantyssa's Empire is my bestest buddies. But Shavnir's empire has declared war on us and Reg's empire stopped trading and is also probably going to declare war. You guys are so mean.

The green locusts?  Its kind of funny, due to a stupid mistake on my part (you can only save during the space phase in orbit or above) I actually don't have the save of when they went spacefaring...so it appears /dev/null is actually a stargate.

Or something.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Jade Falcon on September 11, 2008, 08:09:45 PM

Quote
Srsly.  Not win, but is it the case that carnivores are the OP?  More clearly, does the game only lend itself to winning via violence or is there a non-violent alternative.  Can you grow a race without nuking others?  Just asking.  The box has arrived.

Pretty much what you'd expect from Wil Wright,any way you want to play it is viable with some thought and planning.I haven't tried it yet but I saw the options to have your allies/friends declare war on others for you so it seems you can just go the route of sitting back and letting others do the dirty work while you run a economic or religious take over of the world/galaxy.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: MisterNoisy on September 12, 2008, 06:58:20 AM
please tell me this game isn't genocide == FTW.  What are the win conditions?

Please tell me this is a joke. This has to be a joke.

Win conditions. Will Wright. ... Win conditions.

Srsly?

Srsly.  Not win, but is it the case that carnivores are the OP?  More clearly, does the game only lend itself to winning via violence or is there a non-violent alternative.  Can you grow a race without nuking others?  Just asking.  The box has arrived.

I've had a much easier time of it (especially through the first 3 stages) with omnivores that just happen to have big teeth.  I know the omnivore sucking tube is way OP in cell mode, and not having to murder everything in creature mode just to stay alive makes it a lot easier.

I've had the same experience with the Meeps - they're EVERYWHERE, but they're pretty much harmless no matter which era you run into them in.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 12, 2008, 07:56:24 AM
My enemies all have enormous fleets as well. Hang in there. If you survive long enough to unlock a few weapons upgrades you and one or two friends can easily whip a big fleet of bad guys.

Oh another tip. When you shoot down an enemy ship it often drops loot that if you tractor it into your hold is worth 5,000 - 10,000 bucks. I would never have noticed except for reading about it over at QT3.

And another.  When you drop a plant or animal onto a planet while terraforming it instantly fully populates the planet. What this means is that you can safely tractor the guy you just dropped right back into your hold without doing any harm. So you only need to carry one of each type to save space in your hold.
Yeah, since the "reload", I've pissed off Shavnir's guys again. They are naturally pissy but I stole an artifact from their homeworld before I knew that soured relations. Woops. Lantyssa and I have been fending off their invasions, but I had to let Lantyssa hang out to dry against Reg this time. She's doing quite well, though, and still expanding into space behind her. The problem is more that whenever I'm in the local area, there are invasions every five minutes. I waited so long to colonize worlds, there aren't really any new worlds to expand to in my area, so I'm terraforming the three systems I own already, but it is tough when I'm also called away to fend off these invasions all the time. I peeked at the official boards and it seems a common complaint.

If you have your radar active, after you defeat a foe, it'll ping the loot drop. Makes it easy to find lootz after a longer global battle. The other tip, about populating, is a GREAT idea.
Edit: Also, Spode help you all whenever I finish evolving the Frobozzians. They make the Freedom Sharks look like cute harmless pandas.
I decided to start a hostile race for when I want to blow off steam after the Meeps get stomped :) FEAR THE SPORKS! (git it, space orks, spore, SPORKS!)

On "winning". I find it odd that they expanded from the initial duality of the cell/creature/tribal phases to a triality of military/religious/economic for the civ phase but then revert to economic/military for space. As a religious/entertainment race, it kinda leaves the Meeps in the cold. Since, as I mentioned, I'm stuck between several pretty large empires, my only hope for expansion is either buying out systems or conquering them. Odd.
I've had the same experience with the Meeps - they're EVERYWHERE, but they're pretty much harmless no matter which era you run into them in.
Meep zep du mip em wibble nips, den Meeps BAM ZTAB!  :drill:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 12, 2008, 07:57:33 AM
Btw, even with all the flaws that a game of this scope must have, I fucking love it. Not to mention the Sims formula (expansion ad nauseum) is the PERFECT way to flesh out such a massive undertaking.

edit: Also, you can get the advanced rotate handles by holding down tab in the creators. I assume you know that holding alt and dragging a part copies it. I forgot the one to pull a joint off a limb, though, to use an upper arm for a neck, f'rinstance.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 12, 2008, 11:56:21 AM
edit: Also, you can get the advanced rotate handles by holding down tab in the creators. I assume you know that holding alt and dragging a part copies it. I forgot the one to pull a joint off a limb, though, to use an upper arm for a neck, f'rinstance.
Ctrl lets you sever limbs.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 12, 2008, 12:51:25 PM
I figgered. Good video through the official community portal on painting. I had heard most of the creator stuff, but didn't know any of the paint stuff.

Alt = eyedropper
3: modifies dropper to pick up color only
4: modifies dropper to pick up texture only
5: resets default dropper behaviour

Crtl = Paint all same parts (all the gothic windows, but not porthole windows, for instance)
1: modifies ctrl to paint all similar parts (all windows or all doors, all trim, etc)
2: resets default ctrl behaviour

Shift = Paint all parts of that section of model

Good vid to watch, though. He makes little cubes of his most used colors for complex stuff so he can just eyedropper off them, then delete them when he's done with the model.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: DaZog on September 12, 2008, 02:19:20 PM
Buddy name = dazog

If it works, that is. The spore site seems to think it doesn't exist  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hutch on September 12, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
Looks like it's working now. I think their server threw up earlier today, I was getting server 500 errors before.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 12, 2008, 06:43:18 PM
I'm up to the tribal phase and so far this game sucks.

I have never seen pathfinding this terrible.  A mountain pass seemingly wide enough for your guys to pass two-abreast is an insurmountable obstacle.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Trippy on September 12, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Spore manual lies about allowing multiple accounts per install:

http://techdirt.com/articles/20080912/0031172248.shtml


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lamaros on September 12, 2008, 07:47:25 PM
Wrong thread. Whoops. I blame sickness.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 12, 2008, 09:42:52 PM
Quote
That section in the manual was a misprint and will be corrected in future printings of the manual. There is one Spore registration/account per game/serial code so you are correct in that you cannot make multiple accounts at this time.
Eat Shit EA.

I hope your game crashes and burns.

Oh wait, I don't have to hope.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Trippy on September 12, 2008, 10:06:12 PM
I like how they claim it's a misprint. Almost certainly it was allowed in some version and then a EA bigwig heard about that and realized that would cost them money and told them to take it out but they didn't have a chance to reprint the manuals.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Calantus on September 12, 2008, 10:46:28 PM
So EA is evil again? Good to know, I was getting a little confused there.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 12, 2008, 10:59:23 PM
The more I read about this game, the less interested I become in ever playing it.

Yet, at the same time, the more I read about it, the more I feel like I am going to have to pirate a copy out of general principle.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 12:20:36 AM
I pirated it, and I'm glad I didn't pay because I'd totally feel ripped off right now.  Everything somehow manages to feel dumbed-down and cluttered at the same time.

Microbe phase:  If this were a Flash game I'd think it was pretty nifty.  This was probably the most directly fun part of the game.  You sit down, and within a minute or two you're swimming around eating stuff and evolving your creature.  This and the next phase REALLY remind me of EVO for SNES.

Creature phase:  Getting bodyparts and modifying your creature is fun, but a lot of this is just you tediously eating creatures via MMO-style combat.  Eventually when you're running with a pack and some of the other species are fighting each other this is kind of neat.

Tribal phase:  Shitty watered-down RTS.  Kill the red village, now kill the blue village, now kill the... etc...  I do like the way your creatures still use all their special attacks from the previous phase, but overall this was my least favorite part thus far.

Civilization phase:  Less shitty but still watered-down RTS.  Kill the red nation, now kill the blue nation...  You design one ground unit, one air unit, and one sea unit type.  That's it.  Since modifications to my creature always had a lot of direct meaningful effect on gameplay, I spent a good chunk of time coming up with a well-designed ground vehicle complete with a tailgun for shooting things behind it.  Then the first time I went into combat I realized that all vehicles fire auto-homing poofs of light into the air and it didn't matter how I designed them.  All that matters is the overall proportion of health/speed/damage.  Just get 4 cities so you can build air units and then pew-pew everyone else to death from the sky.

Space phase:  I just started this one, but so far it's looking like a micromanagement nightmare of playing an empire-building game by physically flying your avatar to every city on every colony and telling them to build houses and shit.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 13, 2008, 12:42:51 AM
It was a flash game -- cell game == flOw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlOw) [original game is here (http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/), then on PS3] (where the designer worked under Wright for a bit then left 2007)

And civ game == Populous: the Beginning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous:_The_Beginning)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/Populous_overworld.png)


I still would like to try Spore.

But it's sad/ironic what's happened -- any game that I really admire I reinstall and continually replay.  I kind of want it around to reinstall and replay even for a few minutes.  Like an old book.  Can't do that with Spore possibly.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 13, 2008, 12:59:23 AM
Half the fun of the game is being online and seeing stuff that other people make. With only one account per game it's practically like an MMO. All of the other nonsense like three installs per account is massive overkill.

I'm enjoying the same but I think I can safely say that this has less replayability than any Will Wright game I've ever owned.  Even mediocre ones like SimAnt kept me amused for months but I don't see that happening here.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 01:08:53 AM
I dunno, SimEarth was pretty lame.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 13, 2008, 02:35:11 AM
I liked SimEarth too. I've liked all of his games and although I liked Spore as well I found it disappointing especially after all of the hype.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Azazel on September 13, 2008, 04:24:15 AM
I didn't mean I'll pirate it to actually play It doesn't seem worth my time. I meant to pirate it just to say "fuck you and your DRM, EA".


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 05:12:18 AM
So.  I played some space mode.  It's awesome.

