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MMO Developers.

You are officially all on notice.

Everyone except Blizzard…

They don’t count because they’re off in some magical alternate universe where nobody ever goes hungry and the king of the Mushroom people writes all of your design documents and you get to ride a giant squid to work.

Oh yeah.. Raph isn’t included either. He’s pushing the envelope in a different way, so he gets a free pass.

But the rest of you.

Every last one of you.

YOU

ARE

ON

NOTICE.

Yes, even you POTBS.

And you LOTRO.

Every last one of you motherfuckers is in big big trouble.

You see, I came to a realization that in the past 2 years since I left SOE, none of you motherfuckers have done anything different.

Absolutely

Nothing

Different.

Every game, Beta, Alpha, Preview and whatever for these new releases and upcoming games is almost identical to every other fucking game before it.

The conversations are the same, the arguments are the same, the systems are the same, hell.. Even the graphics are the same (HELLO BLOCKY FANTASY CHARACTERS!).

What the fuck people? You’ve had plenty of time to impress us. You’ve got the technology, you have the know-how..

Why the same shit different day syndrome?

Yes, I know it’s hard. Yes, it’s difficult to design, yes, it’s also expensive.

But for fucks sake people.

You’re not even trying. Your development process and designs are insular. MMO’s today are the equivalent of Asian styled game designs.

Stagnant, insular, nichey and fucking weird. You cater to the edges of society and playstyles.

You focus on the dregs when you can be reinventing the actual state of play.

Social dynamics when combined with cutting edge AAA gameplay will elevate simple play to a level never reached in game development.

Leverage the console streamlining for gameplay, combine it with the social dynamics knowhow pushed by Raph and Co, and BAM.

You can make something far greater than the sum of it’s parts.

But Noooooo…

You’re content not even trying. You spend AAA game money on niche products. The 30 million dollar game for weirdos.

Long-tail shit is fine, but don’t spend 30 mil. Spend 5. Spend 2. Spend 30 on the real deal, spend 50 on the real deal.

So. You’ve all been warned. I want some better fucking games out of you people. Quit dicking around in the past and get to work.

I don’t want to have to come back there. I’ve got too much other shit to work on here.

If anything, give Freeman and Crew some cash so they can kick some life into this stupid market.

Oh yeah, addendum.

If you continue to refuse to acknowledge consoles as the de-facto standard for AAA gaming, you will go out of business.

Quit making PC games. It’s a waste of time and money.

Second Addendum : Also, I know APB is pushing the envelope but until I can play it, I don’t believe they can do it the way they are doing it.

You’re not even trying. Your development process and designs are insular. MMO’s today are the equivalent of Asian styled game designs.

Let me get this straight...the chief designer of NGE, which can be argued was the single most destructive redesign to hit an MMO, is getting on MMO designers for not following his path to madness? Maybe Eastern Europe will keep him.

You are officially all on notice.

Surly, Engels, I like you guys, but really (Oh, and this goes for all people who complain about the NGE like it was the death of SWG):

It was crap before.

He may have created the NGE, but did he push it out?

What's he going to do if they don't comply? Use more harsh language?

http://rubenfield.com/?p=63

He does sound like he's been reading too much f13.

Not only did he push it out, he was the reason there was no notice.

What's he going to do if they don't comply? Use more harsh language?

Serek Dmart changed his name?

I believe that ForumBot 0.8 beta has gained sentience and has started to blog.

You say that as if 'starting to blog' is an indicator of sentience. I'm not so sure.

Caveat - This is not an argument. I will attempt to speak honestly about these elements, to give you perspective. For those of you who want to misconstrue it, or perceive it as some “ZOMG YOU ROONED SWG”, please proceed to the back of the room where you can quietly eat a dick. OM NOM NOM.

For the rest, I look forward to a well versed and intelligent discourse on the nature of a creative business, and how to better approach difficult situations in the future.

begin article here. You dick eaters quiet down. *om nom nom*

So, I just logged back in to discover that a bunch of you whackjobs have turned one of these threads into some misguided personal grievance with the SWG NGE.

So first.

If I have ever created something that you didn’t like or that brought you sadness, I apologize.

That is never the goal of a game developer.

However.

Let us set the record straight.

Let us set the history of the Star Wars Galaxies NGE into something that makes a little more sense to those from the outside.

First, some ground rules.

I am a game designer. I make video games. I manage teams, develop features, and turn the creative insanity that is game development into demonstrable and sellable products.

A lot of this manifests itself in the form of direct implementation. Scripting, writing, hands on content development.

I do not sit in a room and give orders. Generally, nobody I’ve worked with ever did this.

We provided a means to create something to make money.

As professional developers, it is our job to execute on these types of creative endeavors within the context of limited finances, linear time, and sometimes explicit creative direction.

Sometimes this context is direction from Raph Koster. Sometimes it is to meet a marketing need, other times it is one of business decisions.

At times, I describe it as, ‘If someone asks for pink fluffy bunnies, we give then bunnies done to the best of our abilities. If we don’t like those, we can still deliver the best bunnies based off of our understanding of the marketplace.”

That is what we do. All of this is tempered with reality. Sometimes people get sick. Sometimes things take longer than we’d like. Sometimes things end up more or less fun than we intended.

This is the job of a designer.

This is what I did on UO, Galaxies, JTL and every other game I worked and am working on.

So we were given the directive to make Galaxies better.

Not just make Galaxies better, but make it succesful. Not the 200k subs it had, but really succesful. The idea was that we had the most valuable IP in the entire world, and we fucked it up to the point of having 200k subs.

And yes, all 200k of you were important, but 200k means nothing in the scheme of things.

I worked on Galaxies for around 5 and a half years. That’s a long time.

Before we launched, I wrote the combat system, mission system, spawning system.

I wrote the combat model for JTL, implemented Content development tools and ship interior systems and more.

Hell, I implemented the original Jedi System in 2 weeks after we launched. Not because it was how we wanted it, but because we had 2 weeks to do it.

I have the understanding of where we went wrong and how. I see the misteps and how the experience was misaligned with what most people wanted from a Star Wars game.

So, when the NGE push came along, we were asked to reimagine the game.

Not just small changes, but rebuild it.

And it was needed. When we were asked, we were bleeding subscribers.

If I remember correctly, somewhere around 10k a month. LOSING 10,000 subs a month.

It was not idyllic. You can remember it as an amazing game, but it wasn’t.

Hell, all of you who recall the grand ole days of launch seem to conveniently forget that everyone quit shortly afterwards.

It’s similiar to the UO rose colored glasses. Everyone remembers the positives, but nobody remembers how unpalatable UO was before Trammel. Nobody acknowledges that after Renaissance, UO’s numbers rose from 110k to 220k.

But I digress.

WOW was out. SWG was niche and clunky.

We were asked to imagine something new and unique. To push it to the next level. Originally, it was specced as a tutorial. A tutorial paired with a new marketing push, new and grandiose relaunch that would recapture the magic that we missed when we first released.

But a tutorial wasn’t enough. We scrambled to come up with something more impressive.

We tested out a new combat system on a whim. I did a quick prototype and we discussed it internally.

The difference was the control scheme, not the rules. You clicked, You shot.

When we demonstrated it, the first comment was “Wooooah….”

And the producer left the room.

He came back shortly and was torn. He knew that we had to make the change. It was THAT much better.

We did a side by side comparison. We tried to play the old system. We couldn’t.

However, we made a mistake.

Somewhere during the discussions it was strongly recommended that we streamline our characters.

People wanted something simpler, more direct, more accessible.

We told them. “If you do this, you will lose all 200k subscribers. It is that significant.”

It was explained that we would gain more due to the marketing push and relaunch.

So, we pushed forward.

If I remember the dates correctly, we did our NGE conversion in 2-3 months of solid crunch. It was some of the heaviest crunch I’ve ever done.

We had an immovable date, and an insane set of features.

We were working in parallel, maintaining old code on the off chance that we would pull the plug on the implementation.

We launched, the marketing push failed, and we lost subscribers.

It was a misread at an organizational level. Marketing, Production, community. You name it.

Epoch grade fuckup.

But.

The fuckup was NOT the changes.

Let me say it again, louder, for those who do not get it.

THE FUCKUP WAS NOT THE CHANGES.

Galaxies NGE made it more playable. I think it lost a lot of the Raphy goodness that makes MMOs work, and that was a profound loss.

But the general idea was sound.

The control scheme was a good idea.

Losing the character skill system was not.

But, that’s not the point.

The point, the fuckup, the mistake that we made, was answering an unasked question.

“Can you change an MMO drastically after it launches?”

Categorically, NO.

If we were to do it again, and wanted to make those types of changes, you have to make a new game.

Relaunch with a new title.

Or shut down Galaxies and relaunch for real.

You cannot change it at runtime.

BUT!

And this is a HUGE but.

Right as I left SOE, post NGE..

Galaxies was subscriber positive.

A few thousand, but it was a far cry from the 10k per month we were losing.

A lot of you were upset. A lot of you still seem to be upset. I’m sorry if you feel betrayed, or that we ruined something you liked.

But I’m proud of the work I and the rest of the team did. I’m proud of the choices we made, the direction we took. ALL of SWG.

JTL, NGE, Launch, Jedi Fuckups. You name it.

