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I imagine it would take some stones to change career paths once you've put in a solid 10 years or so.

Burnouts from high-paying corporate jobs aren't that uncommon in the ESL-abroad world, and the only complaint I ever hear from them is that they wish they had done it sooner.

What about something in music?  Or is that too much of a hobby for you?

I was heading that way with my chemistry degree.  As much as I loved it, I realized I didn't want to do research for a living.  That's when I went into computers and I am so glad I did.  Sticking around a university means I don't get paid nearly what I could, but the stress is negligable and I enjoy my work.

I'd love to, but I have to be very honest in saying that I don't have the talent it would take to make a living at it.  Most of my success in music has been in writing songs or more accurately, being able to surround myself with talented enough people to prop up my own position.  This is why I have such respect for Stray, Sky, and Raph.  They have far more natural talent than I ever could.  I've just been in the right place at the right time... a lot. 

I'm actually applying to a lot of teaching positions at small 4 year schools, but that may not be enough of a change for me.  I'm interviewing around the country as we speak, but if none of the positions really excite me I may just go back to school and reeducate myself in another field.  More school... ugh.  I'm sick. 

Have you considered some sort of artist development job?  It's all about helping young bands learn from your experience, teaching them to be successful and whatnot.

You could host a cooking show on FOX.

Dude, I suck Nebu! I'm still more or less a three chord punk after almost 20 years now.. And only my dabbling with not often heard styles (reggae, surf, and slide) kind of hides that. If one plays something people don't usually hear, then it kind of comes off more impressive than it should.

Anyhow, people bring the best out of me too. I'm not too motivated on my own. Don't feel so bad.  :-)

We could also band together and create the finest gaming studio known to man:

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i think i've heard of that before

I really didn't want this thread to become about me.  I was more stating that Life > work and I admired the guy for making such a bold move.  I really appreciate the input from all of you and welcome any discussions in PM's.  I've actually even discussed Law School with Abagadro. 

Nebu.  Band?  I'll play drums!

As your lead programmer, I need to set up a meeting about moving our release date.

Bad news, guys: to prevent more slippage it looks like we'll have to lose the juggler and paedophile classes.

This is clearly a slap in the face to all rouges.

I thought we were combining the juggler and pedo because they were redundant?

That was the clown and the pedo, after market research showed they were functionally identical.

Don't get too excited, we will be switching to a skill-based system in the pre-release patch.  This will delay implementation of the world model, collision detection, and tails on furry avatars but it's best for the game if we put some shit in a box ASAP.  The problem where the boat goes the wrong way in the Ocean of Pillow Biting will be fixed after release.  Mr. Gygax has promised that the first draft of the story arc will be ready by release as well.

Oh hai guys, the itemization and quests for the level 20-80 zones will take some more time. Should be able to patch it in after gold master, I SWARE!

PR department's upset because someone in the design team thought it would be funny to make every NPC in the Thieves Guild a minority.

I think I might have killed our QA guy by pumping too much oxygen into the QA Room while he was 6-boxing my raid quests in the LOLCATS zone.

At least he died smiling.

Can we get someone from marketing to mock up a poster saying "Zones so awesome, you'll fucking die!"? Thanks.

The QA guy was our marketing department.  Since he's my cousin, I'll ask Aunt Shirley where he is.  She's probably still making those dwarf textures.

You might not want to alert Shirley yet. We need those textures by Friday and I'm pretty sure the QA guy is dead.

We don't need her adding Gargoyles and shit and making an emo dwarf mountainside castle.

On a related note, I've noticed a few sixboxers in EQ2 lately. Seen 'em in a few dungeons and also overland. I remember one group was from Red Knights of something or other, one guy moving around and five on /follow. I don't understand.

Lack of poon.

Man, I sometimes I wish I could go back to school. Specifically law school. I'm under the delusion that I would really like being a criminal prosecutor.

Unfortunately, the money and actual aptitude for law practice is, eh...lacking. Just the thought of studying case law makes me sleepy.