I need to learn how to terraform a planet back together after I suck all the air off to kill everyone on it, Spaceballs style.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 13, 2008, 09:08:01 AM
Terraforming is truly awesome especially after you unlock the permanent tools that you don't have to pay 150k a pop to use. But yea, Space is where the real game is.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 13, 2008, 10:44:03 AM
I just unlocked the energy-driven terraforming tools last night and I was all like  :ye_gods:  :drill:

My guys at Mission Control keep telling me to go colonize other star systems, but fuck them.  I'm going to go put MONKEYS on the fucking MOON.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 13, 2008, 11:07:19 AM
I just unlocked the energy-driven terraforming tools last night and I was all like  :ye_gods:  :drill:

My guys at Mission Control keep telling me to go colonize other star systems, but fuck them.  I'm going to go put MONKEYS on the fucking MOON.

SOLD. I AM SO BUYING THIS GAME.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Murgos on September 13, 2008, 12:08:31 PM
I pirated it, and I'm glad I didn't pay because I'd totally feel ripped off right now.  Everything somehow manages to feel dumbed-down and cluttered at the same time.

Microbe phase:  If this were a Flash game I'd think it was pretty nifty.  This was probably the most directly fun part of the game.  You sit down, and within a minute or two you're swimming around eating stuff and evolving your creature.  This and the next phase REALLY remind me of EVO for SNES.

Creature phase:  Getting bodyparts and modifying your creature is fun, but a lot of this is just you tediously eating creatures via MMO-style combat.  Eventually when you're running with a pack and some of the other species are fighting each other this is kind of neat.

Tribal phase:  Shitty watered-down RTS.  Kill the red village, now kill the blue village, now kill the... etc...  I do like the way your creatures still use all their special attacks from the previous phase, but overall this was my least favorite part thus far.

Civilization phase:  Less shitty but still watered-down RTS.  Kill the red nation, now kill the blue nation...  You design one ground unit, one air unit, and one sea unit type.  That's it.  Since modifications to my creature always had a lot of direct meaningful effect on gameplay, I spent a good chunk of time coming up with a well-designed ground vehicle complete with a tailgun for shooting things behind it.  Then the first time I went into combat I realized that all vehicles fire auto-homing poofs of light into the air and it didn't matter how I designed them.  All that matters is the overall proportion of health/speed/damage.  Just get 4 cities so you can build air units and then pew-pew everyone else to death from the sky.

Space phase:  I just started this one, but so far it's looking like a micromanagement nightmare of playing an empire-building game by physically flying your avatar to every city on every colony and telling them to build houses and shit.

So, what your saying is that you have enjoyed it so much that you have spent hours unlocking all the phases?  And this justifies you pirating it how?

Because, you know, like, if it actually sucked, you wouldn't be playing it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 12:52:07 PM
I am never playing those other phases again.  I spent a few hours slogging through them to reach the space phase, which is indeed to my liking.  So I guess ethically I should run out and buy a box of Spore.  And then throw it in the trash, I guess, since I don't see the need to screw with the DRM when I already have it installed.

So anyway, yeah, I know how to move the little dot around the bullseye, but how do you stabilize the environment?  I know you have to plunk living things down.  I know there's a way to insta-populate the planet with something so you don't need a hold full of 5000 trees and monkeys and shit.  I just don't know how it works.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 13, 2008, 03:36:40 PM
Fill up the little ecosystem slots from left to right.  You don't need 5000 different species, just six per terraforming level - one small plant, one medium plant, one large plant, two herbivores, one carnivore/omnivore.  And you only need one individual of each; putting one down will insta-populate the planet as long as the ecosystem has an open slot for it.

I haven't gotten to the stage of carefully planning out my ecosystems yet. My system is to fly to a random planet, scoop up one of each thing I need, and fly back to my terraforming project.  The flying to a random planet each time means I don't have to keep careful track of what I've already put down (since it's got to be a new species).

My theory on space is that the way to keep from having lots of micromanagement shit to do is not to get involved in any fights.  Fly the fedex missions and do lots of trading; this gets you money to spend on sandbox tools and it keeps everyone happy with you.  If someone asks you to help them in a fight against anything but Grox or pirates, politely ignore them; you can make it up to them by doing a fedex mission later, but helping them against another empire just means that sooner or later that empire's going to be raiding your colonies.  To deal with belligerent empires that demand tribute, lay the fedex treatment on thick so you can form trade routes and alliances as quickly as possible.  I've been doing this with my second game and I've been pretty successful at keeping everyone happy with me and having a minimum of distress calls to answer.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 13, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
The easiest way to keep everyone happy with you is to terraform their planets for them.  It's only worth doing once you have the energy based tools but if you raise one of their T0 colonies to T1 they will become quite happy with you.  You don't even have to stabilize it by dropping plants and animals.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 13, 2008, 04:46:14 PM
an other question: 

when you refer to others are these other players MMO style, or only players on your buddy list?  Or NPC's?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
I've just started stomping empires that piss me off.  I just zoom in low over their cities, weather their fire while my auto-cannon shoots back, and dump bombs on the city center until the whole thing blows up.  Once they're all dead I drop a colony and repair myself.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 13, 2008, 07:21:05 PM
I find antimatter bombs dropped from low orbit take care of belligerents quite nicely if your aim is anywhere near decent. Or mega-bombs if they're not a big enough threat to spend money on antimatter.

I just wish you could buy more than 2 antimatter bombs at a time from a single colony. Flying between colonies to stock up sucks.

The real wart in the space phase is that more planets = more tedious micromanagement/less time for fun. The "optimal" strategy involves getting a small cluster of systems that are very high-value and a small set of allies (to buy shit cheaply and act as a buffer zone), then clearing out any warlike races you encounter before they can become a threat. Neutral and happy races you can just leave be; they won't demand shit of you.

With better management tools, a realistic way to stop the endless Grox invasions after you make contact with them, and addition of ways to curtail minimission generation, the late space phase would be a lot better as a sandbox.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: climbjtree on September 13, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
I seem to be having trouble with the advanced tools in the creature creator. Holding down tab doesn't do let me truncate limbs, and whatever other things I try don't work either. Halp?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 13, 2008, 09:20:33 PM
Tab is for the extra rotate/resize handles, not for limb-tearing.  Select a part and hold down Tab, and you should see a bunch of extra circles and arrows spring up around it.

To tear a limb, hold down Ctrl, grab one of the sections by the middle (not the joint, the space between the joints), and pull it off.

If you can't figure it out, go to Youtube and find a tutorial to see it in action.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 13, 2008, 11:53:20 PM
Being able to make any creature you can imagine and have it walk around and emote and fight in a logical manner is brilliant.  Being able to zoom, in a matter of seconds, from a shot of the entire galaxy all the way down to a view Bob on planet Flemdark chasing a space deer is brilliant.  Either of these things could be the hook for an entire game all by itself.  I don't know why Wright tried to do both at once while also making you sit through a heaping shitpile of RTS-lite crap.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Surlyboi on September 14, 2008, 09:07:47 AM
Eh, I like it. Well, I sort of liked it before I jumped through a wormhole and got lost on the other side of the galaxy, suddenly turning my game of spore into the worst of the Star Trek series.  :ye_gods:




Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: climbjtree on September 14, 2008, 09:37:38 AM
Has anyone run into my creations? I have a lot of people added, but I *always* run into Lantyssa's and Samwise's creations.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 14, 2008, 10:14:35 AM
I just ran into the Space Cat civilization this morning.  They have the oddest little space ship. It looks like a big white refrigerator.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Moaner on September 14, 2008, 10:54:14 AM
I was having a great time last night.  I made a little race of snake people and finished the first RTS part.  I was particularly proud of my snake people as I had unlocked all the bull shit in creature mode and they look pretty damn cool if I don't say so myself.  Then, about half way through the civ stage my game crashed.  I didn't realize the game doesn't autosave at the end of each of the stages so now I'm back at the beginning of creature mode, with nothing unlocked.

So, I may be done with Spore for a while.  I have NO desire to unlock all the bullshit again and the RTS and Civ parts are boring.  I'd really like to see the space stage but I'm too angry at the game right now. 

Is there any way to skip all the bullshit, create your stuff in the editor, and import it all directly into the space part without trudging through all the boring crap?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: climbjtree on September 14, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
I just ran into the Space Cat civilization this morning.  They have the oddest little space ship. It looks like a big white refrigerator.

Heh, the Cats! I was messing around last night trying to create some sort of feline creature. I wasn't pleased with the result, and was kind of bummed that there aren't any good feline mouths or eyes.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 14, 2008, 11:55:04 AM
Moaner, I think you should be able to start a new game directly at the civilization phase since you've unlocked it, and design a fresh creature with all parts available.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Moaner on September 14, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
Awesome.  Thanks WUA!  I kept trying to continue on with my old planet.  It didn't occur to me to try to start on another one.  I guess it's time to create a new race and continue on towards space.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 14, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
Oh, I know a cheat for space mode.

CTRL+SHIFT+C = open console
moreMoney = adds like a million bucks

This takes a lot of the grind out of it, and you do still have to do stuff to unlock badges before you have the right to buy the better items, so it's not like the game is instantly trivialized.  Though I kinda wish it were.  I wanna play this like a toy, not a game.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Moaner on September 14, 2008, 01:04:01 PM
I too want to play it as a toy, not a game.  What I really want is something like an aquarium.  I want to be able to casually create stuff, plunk it in my galaxy, sit back, and just watch what happens.  I'll get my gamey bits elsewhere, thanks.

What's odd is that I blew off Spore because I didn't think it was going to be enough of an actual game to suit my tastes.  It turned out that, even though I've never been a fan of non-games or creating visual art, I'm more interested in the social interactions between the races/critters and creating new ones than I am 'playing the game'.  Will Wright is frickin brilliant.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: climbjtree on September 14, 2008, 04:05:06 PM
Behold, ze jackalope!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vQ8tD0Ql8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vQ8tD0Ql8k)

Really, I'm just impressed that you can upload video directly to youtube from in-game.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 14, 2008, 05:22:20 PM
I'm sure I'll be seeing him soon. I've already run across the sentient version of Aez's Zoz.  It's a good thing they didn't look in my cargo hold and see that missing ancestor that I've been using to terraform half the galaxy.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 14, 2008, 05:54:06 PM
Creature sharing is my favorite feature.  It's funny meeting all your creatures.

