Title: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Ookii on June 27, 2008, 06:45:33 AM ...is today.
I for one appreciate what he's done and wish him luck on is new philanthropic endeavors. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: WayAbvPar on June 27, 2008, 07:15:31 AM Does that mean there is an opening for his position? I will do it for 1/2 what he did.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 07:19:22 AM No he already has two people there to replace him. One is Ray Ozzie of Lotus Notes fame. I can't remember the name of the other guy.
Edit: already already? Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Nebu on June 27, 2008, 07:30:04 AM No he already has two people already there to replace him. One is Ray Ozzie of Lotus Notes fame. I can't remember the name of the other guy. You know that you're good when it takes two people to do your old job. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: schild on June 27, 2008, 07:33:50 AM So, I suppose $50B is "enough." It's good to have goals.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Signe on June 27, 2008, 08:03:00 AM Yeah, yeah. Rich guy goes, replaced by some rich guys who get richer, gives away some money, stays rich. I care.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Nija on June 27, 2008, 08:32:25 AM Self-made rich guy. Starting his own company and staying there til the end without selling out is a pretty uncommon thing.
WTG BillG. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Signe on June 27, 2008, 08:39:02 AM Self made rich guy whose company squashed technology that was in competition with his profit even though it was better technology. I admire that.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: schild on June 27, 2008, 08:51:26 AM Self made rich guy whose company squashed technology that was in competition with his profit even though it was better technology. I admire that. Don't be a hippy. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Samwise on June 27, 2008, 08:56:38 AM Without Microsoft, Linux would never have been written. We'd all still be running proprietary OSes on matching proprietary hardware and paying through the nose for each piece.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Signe on June 27, 2008, 09:16:08 AM I can be a hippy if I want! Also, you don't know that, Samwise. We might be using something WAAAAAY more advanced than Linux or anything we use today. We could be SMELLING each other over the internet right now, maybe.
Note that I said more advanced, not better. Smelling each other would probably not be better. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: photek on June 27, 2008, 09:29:40 AM Yeah we could all be using Macs :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Signe on June 27, 2008, 09:55:55 AM Yeah we could all be using Macs :oh_i_see: That would be excellent! Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: photek on June 27, 2008, 09:56:54 AM Yeah we could all be using Macs :oh_i_see: That would be excellent! Fixed! Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: stray on June 27, 2008, 10:00:55 AM Linux is only here because UNIX was fragmented, companies couldn't get their shit together, didn't fully appreciate what they had on their hands, and snubbed their noses at the masses. Much like Linux is today.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Yegolev on June 27, 2008, 10:04:05 AM We could be SMELLING each other over the internet right now, maybe. So. Do you smell like a woman slowly eating a cherry? Or do you smell like someone with two cats? Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Yegolev on June 27, 2008, 10:05:45 AM Yeah we could all be using Macs :oh_i_see: That would be excellent! Fixed! I'd like Macs more if I could run my games on them. Same with linux. I really, really would prefer linux over Windows, but it's all about the applications. De facto monopoly. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Salamok on June 27, 2008, 10:59:12 AM Self made rich guy whose company squashed technology that was in competition with his profit even though it was better technology. I admire that. the enemy of good is better. Some times you just need to pick your path, stick to your guns and get the shit to market and that is exactly what M$ did. Also, i'd say that the Gates family was pretty well off prior to M$. but he definitely parlayed those advantages into billions. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 27, 2008, 02:16:13 PM (http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1122.jpg)
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Jain Zar on June 27, 2008, 02:16:47 PM Yeah we could all be using Macs :oh_i_see: Even better? WE COULD BE USING AMIGAS. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Teleku on June 27, 2008, 02:27:37 PM One thing I always wonder, how different would things be if we didn't have one "universal" OS that everybody operated on? I mean, love it or hate it, windows unifying everything probably lead to exponential advancement in computer use and adoption across the world. Somebody could write a program and you knew it would work (baring fucked up hardware compatability issues) with 90% of the computer users in the world.
If we were fragmented into many different OS using groups, I don't think we would be anywhere near what we are today. A think a unified OS standard is almost a must for a global world, until we can come up with an effective way to make any software run on every platform anybody can think of..... Oh, and GJ Bill Gates. I always like you better than that fucking prick Steve Jobs, even if MS is evil more often than not :awesome_for_real:. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Samwise on June 27, 2008, 02:32:39 PM Linux is only here because UNIX was fragmented, companies couldn't get their shit together, didn't fully appreciate what they had on their hands, and snubbed their noses at the masses. Much like Linux is today. It helped that there was a proliferation of cheap IBM clones (that being what Windows ran on) that anyone could write software for. At least, that's what Neal Stephenson claims. I think the irony is too delicious for it not to be true. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 27, 2008, 02:45:30 PM Windows widescale adoption set back the state of computing 10-15 years.
While hardware advances exponentially (Moore's Law), the state of software virtually remained unchanged. Recently, was listening to an podcast interview with Dan Ingalls (http://twit.tv/floss29), who worked at PARC Xerox w/Alan Kay and co-creator of both Smalltalk and Squeak (present Smalltalk VM). His demo to Jobs way back in early 80s was the genesis of the Mac — he left the industry for nearly 10 years to take over family hotel management business before returning — and he said it was remarkable, coming back, that the hardware was so much more powerful, but like in the software realm, basically nothing had changed, and the state was equal or less. I've felt that way too, and it seems we've taken backward steps, and Windows IMV is a big part (though by far, not the sole factor) of it. Yeah, the graphics are glitzier, but the applications are for the most part, bloated and nowhere near as elegant or deep as software from 20-25 years ago. WoW and AoC may have millions of paying customers, but the gameplay still isn't as rich as NetHack. One thing I always wonder, how different would things be if we didn't have one "universal" OS that everybody operated on? I mean, love it or hate it, windows unifying everything probably lead to exponential advancement in computer use and adoption across the world. Somebody could write a program and you knew it would work (baring fucked up hardware compatability issues) with 90% of the computer users in the world. If we were fragmented into many different OS using groups, I don't think we would be anywhere near what we are today. A think a unified OS standard is almost a must for a global world, until we can come up with an effective way to make any software run on every platform anybody can think of..... Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 02:56:31 PM Without Microsoft, Linux would never have been written. We'd all still be running proprietary OSes on matching proprietary hardware and paying through the nose for each piece. Linux came about cause Linus Torvalds wanted to update Minix to more modern standards, i.e. "a better Minix than Minix". It had nothing to do with Microsoft.Linux is only here because UNIX was fragmented, companies couldn't get their shit together, didn't fully appreciate what they had on their hands, and snubbed their noses at the masses. Much like Linux is today. See above. And Unix people do appreciate what they have on their hands -- that's why they snub their noses at the masses (i.e. we're elitists). In addition on the Linux side Linus just cares about the kernel and there's nobody else with that sort of strong leadership on the desktop side of things. Ubuntu is trying to change some of that but that's more of a packaging thing where the focus needs to be more on a unified UI and replacement apps.On the other hand Steve Jobs solved that problem (integrating the power of Unix with a real UI) at NeXT and brought those people over to Apple when he bought NeXT which became the foundation for Mac OS X. I think most people using Mac OS X probably have no idea of the power that's lying underneath the shiny Aqua UI. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: schild on June 27, 2008, 02:59:53 PM Quote I think most people using Mac OS X probably have no idea of the power that's lying underneath the shiny Aqua UI. 99% of the world doesn't give a fuck. Ignorance doesn't matter when it's a situation of where - if - they were told, they'd put their fingers in their ears and say 'lalalalallalalalallalalala.' Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 03:05:59 PM Which is fine. Those people shouldn't have to worry about what's under the hood. My point was not all Unix vendors (of which Apple is one of the largest) snub their noses at the masses.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: stray on June 27, 2008, 03:06:15 PM Without Microsoft, Linux would never have been written. We'd all still be running proprietary OSes on matching proprietary hardware and paying through the nose for each piece. Linux came about cause Linus Torvalds wanted to update Minix to more modern standards, i.e. "a better Minix than Minix". It had nothing to do with Microsoft.Linux is only here because UNIX was fragmented, companies couldn't get their shit together, didn't fully appreciate what they had on their hands, and snubbed their noses at the masses. Much like Linux is today. See above. And Unix people do appreciate what they have on their hands -- that's why they snub their noses at the masses (i.e. we're elitists). In addition on the Linux side Linus just cares about the kernel and there's nobody else with that sort of strong leadership on the desktop side of things. Ubuntu is trying to change some of that but that's more of a packaging thing where the focus needs to be more on a unified UI and replacement apps.On the other hand Steve Jobs solved that problem (integrating the power of Unix with a real UI) at NeXT and brought those people over to Apple when he bought NeXT which became the foundation for Mac OS X. I think most people using Mac OS X probably have no idea of the power that's lying underneath the shiny Aqua UI. No, it's precisely because they don't give a fuck about the masses that tells me that they don't know what they have. I mean, they all want to unseat Microsoft, yet, they scoff at the measures they'd have to take to go about that. Not all, of course -- some people really try to polish it. But others are stuck in, more or less, writing for themselves -- and being all ironic and shit, in that peculiar GNU type of way. They could have done what Apple did with a UNIX like OS years ago, but didn't. The whole open policy thing is a bit of double edged sword, I guess. Free is good -- but on the flipside, people can't even agree on standardized directory structures or file systems, let alone GUI's and all that shit. You can't attract very many high profile app developers that way. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Samwise on June 27, 2008, 03:07:03 PM Without Microsoft, Linux would never have been written. We'd all still be running proprietary OSes on matching proprietary hardware and paying through the nose for each piece. Linux came about cause Linus Torvalds wanted to update Minix to more modern standards, i.e. "a better Minix than Minix". It had nothing to do with Microsoft....and also largely because he wanted something that would run well on 386-compatible machines. Or so the legend goes. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 03:10:02 PM Without Microsoft, Linux would never have been written. We'd all still be running proprietary OSes on matching proprietary hardware and paying through the nose for each piece. Linux came about cause Linus Torvalds wanted to update Minix to more modern standards, i.e. "a better Minix than Minix". It had nothing to do with Microsoft.Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: stray on June 27, 2008, 03:12:41 PM That and the creator of Minix was a cockblocker. He didn't want it to serve any other purpose than education (i.e. learning UNIX basics on affordable comps).
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 03:18:05 PM No, it's precisely because they don't give a fuck about the masses that tells me that they don't know what they have. I mean, they all want to unseat Microsoft, yet, they scoff at the measures they'd have to take to go about that. Why should we care about the masses? And Linus has never said he wanted to unseat Microsoft nor are companies like Sun trying to do the same. I think you are confusing Unix as a whole with things like the FSF and Richard Stallman.Quote They could have done what Apple did with a UNIX like OS years ago, but didn't. The whole open policy thing is a bit of double edged sword, I guess. Free is good -- but on the flipside, people can't even agree on standardized directory structures or file systems, let alone GUI's and all that shit. You can't attract very many high profile app developers that way. App developers could care less about the underlying file system since the POSIX IO functions don't change (unless you are writing utilities to directly manipulate the underlying FS bits). The multiple UIs is, however, a big problem which is why I mentioned it in my post.Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: stray on June 27, 2008, 03:22:51 PM Linus is one thing, but "Linux" or GNU or whatever you want to call it is another. I know Linus himself is pretty lackadaisical about that particular subject.