Hell, just the idea of studying makes me sleepy; it's just one of those things I never had to do when I was young, so I never really learned how to actually, you know, study. Kind of prohibits one from going through an expensive law program.



Sidenote: hai guys, the glass cannon class Rogue class is complete. plz 2 send chek?

I was interested in law as a kid too, did some work experience and such, and it wasn't the studying of case law that made me sleepy, there's a lot more to generate the "ugh" response than just that.

But of course here in Australia we have a different system, yours is exactly like Boston Legal and mad fun I'm sure.

Only if I get to work with Jeri Ryan. :drill:

Wrong show.  You'd get to work with Candice Bergen and her waddle.

Damn, I've just been owned.  :oh_i_see:

Boston Legal has 10x more hot chicks than Shark.

How can anyone notice the hot chicks with William Shatner around? 

On a side note, Boston Legal has declined in to inane silliness that's really not worth watching anymore, just like all David E. Kelleys tv stuff.  He needs to learn when to quit.  I have to say that the only series of his I watched and was disappointed when it ended was Picket Fences.  I think that got canceled or something before it's time.  Captain Kirk is the only reason I still watch Boston Legal now and then, and I'm beginning to not enjoy his character so much anymore.

Jeri Ryan was in one or two episodes of Boston Legal.  Still, I'm more partial to Rhona Mitra.

I have a law degree and it is the easiest of the under- and post-grad subjects I've studied.  Seriously.  Here is how to get honours in law at a prestigious university:

Weeks 1-47:  Don't bother turning up to classes.  Only attend tutorials or hand in course-work if you reckon the professor will notice.  Play rugby, drink, play civilisation, discover MMOs, and generally fuck about.  You're not slacking, you're preparing yourself.

Weeks 48: Go to the bookshop and buy all the set books for that year's courses.  This is the critical point of the course: a missing textbook with so little notice can prove fatal.  Also, get the past papers for the previous five or so years' exams.  There will be no real variety in the subjects covered: know these and

Weeks 49-51: read all the text books a couple of times, writing down forty or so full case citations for each course, together with the salient points (this should be about one sentence for each).  You have now distilled the course onto one sheet of A4.

Week 52: memorise the A4 sheet for each course in the hours before the exam.  Go into the exam hall and write out your case list again before you forget it.  Then broadly answer each question, being sure to cite at least six or seven cases in each answer, and heavily underlining each citation so the marker doesn't bother reading the rest of your waffle.

Week 52 + 30 minutes: Discover, half an hour after leaving the exam, that you have forgotten everything except Donoghue v Stevenson. Collect your degree shortly thereafter.

Law courses are expensive and hard to get into because they are heavily oversubscribed.  Not because they are difficult.  Quite interesting, though.

I don't even know who that is, you celeb-o-freak you.

You don't know who Rhona Mitra is because you are not male.

She, like, totally did Ali G.

And, like, her father totally did her boobs.   :ye_gods:

It has nothing to do with being female.  I see plenty of gorgeous male actors and if they have mediocre talent, I don't go out of my way to learn their names.  Sometimes I do, but it's not intentional.  I also don't visit celebrity fan sites or anything.  A lot of the f13 men here seem to revel in knowing all about good looking, boobified female actors who are mostly forgettable when it comes to their work.  Do you see the boobs and run for internet or sommat?  Don't get me wrong, I don't mind learning about the work of some of these people, although I could really care less about their personal stuff... some of them have even turned out to be decent.  Having said that, it seems the majority (young male actors included) I read about here are not very special in the talent department.  A lot of them seem to be teens or star in teen type films and tv shows, too. 

Just sayin'....

Don't worry, Siggie, you're not the only old fart around here. I rarely know who the hell is hosting SNL or the Grammies or whatever. It's not a bad thing, since most of them are talentless hacks anyway.

Signe, its the very fact that the actresses are not talented yet have great gazongas that broadens their appeal. Men don't have to consider them in the same category as someone with talent, so they can become the repository for lust, humor and in general, the all popular shattenfreunde schadenfreude of knowing that although you're not famous, you're not as big a joke as them. Its not particularly psychically healthy, but that's men for ya.

Edit for misspelling schadenfreude. Murgos laughed at me and now I'm going to go cry.

I could totally defend myself you know. But she's hot. Like... Jessica Alba level of hot. And honestly, I don't really know many good movie (as in the difference between cinema and theatrical) actresses anyway, so.... yeah, I know the names of the very hot ones :)

The critical flaw in your plan:  Where is Strazos going to get A4 paper around these parts?

Yes, they're men.

Sure, they may appreciate an actress of fine talent, but c'mon... boobies!  Their presence shuts down higher brain functions.

That kind of frat mentality is not representative of our entire gender. In fact, I don't have a clue about the kind of mindset you're referring to. Who cares if you're not famous? Being famous is overrated.

Takes all kinds. Most guys here seem to find Jessica Alba hot, I think she looks vapid and unattractive. My tastes run more toward Susan Tedeschi, Nancy Wilson or Emmylou Harris. Sexy AND talented.

Boobs do have an effect on higher brain functions for sure, but after copious amounts of exposure, it's much more controllable than otherwise. For me, if it's not a total package, it doesn't even matter. I'm about talent and personality and intelligence, much rarer than beauty. Without them, beauty is just empty and kinda sad.

I don't own a TV and I avoid films with no actual merit where possible, the only time I ever hear about these people is when they get linked in a 'OMG xxx is teh hot! thread.

Best misspelling evar?

A lot of the actors I see mentioned look familiar but I don't seem to retain the names unless I've really enjoyed the film or admired their acting.  Sometime not even then.  I suck at memory.  I always remember Jessica Alba because she has the prettiest skin colour I've ever seen.  Truthfully, I rarely notice boobies unless they're obscenely huge and don't move ever and those I don't remember with any sort of admiration.  I don't notice crotches, either, regardless of gender.  I like faces.  Pretty ones are nice to see but it's not enough to remember the actor's name or anything.  Faces with character, however, I can usually remember the owner.

I think one thing that sort of baffles me is that a lot of the films I've seen discussed positively here have really been awful.   I mean TRULY, MADLY, DEEPLY awful.  Well, my opinion, of course.  Some have even become well-known just for their awfulness.  And some of the people who reccommend them are people who I wouldn't think could tolerate that level of suck. 

oops... we broke this forum with our derail-i-ness! Someone should den us!

I've got my tastes for intelligent, artistic films with talented people, but sometimes, I just like seeing tits and things being blown up.

Actress in question:

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I like seeing things blow up, too.  Not usually boobies though.

Ah, Sky, my sensitive and talented friend, I thought I belonged in that category too. Then I spent a month at sea in a regatta with very few women around. When I got off the docks, it was all I could do to not dry hump the souvlaki salesgirl at the harbormaster's hut.

You lose points in your criticism for quoting the title of a Savage Garden song.  In caps.

Rhona Mitra played one of the lead roles in the first season of a TV show I love, which is one of the reasons I know her name.  She was also the sex appeal in the Ali G movie, and one of the more important supporting characters in The Life of David Gale.

The above was done without IMDB.  The following is after: Shooter, The Number 23, Sweet Home Alabama, Get Carter, and appearances on several episodes of Party of Five and The Practice, the show that Boston Legal was spun off of.

So it's not like she's a minor actress who played the token hottie in one or two films.

Is that a better justification for knowing who she is?  Please and thank you.

Also: BOOBS!

Oh, extenuating circumstances do not count!

Remember, I was a professional musician. I've done my time as manwhore. Part of why talentless vapid bimbos do not turn me on anymore. Fun when I was a kid, no doubt about it.

Phil: I've still never seen her because I haven't seen a single thing you've listed!

I had to GIS her. Moderately attractive, but nothing overly exciting.

I'm not entirely sure that the words "actress" and "Rhona Mitra" can actually be put together in the same sentence at the same time as keeping a straight face.  Then again, I haven't seen "The Life of David Gale" which is the only film in that list which would make me think "likely to be a showcase for leet acting skillz".

You are missing out the fact that she was also the first (or at least, one of) models to be the physical incarnation of Lara Croft.  After that, she went on to play the token hottie in one or two films (getting her tits out in Hollow Man being one of the highlights of both her career and that film).  She's also about to play the lead in Neil Marshall's post-apocalyptic film "Doomsday".

Basically, she appears to be the female equivalent of Jason Statham.

I was kind of weary of Statham (post Guy Ritchie films at least), but the movie London is good, just for his part alone. That was pretty good acting, in my opinion.

[edit] My favorite (living) actress: Jennifer Jason Leigh! She isn't very hot these days though. I'm not sure if she ever really was actually. But she's a damn chameleon. Better than Blanchett even (probably my second favorite). Also like Julia Ormond. [edit] Oops, wtf am I saying? Can't even get my favorite actresses right. I meant Juliet Binoche.

Okay, she's not the hottest woman in Hollywood, but she plays dirty-hot better than most of the others.  And her role in David Gale isn't much more than that, either.  She's really not that fantastic of an actress =)

Massive derail. Split. Carry on.

I saw Davie Gale, which was good, and I didn't remember her until I looked up a picture of her in it.  Also, when I think "truly, madly, deeply" I think of that Alan Rickman film before I think of some naff soft pop band.  It's one of the few girly films I liked.

PS  I have enjoyed Jason Statham but only when he plays a wide boy.  He should be a London day trader IRL.  But, yeah, he needs help with acting most of the time.  I did like him in Lock, Stock, etc. though.  BACON!  His name smells like Schildy's breath!

oops.  I think this split as I posted.  FIX ME, YORU!

Alas, I got caught in this tide.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Ahahaha, you missed a post!

Signe: That was a close call.  Alan Rickman >>>>> Savage Garden.

Guys.

The game has been put on hold while the Internal Affairs team looks into this thread split.

This bothers me because the QA team is also IA.

Sigh. I think we need more funding.

I thought there was an unspoken rule that any and all threads in F13 can have derails as long as they pertain to boobs.

Fixed. Also, Ragnarok Online avatar. ^___________^

... we need a real :keke: smiley.

Yeah, I first heard of her from the Lara Croft stuff. She was in Hollow Man and Season 4 of Nip/Tuck.

For doing what I was too lazy to do: I.O.U. One Beer.

I've always loved that one.

This thread confuses me ...

...therefore ...

...sheep ...

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Looking at all of this from an HR perspective. Holy fuck. :ye_gods:

What is an HR perspective?  Human Resources?  Or Human Remains?  Or some Canada thing.  I'm not sure so I can't commit to understanding it.

Shit. Does this mean no more space unicorns with harps?

Hot Rocks

I won't be able to design the harp mechanics until I finish up coding the fetapault. Luckily it's almost done.

I gotta say... I live for derails. Love em. I look in the cloverfield thread just to see if the subject has finally changed to something else.

This sort of talk is not conducive to a game development environment.

Isn't that what makes it precisely appropriate?

Is John Romero going to have to make you his bitch again?

Guys I know that this wasn't in the design or the spec but I was messing around over the weekend and I've managed to code in a really neat, innovative new targeting system that I reckon will be a complete cakewalk to patch in on top of the current combat mechanics!  It might have a few knock-ons in other areas, but those would be restricted to combat, movement and skills.  Nothing else even need to be touched.  I showed it to some of the other guys and we're all super-excited.

Given that we still have a few months until alpha release shouldn't we go with it for now and just roll it back if we encounter anything too messy, nearer the time?

If that was that twitch system you put together that can be controlled with a wiimote then hell yeah!

I love it, Endie!  Let's do it.  And make sure to not use any of our revision control systems so it is impossible to yank out afterwards.