I restarted my space game today, I'm doing so much better on my second run. I started a war way too soon in the other one.  It's really hard to conquer a planet with  basic weaponry.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Jade Falcon on September 14, 2008, 06:06:52 PM
Behold, ze jackalope!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vQ8tD0Ql8k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vQ8tD0Ql8k)

Really, I'm just impressed that you can upload video directly to youtube from in-game.



lol that's pretty close to the one I made Jack-a-lope (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500055633565)



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hutch on September 14, 2008, 09:34:05 PM
Oh look what I found in My Documents / My Spore Creations / AnimatedAvatars

(http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_green.gif) (http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_gets_arms.gif) (http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_tank.gif) (http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_space.gif) (http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_city_hall.gif)

It must record those automatically. I asked the creature creator to record this one:
(http://files.blog-city.com/files/J05/90775/p/f/malt_dance.gif)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 14, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
I too want to play it as a toy, not a game.  What I really want is something like an aquarium.  I want to be able to casually create stuff, plunk it in my galaxy, sit back, and just watch what happens.  I'll get my gamey bits elsewhere, thanks.

What's odd is that I blew off Spore because I didn't think it was going to be enough of an actual game to suit my tastes.  It turned out that, even though I've never been a fan of non-games or creating visual art, I'm more interested in the social interactions between the races/critters and creating new ones than I am 'playing the game'.  Will Wright is frickin brilliant.

Yeah, this needed fewer shitty RTS modes and one real Darwin Pond update mode.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Xerapis on September 15, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
True that. My biggest unhappy point with Spore is that I can't make the creatures BOTH look exactly the way I want AND have awesome abilities. Some of the coolest feet are the slowest, cool mouths are weak, etc.

And they need a "add as decoration" option, so it doesn't overly increase complexity (another annoying feature I wish I could shut off) or cost so much. Although, CTRL + SHIFT + C addDNA takes care of that cost thing.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: MisterNoisy on September 15, 2008, 02:47:01 PM
Has anyone run into my creations? I have a lot of people added, but I *always* run into Lantyssa's and Samwise's creations.

The Tobbys had a *very* short life in one of my tribal phases, but I blame that on their decision to start stealing food. ;)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 15, 2008, 05:42:05 PM
Yeah, the restarting a creation thing is not at all obvious. My second solid race of guys I was trying to make a sort of demon thing, but I wanted to do almost pure economic in the Civ phase (did military first time). I fucked it up and basically got stuck in an economic city that couldn't do anything for the moment--no one would attack me, I couldn't get enough spice bucks to buy anybody, and the only other people on my continent hated me just enough that they wouldn't trade with me and couldn't be bribed into liking me enough, and then some fucking Godzilla epic was sitting in my city slow-motion raping it. For a while, I was like, fuuuck, I don't want to have to design these assholes again. Then I realized you could just plunk them on another planet and then leave the impossible city alone.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 16, 2008, 03:50:01 AM
Well, I'm done.  The space part kept me interested for a little while longer, but the interface is just too terrible.  The barely-visible little lines showing the connection between your systems, the total lack of text labels anywhere, the lack of a simple diplomacy screen showing a list of enemies and allies...

The whole interface is designed to look cool in a demo while conveying almost no information.  Trying to remember how many allies I have and not being able to find out easily is fucking stupid.  How about nice thick lines connecting all my systems, big green and red boxes around allied and enemy systems, and nametags over each system along with an icon indicating whether it's populated and the tech stage of the natives.  Oh, and a fixed flat map I can refer to when I click on a message, get wheeled around, and lose track of exactly which little dot I was on my way to.

But no, we're being artsy-fartsy and cool with this game.  It has to look like God's aquarium, not a lowly computer program with clearly presented information.  Bah.

Hooray for piracy.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Murgos on September 16, 2008, 08:23:04 AM
Well, I'm done.  The space part kept me interested for a little while longer, but the interface is just too terrible.

Hooray for piracy.

The game entertained you through about a week of fanbois level posting and you're actually going sit there and mouth off about how worthless the experience was?

If the game actually hadn't been reasonable you just wouldn't have played it.  The indignant self-justification act is amazing.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 16, 2008, 10:07:40 AM
I've got a new race of awesome to share.  Once I get the internet back at home.  Sporians will be delighted with it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 16, 2008, 10:14:43 AM
Yea really WUA, you may be done with the game now but I'd say you enjoyed it more than enough that you shouldn't be crowing about having stolen it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 16, 2008, 11:41:07 AM
So my first race to make it to space is already a tad gimped, so I started a new one.

Now I wish I'd spent time digging up this thread and reading the whole thing. I skimmed the manual, but missed all of the extra features and handles and junk that the alt and ctrl buttons provide. Now I'm tempted to abandon this new Civ mode race and start yet another where I can really mess with the parts and whatnot.

I have a ton of everyone's creatures in my second time through, as that's when I added the people who posted in the buddy list thread. The Mr Bart race and one of Lantyssa's were some of my allies in creature mode. I've found that if you just look at the chart in the beginning of the manual, you can plan a gamepath that gives you the stuff you want before you start. This time, I started as herbivore, then descended down to adaptable at the end of creature, and barely managed to keep myself out of a religious society and into econ for the civ mode.

I really like sending hordes of land vehicles to speed the buyout time on other cities.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on September 16, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
Did you forget to buy the strategy guide?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 16, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
Wasn't aware that there was one.

I like to play a bit before I go and buy a guide. It's not like starting over is that hard. You can get to Civ mode in 2 hours.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 16, 2008, 12:27:38 PM
It really IS a great design tool. I was dicking around last night and made these guys (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500074552789), who I am just loving to bits--the way they move amuses me, and turning their hands inward just really clicked somehow.

Does the eye-dropper work on creatures as well as buildings and vehicles? I can't seem to get it to, and I'm frustrated by not being able to paint really specific small features on the creatures.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Stephen Zepp on September 16, 2008, 12:33:31 PM
I wish I could play :(

The "new" forums doesn't even have a tech support section, so I can't even see if/when it gets patched--if anyone hears of one please let the rest of us know!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 16, 2008, 12:45:05 PM
Why can't you play Stephen?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 16, 2008, 12:46:55 PM
Broke down and bought it today… …CE (y, I a sucker for those deals that just are bundled with a harder box cover and a book of concept art…) to boot… …tried to buy at mall last weekend, but it was sold out at Apple Store and GameStop…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Stephen Zepp on September 16, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
Why can't you play Stephen?

The game crashes consistently as soon as I attempt to start a game. I've been through just about every "hey, I think I found a fix" tactic that exists on the internet, no dice.

It's -probably- a compatibility issue with Dell drivers for the 8600 laptop video card I have, or possibly the on board sound--no one seems to know though.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 16, 2008, 01:31:20 PM
The game entertained you through about a week of fanbois level posting and you're actually going sit there and mouth off about how worthless the experience was?

If the game actually hadn't been reasonable you just wouldn't have played it.  The indignant self-justification act is amazing.

Two days of "I will get through this crap to get to the fun part!" followed by a day of "Wow this is fun!" then a day of "No, the interface is too awful!" and never playing again?  Yeah, that leaves me glad I stole it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Teleku on September 16, 2008, 01:57:29 PM
Eh, I like it. Well, I sort of liked it before I jumped through a wormhole and got lost on the other side of the galaxy, suddenly turning my game of spore into the worst of the Star Trek series.  :ye_gods:
I didn't know that happened in Enterprise  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: KallDrexx on September 17, 2008, 04:37:36 AM
It's -probably- a compatibility issue with Dell drivers for the 8600 laptop video card I have, or possibly the on board sound--no one seems to know though.

Go to laptopvideo2go.com and get real nvidia drivers for that.  Dell (or any other laptop manufacturer) drivers are crap compared to real nvidia drivers.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 17, 2008, 05:58:44 PM
Zero Punctuation take on Spore (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/218-Spore)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 17, 2008, 06:22:02 PM
Zero Punctuation take on Spore (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/218-Spore)

Kind of funny, thought about posting earlier, but more than half of that video is just ad spam…

Did get to play w/Spore just a little bit, got into creature stage…

Pretty game, but definitely not worth all the advance hoopla… …and while it runs like a charm on MBP (though it takes forever to launch), really irritated at the tiny font size in the Spore Guide that it doesn't appear that I can modify…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on September 18, 2008, 04:59:51 AM
Bought it, love it.  Will throw you guys on my buddy list once I have a steady 'net connection (hopefully soon!).

Some things are a little bit confusing, such as what exactly all the special abilities are.  My Czech manual is a little difficult to read  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Bunk on September 18, 2008, 06:02:26 AM
I wish I could say I love it, but I don't. I've played up to the start of the Civ stage and that was a few days ago. I have not felt remotely inspired to play more to reach the supposed "fun" space stage.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 18, 2008, 06:51:32 AM
Just grind through it Bunk. You can do it in like 30 minutes. Yours is the first city to appear so immediately claim all of the spice mines you can reach. That puts your competition at a ridiculous disadvantage. Then just make your full quota of land vehicles and take over the rest of the cities on your continent as they appear.  Once you have 4 cities you get to build airplanes and can do the same with the rest of the planet.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samprimary on September 18, 2008, 07:33:45 AM
Boring. Sold.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 18, 2008, 09:40:10 AM
I guess Yahtzee would say this makes me an eight-year old girl, but the design part is interesting enough that it's keeping me engaged even while the weakness in the game parts, especially the Tribal and Civilization stages, keeps me enraged.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 18, 2008, 10:35:27 AM
Civ phase doesn't last long enough to be boring.  You spend more time designing vehicles than you do pew-pewing.

I actually really like the basic idea of the city building in civ/space, with the whole city being a graph that has score values applied to certain nodes and the edges between certain types of nodes.  Optimizing the graph to give you the highest possible score in all stats has the makings of a fun game.  It just doesn't last very long with only three building types and two stats to manage.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Kail on September 18, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
I actually really like the basic idea of the city building in civ/space, with the whole city being a graph that has score values applied to certain nodes and the edges between certain types of nodes.  Optimizing the graph to give you the highest possible score in all stats has the makings of a fun game.  It just doesn't last very long with only three building types and two stats to manage.

Does the city building in the space phase actually do anything?  My capital planet  (with, like, eight cities with two or three factories each) puts out spice slower than my un-upgraded colonies.  Mousing over my income bar, it says I'm making something like 300/hour... 300 what?  300 spice can't be right, I've got to be making several times that, at least.  300 sporebucks can't be right, since each unit of spice sells for at least 225 at it's very cheapest; several planets full of factories has got to give me more money per hour than a ten second "pick it up and sell it right back to them" run through any one of my colonies...

But yeah, I'm really loving this game.  Not that I don't see valid complaints with it, but it's just awesome to see my guys go from cells to Spaceballs with entire planets full of stuff that I've made.  The individual stages are all kind of cheesy, but the whole package taken together is a ton of fun for me.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 18, 2008, 02:54:49 PM
On the capital planet for some reason you have greatly reduced spice production, but you can also build stuff for much cheaper.  Not sure what's up with that.

How you build your colonies does affect how fast spice builds up there, I'm pretty sure.  Before I started maxing out my colonies with factories and whatnot I had to wait much longer for them to max out their warehouses, and now I can't collect it fast enough.  I'm not sure what sort of a role happiness plays, but I'm thinking I don't really want to compound the Grox attacks and ecological disasters with colonist uprisings, so I'll keep on putting those entertainment buildings down.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ingmar on September 18, 2008, 05:16:12 PM
It is really bothersome to me that the mechanic for religion is basically exactly the same as military. Build vehicle, pew pew them with your god beams while they try to shoot you down, take over. I think that is the laziest bit of design I have seen in a long time.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 18, 2008, 06:39:31 PM
Yeah, I wish it were more... subtle?  I dunno.  I think the economic victory path was the best-implemented out of those (if still very shallow and easy).

Also, how come in the civ phase the religous path is the "nonviolent" one that you get by having played as a pacifist the entire game, but in the Space phase all of the religious civilizations you meet are giant warmongers?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Soln on September 18, 2008, 08:01:26 PM
Boring. Sold.


didnt get that far


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 18, 2008, 09:33:47 PM
Space phase shoulda been the whole game.  Give it more depth and let multiple players all play as part of the same empire.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 19, 2008, 10:42:18 AM
http://www.spore.com/patch

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This is a PC only patch. Mac users should check back soon!
Features

    * New Cheat: "evoadvantage". Enter this cheat when are starting a new Creature game to choose any creature from the Sporepedia. Start a new game with one of your more evolved creatures!
    * Display part statistics when you are in Build mode. Rollover any part and hold down the 'i' key.
    * New Cheat: "blocksmode". Turns creatures into their blocky representations.
    * More style filters. Open the cheat window and type: "stylefilter -microscope" or "stylefilter -norainbows" or "stylefilter -nextgen" to see the new styles
    * Added 70 new planet scripts with a low terraform score, especially of the "hot and high atmosphere" type

Graphics/Aesthetics

    * Animation improvements
    * Improved the planets fogging, blooming and lighting
    * Fixed animation issues with tool handling, hand walking and some of the more oddly shaped creatures

Tuning

    * Creature phase: Improved the pacing towards the end of the game, and increased the challenge in Normal and Hard modes.
    * Tribe phase: Increased the challenge in Normal and Hard difficulty modes.
    * Civilization phase: Increased the challenge in Normal and Hard difficulty modes.
    * Space phase: Made Empires in Easy and Normal modes demand reasonable amounts of money in exchange for peace and adjust the level of punishment if the player doesn't pay
    * Space phase: Made disasters less likely to occur in Easy and Normal modes and increased the time between each attack from the enemy empire when the player is at war.

Miscellaneous

    * Creature phase: Improved the way posse members behave during threatening situations and fights.
    * Space phase: Made finding your home world and colonies easier in the Galactic view.
    * Tribe phase: Made it so that tribe members can travel on steep hills if they need to do so now, but their speed will be reduced a lot.
    * Fixed an issue with attacks not working on some bigger animals and larger animals not dying correctly
    * Fixed collect mission not completing correctly when all parts have been collected
    * Fixed problems with the "Rolling Thunder" and "Déjŕ Vu" achievements not being awarded as they should
    * Fixed floating parts not being deducted from the budget when loaded into creator
    * Fixed an issue with the rotation rings not resizing correctly when a part was resized and improved their look
    * Fixed an issue where the terraforming score of planet could differ when revisiting a solar system
    * Fixed the keyboard controls for zoom & pitch in the Colony Planner not working properly
    * Fixed a crash that could occur when watching an epic creature attack a city
    * Fixed some issues where the game would freeze when using the Creature Tweaker tool or when capturing a planet in solar view
    * Fixed an issue where not all tribe members would obey the raid order when a large group was ordered to raid
    * Fixed an issue where banning a creation from one of your other saved games would black out the main menu


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 19, 2008, 11:19:38 AM
I have noticed a distinct decrease in annoying pirate attacks since this patch.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Ingmar on September 19, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
Another bitch from me: additional items of the same type should be heavily discounted or free in the creature editor, since they don't stack their effects. I get no advantage at all from giving a creature an extra set of legs, but I get charged a bunch for that and for matching feet with my other legs. This is stupid. Same thing for little spikes down the back, etc. My desire to make my creature aesthetically interesting is at war with my desire to min/max it statistically.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 19, 2008, 12:59:54 PM
One of my UO buddies got to the Grox and tells me that they have a ridiculous Achilles' Heel that makes it so trivial to kill them that the planet buster is just a waste of money.  Apparently they can only survive on T0 planets, and the instant you move the pointer into the T1 range they all die.  He's busy trying to exterminate their entire empire by flying from world to world and giving them each a little squirt from the appropriate terraforming tool.

I'm honestly surprised there was nothing in this patch dealing with that.  I mean, that's sort of a giant glaring weakness.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 19, 2008, 01:11:58 PM
The thing about Grox and terraforming is intentional. If you want to spend days and weeks exterminating them you can do that.  I understand using planet busters actually makes them like you more.  Weird guys.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 19, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
Since you have to recharge constantly, as well as put down plants so they don't recolonize, it takes about an hour to wipe out 30 planets via terraforming - I know, I tried.

The Grox have some ridiculous number of planets. Probably well into the high hundreds.

You do the math.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 19, 2008, 02:39:39 PM
So it's trivial to kill an entire planet of them, but the game's scale and ridiculous "you are your empire's only spaceship" interface makes it unpracticable.  Why am I not surprised?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: palmer_eldritch on September 19, 2008, 04:35:09 PM
Maybe I could just bust enough of their planets so that they liked me?

You can actually do quests for them, but the positives you get from it are lower than for other races.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 19, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
It's a shame you turned out to hate the game so much after playing it and enjoying it for a week. It's almost like you're trying to justify having stolen it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on September 19, 2008, 09:08:07 PM
I've stolen games that were more fun than Spore.  Fuck what you think.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 20, 2008, 12:24:26 AM
Well I guess that showed me.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 20, 2008, 10:40:24 AM
This is sort of interesting -- if you launch Spore with the command line flag "-state:FloraEditor" you can see a completely unusable plant editor.  As in, you can see some of the parts and get an idea for how it'd work, but it's too glitchy to actually make anything.

It would be really cool if they could fix it up in a patch rather than selling it as part of an expansion.  I won't hold my breath.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 20, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
I'm loving it, but far and away mostly because of the editors. It's fun trying different ways of evolving a species and then completely over-intellectualizing how that'd specific species would create buildings, vehicles and then space stuff.

The game itself has been pretty easy, so much so I'm not entirely sure I'm playing one. I've heard it gets harder in the space phase which I just hit. Heck, I blew through civ phase before I realized I needed to manually select the boat and plane models I wanted to use (prior I couldn't figure out how the enemy was doing that. Probably some dialog box I clicked past or something). Once I had planes, well, I just threw all of the ground stuff at the epic wanderers, did the old school RTS build up and micromanaged the wipeout of the rest of the planet.

Next time I'll go back and continue the herbivore->diplomacy>commerce/trade route just to see.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 20, 2008, 12:41:12 PM
What difficulty setting are you all playing on?

Just about to complete creature phase (haven't had a lot of time to play and I've been pleasantly distracted just in the creator/editor panels, spending hours just building things…)…

Biggest gripe with game thus far is the tiny font size (which appears to be unadjustable) on the Spore Guide…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 20, 2008, 01:58:59 PM
What size is your monitor? I find the font size on the slightly small size at 1620x1080, so can imagine it gets worse at higher resolutions.

Playing on Normal. I may try the carnivore->combat->military path again at hard just to see.

One question I had: in the civ phase I kept paying a neighboring town off. No real reason, I just thought at the time if I kept giving them money they would feel less inclined to attack me. I eventually got to the point where I could roll through them. But afterward I wondered if I hadn't paid them off periodically, would they have attacked me instead of attacking others? I never saw any indication that they liked or hated more or less in their smiley-face/shield icon thingy, but I don't know how granular that scale is (like, was my graft making micro-improvements to the relationship?)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 20, 2008, 03:29:53 PM
What size is your monitor? I find the font size on the slightly small size at 1620x1080, so can imagine it gets worse at higher resolutions.

1680x1050

Set down to 1344x840, but it didn't seem to make much difference…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 20, 2008, 09:51:38 PM
Buddy names, people. BUDDY NAMES!

I'm trying to come up with a good final form for my cat people. Still a bit off, but has a great hunch and prowl.

