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http://www.camelotherald.com/polls/

Involution for the win.

That said it would be fun if they brought back old frontiers AND consolidated it into just one Emain shared by the three realms.

In any way it will only bring back not more than an handful of players.

HRose, do you have a Google Nerd Alert for things like "DAOC" and "PASTA?"

Edit: Here's you look for things to post in:

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You've become a parody, dude.

Classic (good) + Old Frontiers (meh) + no buffbots (good)

Thing is I would imagine most players left have sucked it up and got themselves a bot by now, so I don't really see this being as important as the original classic servers.

And I don't see the attraction of Old Frontiers.

I liked old frontiers better than new because they were smaller.  I played Midgard. If I played Hib, then I probably wouldn't have liked it.

I never saw him posting about pasta. That sounds like my territory.

I will be making pasta this evening.

I offered to make the SO some fancy pasta with homemade red sauce of some sort, but she insists on making beef stew instead.   :uhrr:

DAOC is almost dead as a game IMHO. AOC, once its more stable, will probably put a big dent in what's left of their population.

So I was reading up on this, and the amount of rose coloured nostalgia floating around the idea is going to create some spectacular fail.


Even all the gameplay and mechanics aside, DaoC plays like it is, old. You turn slow, You run slow, you 'slide' when you stop. People are going to come back from WoW or wherever, spend 5 minutes fighting the controls and go right back to where they came from.


I have a lot of  :heart: for DaoC, but it's ARCHAIC. There is a lot of Lore/Flavour/Atmosphere in the three realms, lots of good ideas and unique ways of playing, but it's all half-assed or presented poorly.


Maybe I'll check it out if they offer another 'please come back, please' trial again, but I doubt it. The horse, she be dead.


Really, I want a DaoC 2, but that's probably MY nostalgia talking  :oh_i_see:

I loved DAoC. Hands down favorite of the MMO's. But it's most certainly dead, Jim.

I'm pretty sure I can't play DAOC again, but I can still enjoy original Zelda for some odd reason.

I have issues playing the original, the SNES version I can play all day though.

FAQ (http://www.camelotherald.com/section.php?id=43) for if anyone cares.

Summary is theurgist gets removed (HAH), no expansions (not even SI, though midgard does get valks), no more bgs, level 20+ pvp objectives in the frontiers combined with anti-griefing methods, as well as a bunch of balance stuff (no mez longer than 20 or so seconds).

They are looking around august/sept to do this.

It's too bad daoc is passed it's prime cause I'd hit this.  Also leveling without catacombs would make me weep.

If they address block rates and shield spec (9s anytime stun and engage need to be removed), I'll probably resub to play.  Sure, it will get boring after a few weeks but what the hell.

WAR must have slipped to 2009 then.

My thoughts are more along the lines of WAR releasing around november or december, thus this is the "goodbye daoc" event, giving a few months of "refreshed fun" before everyone bails for WAR.

I'm still not convinced that you two aren't the same person.  :-)

I never thought I'd see the day when Sword and Board tanks were the new overpowered class.

Brings a tear to my eye.  :cry:

They are pretty crazy when they get a lifetap (reavers) or a self HoT (valkyries) in 1v1.  Add that reavers get TWF and it's a painful fight against one. 

Ahh, Reavers were always a strong 1v1 class, Valks came in after I stopped playing so I only know 'of' them.



I was thinking more like Hero's and Warriors when I meant Sword and Board tanks (well warriors could switch on the fly). When I played DaoC, the only reaction my shield Hero brought from the enemy was "oh thank God, he doesn't have a fucking LargeWeapon!". My warrior had a similar effect, "Good, it isn't another zerk/savage!".

Still had the 'melee trinity' going then, so the only thing I was blocking was arrows, arrows and other sword/board users. Then they added the Bodyguard ability, but made it like, ML8 or some nonsense. So all those LargeWeapon hero's could do the Job I specced for, better then me, because I refused to sit through all that ToA shit... I stopped playing soon after.

/totally not bitter  :awesome_for_real:

I didn't play past 2 months, hated the grind, and hated that meele was pretty pathetic.  They sure changed alot of the game it sounds like...

Would be cool to play a game where meele is king.

Really depended on which patch you were on. The Nerfs in DaoC shifted so much power among the classes so rapidly, you could literally go from God mode to RealmPoint Bag over night.


It was *never* small, gradual changes to abilities. Never minor tweaks. The used the sledge hammer or did nothing at all.

You weren't kidding. It seemed like I had to roll a new toon after most major patches because my previous one became unplayable. In fact the very first archer nerf was the reason I took an extended break from the game.

And then you went to the bottom of the stack and you weren't looked at for 12-18 months. That was the part that really really stung. You knew it wasn't going to get fixed for a very very long time.

Then there was the rationale from Mythic that "Lots of people still play the class, It can't be THAT bad!" in a game that (at the time) took months of shit-tastic grinding to have another RvR worthy character.


/still not bitter  :awesome_for_real:

There was always a level 19 24 bondancer twink in thidranki to make you feel all better.  :drill:

Edit: I forgot the levels for BGs. Oops.

You know, I'd go back to DAOC if they pulled a free two months like EQ2 did. I might even stay after the free time was up, though that might won't necessarily translate into dollars for Mythic.

To pay to come back? No, not gonna do it.

I found some version of it on ebay about 4 months ago with every expansion on one DVD for like $20. So I picked it up and played for the free month. It was still very fun. The leveling is stupid easy now. I got to 49 without much effort and I played very casually. I wanted to try the classic servers. Trouble is there is so much new crap from all the expansions that it may as well have been TOA for me. Though admittedly the champion stuff was very doable solo. I'll probably go back for the new server though I'm really hoping they do a come back to camelot thing for it. The question is will I be able to stomach the crappy interface and slow movement beyond 2 weeks.

I think it's really hard if not impossible to play a PVP game like DAOC or Eve or Shadowbane in any sort of casual way. You need to be attached to others, you need a solid guild/corp/whatever. You need to keep up on everything in the game. If you're going to be casual at pvp, you're better off doing sport pvp in wow.

In DaoC, you could always latch onto the Zerg. Which is how most people got their PVP fix in DaoC. The game only *really* started to suffer once all the OTHER things wrong with it (DaoC), drove off enough players to seriously hamper the Zerg generation. Without a proper Zerg, the casual folks would just be meat for the hardcore gank groups which in turn would cause the casual folks to get frustrated and leave, which would shrink the Zerg some more, which would etc...


DaoC got really stupid if you were on a realm where /who frontiers resulted in 1 gank group, 1 stealth group and Me+AssBot defending a tower.


As long as the zerg was healthy, everyone could play, could contribute and could have fun. It also helped generate a sense of team across the realm and a sense of actual war, but without all the nasty Item/Territory loss from games like EVE or Shadowbane.

The only skill you needed to join a zerg, was knowing how to read the frontier map or work the /who command to find who owned the Frontier chat group currently.

You are 100% correct.  It's not just MMOs, but FPS and any competitive game.  I recall Sky talking about 'training sessions' for playing with his clan in BF:1942 and was aghast.  Sure, it makes sense but fuck that.  I'm here for fun, and in full-on PVP games, you simply can't do that without being a sheep or a random ganker.

That's the first time I've ever looked at "teh zerg" in a positive light. I think you hit on something that I missed or took for granted in the past. Nice post, Fordel.

I ran solo in emain a lot. So usually I was playing dodge the zerg. So fun though to mezz someone off the back of the zerg and take them out when their group left them in the dust.  :drill:

Solo in Emain for my Hero usually meant hide behind the AM wall and hope it's our stealthers that own it currently.

What he said, DAoC is pretty much the only diku where casuals have ever been able to pvp in the achiever end game.


As we've discussed previously, the other approach taken by WoW is to have separate casual and achiever end game pvp. Personally I've always thought that defeats the purpose of a realm identity - if you're doing various grades of sport pvp you might as well build it guild vs guild, since with entirely separate end games like WoW, there is no social interaction and no way for players to move quickly between achiever groups and casual groups anyhow.

Oh fuck. Now that hurts.  :ye_gods:

The simplest way to "balance" RvR, gank groups, high RR's, and lowbies and newbies is equalize all movement speed in the frontiers.  Avoiding fights that can't be won is as important as the actual fighting itself.

Ranged instas render this a non-issue.  I think you're lobbying for removal of the Speed of Sound RA.  This is the single greatest tool for avoiding cc while fleeing/hitting a fight.

It always amazed me how few people understood that although SoS allowed you to move whilst mezzed, you still couldn't attack while mezzed; it is purely an escape tool.

I wouldn't say it's only an escape tool.  SoS helps when closing on a group, mid-fight it can gain position for healers/casters, it can also help gain an advantage on Alb extension groups if you happen to be Mid/Hib.  SoS has many wonderful uses. 

It's a movement tool.


Man that was hard  :oh_i_see:

Mine was far more descriptive!