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 03:30:53 PM Well see you are still mixing things up. Linux happens to be a "Unix-like" Open Source OS. There are other Unix OSes that are closed source or only partially open. Richard Stallman insists on calling Linux "GNU/Linux" because the Linux OS is built using and dependent on GNU tools. But that's a separate issue from why Unix became so fragmented, which happened long before Linux came about.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 03:45:28 PM Windows widescale adoption set back the state of computing 10-15 years. Windows is not to blame for that. If anything is to blame it's C++ and now Java.While hardware advances exponentially (Moore's Law), the state of software virtually remained unchanged. To put it another way the same software problems that are on Windows are on Unix as well so the sorry state of software engineering is OS-agnostic. Quote Recently, was listening to an podcast interview with Dan Ingalls (http://twit.tv/floss29), who worked at PARC Xerox w/Alan Kay and co-creator of both Smalltalk and Squeak (present Smalltalk VM). His demo to Jobs way back in early 80s was the genesis of the Mac — he left the industry for nearly 10 years to take over family hotel management business before returning — and he said it was remarkable, coming back, that the hardware was so much more powerful, but like in the software realm, basically nothing had changed, and the state was equal or less. Smalltalk was such a pioneering language and environement that we're still just coming to grips with how good it really was. Newer languages like Ruby and frameworks like Ruby on Rails are heavily influenced by Smalltalk. Interestingly enough Smalltalk was so advanced for its time that it's taken a while for the hardware and more modern compilers and VMs to catch up to it.I've felt that way too, and it seems we've taken backward steps, and Windows IMV is a big part (though by far, not the sole factor) of it. Yeah, the graphics are glitzier, but the applications are for the most part, bloated and nowhere near as elegant or deep as software from 20-25 years ago. Quote WoW and AoC may have millions of paying customers, but the gameplay still isn't as rich as NetHack. What's "rich" to some is "complicated" to others. To put it another way "richer" gameplay doesn't necessary translate into something that's "more fun". There's a reason why hardcore wargame grognards are such a small fraction of the general game playing population.Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: stray on June 27, 2008, 03:52:00 PM Well see you are still mixing things up. Linux happens to be a "Unix-like" Open Source OS. There are other Unix OSes that are closed source or only partially open. Richard Stallman insists on calling Linux "GNU/Linux" because the Linux OS is built using and dependent on GNU tools. But that's a separate issue from why Unix became so fragmented, which happened long before Linux came about. Yeah, I do understand that, believe me. Chalk up my lack of being clear to brevity. :-) Anyways yeah, my issue is with the way GNU is sort of a doubled edged sword. I associate Linux with it simply because it's been the main vehicle for anything GNU. As for Unix's fragmentation, I know the history behind that as well. ATT/Berkeley, etc.. I guess my point though is that the original Unix became a victim of different "visions", and so has Linux. Both could very well be great, coherent, desktop OS's (as Apple has proved), but they let a lot of shit get in the way to ever accomplish that. Both camps love to denigrate Microsoft, but they've done fuck about it really -- except concentrate in the server sector -- which isn't quite good enough, nor is it MS's primary domain. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Engels on June 27, 2008, 04:57:47 PM Windows and Apple are only here because UNIX was fragmented, companies couldn't get their shit together, didn't fully appreciate what they had on their hands, and snubbed their noses at the masses. FIFY Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 27, 2008, 07:47:12 PM 1. Apple is UNIX now, or more precisely a BSD variant, but no different than how Sun did Unix, IBM did AIX, HP did HPUX, Linus did Linux, etc.… Apple did what Sun had yearned to do, bring Unix to the desktop. Yes, Linux got there first, but they didn't get the mass appeal that finally is swaying Apple way — especially in laptops, Apple is selling like hotcakes (just hang in an Apple Store for a little bit, and the dozens of clerks can't keep running fast enough to keep up with all the MB and MBP (as well as iPods) flying out. That most don't have a clue they're running a *nix system underneath the hood doesn't make it any less relevant… …that Apple made a break with an inferior legacy OS while MS keeps bringing the cruft forward…
2. Richard Stallman and FSF drove the whole GNU/Linux deal. While his Herd OS (have no idea if this is even still being pursued, it's almost 20 years past since its inception) project failed, Linus, without Stallman's GCC (C compiler) and Emacs (text editor) would not have accomplished his great feat (as well as many key contributors that eagerly joined in w/Torvalds). Stallman never lets the world forget it and thus, the GNU/Linux moniker. Torvalds, who shys away from the political controversies (he's just a hacker at heart), still credits Stallman and his tools that made his development possible. And the impetus behind Linux was a lot of free time for a undergrad on a 6+ year plan and a big desire to get his machine on the internet, or at least the university mail system. Minux was never intended to be anything more than a toy, a real life demonstration of textbook concepts. Oddly, Torvalds old professor is now the votemaster at electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/votemaster-faq.html), applying his energies to constructing scalable HTTP servers. 3. Windows didn't push the bar forward, they just copied what Apple did (which copied the PARC Xerox work in large part) and forged market dominance with exclusivity and (what should have been prosecuted under antitrust law) trust alliances with hardware manufacturers (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=06&year=2008&base_name=bill_gates_secret_to_success_c). 4. In fairness to MS, in recent years, on a few fronts, they've tried to be out in front but have failed — tablet PCs (which Gates himself is a big proponent of) and speech processing (which I'm not sure if even first fruits have been harvested), and which Gates never fails to emphasize. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Tale on June 27, 2008, 09:15:16 PM 1. Apple is UNIX now, or more precisely a BSD variant, but no different than how Sun did Unix, IBM did AIX, HP did HPUX, Linus did Linux, etc.… Apple did what Sun had yearned to do, bring Unix to the desktop. Yes, Linux got there first, but they didn't get the mass appeal that finally is swaying Apple way — especially in laptops, Apple is selling like hotcakes (just hang in an Apple Store for a little bit, and the dozens of clerks can't keep running fast enough to keep up with all the MB and MBP (as well as iPods) flying out. That most don't have a clue they're running a *nix system underneath the hood doesn't make it any less relevant… …that Apple made a break with an inferior legacy OS while MS keeps bringing the cruft forward… This has caused a complete role reversal in who uses which OS at my workplace. I'm a creative type and on Wednesday I had a meeting with a technical type. My notebook was a PC and his was a Mac. Quote 2. Richard Stallman and FSF drove the whole GNU/Linux deal. While his Herd OS (have no idea if this is even still being pursued, it's almost 20 years past since its inception) project failed, Linus, without Stallman's GCC (C compiler) and Emacs (text editor) would not have accomplished his great feat (as well as many key contributors that eagerly joined in w/Torvalds). Stallman never lets the world forget it and thus, the GNU/Linux moniker. Torvalds, who shys away from the political controversies (he's just a hacker at heart), still credits Stallman and his tools that made his development possible. And the impetus behind Linux was a lot of free time for a undergrad on a 6+ year plan and a big desire to get his machine on the internet, or at least the university mail system. Minux was never intended to be anything more than a toy, a real life demonstration of textbook concepts. Oddly, Torvalds old professor is now the votemaster at electoral-vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/votemaster-faq.html), applying his energies to constructing scalable HTTP servers. Two of my former colleagues spent a few days with Richard Stallman and came back mentally scarred. He can be, um ... difficult. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Engels on June 27, 2008, 09:19:41 PM 10 percent of mac users are very computer savvy. the remaining 90 percent can barely operate a microwave. that is to apple's credit.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 09:36:31 PM 1. Apple is UNIX now, or more precisely a BSD variant, but no different than how Sun did Unix, IBM did AIX, HP did HPUX, Linus did Linux, etc.… Apple did what Sun had yearned to do, bring Unix to the desktop. Yes, Linux got there first, but they didn't get the mass appeal that finally is swaying Apple way — especially in laptops, Apple is selling like hotcakes (just hang in an Apple Store for a little bit, and the dozens of clerks can't keep running fast enough to keep up with all the MB and MBP (as well as iPods) flying out. That most don't have a clue they're running a *nix system underneath the hood doesn't make it any less relevant… …that Apple made a break with an inferior legacy OS while MS keeps bringing the cruft forward… MS made their break on the OS side when they switched the desktop OS from DOS to NT (Windows 98/ME to XP or maybe 2000 if you were in a corporate environment). NT was and is a decent enough kernel built by lots of ex-DEC people. The cruft that Windows is saddled with is their Win32 API for apps. That's what's killing them right now. Apple planned for their transition by having both Carbon (more similiar to the older Mac OS APIs) and Cocoa (new to Mac OS X and based on Objective C) APIs but they were also willing to break backwards compatibility with the pre-Mac OS X stuff where they had to to make sure the new stuff was as clean as possible while MS has obviously been reluctant to do that.Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 27, 2008, 09:42:44 PM This has caused a complete role reversal in who uses which OS at my workplace. I'm a creative type and on Wednesday I had a meeting with a technical type. My notebook was a PC and his was a Mac. Yup many Unix hackers who want to be able to use real GUI apps as well (it's hard to admit it but sometimes the command line is not enough) and have given up on the various Linux desktop efforts have been switching to the Mac with the release of Mac OS X. E.g. I've mentioned it before but all the "cool" Ruby on Rails hackers develop on Macs.Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Engels on June 27, 2008, 09:49:01 PM Although one might think Apple 'daring' for switching to APIs that killed backward compatibility with older Mac OS versions while Windows clings to Win32, one should also take into account software market share. From a business point of view, cutting off Windows XP for a hypothetical Vista w/o win32 APIs, would tempt people to switch platforms altogether. If Mac had a competitive office suite to compete with MS Office, switching to a new API would be positively suicidal for MS.
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 27, 2008, 10:13:29 PM …If Mac had a competitive office suite to compete with MS Office, switching to a new API would be positively suicidal for MS. While, I shun all word processor applications (please don't make me use Word and thank Gates, I don't have to anymore since I left the corporate rat treadmill), Apple does have the superior office suite now - iWork: * Pages or whatever it's called, can read Word documents and it is OS X friendly (unlike the abomination that is Word lumped onto OS X) * Numbers > Excel, by a large "spread", it's not even close… * KeyNote > PowerPoint Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Teleku on June 27, 2008, 10:18:36 PM While, I shun all word processor applications So, you hand write everything now?Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Engels on June 28, 2008, 07:35:02 AM I didn't know that apple made a 'serious' office suite. Again, however, its an uphill battle for Apple, especially since I doubt that its available for anything other than Apple operating systems, correct?
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 28, 2008, 08:22:33 AM While, I shun all word processor applications So, you hand write everything now?You've heard of text editors? Real programmers don't use word processors… Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Viin on June 28, 2008, 01:12:09 PM Your write your resume in a text editor?
Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Trippy on June 28, 2008, 03:46:58 PM Your write your resume in a text editor? Sure why not?Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 28, 2008, 03:48:11 PM Your write your resume in a text editor? Absolutely. It is in HTML/Latex format and I can output to .html and .pdf. And it looks a lot better than any Word document. And I don't bother with potential employers that are stringent about a receiving a Word document. Once, I had a recruiter insist on a Word document because she didn't know how to cut and paste out of a Adobe PDF file. Sorry, any outfit insisting on a Word document is not a place I want to work for. Only so much time in this life. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: Engels on June 28, 2008, 04:13:01 PM My boss is ludicrously old school.
Email : Pine console Text stuff: PDF : Ghostscript he's positively antideluvian. Title: Re: Bill Gates Last Day Post by: naum on June 28, 2008, 04:35:19 PM TextMate is my editor of choice these days though I still drop down into vi (especially in server mode) - you can't match it's fine keyboard control…
In TextMate, for text documents, use Multi-Markdown (a wiki like syntax) and then use the built in bundles to generate HTML/Latex/PDF/etc... …TextMate has so much other "bundle" power, that basically make any chore a one-keystroke/click affair from "look up Google I'm feeling lucky for this selected text and make a URL link out of it" to column mode to "run and show me debugger output", etc.... If I were to use a word processor, it would be Scrivener (Mac only I believe), and not Word, it is a writer's word processor with notecard ability and whole bunch of other nifty writer features in addition to easily generating PDF and other doc formats... |