(http://ll-792.ea.com/spore/static/thumb/500/087/792/500087792686.png)

And mechs are way to easy, so I made a mechaspork
<------

I'm actively playing my Spork game right now, mostly. Salvaged a pretty bad situation where I was getting beaten up pretty badly by multiple empires.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 20, 2008, 11:02:35 PM
I went back to my original Bortax empire now that I actually know how to play the space game. I'd given up on them in disgust because I had two big empires pounding on me every five minutes. Those empires are both gone now. The new Bortax philosophy is one of complete intolerance to the overly aggressive. If you don't have a nice friendly smiley when you meet the peace loving Bortax empire you will be eradicated.

This galaxy is just for vegetarians.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Kail on September 20, 2008, 11:08:40 PM
One question I had: in the civ phase I kept paying a neighboring town off. No real reason, I just thought at the time if I kept giving them money they would feel less inclined to attack me. I eventually got to the point where I could roll through them. But afterward I wondered if I hadn't paid them off periodically, would they have attacked me instead of attacking others? I never saw any indication that they liked or hated more or less in their smiley-face/shield icon thingy, but I don't know how granular that scale is (like, was my graft making micro-improvements to the relationship?)

If you mouse over the nation's little color indicator on the hud (the one that you click on to initiate communications once they've captured at least two cities) it tells you their exact relationship (1-100) with you, as well as a breakdown of all the influences on it (e.g. "You attacked our enemy, +65" "You're a threat to us, -30").  Same thing with mousing over the comm indicator in the space stage.  There's a limit (something like +130, I think) on how much total benefit you can get by giving gifts, but up to that point, I think it does help to give gifts.

Anyways, I'm playing on Normal, too.  Didn't see much difference between the difficulties (they all seemed pretty easy to me, and you're talking to a guy who, for a challenge, might crank the difficulty in Civ IV all the way up to the third easiest setting).  It's easier to die in Hard, it seems, but since you still can't really loose, it's not a big deal.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 21, 2008, 04:59:45 AM
I went back to my original Bortax empire now that I actually know how to play the space game. I'd given up on them in disgust because I had two big empires pounding on me every five minutes. Those empires are both gone now. The new Bortax philosophy is one of complete intolerance to the overly aggressive. If you don't have a nice friendly smiley when you meet the peace loving Bortax empire you will be eradicated.

This galaxy is just for vegetarians.

Same here. If you don't kill off anyone lower than meh-faced, they just keep attacking you.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: lamaros on September 21, 2008, 05:15:44 AM
Why does this game sound like nothing more than a pretty simple RTS when people are discussing it?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 21, 2008, 05:46:16 AM
Because that is what it is?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Triforcer on September 21, 2008, 05:56:00 AM
Why does this game sound like nothing more than a pretty simple RTS when people are discussing it?

Actually, it sounds like:

 (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:7ZMb77sRRrUK2M:http://gaygamer.net/images/642.jpg)

and his original vision. 

EDIT: Removed his name so he doesn't find us in one of his periodic Google searches of his name. 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 21, 2008, 06:40:49 AM
If you mouse over the nation's little color indicator on the hud (the one that you click on to initiate communications once they've captured at least two cities) it tells you their exact relationship (1-100) with you, as well as a breakdown of all the influences on it (e.g. "You attacked our enemy, +65" "You're a threat to us, -30"). 

Thanks!

I made some spaceships and whatnot but decided I was more interested in trying a different track. Got to Tribe phase as a herbivore->social race and it is a very very different game. I like the low-impact nature of decision/result here and the pacing of the outcome. It's like the WoW of turn-based Civ-like games :-)

Why does this game sound like nothing more than a pretty simple RTS when people are discussing it?
Because it is. But that's just the gameplay component. The feeling of ownership comes from how you customize your face and all its parts. A lot of choices are more "world" than "game" though, and the ability to have your world further customized by the choices of your Buddies makes it even more immersive.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 21, 2008, 07:39:55 AM
I also enjoy the 'massively single player' style alot. My Spork posse:

My Spork Marauder, Reg's Angelic Messenger, Mr Noisy's Halycon and Morfien's Arach.

(http://ll-393.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/084/393/500084393189_lrg.png) (http://ll-628.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/029/628/500029628791_lrg.png)
(http://ll-507.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/043/507/500043507878_lrg.png) (http://ll-332.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/057/332/500057332165_lrg.png)
Also, why aren't people posting their Buddy Names?? I'm pretty sure there are a couple people (DQ, naum) who aren't playing the pirated version and are creative people. Makes me sad when some fun races haven't been updated in over a week (Looking at Lantyssa!)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 21, 2008, 08:23:42 AM
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Also, how come in the civ phase the religous path is the "nonviolent" one that you get by having played as a pacifist the entire game, but in the Space phase all of the religious civilizations you meet are giant warmongers?

Oh, sure, get this moved to Politics why don'tcha.  :awesome_for_real:


Sky, I think there's a buddy name thread. I'm obviously CmdrSlack.

Your Meeps are one of my best terraforming tools.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 21, 2008, 08:36:42 AM
Sky, I think there's a buddy name thread. I'm obviously CmdrSlack.
I know, I was looking over people's stuff last night after reading this thread and realized there were some glaring omissions in the buddy thread :)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 21, 2008, 08:47:45 AM
Sky, I think there's a buddy name thread. I'm obviously CmdrSlack.
I know, I was looking over people's stuff last night after reading this thread and realized there were some glaring omissions in the buddy thread :)

Ah, yeah.  After reading this thread, I checked that one and saw that I have new people to add. I guess it's time to start a new game.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 21, 2008, 09:27:06 AM
I made a "f13" sporecast.  It's great.  Over 900 creature/building.  It took me several hours of fighting the spore server...  Be nice, use it and rate it.  I can't even load the sporepedia page right now, if anyone is able to find it with a search, please post a direct link.  It's named f13 .


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 21, 2008, 10:22:07 AM
Ok, so this EA downloader thing is utter crap. I login and nothing shows up on the screen. So how the hell do I find the patch?

Fucking EA.

Edit -- Even yet more stupid. I fire up Spore and it notifies me about the patch. So why the hell did I have to install this download manager?  Fucking bloatware.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 21, 2008, 10:59:09 AM
Launch Spore itself and it'll ask if you want to download and install the patch.

Or, grab from here (http://www.gameborder.com/game/SPORE%20Patch/).

I had the same problem in that EA DM didn't see I needed it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 21, 2008, 11:20:15 AM
I haven't been able to sign onto the Spore server all afternoon so you probably are going to have trouble getting the update.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 21, 2008, 11:25:06 AM
Yea, it's getting crushed under something or other. I'm glad I grabbed the patch yesterday.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 21, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
f13 Sporecast with 900 items from everyone who posted on the buddy list thread (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=st-sc%3Asrch-AezZea)

This is amazing.  Please subscribe to the sporecast, the game is much more enjoyable when 100% of the creatures you meet are from a buddy.  It spices things up.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 21, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
Also, why aren't people posting their Buddy Names?? I'm pretty sure there are a couple people (DQ, naum) who aren't playing the pirated version and are creative people. Makes me sad when some fun races haven't been updated in over a week (Looking at Lantyssa!)

When I figure out how, I will do so…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 21, 2008, 06:23:02 PM
Also, why aren't people posting their Buddy Names?? I'm pretty sure there are a couple people (DQ, naum) who aren't playing the pirated version and are creative people. Makes me sad when some fun races haven't been updated in over a week (Looking at Lantyssa!)

When I figure out how, I will do so…

When you first launched Spore, you probably created a username and whatnot. That username is your My Spore username as well. Go to Spore.com and login. Then click the link that lets you see the public version of your profile. Take that URL and post it in the buddy name thread.

I think that's how I did it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 21, 2008, 07:09:24 PM
One thing I'd like to see added: a way to build a city from the race, building and vehicle choices you made. Just some sort of snowglobe thing, maybe a way to make it a screensaver. This occured to me today when making creatures, buildings and vehicles with my kids. I really had no way to quickly show them the results without having to log in game. I'll hafta play something through to the civ phase but never continue it just to use that as a diorama I suppose.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hutch on September 21, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
I'd like to be able to share music from the city composer. I'd also like to listen to the city music while in outer space.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: DaZog on September 22, 2008, 02:21:38 AM
Curious if anyone has bumped into my critters in space stage. I lost a few to the complexity bug :uhrr: but supposedly, they still show up in games.

Haven't seen any others in space.. YET. But lots in creature and tribal. Tres cool stuff.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on September 22, 2008, 05:46:12 AM
One thing I'd like to see added: a way to build a city from the race, building and vehicle choices you made. Just some sort of snowglobe thing, maybe a way to make it a screensaver. This occured to me today when making creatures, buildings and vehicles with my kids. I really had no way to quickly show them the results without having to log in game. I'll hafta play something through to the civ phase but never continue it just to use that as a diorama I suppose.

This isn't exactly what you're asking, but you can always go to the Sporepedia, click on 'my creations', and you can pull up any of your own stuff real quick.  But not together, which is I think what you're after.

I think I'll hit an internet cafe tomorrow with my laptop and upload my awesome Flarks and Magoth, and download some of the critters here.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morat20 on September 22, 2008, 03:44:45 PM
Curious if anyone has bumped into my critters in space stage. I lost a few to the complexity bug :uhrr: but supposedly, they still show up in games.

Haven't seen any others in space.. YET. But lots in creature and tribal. Tres cool stuff.
Restrict yourself to only buddies, and they show up all the time.

I got one of my brother's retarded creatures in the Creature phase (he calls it "So ugly I didn't want to hit the mate button, because it should die out as a gift to God") and I forgot that he'd optimized it for, um, killing shit. I go charging in with my mostly social creatures and got slaughtered.

I need to figure out how to get an omnivore mouth one of these days.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 22, 2008, 03:46:55 PM
I had trouble with that with my Zaphods, too.  It seems like if you finish the cell phase as an herbivore, you never have the option of developing an omnivore or carnivore mouth (those parts will never unlock for you).  Annoying since I wanted the more "human-looking" mouths for cosmetic reasons.

BTW, the trick to dealing with aggro carnivores as an herbivore is to use Siren's Song to stop them from chewing on you, and then befriend them before it wears off.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samprimary on September 22, 2008, 03:51:40 PM
Actually, it sounds like:

 (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:7ZMb77sRRrUK2M:http://gaygamer.net/images/642.jpg)

and his original vision. 

EDIT: Removed his name so he doesn't find us in one of his periodic Google searches of his name. 

what, do you mean

DEREK SMART DEREK SMART DEREK SMART


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morat20 on September 22, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
I had trouble with that with my Zaphods, too.  It seems like if you finish the cell phase as an herbivore, you never have the option of developing an omnivore or carnivore mouth (those parts will never unlock for you).  Annoying since I wanted the more "human-looking" mouths for cosmetic reasons.

BTW, the trick to dealing with aggro carnivores as an herbivore is to use Siren's Song to stop them from chewing on you, and then befriend them before it wears off.
I was trying to see if killing them would unlock carnivore or omnivore mouths.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 22, 2008, 06:36:51 PM
I don't think it does.  By the end of my creature phase I had literally unlocked every creature part except for any of the omnivore/carnivore mouths.  I think it's locked in by your choices as a cell.  I even tried eating meat to see if eventually it'd let me change my diet, but no dice.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on September 22, 2008, 06:56:05 PM
I find it too frustrating in cosmetic terms to be limited to carnivore, herbivore or omnivore mouths when I'm designing, so I'm just cutting to the chase now and designing creatures to be played from Tribal on. Which is sort of too bad in that I like the Creature phase somewhat.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 22, 2008, 08:23:01 PM
I've taken to making prototypes for new games. I'll run the space creature editor and try to figure out where I want to end up and then play to there.

While omni/carni mouths aren't available to herbis, I forget if they're allowed at the pre-tribal final design phase.

Was playing tonight showing my fiancee the space phase, particularly terriforming and making colonies, and she said "Why does the game keep interrupting you with everyone asking you for help. I was also trying to avoid a war (right after finishing two wars on people that just annoyed me with nonstop attacks) with another local race and now I'm locked in a war with a wicked tough race. He will wipe out my fleet most battles, though I do ok with my maxed out ship, conquering his worlds takes forever because I have to keep going back and recruiting allied ships. And the aforementioned two wars removed two allies so I'm two ships short now.

Blah, too much game in the sandbox and imo they never had a chance with 'gamers'. Take a look at who's still playing.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 22, 2008, 08:26:44 PM
The patch helped with the sandboxiness a lot, at least for me.  I'm playing on Easy because I knew from the outset I wanted as little "challenge" as possible.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Hutch on September 22, 2008, 08:37:09 PM
I don't think it does.  By the end of my creature phase I had literally unlocked every creature part except for any of the omnivore/carnivore mouths.  I think it's locked in by your choices as a cell.  I even tried eating meat to see if eventually it'd let me change my diet, but no dice.

This. The band you are in (herb/omni/carni) at the end of the cell phase determines what kind of mouth parts are available in the creature phase.

So if you want omni, pick herb/carn in the cell phase, then switch mouthpieces when you hit the cell editor.
Then make sure to monitor your History, and switch mouthpieces if you're getting too close to herb/carn.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Morat20 on September 22, 2008, 08:47:50 PM
I don't think it does.  By the end of my creature phase I had literally unlocked every creature part except for any of the omnivore/carnivore mouths.  I think it's locked in by your choices as a cell.  I even tried eating meat to see if eventually it'd let me change my diet, but no dice.

This. The band you are in (herb/omni/carni) at the end of the cell phase determines what kind of mouth parts are available in the creature phase.

So if you want omni, pick herb/carn in the cell phase, then switch mouthpieces when you hit the cell editor.
Then make sure to monitor your History, and switch mouthpieces if you're getting too close to herb/carn.

I think I'm going to put two damn mouths on my cell and see what happens. :) I tried the probiscus thing, which seems pretty damn "Omnivore" to me, but I must have switched to late or eaten too many plants.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 22, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
The best way to get the omnivore mouth is to keep an eye on other cells.

Once you see cells with the proboscis, either a) kill them (if you're a carnivore or an herbivore but with spikes) or b) let an uber cell kill them, then, grab the DNA bit. If you start carnivore, eat just floating meat and don't kill other shit. That helps when you want to go omnivore as soon as you get the right part.

I finally managed to get something other than "trader" for my species in space. I have a new race that is a "Knight" race. IIRC, I went omnivore, then predator in creature, then friendly in tribal, then ended up with enough military victories (even tho I was religious) that I was ultimately just barely into the "red" type as opposed to the economic type.

I've been trying to game the choices to see how it works in space. Going to the military end of things in civ mode certainly helps with lowering the pirate attacks.

In "Knight" mode in space, I get to summon a mini craft which is kinda neat.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Baldrake on September 23, 2008, 12:23:57 AM
Despite what I said earlier, I'm beginning to really dig this game. I have so little time to game these days that the pacing is working pretty well for me.

Man, Lantyssa's creatures are awesome.

I'm not seeing how they are going to build a franchise out of this, though. The College CoEd expansion? The Wild West expansion? Somehow I'm not getting where there is to go.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Aez on September 23, 2008, 06:48:58 AM
They'll probably add an an editor or two per expansion : clothing, huts, plant.  They could also add part/skill  : an improved pet feature, trap laying, nest defense, symbiosis.

Imagine the cell phase if you could lay down some virus trap, build a nest/shell, allies with an other cell to defend the nest.

Having to bring back food to your nest or defend your feeding spot in creature mode would greatly improve the game.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Baldrake on September 23, 2008, 07:08:52 AM
Well, I think you're right that they'd have to change the game as well as adding editors. There's only so much replay value in the game as-is - it's not like we're all going to play it again because we can now give our guys hawaii shirts.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 23, 2008, 08:16:10 AM
I wish I could place more than one uber-turret per planet.  I'd plant a colony near Grox territory, put twenty uber-turrets on it, and let them tire themselves out throwing ships at it.   :why_so_serious:

Stupid Grox.  I tried to get in their good graces, but they follow me around shooting at me WHILE I'M DOING MISSIONS FOR THEM.  And then get upset if my ship's auto-turret swats them out of the sky.  Bah!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 23, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
I think I'm going to put two damn mouths on my cell and see what happens. :) I tried the probiscus thing, which seems pretty damn "Omnivore" to me, but I must have switched to late or eaten too many plants.
You can have different mouth types.  Here's a trick:

At the end of your cell stage, if you are a carnivore or herbivore, add a mouth from the other type (or a proboscis if you want) to be able to eat anything in the later stages.  You can shrink these way down compared to the later mouths, and hide them under evolved parts if you cannot fit them into your creature's look.  It makes life a lot easier in the creature stage, and lets you choose the mouth you want for apperance, without having to force your creature into a role you don't want.

If you want creatures as herbivore to populate planets in the space stage, you may want to make an edited version without the other mouth though.  The game will treat them as omnivores in that situation.

My red pandas for example, use a carnivore mouth, however their wiskers are the herbivore cell stage mouth.  That let me eat fruits throughout the creature stage, but use the best mouth for the look.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Valmorian on September 23, 2008, 11:45:33 AM
At the end of your cell stage, if you are a carnivore or herbivore, add a mouth from the other type (or a proboscis if you want) to be able to eat anything in the later stages.

I did the same thing with a couple of my creatures, it can be really handy. 

Also, for an experiment I made a creature with no eyes and no legs to see how that worked through the creature stage.. pretty well actually.. although the world looks neat when you have no eyes. ;)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 23, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/spore.png)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Valmorian on September 24, 2008, 08:58:11 AM
I know it's not deep, but I'm loving this game.  I LOVE being surprised constantly at the things people make, and just trying out things all over the place.. the space stage is great for that too, with the terraforming and transplanting species between worlds..

Also, I just found out  you can encounter your other saved games if you manage to make it to another home system.  I was going to try exterminating them but then I found that all my weapons and terraforming tools are disabled while I'm in the home sytem of one of my other saves.



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Valmorian on September 24, 2008, 09:41:14 AM
Oh, I ran into THIS last night on a new creation's homeworld: http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-nixonoid%3Asast-500006485537

AWESOME.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 24, 2008, 09:45:25 AM
He shouldn't have given them such an obvious name.  Imagine the shock of being hailed by the Kcidykcirt Empire and suddenly having Nixon's face on the viewscreen.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 24, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Heh, I managed to exterminate the Religious Quack species after befriending it in creature mode.

SporeGod works in mysterious ways and whatnot. :p


Bonus points for creating a duck species tho.  :grin:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Valmorian on September 25, 2008, 07:52:16 AM
Heh, I managed to exterminate the Religious Quack species after befriending it in creature mode.

SporeGod works in mysterious ways and whatnot. :p


Bonus points for creating a duck species tho.  :grin:

Those poor, innocent ducks! 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 25, 2008, 08:47:25 AM
Naw, they were askin' for it.

Actually, I think it was one of those "whoops not in social mode" double-clicking moments.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 25, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
I've begun carving a tunnel to the center of the galaxy by terraforming every Grox system that's close enough to my route to threaten me.  I've also seeded and uplifted some of the reclaimed systems so I can ally with them and use them as staging points.  Pretty awesome.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 25, 2008, 09:06:58 AM
I'm having a heck of a time navigating in space mode.

Finding stars is a PITA, even with the filters. I think perhaps it's time to invest in a mouse for my laptop, because the touchpad thing doesn't like to play nice with it's "mouse wheel" function in Spore.

I have no idea if it'll help me out with my star-finding issues, but at least it'll make the creators more functional for me.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 25, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
I've tried getting to the center of the galaxy a few times now but always ended up at a point where I couldn't jump far enough to get to the next star. Then I'd get frustrated and give up.  My latest race though, the Omnitards stumbled on a wormhole that seems to be taking me almost all the way there. Now I just need to grind and get the best warp drive before I make another attempt.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on September 25, 2008, 12:16:54 PM
Finding stars is a PITA, even with the filters. I think perhaps it's time to invest in a mouse for my laptop, because the touchpad thing doesn't like to play nice with it's "mouse wheel" function in Spore.

I have no idea if it'll help me out with my star-finding issues, but at least it'll make the creators more functional for me.

Ugh. I can't use Word with a trackpad and you were trying to navigate space with it?! You have more patience than I for sure :-)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 25, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
I've tried getting to the center of the galaxy a few times now but always ended up at a point where I couldn't jump far enough to get to the next star. Then I'd get frustrated and give up.  My latest race though, the Omnitards stumbled on a wormhole that seems to be taking me almost all the way there. Now I just need to grind and get the best warp drive before I make another attempt.

Yeah, the level 5 interstellar drive seems to be an absolute requirement for navigating in the middle of the galaxy.  Even with everything maxed out I find that I'm having to do a lot of tacking around to make forward progress (which means coming close to more Grox systems, which is fine since it just means more dead Grox).

So you have to start from scratch unlocking tech when you start a new game?  That's kinda weak.  I'd have thought that once you unlock it it's always available, just like the different game phases.  Then again, there's probably a console cheat that makes it moot.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Kail on September 25, 2008, 05:29:11 PM
I'm getting this weird double-image glitch (http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500101615289) with my creatures on the Sporepedia (plus, it mucks up the textures and it shows a cropped pic of the Creature Creator base in there, for some reason)... anyone else having this problem, or know what it's about?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on September 26, 2008, 06:26:45 AM
Holy crap some of you people spend a lot of time in the editor.  150+ creations from some of you!

Downloading most/all of it now... hopefully have time to upload my own  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 26, 2008, 08:03:02 AM
Holy crap some of you people spend a lot of time in the editor.  150+ creations from some of you!

Downloading most/all of it now... hopefully have time to upload my own  :awesome_for_real:
New games can generate quite a lot since each generation is shared.  A lot of my ships are reskins due to laziness and it taking longer to design one of nine cool vehicles than the entire length of the civ stage.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on September 26, 2008, 08:08:52 AM
Noticed that.  I wonder if Spore will re-download creations if I go through and whack the repeats?

And for some odd reason it only let me upload of a couple of my own.  Will try again later. 


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 26, 2008, 11:00:25 AM
So with wormholes, you definitely need the 1.5 mil wormhole key before jumping into one, right?

It's probably a stupid question with an obvious answer (it's called a wormhole key, after all), but I'm dumping most of my spice income into fortifying and terraforming my core seven colonies before I go make contact with the Grox.

I also have a pesky species that has really tough defender ships, so my usual "grab fleet, go suck the atmosphere off the planet, kill now gimped colony" method is also eating funds and taking longer since they're tough bastards. I'm hoping that soon I'll unlock more of the terraforming tools that use energy. 10k for a max energy pack is way nicer than 90-135k for the various and sundry terraforming tools.

I really don't want to read the "tasks to unlock" badges pages, since I like finding them naturally, but I may need to start grinding things if I want to move past my end of the spiral arm.

I am excited, however, that I have a monolith and am planning on uplifting my first civ-stage planet next time I play.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 26, 2008, 11:28:16 AM
Yeah, you need the wormhole key or it won't let you in.

I'd recommend holding off until you've got your money machine well established and the good toys unlocked, personally.  The key for me ended up being to grab a few planets with purple/pink spice, mine the fuck out of them (3 colonies plus a storage expansion = 30 spice per visit), and shop it around to find planets that'll pay 50k sporebucks per unit for it.  I'm finally at the point now where I can make 3 mil on a quick tour of my colonies.  I've bought every system within 5 parsecs of my home planet and am feeling pretty good about my little empire now.   :grin:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 26, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
If you do a little bit of everything the important tools feel like they unlock pretty naturally without having to grind, especially on your first time in the Space section of the game. Don't spoil it for yourself by reading the badge requirements. Just explore and terraform and do a few missions and everything will open up - faster than you can afford to buy all the new toys most likely.

It sounds to me like you aren't big enough to bother with the Grox yet. You may well end up leaving your colonies unattended for several hours as you make your way towards the galactic hub so you're going to want to have them all set up with Bioprotectors and Uber-turrets so they're safe while you're gone.  And that costs a fair bit of money.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on September 26, 2008, 11:54:52 AM
Ah. Yeah, I have 7 planets.

I'm slowly getting them to T3, which is nice cause it's unlocking the better terraforming tools. What sucks is that I guess I need to just start more wars to get the bigger guns. I have the first bomb you get. It works great if you Inconvenient Truth the enemy, but then you have to terraform the planet back up if you want it to be useful.


Perhaps I'll just hang back, keep my allies happy (although a couple are at war with each other, which is often comical. At least doing missions and giving them some dough here and there helps in the "you didn't save us" department), and generally see what happens when you do certain things. The uplifting a species thing is cool, and I never could figure out what you do with crop circles besides make them and watch the tribal or civ stage fuckers run around. I'm hoping the monolith is better.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 26, 2008, 12:06:27 PM
Yeah, I conquered with bombs. Made nice with a small warlike empire that's growth limited by my other allies (I let one ally trounce them and then removed that ally...permanently), and being a warrior I get munitions at reduced price. But then I get an empty terraformed planet to play with and drop at least a token colony with lots of defense.

Right now I'm way overstretched due to this, but I also cut my allies off from massive expansion by encircling some of them pretty well, they're still relatively primitive. Except one who expanded out into a tough sumbitch empire that I hate fighting, might let them die off for a bit.

Got real lucky and found two systems with purple planets (one with two!) during my last conquest and now I'm finally out of the money hole for the most part. Going back to terraform more of my core planets and colonize.

Wish there was a way to set up internal trade routes to my home system to automate spice collection. Having to fly through 30 or so systems is a drag, especially during a war. Also, I'm still stuck to 3 or 4 trade routes. More trade routes should also result in some kind of market screen where you can sort prices so you don't have to dick around finding a system to buy spice for a good price, and also know which aliens sell which upgrades.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 26, 2008, 12:33:56 PM
Wish there was a way to set up internal trade routes to my home system to automate spice collection. Having to fly through 30 or so systems is a drag, especially during a war. Also, I'm still stuck to 3 or 4 trade routes. More trade routes should also result in some kind of market screen where you can sort prices so you don't have to dick around finding a system to buy spice for a good price, and also know which aliens sell which upgrades.

This.  I've got it pretty well streamlined by this point so it's not too annoying (I only bother with getting spice from my 5 biggest producing planets), but once something becomes routine I'd like to have a way to automate it.  Ditto for the Grox attacks, like I was saying earlier... just let me spend all my money on uberturrets and never have to think about an enemy attack ever again.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 26, 2008, 01:37:14 PM
I found a purple spice planet with a tribe on it. It was only T1 so I terraformed it up to T3 and dropped a monolith on them.  Once they hit the Space Age I started a trade route with them and bought the system.

After upgrades it can hold up to 100 purple spice and it's producing it blindingly fast. I think I could probably support my whole empire just by visiting that one system every 10 or 15 minutes.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Stephen Zepp on September 26, 2008, 02:04:17 PM
Does not work on my machine (funny, I have a Dell XPS M130--decently standard gaming laptop).

Turns out the error I've been getting has been known since May, yet EA/Maxis has never once responded to it, and it's not in their support or forums.

DasmX86Dll.dll cannot be found. Crashes every time you start a game.


Whoo-hoo! They finally found out what was causing crashes like mine: if you have the DirectX SDK running, it needs to be in "retail" mode: Game crashes when entering cell mode... (http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/0/4764.page#42731).

For future readers, the best reference/fix thread I've found: Spore Master Help Thread (http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/4723.page).


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: naum on September 26, 2008, 02:07:50 PM
Patch out for Macs now…

Haven't had much chance to play of late, looking forward to resuming Tribal stage tonight… (yes, I am glacially slow at this anymore…)…


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 26, 2008, 02:28:49 PM
After upgrades it can hold up to 100 purple spice and it's producing it blindingly fast. I think I could probably support my whole empire just by visiting that one system every 10 or 15 minutes.  :awesome_for_real:

Whoa whoa whoa... 100 storage?  Is that because it was their home planet and therefore gets more than the standard max of 3 colonies?

That is a goddamn awesome trick if so.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 26, 2008, 06:28:03 PM
Yup it was their home so it had a whole bunch of cities. But for some reason they don't produce at the glacial pace our own home planets do. The city layouts were all bizarre and different like they are on a home world so I couldn't make them superproduce like on a regular colony world but they each produced at like 70-80 per hour which is awesome when there are 10 of them.

I'm in the process of trying it again to see if I can repeat the trick or if it was just a lucky fluke.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 26, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
No, all other homeplanets produce at a faster rate.  Buildings cost as much as any of your non-homeworld colonies, but it's worth it.

I recommend keeping the empire small though.  Grab a couple of nice systems with all the spice colors and only develop them.  It cuts down on the raids and bio-disasters, while giving you all the spice you need.  Then go explore and have fun without having to worry about an emergancy every five minutes you would with a massive empire.  It's the only failing I have with the space game -- the larger your empire, the less time you have to go out and explore to do things, because you can only manage colonies with your one ship.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 26, 2008, 08:20:51 PM
Well shit.  Now I'm tempted to nuke some of my own colonies and reseed them so I can shorten my spice runs.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 26, 2008, 08:21:58 PM
I think I also read something about being far away from home lowering the amount of events at home (assuming you aren't at war).

Wish I had known about converting home systems, I've blasted four or five home planets and colonized them the old fashioned way. I'm also too cheap to use one-shot tools and don't have monoliths unlocked for free, if you even can.

I do use the one-shot missile defense against enemy fleets, though...had to for one very tough war.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 26, 2008, 08:52:44 PM
My strategy has been to colonize every planet within one jump/move from my home planet. Seems to work out.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on September 26, 2008, 11:23:55 PM
Made it to the center of the galaxy.  Woo!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 27, 2008, 12:26:41 AM
Wow congrats. So the last big thing you have to accomplish now is to find Earth.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 27, 2008, 12:46:52 AM
Are you joking? Or can you actually find it?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on September 27, 2008, 01:57:29 AM
Yup I haven't found it yet but it's out there somewhere.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 27, 2008, 02:33:27 AM
Awesome. I'm gonna planet-buster it. Teach you uppity motherfuckers a lesson.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on September 27, 2008, 12:58:42 PM
I actually found it by accident when exploring random wormholes. Was just about to pop back through one after going "welp, this place looks boring" when I moused over "Sol".

... y helo thar!

 :drill:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 27, 2008, 01:02:34 PM
Sol brother #1!


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Kail on September 28, 2008, 09:04:33 PM
Stupid question:

Every time (as far as I've noticed) I get about halfway through the creature stage, there's some kind of big, loud meteor shower event.  Anyone know what this is, or what it does?  Seems to just make NPCs run around randomly for a bit, and daze anyone who's standing too close to an impact site, but since it only happens once (as far as I can tell) in the entire game, I'm wondering if there's more to it that I'm not seeing.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: bhodi on September 28, 2008, 10:51:11 PM
(http://www.filedump.net/dumped/earth1222667590.JPG)



Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: FatuousTwat on September 29, 2008, 01:41:23 AM
(http://www.ivetriedthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mr_burns.gif)


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on September 29, 2008, 07:16:29 AM
Stupid question:

Every time (as far as I've noticed) I get about halfway through the creature stage, there's some kind of big, loud meteor shower event.  Anyone know what this is, or what it does?  Seems to just make NPCs run around randomly for a bit, and daze anyone who's standing too close to an impact site, but since it only happens once (as far as I can tell) in the entire game, I'm wondering if there's more to it that I'm not seeing.
It happens randomly. It's either a random meteor storm or simulating another race terraforming your planet, like when they show up and hoover up a few of your buddies.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on October 02, 2008, 08:57:42 AM
OH HAY.  I just learned that you can fly into the galactic core as if it were a wormhole.  And there is indeed a cutscene and a present waiting in there.  Awesome.

Anyone know if there's a way to replenish the present?  I would sort of like to go conquer the galaxy with it, but 42 charges isn't going to be enough.   :grin:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on October 06, 2008, 02:46:35 AM
Gamers don't care? Target the same easily amused crowd that bought The Sims:

Quote
Gamers looking forward to the inevitable expansion of Spore might not have too big of a wait ahead of them. Fansite Hooked on Spore discovered listings for a Spore Cute & Creepy Parts Pack on both Amazon and GameStop, both of which have since been removed.

There's a word for this, I just can't put my finger on it.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on October 06, 2008, 05:10:35 AM
I'd buy it, especially if they throw in a couple of enhancements to the rest of the game. 

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to lead my Gila Lizard-man empire in taking over the galaxy.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yoru on October 06, 2008, 05:15:50 AM
OH HAY.  I just learned that you can fly into the galactic core as if it were a wormhole.  And there is indeed a cutscene and a present waiting in there.  Awesome.

Anyone know if there's a way to replenish the present?  I would sort of like to go conquer the galaxy with it, but 42 charges isn't going to be enough.   :grin:

Hex editing or trainers. Sorry dude.

Gamers don't care? Target the same easily amused crowd that bought The Sims:

Quote
Gamers looking forward to the inevitable expansion of Spore might not have too big of a wait ahead of them. Fansite Hooked on Spore discovered listings for a Spore Cute & Creepy Parts Pack on both Amazon and GameStop, both of which have since been removed.

There's a word for this, I just can't put my finger on it.

Money-grubbing? Simsesque? Pure, undiluted EA?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on October 06, 2008, 05:18:37 AM
Uh no, I was going to go with "gay" but you were close. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on October 06, 2008, 06:24:05 AM
I don't care about parts packs but if there's actual enhancements to gameplay I'm in.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on October 06, 2008, 09:48:33 AM
OH HAY.  I just learned that you can fly into the galactic core as if it were a wormhole.  And there is indeed a cutscene and a present waiting in there.  Awesome.

Anyone know if there's a way to replenish the present?  I would sort of like to go conquer the galaxy with it, but 42 charges isn't going to be enough.   :grin:

Hex editing or trainers. Sorry dude.

BOOOOOOOOOOO.   :mob:

Letting you go back in to recharge it would be enough to make getting to the core a decent "win" condition, since you could mop up the Grox in pretty short order then.  Well, it'd still take a little while to fly to all their systems, but using that thing is just so SATISFYING that I think the time would fly.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on October 06, 2008, 12:37:08 PM
There's a word for this, I just can't put my finger on it.

It's three words, and they are "Yegolev was right".


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Raging Turtle on October 07, 2008, 12:02:08 PM
People are still making some damn cool shit. 

(http://ll-898.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/104/898/500104898013_lrg.png)

The spine is only in the bear, the shark is made up of arms and legs. This link says a little more: http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500104898013

I'd like to run across those in the space stage and see the shark and bear speaking as one  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on October 07, 2008, 12:06:57 PM
People are still making some damn cool shit for The Sims. Also my wife is not able to get The Sims to start up after the latest pack, probably due to user-made content, but since she says it's not worth playing without all the player content, she is very close to ditching that bullshit for LotRO.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on October 07, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
Fuck LOTRO, make her ditch it for warhammer.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on October 07, 2008, 12:26:38 PM
OK, she did see me play LotRL for 45 second and comment " That game looks totally gay" but my wife is the largest handgun in the world. Do you feel lucky?

Well, do ya, punk?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Murgos on October 13, 2008, 08:04:14 AM
Quote
Electronic Arts today announced that a Space stage expansion pack is in development for Spore, with a release expected next spring.

The expansion will allow players to beam down their creatures from their spaceships, exploring new planets and going on missions. A new Adventure Creator will allow for the creation of custom missions, which can be shared online.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55280


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on October 13, 2008, 08:05:14 AM
OK, she did see me play LotRL for 45 second and comment " That game looks totally gay" but my wife is the largest handgun in the world. Do you feel lucky?

Well, do ya, punk?
Lucky? I can't even parse your post.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2008, 08:07:20 AM
Your parser is feature-anemic.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: schild on October 13, 2008, 08:08:19 AM
Funny because I thought you called your wife a big penis. My parser is feature-packed.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Yegolev on October 13, 2008, 08:09:16 AM
Touche, Mr. Schild.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on October 13, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
I can't quite bring myself to post the obvious rejoinder.  Dammit, Yeg.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Venkman on October 13, 2008, 10:08:40 AM
Spore has a lot of cool parts but it's a lot harder to less creative people to do the really cool shit that the really creative are doing. So selling more parts helps drive the perception of closing that gap.

Adding more game to the Space age is good too. What I'd really like to see though:

- A movie maker, or at least a diorama maker, some way to feature your civilization having a life without having to continually load a prior civ-phase as finished and replace all the parts out. This is specifically for my market of one who loves making stuff but is too younger to understand how to play the civ phase (she's fine with cell and creature, but tribal is too much).

- Modify the game so what your creature, vehicle, and buildings looked like actually impacted the game. The baseline there now is fine but you should be able to amp things up a bit. The last time any of the aesthetics matter seems to be the cell stage, where putting spikes, mouths and poison/shield stuff in the wrong spots diminish performance. After that, just having the part at all is all you need.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Pennilenko on October 13, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
Is spore fun for people who wouldnt normally play an RTS type game thingy?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: CmdrSlack on October 13, 2008, 12:05:43 PM
Yes. It's very "shallow" compared to most RTS games in the earlier stages.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on June 26, 2009, 10:13:01 PM
Anybody else try the new expansion?

It has some potential, but there are issues just with the tools themselves.

Plus unlike the creature creator, which somehow let really creative people shine and even made the doofuses look ok, the adventure creator is pretty well putting the stupid on display. I've done two non-Maxis adventures now that were just seriously terrible. I'd like to think they were made by ten-year olds but I think unfortunately that's not the case.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: WindupAtheist on June 27, 2009, 03:50:06 AM
Fuck LOTRO, make her ditch it for warhammer.

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Samwise on June 28, 2009, 07:40:15 PM
Anybody else try the new expansion?

It has some potential, but there are issues just with the tools themselves.

Two things are necessary to get me playing Spore again:

1) Make it easier to subjugate the galaxy or otherwise stop stupid events from happening on my planets whenever I'm doing something interesting.
2) Flora editor.

Did either of those make it in?


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on June 29, 2009, 08:34:24 AM
I'm in the camp that's waiting for Samwise's #1 condition. Interruptionquest is lame, and I really liked the game. It just annoyed me to the point where I couldn't put up with it anymore. I don't necessarily need it to be easier to subjugate, just have some mechanism to stop the incessant interruptions.

Also, I'm not the type to keep pouring money into a franchise, I'll wait until they get a bunch of this stuff into a single edition for a bargain bin price and see if I'm still interested. Mostly if #1 is taken care of.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Reg on June 29, 2009, 08:59:25 AM
I was prepared to buy this one but I'm holding off. It just doesn't add enough real gameplay to be worth my while from what I'm reading in the reviews.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Khaldun on June 29, 2009, 09:28:36 AM
I think that's basically right. It's a nice addition, but only a step in the right direction, and even there, it's a great example of where player-created content can fail badly. It's one thing to see a stupid-looking alien or to have some kid's aliens in the mix (my daughter's aliens propagate to the world under my tag), it's another thing to waste 15 minutes on a fucking terrible quest created by a sub-illiterate.

Plus, yes totally on the "stop fucking interrupting me with pirates-attacking-planets" messages. Especially since now it can be a bit difficult to tell when you're getting a message that says, "There's an adventure here" and "there's a totally ordinary annoying pre-expansion thing you have to take care of here".


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on June 29, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
Wait...they added these adventures as more annoying pop-ups?  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Murgos on June 30, 2009, 07:06:04 AM
It sounds thoroughly like a 'B' team effort.  Or, at best, stuff that should have made the original release and been better integrated into the whole.


Title: Re: Spored out of your mind?
Post by: Sky on June 30, 2009, 08:07:41 AM
Without WW, isn't it /all/ B-team stuff from here on out?