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Title: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: sinij on April 16, 2008, 02:03:38 PM I came across interesting "study", it appears that pretty races in World of Warcraft (Alliance) tend to be younger, played by females a lot more and suck at coordinated PvP. Not sure how credible this study is, but it sounds interesting.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784277309&sid=1 Quote We recently did a study on World of Warcraft players. The focus of the study was PvP. We were privately funded by an “industry insider” that does market research for gaming companies. The study may be published when both studies are complete. I am permitted to release some of the results of the study here. The studies began in February 2007, and ran through February 2008. Over 1800 Horde players were interviewed. Over 2100 Alliance players were involved. The focus of the PvP study was the player mindset in PvP, and to understand some of the disparity in the battlegrounds. Why does Alliance still, overall, dominate Alterac Valley? Why does Horde dominate the other three battlegrounds? We were after 1000 players on each side to complete the study. The study was done in San Francisco, Phoenix, and New York. Players were observed in groups of 10 for each faction at a time over a 3 month period. The rest of the data was from interviews. Perhaps in a subsequent post I’ll post some of the results from the interviews. The criteria were simple: • The character’s must be level 70, and have at least 10 days played at 70 • The player must be 18 years or older (they had to be able to sign releases) • The player cannot have any arena gear (except season 1 gear) • The player has to be the original owner of the character Some interesting stats during our player finding efforts (which took 6 months): • Horde average age was 24 • Alliance average age was 17 • Very few Horde don’t have any arena gear (12%) • Quite a few Alliance don’t have any arena gear (31%) • 1 in 8 Alliance players are female • 1 in 17 Horde players are female • 87% of Horde and 74% of Alliance players over 18 were high-school graduates • 78% of Horde and 54% of Alliance played their true gender • We had to interview over 300 more Alliance players in order to find enough that were 18 or older. Gear stats: • Horde’s average “Resilience” was 202, among the 1000 participants • Alliance’s average “Resilience” was 87, among the 1000 • Average +Healing for healers was 1013 for Alliance, and 944 for Horde • With arena gear factored in (all 1800 Horde, and all 2100 Alliance), average “Resilience” was 277 for Horde, and 117 for Alliance. • Even on PvP gear, Alliance filled gem slots more suited to PvE What we found: In all four battlegrounds, the Horde nearly always killed healers, or at least attacked them. Horde used crowd control techniques 73% of the time when it was feasible. Alliance only used these techniques 44% of the time. Alliance healers healed far more effectively, ironically, than Horde healers. But, given the disparity in gear, they’d have to in order to compensate. Horde fiercely guarded objectives 85% of the time, leaving 2 to 3 players to guard each objective. Alliance only guarded objectives 67% of the time, and generally only 1 or 2 players guarded. The Horde defenders tended to be complementary classes (i.e. Healer + Crowd Control + DPS). Alliance was completely unpredictable. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Calandryll on April 16, 2008, 02:11:35 PM I love data like this, but I am confused as to how to reconcile these two factors:
The player must be 18 years or older (they had to be able to sign releases) and Alliance average age was 17 If everyone in the survey had to be over 18, how was the average age only 17? Or did only part of the study have that requirement? Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Triforcer on April 16, 2008, 02:13:19 PM It is SO satisfying to have all my beliefs about the Alliance confirmed in one fell swoop. :oh_i_see:
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: sinij on April 16, 2008, 02:13:39 PM I love data like this, but I am confused as to how to reconcile these two factors: The player must be 18 years or older (they had to be able to sign releases) and Alliance average age was 17 If everyone in the survey had to be over 18, how was the average age only 17? Or did only part of the study have that requirement? Further down in original post (one on WoW message board) it was explained that they asked age first, but only allowed participation for people 18+. That is if you are 12, your age gets recorded but you don't get to participate. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Calandryll on April 16, 2008, 02:15:39 PM I love data like this, but I am confused as to how to reconcile these two factors: The player must be 18 years or older (they had to be able to sign releases) and Alliance average age was 17 If everyone in the survey had to be over 18, how was the average age only 17? Or did only part of the study have that requirement? Further down in original post (one on WoW message board) it was explained that they asked age first, but only allowed participation for people 18+. That is if you are 12, your age gets recorded but you don't get to participate. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Trouble on April 16, 2008, 02:16:53 PM I predict fake.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: sinij on April 16, 2008, 02:40:13 PM I predict fake. Too much effort and too elaborate to be fake. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Sairon on April 16, 2008, 02:42:51 PM It might be fake, or at least as he says, biased. However, I'm not surprised of the data, I think choosing "the good guys" or "the bad guys" in some way reflects a mindset. I know that the Horde lore wise isn't the bad guys, but for the average joe they most likely are.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Frax on April 16, 2008, 02:46:58 PM I predict fake. Too much effort and too elaborate to be fake. Lack of imagination/effort/elaboration hasn't stopped fake 'patch notes' from appearly since the early EQ days. Some of them were often better than the actual patch notes! Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: WayAbvPar on April 16, 2008, 02:51:11 PM It is SO satisfying to have all my beliefs about the Alliance confirmed in one fell swoop. :oh_i_see: Heh. I have agreed with you twice in one day...the fourth horseman rides! From my experiences, if the Horde used any sort of tactics/coordination, they rolled the Alliance (whether they were coordinated or not). Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Xanthippe on April 16, 2008, 02:52:24 PM I wouldn't be at all surprised that women play Alliance in larger numbers than play Horde. Alliance toons are prettier.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Tarami on April 16, 2008, 02:54:56 PM Quote In all four battlegrounds, the Horde nearly always killed healers, or at least attacked them. Horde used crowd control techniques 73% of the time when it was feasible. Alliance only used these techniques 44% of the time. Alliance healers healed far more effectively, ironically, than Horde healers. But, given the disparity in gear, they’d have to in order to compensate. Horde fiercely guarded objectives 85% of the time, leaving 2 to 3 players to guard each objective. Alliance only guarded objectives 67% of the time, and generally only 1 or 2 players guarded. The Horde defenders tended to be complementary classes (i.e. Healer + Crowd Control + DPS). Alliance was completely unpredictable. 73% of the time when it was feasible (according to whom)? Guarded 85% of the time? I don't know what methods they'd need to use to get those statistics with any form of accuracy. I call bullshit. In addition, doing a survey over six months for a level cap that has only been available for 14 months seems like an extremely questionable metric, especially considering the requirement of 240 hours played. That's 1 hour, 20 minutes on average per day for six months just -at- 70. The numbers will have skewed hugely just in the time it took to do the survey. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Hutch on April 16, 2008, 02:56:03 PM I predict fake. Too much effort and too elaborate to be fake. Fake. There's no more effort required to write that post than to come up with an entertaining story about a well-known subject. There's some skill involved, sure, but you don't have to do research to come up with a bunch of numbers. This study confirms all of the conspiracy-theory stereotypes of BG pvp. Horde wins 88% of WSG? That's almost 9 out of 10. Not on my battlegroup. 76% Horde dominance of EotS is also difficult to believe. Where are the counts of how many instances of each BG they observed? Also, Quote At the start of the study, an average of 12 Horde were “AFK” in their starting cave. The ones that AFKd in the cave were the youngest of the horde players (average 19 years old) Please. How did they come up with that? Track each afk'er back to their home server and ask them for details? Did they make the AFK'ers sign the release form first? This seems like an awful lot of work went into it. Did anyone get paid to do this "study"? Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Merusk on April 16, 2008, 02:56:35 PM It might be fake, or at least as he says, biased. However, I'm not surprised of the data, I think choosing "the good guys" or "the bad guys" in some way reflects a mindset. I know that the Horde lore wise isn't the bad guys, but for the average joe they most likely are. Hades (waylander) had a nice article on this over on Guild Cafe. I tend to agree with the whole mindset thing as well. Ed: As to the stats in the study. http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg_list.php?PHPSESSID=1d700a67dab870a0a7eafe35b9f97fc7&id=0&lb=7 Disagrees on EoTS alone. The problem there being, I think that's derived from a mod. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Venkman on April 16, 2008, 04:37:24 PM Using anecdotes "proof" to refute what you think of as either anecdote or false is, err, eh you get it.
There's been a longstanding belief that Alliance sucks at PvP because their PvE content was better. This is corrollary to the belief that all EQ1 players went Alliance because they wanted RP/RPG in PvE and came trained for raids. Meanwhile most Battle.net players were said to have gone Horde because it was cool/antiestablishment, bringing with them strong desire fo PvP. That whole paragraph is as believable as the study and the anecdotes that dispute it :grin: Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Arrrgh on April 16, 2008, 05:01:38 PM I love data like this, but I am confused as to how to reconcile these two factors: The player must be 18 years or older (they had to be able to sign releases) and Alliance average age was 17 If everyone in the survey had to be over 18, how was the average age only 17? Or did only part of the study have that requirement? Further down in original post (one on WoW message board) it was explained that they asked age first, but only allowed participation for people 18+. That is if you are 12, your age gets recorded but you don't get to participate. If they ask age and then stop if the person is under 18 how do they know if the under 18 is alliance or horde? Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Jayce on April 16, 2008, 05:54:54 PM I predict fake. Too much effort and too elaborate to be fake. You seriously underestimate the power of bored teenagers. Their metrics are all over the place (percents in one place and "generally 1 or 2" in another). Why those cities? Did they find WoW players in game and go to their houses? Why not do the whole thing in-game, with a custom mod or something? Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: UnSub on April 16, 2008, 06:54:59 PM It's nice data, but it's just the demographics / behaviour. My question is: what is the objective of the study? Why compare PvP behaviours of Alliance vs Horde players?
I didn't click the link, so my apologies if this is covered there. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Threash on April 16, 2008, 07:26:03 PM Its fake. BGs are not anywhere near that loopsided.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: KyanMehwulfe on April 16, 2008, 07:42:29 PM So someone who used to work for SOE (but is now "bitter about Luclin"), who's "insane" and has an "agenda" ("he hates AV"), funds a study in which he flies 28 university students from Phoenix to San Francisco and New York over a one year period, where they interview and record two-fucking-thousand WoW gamers (whom they attracted by handing out fliers at game stores; yet no one else fucking heard about it) at a presumably rented location (cha-ching ad naseum), and then has this elaborately funded study--fueled by an insane, hateful agenda against Alterac Valley--debut on the cesspit known as the general WoW forums with zero actual evidence and the increasingly juvenile commentary (laden with the exponential use of the "he's rich/he's insane" copout) by his I-think-you're-insane and I-leak-your-professional-trashtalk friend?
You've got to be fucking kidding me? Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Venkman on April 16, 2008, 07:51:40 PM Whoa. Where'd everything before "I-think-you're-insane and I-leak-your-professional-trashtalk friend" come from? You speak truth?
Why the heck would someone fund what they could get from WarcraftRealms for free with some addon manipulation? If this is true, it at least sounds more quantitative than the violence and video game studies of late :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Hutch on April 16, 2008, 08:10:51 PM Whoa. Where'd everything before "I-think-you're-insane and I-leak-your-professional-trashtalk friend" come from? You speak truth? Why the heck would someone fund what they could get from WarcraftRealms for free with some addon manipulation? If this is true, it at least sounds more quantitative than the violence and video game studies of late :awesome_for_real: It's "truth" the same way the OP is truth, i.e. it's the same poster making the claims about having an insane boss who used to work for SOE. You'd have to read pretty much the entire thread to learn this. Damn, I just gave away that I read the thread, didn't I :uhrr: Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: tasmia on April 16, 2008, 10:44:01 PM So someone who used to work for SOE (but is now "bitter about Luclin"), who's "insane" and has an "agenda" ("he hates AV"), funds a study in which he flies 28 university students from Phoenix to San Francisco and New York over a one year period, where they interview and record two-fucking-thousand WoW gamers (whom they attracted by handing out fliers at game stores; yet no one else fucking heard about it) at a presumably rented location (cha-ching ad naseum), and then has this elaborately funded study--fueled by an insane, hateful agenda against Alterac Valley--debut on the cesspit known as the general WoW forums with zero actual evidence and the increasingly juvenile commentary (laden with the exponential use of the "he's rich/he's insane" copout) by his I-think-you're-insane and I-leak-your-professional-trashtalk friend? (http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3355/rt184f36380isqd4.jpg) Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Tarami on April 17, 2008, 01:14:09 AM Using anecdotes "proof" to refute what you think of as either anecdote or false is, err, eh you get it. I believe this is "proof" enough;Quote • Horde’s average “Resilience” was 202, among the 1000 participants So the last 800 Horde raised average resilience by 75, which means (<sound of number juggling>) the 800 disqualified Horde AVERAGED 370.75 resilience;... • With arena gear factored in (all 1800 Horde, and all 2100 Alliance), average “Resilience” was 277 for Horde, and 117 for Alliance. (1000 * 202 + 800 * 370.75) / 1800 = 277 A disparity of nearly 170 resilience between age groups? I think not. :oh_i_see: Edit; I realise once posted (why does it always happen in that order? Why never the other way around?) that "they" may not have included Arena gear in the first metric, but then again, that speaks of the irrelevance of the survey. The metrics aren't even comparable to one another. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Zetor on April 17, 2008, 03:55:53 AM Fake, and I've seen more elaborate troll posts on the WOW forums to begin with, so it's not even a 10/10 on those grounds.
The only remotely statistical data (http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001366.php) I could find says that the average age is roughly equal (horde having a lower average, actually), and that was back before Blood Elves were introduced. :p Anecdote: almost every NE hunter I know (8 out of 11) from my server is 25+, and 6 of them are married. Now all I need to do is turn this into statistic form and post it on the WOW forums, amirite? :awesome_for_real: -- Z. (green text, who cares about green text?) Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: tmp on April 17, 2008, 04:47:59 AM Too much effort and too elaborate to be fake. SirBruce disagrees..?Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: waylander on April 17, 2008, 05:46:51 AM I have a more simple view of why they suck in PVP (http://www.lotd.org/index.php?page=85)
Two ways to skin that cat. I don't really notice much about age, sex, or gear. To me its more about the larger issues that cause them to fail, and gear or other things just add to it. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Lietgardis on April 17, 2008, 08:25:24 AM They're from (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5784277309&sid=1#59154817134) the University of Phoenix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Phoenix)!
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Trouble on April 17, 2008, 10:09:54 AM The only remotely statistical data (http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001366.php) I could find says that the average age is roughly equal (horde having a lower average, actually), and that was back before Blood Elves were introduced. :p This is what lead me to call fake. Nick Yee is someone I actually trust and his statistics put the numbers much, much closer (although there IS a variance in his data, it's just much smaller). Also there's no way in hell that BGs are that lopsided. They're not. The only one that's still a bit wonky is AV and that is still recovering from documented, provable horde side advantage in terrain design. (I play Horde) Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: cmlancas on April 17, 2008, 12:58:02 PM The post of the short-skirt picture was very well played. Well done, sir.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: ahoythematey on April 17, 2008, 06:14:17 PM (http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3355/rt184f36380isqd4.jpg) (http://dryope.typepad.com/grove/images/jayne_himself_2.jpg) I'll be in my bunk. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: UnSub on April 17, 2008, 06:23:23 PM (http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3355/rt184f36380isqd4.jpg) (http://dryope.typepad.com/grove/images/jayne_himself_2.jpg) I'll be in my bunk. :pedobear: FIFY. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: ahoythematey on April 18, 2008, 03:30:23 PM (http://b3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01275/35/53/1275403553_s.jpg)
Touché. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Cadaverine on April 18, 2008, 05:25:43 PM I have a more simple view of why they suck in PVP (http://www.lotd.org/index.php?page=85) Two ways to skin that cat. I don't really notice much about age, sex, or gear. To me its more about the larger issues that cause them to fail, and gear or other things just add to it. After reading your article, it sounds like a carbon copy of what I've experienced in the various BG's while leveling up a Horde character on Venture Co. Strangely enough, I also experienced exactly the same thing leveling Alliance characters on Sargeras. I chalk it up to PUG's just sucking in general, though it does seem to be related to the whole "I wanna be the hero that saves the day!" mentality over all. In world pvp, though, the Alliance players do seem to be pretty shitty compared to Horde, though. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Jayce on April 19, 2008, 05:14:37 PM I have a more simple view of why they suck in PVP (http://www.lotd.org/index.php?page=85) Two ways to skin that cat. I don't really notice much about age, sex, or gear. To me its more about the larger issues that cause them to fail, and gear or other things just add to it. After reading your article, it sounds like a carbon copy of what I've experienced in the various BG's while leveling up a Horde character on Venture Co. Strangely enough, I also experienced exactly the same thing leveling Alliance characters on Sargeras. I chalk it up to PUG's just sucking in general, though it does seem to be related to the whole "I wanna be the hero that saves the day!" mentality over all. In world pvp, though, the Alliance players do seem to be pretty shitty compared to Horde, though. Hey, a Sargeras alliance alum like me! Seriously though. On that server, alliance side, I can count the number of heals I got in PvP on one hand. Ever. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Yoru on April 19, 2008, 05:36:30 PM Back into the WoW bin wi' ye.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Cadaverine on April 20, 2008, 11:57:29 AM Hey, a Sargeras alliance alum like me! Seriously though. On that server, alliance side, I can count the number of heals I got in PvP on one hand. Ever. For what it's worth, I initially tried healing people with my Priest. But I generally got off one heal before getting steamrolled by the melee assist train. That or the tank would charge into the thick of 20 plus Horde, and bitch that I didn't keep him up. After a few rounds of that, I just stopped doing BGs with my Priest, and switched to a Hunter. A lot more fun to kill Horde Priests, than to be an Alliance Priest. :drill: Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Xanthippe on April 20, 2008, 12:44:38 PM Alliance pugs are simply unable or unwilling to protect healers, period. Consequently, most healers in bg pugs go offense.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Zetor on April 21, 2008, 12:33:33 AM I play a resto shaman, and I gauge the 'goodness' / 'badness' of a particular BG by how much damage I've done by the end. In a good BG (where there are competent alliance DPSers who actually try to accomplish some goals instead of farming midfield), I'll be near the bottom; in a bad BG (where everyone constantly fights on the road, doesn't know how to interrupt flag caps, leaves me as the only person to guard a node, etc) I'll be in the middle of the damage scoreboard. Basically, for me as a healer, the most important question is: is the person I'm healing worth the effort? It also doesn't help if someone with 6k hp and 0 resilience decides to AOE about 3-4 horde, no amount of heal spamming will save them.
Amusingly enough, I've been winning most of my BGs since 2.4 (except for WSG, I avoid that place like the plague) as alliance in the Cyclone battlegroup. Last week I played about 10 EOTS altogether and won 8 of them... and this was all in pugs, too. Alliance realizing that the secret is to capture-and-hold 3 nodes instead of endlessly zerging the flag worked wonders! AB seems like the most even split atm, I win about as much as I lose (I should probably get a mod to track it, but cbf :P). AV is an alliance win most of the time, too. Now all I need to do is make up some statistics and post on the WOW forums about it... -- Z. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Nebu on April 21, 2008, 06:46:09 AM You're giving me the will to play my resto shaman more. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Dren on April 21, 2008, 07:29:41 AM Alliance pugs are simply unable or unwilling to protect healers, period. Consequently, most healers in bg pugs go offense. So, so true. I even had a guy bitching at me for not healing him as he died. It was just me and him against 3+. They had me as main target so I was healing myself and doing everything I could to get them off the flag (AB.) A few others finally showed up and we cleared the area. This guy resses at the same place and continues to tell everyone I'm a terrible healer. It didn't matter that I basically saved the flag. It only mattered that he died in the process. He did nothing to protect me either. I find this mentality very very common doing PUG BGs as a healer. I do get into groups that just magically "know what to do." The diffrence is night and day. Those battles end very quickly with a win. A lot of the time I'll see cries for better healing without a though even given to the fact that the other side just might be smart enough to keep all the healers CC'ed, healing themselves from an onslaught, or plain dead. You can just go to the stats screen to figure out just what's up. The one biggest issue I see from Alliance is that they never learn to do this themselves. Kill the healers and the clothies first. Stop trying to take down all those plates/chains first. That makes no sense. I swear agro actually does work on alliance players. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: K9 on April 21, 2008, 12:10:07 PM My strategy to enjoy BGs as an Alliance priest is to impose an incredibly stringent "you are bad" filter. This basically excludes anyone with less than 110% of my buffed HP, anyone with an obviously inefficient spec (with a few exceptions). Then pick the best looking of those and pet heal them. It's not failsafe, some people are retarded regardless of their gear, but I'd say about 80% recognise this and of those about 80% are most welcome to have some healing and return the favour. Then once ensconced with a pet, BGs become quite enjoyable; since horde seem to rely on alliance showing zero coordination. A coordinated pair of alliance players can roflstomp on horde, the harde thing is just finding someone who's willing to work with you. Although, for all their failings, arenas do seem to have increased the awareness of many players with regards to looking after healers. Having rogues blind people who are on me, or having warriors intercept and hamstring them makes my day so much.
That said, there are so, so many poor players on the ally side. Anyone who's played a healer will have had numerous situations where another player in a BG seems to draw a line between themselves and some tempting looking target and will make a beeline for them regardless of all the other enemies surrounding their target. "Thanks for the heals" chat soon follows, and yet they never seem to learn. On the whole I'd say the horde as a group don't have any greater coordination than the alliance; what I see far more often on the horde side is small coordinated groups, 3-5 players, who combined are so much more efficient that they mask the overall equally bad quality of a lot of horde players. After that it's just a matter of breaking the will of the alliance. There are odd days when being a healer is just ludicrously fun. I did a couple of WSG some months back, before S3 while BT was still in the preserve of the the true hardcores and found myself running the BGs alongside a full T6, dual warglaives fury Warr from some top-10 world guild. Watching him melt more or less the entire horde team solo was a beautiful sight. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Dren on April 22, 2008, 07:14:22 AM Yes, there are just enough times that being an alliance healer is really fun that I keep going after it.
I'll have to use your technique in the future. It makes a lot of sense. Title: Re: Alliance suck at PvP in WoW, news at 11 Post by: Fordel on April 22, 2008, 02:04:54 PM The largest difference between the Alliance and Horde, is the whining. The Crying. The Idea that 'you personally, are being screwed'.
The Alliance has WAY more of it. The Horde will just shut up and play. The Alliance must verbally defend every actions made and/or assault the actions of "every other idiot" in the BG. The Horde will continue doing 'whats proper' even when it doesn't seem like it will work. The Alliance will bitch that everyone isn't doing 'whats proper' while simultaneously not doing it themselves. The player skill isn't different, the way its focused is. The Alliance is very quick to go "fuck this, there all idiots, I'm going to farm HKs", while spending any time not in combat, to tell everyone they suck some more. You didn't heal me, You didn't protect me, You didn't CC this, You broke CC on that etc etc etc. Those games where the alliance 'magically' wins, are the games where you get enough people in the same BG, who just want to shut up and play. The issue is usually you only need one or two jackasses to either cause everyone else to go apathetic or retaliate. It's hard to give a shit about anyone else, when no one else seemingly gives a shit about you. Compare that to the average Horde BG channel, where the only messages are "Going Ramp Side" or "Inc 6 LM" and no, it isn't any great mystery why the alliance seemingly 'sucks'. Of course the aside to all that, is depending on which BG group you play in, statistically, the win/loss ratios are probably fairly even, and most of the suck is perception and bias. Even when the alliance wins, they bitch up a storm about it. |