We made mistakes. We made a LOT of mistakes. We crunched, we argued, we fired people, we hired people.

But we fucking launched a goddamned game. We launched a SECOND succesful MMO (post-uo). We made a fucking amazing space game using the same fucking game engine, integrated action combat, interior spaceships and in 9 MOTHERFUCKING MONTHS, all while running a succesful, cash positive product.

NGE was done in 3-4 months by a team of people. I am proud of the work that we did, even if I am torn about the end product.

So those who think it’s about blame or credit or who ruined what or how great it used to be when kids didn’t swear so much…

Take a deep breath and move on. Times change. Games don’t last forever.

Except UO. It’s still running. And I bet people are still pissed about some fucked up code I wrote in 1997.

That, I am genuinely sorry for.

And Finally, a telling Anecdote that I think came from Gordon Walton originally.

A cancellation email from UO came in. A diatribe, really.

It want on and on about how shitty the game was, how it was the worst piece of crap he’d ever played.

So, someone called him to find out some information.

They asked how long he played for.

His answer?

2 years.

But we fucking launched a goddamned game.

I dunno, dick eating aside I don't see anything so surprising or controversial there.

1) SWG wasted the best IP in the world
2) You can't reboot a released game
3) They worked really hard, but it just didn't come together

And yes, all 200k of you were important, but 200k means nothing in the scheme of things.

And yes, all 200k of you were important, but 200k means nothing in the scheme of things.

That statement is not internally consistent.

A 200k sub MMO isn't something to downplay... unless it has the biggest geek IP on the planet stamped all over it. SWG should have been so much bigger.

My response. (http://brokentoys.org/2008/06/12/good-apollo-dear-god-the-internet-it-burns-iv-srsly-dude/)

I don't get it. Is all the "srsly" and "oh no you didn't" shit meant to be scarcastic? Because you only want to do that once, then point is made. Repeating it just brings your reply down to the level of the thing you're replying to. And you don't want that.

I assume that was the point, in order to mock how poorly written it was.

Note that since all this was written the architect in question has heavily edited his piece (http://rubenfield.com/?p=86) to be, as he put it, less assy. In so doing removing a lot of what launched my initial NERD RAGE.

Should or could? Star Wars has never been a huge RPG IP compared to Dungeons and Dragons, and we saw how many subs DDO got. I still think a Star Wars MMORPG is a niche of a niche, and was never destined for huge sub numbers compared to other online games.

Maybe a Star Wars online game that wasn't an RPG... maybe.

Hot-shot senior developer comes up with idea for redesign, shows others.
Developers go "Wow!  We couldn't.  Could we?  We could you know!"
Evangelise to producers, who go through the same process
Dev locks self in room, writes bulk of code

That's not actually that different from what he said, except that he threw in extra step:

Marketing people decide that classes need revamping.

Jeezuschristo (http://www.utip.info/cheesetoastie/images/artists/christo_umbrellas.jpg). Can we either Den this or find some mythical way to not turn this into a what-went-wrong-with SWG discussion?

A 200k sub MMO isn't something to downplay... unless it has the biggest geek IP on the planet stamped all over it. SWG should have been so much bigger.

We're living on the Age of Apocalypse Earth of MMOs where Blizzard is king. Sadly, SWG is the Jubilee of games.

Before we launched, I wrote the combat system, mission system, spawning system.

Does this make wow the wolverine of mmo's? overexposed, trite and still massively popular? What is EQ2, cyclops?

Jeezuschristo (http://www.utip.info/cheesetoastie/images/artists/christo_umbrellas.jpg). Can we either Den this or find some mythical way to not turn this into a what-went-wrong-with SWG discussion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJvxEjGpIqU

Wow, that's... what's... that's... wow. Not too bad actually. :)

And now I have a name to go with whom wrote them.  :x

Wow, that's... what's... that's... wow. Not too bad actually. :)

Who? What's the name? :)

Japanese version...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Vnv2p9_ww

I wrote the combat system, mission system, spawning system. I wrote
the combat model for JTL, implemented all of the development tools and
ship interior systems and more.

Hell, I implemented the original Jedi System

BUT!

And this is a HUGE but.

Right as I left SOE, post NGE..

Galaxies was subscriber positive.

The domain name of the blog is your first big clue. The second is that he worked on SWG. In other words:

 :google:

or just read the full thread, his name is mentioned on the first page.

TL had atmosphere but the feel of combat absolutely sucked compared with other space combat games.

Problem: what other space combat games?

BUT!

And this is a HUGE but.

Right as I left SOE, post NGE..

Galaxies was subscriber positive.

Problem: what other space combat games?

Are you that AW guy?

Speaking of female twi'leks, there's something ELSE AoC did that SWG should have  :grin: