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Title: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 02, 2008, 03:27:41 AM
So, Donnie Darko was pretty much cinematic perfection.  Its that rare type of film that is incomprehensible on first viewing, and yet is emotionally powerful enough to be effective, whether or not the viewer realizes what they have seen.  The story is tightly woven and no detail is unimportant.  Once understood, there is little room for interpretation. 

I ask then, why in the fuck would anyone even consider the idea of a sequel?

S. Darko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Darko) "follows Donnie Darko's younger sister, Samantha, who, in the wake of his death, has found herself at age 17 with a broken family, mired in feelings of insignificance." 

Is this a joke?  For anyone who isn't immediately repulsed by this, let me draw a comparison to another film from which Darko borrowed quite a bit (and gives a nod to.)  How would you do a sequel to Last Temptation of Christ?  It could follow Mary Megdelaine, who, in the wake of Jesus' death, has found herself at age 35 with a broken family, mired in feelings of insignificance.  It doesn't work because, frankly, it is insignificant.  He saved the fucking world - not in the Bruce Willis way, but the messiah way.  There is no sequel!

Richard Kelly obviously has nothing to do with this.  Chris Fisher, a television director, is filming now.  I'm guessing there will be no Sparkle Motion, which would be the only reason I'd bother to see it.

More?  Elizabeth Berkley, aka Showgirl, is attached.  Joy. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1231277/)

This will be in the $2.99 bin at Best Buy faster than Blair Witch 2.  Which is arguably better than the original Blair Witch, but I digress.




Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: schild on June 02, 2008, 04:03:26 AM
This is inexplicable.

I can't even call it a moneygrab.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Ironwood on June 02, 2008, 04:35:40 AM
I agree with everything you said except this :



 Once understood, there is little room for interpretation.



Doing a sequel is stoopid.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: HaemishM on June 02, 2008, 08:44:38 AM
Richard Kelly obviously has nothing to do with this.  Chris Fisher, a television director, is filming now. 

That should tell you everything you need to know to avoid the fuck out of this.

Go watch Southland Tales instead.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 02, 2008, 09:49:05 AM
Its on my queue.  The generally negative reviews of it are encouraging.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: HaemishM on June 02, 2008, 10:16:08 AM
If you liked Donnie Darko, I think you'll like Southland Tales. It's not as good, but I liked it a lot.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: tazelbain on June 02, 2008, 11:52:09 AM
Highlander 2!


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Sky on June 02, 2008, 12:26:53 PM
Basic Instinct 2!


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 02, 2008, 12:29:41 PM
Breakin' 2: Electric boogaloo


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Pennilenko on June 02, 2008, 12:54:16 PM
Breakin' 2: Electric boogaloo

Thats some quality right there.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Simond on June 02, 2008, 02:17:47 PM
The Crow: City of Angels.

 :ye_gods:


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Paelos on June 02, 2008, 02:18:54 PM
Mortal Kombat: Annihilation


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Merusk on June 02, 2008, 02:25:38 PM
Starship Troopers 2

The Matrix: Reloaded

Porky's II

Teen Wolf Too

Dumb and Dumberer

Jaws IV

Speed 2

Weekend at Bernie's II

Caddyshack 2


I can go on.. tremble at the horror.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Phildo on June 02, 2008, 02:35:52 PM
Leonard Part 6


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 02, 2008, 02:42:37 PM
I'm calling the thread here:

Cannonball Run 2

Raise away.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Phildo on June 02, 2008, 02:49:53 PM
Blues Brothers 2...000


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: veredus on June 02, 2008, 03:06:43 PM
Tremors 1

through 4


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Rishathra on June 02, 2008, 03:23:13 PM
I call your Cannonball Run 2 and raise...

(http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/L10806868.jpg)


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 02, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
Didn't the first one suck though?

Admittedly, I almost folded on Blues Brothers 2000, but I'm not sure I consider that a true sequel per se. Could only stomach parts of it though.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Rishathra on June 02, 2008, 03:26:10 PM
I was going on "bad sequels."  I didn't know the rule was "bad sequels to good movies."

How about...

(http://ricksflickspicks.animationblogspot.com/files/2006/11/NextKarateKid.jpg)


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 02, 2008, 03:31:19 PM
Bah, that was the fourth one  :grin:

Yea, sorry, thought it was horrific sequels to good original movies.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 02, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
Yes, as the above posts point out, there are constantly bad sequels to good movies.  However, my point was that the events depicted in Darko cannot have a sequel of substance.  What could possibly be as important as what Donnie does?  This is why I mentioned Last Temptation - both films deal with insanity, The Maker, alternate realities, doing what is good above what is desired, and ultimately, the salvation of mankind.  How can you create a sequel to that?

Oh, you all forgot Big Top Peewee - that was a travesty of epic proportions.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 02, 2008, 04:29:28 PM
What I always get a kick of is "Final Destination #"

You've already got two definitive endings: "Final" and "Destination". There's something more?! It's like saying "infinite infinities" or some shit. Milk milk milk.

Otherwise, yea, unfortunately your profound question go dragged through brinkmanship  :grin:


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Phildo on June 02, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
Cruel Intentions 2
Wild Things 2


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 02, 2008, 04:54:18 PM
There was a Cruel Intentions 2?

That's like making a Merchant of Venice 2.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Phildo on June 02, 2008, 04:59:37 PM
Even funnier:

(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2092/b0001ljckc01lzzzzzzzkb5.jpg)


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 02, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
I'm looking for words to describe... but I think the film tagline says it all.  An Immoral Playground of Seduction and Revenge.  That making of that movie was immoral and apparently revenge on me for kind of liking the first one.

Although Cruel Intentions was not a bad film, it was a completely taken out of context and lesser Dangerous Liasons.

Another example of what I'm talking about is 2010.  While there certainly is some room for interpretation of 2001, there was no need for a sequel.  2001 takes place before, during and after the current state of man.  2010 brings us back to modern man in an attempt to tie everything up.  That's an unnecessary regression of the story.  My point is - bad sequels to great films are the product of misinterpretation.  Throw any Psycho sequel into that category as well.

And I don't want to in any way discourage the making of bad films.  They are a large part of my viewing entertainment.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 02, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
2010 was first a book. Now, you could argue the book wasn't necessarily needed. However, it still set the stage for a few interesting things in the series, and at least brought some closure.

The movie was a big departure on details, but similar at least in premise. But like Hunt for Red October, those departures made it a better movie than a true adaptation of the book would have.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: K9 on June 03, 2008, 02:17:11 AM
30 Upcoming Movie Sequels You Didn't Know about (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13412/30_upcoming_movie_sequels_you_didnt_know_about.html?redux)

I wasn't sure how kosher this list was so I checked some of them against imdb, all of them are listed there, although a fair few are distant "development projects" which I guess may or may not ever see the light of day.

I'm not sure how I'm going to take Paul Verhoeven directing the Thomas Crown Affair 2, it doesn't really seem to be in his line of work.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Tebonas on June 03, 2008, 02:39:11 AM
Didn't Chev die at the end of Crank? How will that work? Making him survive that ruins the whole movie for me.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 03, 2008, 04:10:31 AM
Hey Darniaq, Final Destination 4 is on that list.

There's too much to quote, but Cliffhanger 2?  Why?

And Michael Bay remaking Nightmare on Elm Street?  Whyer?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Jeff Kelly on June 03, 2008, 04:57:14 AM
Another example of what I'm talking about is 2010.  While there certainly is some room for interpretation of 2001, there was no need for a sequel.  2001 takes place before, during and after the current state of man.  2010 brings us back to modern man in an attempt to tie everything up.  That's an unnecessary regression of the story.  My point is - bad sequels to great films are the product of misinterpretation.  Throw any Psycho sequel into that category as well.

That depends at least 2010 was an Arthur C. Clarke novel that was turned into a movie


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Jeff Kelly on June 03, 2008, 05:01:00 AM
By the way they are remaking "The taking of Pelham 123". They don't even try anymore or what?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Murgos on June 03, 2008, 05:10:27 AM
30 Upcoming Movie Sequels You Didn't Know about (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13412/30_upcoming_movie_sequels_you_didnt_know_about.html?redux)


Jason Stratham is apparently in all of them.

Also, American Psycho 2.  I mean srsly?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Murgos on June 03, 2008, 05:14:50 AM
Starship Troopers 2


"Starship Troopers 3: Marauder: Casper Van Diem is back, but it’s still going straight to DVD, as the piss-awful second film did. It’s due out later this year."

From the link above.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: HaemishM on June 03, 2008, 06:24:34 AM
30 Upcoming Movie Sequels You Didn't Know about (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13412/30_upcoming_movie_sequels_you_didnt_know_about.html?redux)

Jesus Christ, they should call that list "30 Movies that Should NEVER EVER EVER BE MADE." Fuck me, there are some sequels to some real stinkiers on that one. Ghost Rider 2? REALLY? After the facehumping assspelunking that was that first movie?

Also, shitty sequels to good movies: Scream 2


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: K9 on June 03, 2008, 06:43:08 AM
They could do a good job with an I Robot 2 if they decided to make up another of Asimov's Short stories, rather than make a direct sequel. However this would be too much for many moviegoers to comprehend I think.

Toy Story 3 could be not-awful, the rest though I more-or-less agree.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Merusk on June 03, 2008, 06:48:25 AM
Starship Troopers 2


"Starship Troopers 3: Marauder: Casper Van Diem is back, but it’s still going straight to DVD, as the piss-awful second film did. It’s due out later this year."

From the link above.

Yeah, I saw that.  The 2nd movie really REALLY sucked.  Not only did it switch genres from "action movie" to "thriller" the whole script was just awful and took itself too seriously.   A far cry from the campy explosion laden original.  I hope they're going back to the formula of the first, but I expect it'll still suck.



Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: HaemishM on June 03, 2008, 06:49:35 AM
The trailer leads me to believe Starship Troopers 3 will be a return to the campy shit of the original, but it still looks Sci-Fi original movie level of shit.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Samwise on June 03, 2008, 09:07:41 AM
Didn't Chev die at the end of Crank? How will that work? Making him survive that ruins the whole movie for me.

Prequel?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: murdoc on June 03, 2008, 09:27:20 AM
Didn't Chev die at the end of Crank? How will that work? Making him survive that ruins the whole movie for me.

Prequel?

Nope, it's definitely a sequel.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/11/14/more-crank-2-details-revealed/


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Samwise on June 03, 2008, 09:37:26 AM
Maybe he's a ZOMBIE!   :drill:


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Tebonas on June 03, 2008, 09:43:13 AM
Quote
“Chev faces a Chinese mobster who has stolen his nearly indestructible heart and replaced it with a battery-powered artificial ticker that requires regular jolts of electricity to keep working.”

Heh, that sounds so stupid it could work.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Sky on June 03, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
Iron Man crossover?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Azazel on June 03, 2008, 01:18:01 PM
What I always get a kick of is "Final Destination #"

You've already got two definitive endings: "Final" and "Destination". There's something more?! It's like saying "infinite infinities" or some shit. Milk milk milk.

Otherwise, yea, unfortunately your profound question go dragged through brinkmanship  :grin:

Also, see:
Final Fight 2. and 3. and so forth.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 03, 2008, 04:54:28 PM
Also, shitty sequels to good movies: Scream 2

Right on.  That's the kind of movie I was looking for.  Scream was a damn good movie because it was barely disguised satire of horror.  You can't make a sequel to that because the cat's out of the bag halfway through the first movie.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Grand Design on June 03, 2008, 05:04:34 PM
That depends at least 2010 was an Arthur C. Clarke novel that was turned into a movie

Yes, I'm not saying that 2010 wasn't a good work, but it was Clarke's sequel to 2001, which was written with Kubrick as the film was made.  The film was an atomic piece of work that didn't need anything appended to it. 2010 definitely doesn't fall into the category of shitty sequels, just unnecessary.

And S. Darko could be the best fucking movie of the year, but it will still be unnecessary.

 


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Rendakor on June 03, 2008, 09:17:23 PM
Butterfly Effect 2


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: schild on June 04, 2008, 07:40:56 AM
Beverly Hills Cop 4?

ROSEWOOD IS BACK?

Look, call me a retard. But I'll rush to theaters for that. I hope they remaster the theme. Hur hur.

Same with Silent Hill 4.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain about Jurassic Park 4 though.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Phildo on June 04, 2008, 09:17:38 AM
Jurassic Park 4 will work, but only if Jason Statham is in it.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Sky on June 04, 2008, 10:54:57 AM
Jurassic Park 4 will work, but only if Jason Statham is in it.
As a dinosaur. Featuring Stathasaurus!

And Jesus saddle him.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: K9 on June 04, 2008, 11:21:34 AM
Jurassic Park 4 will work, but only if Jason Statham is in it.

I wholeheartedly endorse this sentiment.


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Venkman on June 04, 2008, 05:18:36 PM
30 Upcoming Movie Sequels You Didn't Know about (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13412/30_upcoming_movie_sequels_you_didnt_know_about.html?redux)


Jason Stratham is apparently in all of them.

Also, American Psycho 2.  I mean srsly?
Shrek 5?!  :ye_gods: Shit, I swear, anything Mike Meyers does automatically gets 17 freakin' sequels. I loved the first one, sorta enjoyed the second, skipped the third, and wasn't even aware there was a fourth.

War of the Worlds 2 directed by C Thomas Howell sounds like the sequel to the not-Tom Cruise one. I never saw it outside of listings on the sci-fi channel that I could browse faster past.

Finally, Jurassic Park 4?! As if the last two didn't completely suck?


Title: Re: S. Darko
Post by: Merusk on June 05, 2008, 03:17:58 AM
Shrek 5?!  :ye_gods: Shit, I swear, anything Mike Meyers does automatically gets 17 freakin' sequels. I loved the first one, sorta enjoyed the second, skipped the third, and wasn't even aware there was a fourth.

There isn't, yet.  The 3rd did well enough they green lighted TWO sequels.

Yes, Hollywood is indeed fucked up and so out of ideas that sequels are a foregone conclusion.  So when you get a REALLY good movie series, you go ahead with multiple sequels at once, apparently.   Hey, worked for Pirates!   :uhrr: :oh_i_see: