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Title: When Egos Attack!
Post by: IainC on January 19, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
John Romero (http://rome.ro/2008/01/gamecockhead-release-schedule.html) launches into Mike Wilson, much drama to be found in comments.

 :drill:


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Yoru on January 19, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
Kotaku has an awesome follow-up letter from Wilson:

Quote from: Mike Wilson, via Kotaku
Dear John, I'm writing this letter from Moscow, having just read your lovely post about me, which a good friend forwarded me and implored me to reply to. I really never thought I would relive the joy that was Ion Storm, circa 1997, or that the memories of those times still troubled you so 11 years later. Then again, I would guess you live in the memories of your twenties as much as you can, given the reality of your thirties. Glad to know I'm still in your thoughts.

I enjoyed your comments very much, but several of my friends (especially those that were around for those heady time to witness the truth of it up close) did not find it quite so funny, and thought that I should take the time to set a few things straight as publicly as the flame you chose to randomly launch my way.

While I am not at all interested in reliving those days, I will also not allow you to rewrite the history of it all, more to your liking and to my public detriment, and I will in no way take the rap for what you did (or didn't do)with your dream company. So here are just a few reminders to jog your memory.

While my job title (which you gave me) was CEO of your company, I was one of two "junior partners" in a partnership of 6. I made about 1/3 of what the 'big boy partners' (as you liked to call yourselves back then) did and owned less than five percent of your company. I wasn't awarded a 250k signing bonus like you were for signing up to your own startup and I didn't have a personal assistant like you, nor occupy one of the 4 corners of power in the original Ion Storm building. And unlike you, I didn't get to file a federal trademark for my own personal catch phrase," Suck it Down." I remind you of these things only to remind you that there was absolutely nothing done by me or Ion Storm, including the advertisements which bore your name and which you happily posed for, that didn't require your full approval and grand signature.

And while I did think that famous Bitch ad was pretty funny, I'll remind you that you signed that one too, and I'm fairly certain I wasn't holding your hand or using a Jedi mind trick on you when you did it. I'll also remind you that the whole reason for running the teaser ad was that we felt we should be starting to advertise the game since it you said was shipping so soon, for Christmas in 1997. Even though we had nothing but a logo and that signature promise to use for an ad 6 months before you promised Eidos and your partners that Daikatana would be ready to redefine shooters on shelves worldwide.

Our former employee also reminded me that I fought on a daily basis to try to save that company from the poison which you had invited into it (and watched spread like a cancer while you kept your head in the sand), only to find myself ushered out the door, since it was such a buzz kill to hear my incessant complaints about the way things were being run, which were really those of the 80 or so young fresh faced developers we hired in the 10 months I was there. But hey, it was clear that I was the problem there, as you guys really took off the year after I left. Or, more accurately, nearly every one of those 80 hires did.

I do owe you a thank you for that little shove to get me started on Gathering of Developers, a company that I was an actual partner of, and which Take Two 'reigned in' buy buying for 30 million dollars, two years after we opened an office, which resulted in no less than eight million unit selling PC games and over 350 million dollars in revenue for TTWO (my investors) during roughly the same amount of time that it took you and the remaining 'big boy partners' to shit away Eidos' (your investors) 30 million and deliver one of the biggest heaps of dung ever put onto a CD Rom, just before being foreclosed on. Thank god for Warren Spector, who was also made a 'junior partner', and later delivered Eidos Storm's only salvation in the form of Deus Ex.

And please don't be too concerned for the independent developers I work with... just like with GodGames, and like the deal I struck for you with Eidos, Gamecock owns their IP and is branded above the publisher on everything, and has a great royalty rate. Royalty rates are what you make if you actually make a game that is good and sells. Remember Quake one?

I'm also grateful for your concern over my incessant partying, which has somehow led me to be married to the same beautiful woman for 17 years now, while raising two incredible daughters together. You should maybe try the partying, since your unparalleled work ethic and strong character has (just in the time I've known you) left only a bloody trail of ex-wives, fatherless kids, and ill advised breast implants strewn across this fair nation, even before you flew all the way to Romania for your latest wife. If she's not still around, let me know, and I'll see if I can pick another one up for you here in Russia.

Its been great catching up, but I'm off to dinner now with Harry Miller, my best friend and business partner for the past decade (ever had one of those, John?), and our very happy new investor, followed by some crazy partying to keep it real, just for you.

You take care now, and remember just because id, Eidos, and then Midway fired you doesn't mean you're not still awesome!

Suck it down,

Your pal Mike

Dramabomb indeed. :popcorn:


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: IainC on January 19, 2008, 03:38:52 PM
That letter was posted in the comments of Romero's blog.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Abagadro on January 19, 2008, 03:52:22 PM
I didn't/don't follow all this drama to know who is on solid ground, but that Wilson response was epic smack.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Merusk on January 19, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
From what little I know of Romero, I doubt that was smack as much as 'bludgeoning an asshat with the truth.'


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Strazos on January 19, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
That was glorious.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Reg on January 19, 2008, 04:55:13 PM
When both of the feuding parties are major assholes it's hard to know who to root for.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Lantyssa on January 19, 2008, 05:33:21 PM
When both of the feuding parties are major assholes it's hard to know who to root for.
The very well spoken one that shreds the other with the precision of a surgeon wielding a scalpel.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Reg on January 19, 2008, 05:43:14 PM
Oh no question at all about who won and who lost but that doesn't mean that the winner isn't still a gigantic jerk.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: schild on January 19, 2008, 05:46:35 PM
The Gamecock/GOD people are good guys. Romero is a tool and a jerk and ego-tripping cockstab and everyone knows it.

So uhm, letter was called for.

Game. Set. Match.

Go back to programming dark rooms, Romero.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on January 19, 2008, 06:19:53 PM
Romero is and probably always will be an asshat.  Like so many others of his generation of game devs, he started at a time when there were fewer game developers and "zomg it's 3D!" got you a long way.  I've always had extreme dislike for the guy.

He is a hopelessly average game designer who's misinterpreted his past successes as an indicator of his own prowess instead of being in the right place at the right time.



Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Azazel on January 19, 2008, 07:12:52 PM
He is a hopelessly average game designer who's misinterpreted his past successes as an indicator of his own prowess instead of being in the right place at the right time.

Insert snarky Smed reference here.   :awesome_for_real:




Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Phildo on January 19, 2008, 07:22:53 PM
He is a hopelessly average game designer who's misinterpreted his past successes as an indicator of his own prowess instead of being in the right place at the right time.

"John Smedley is renowned throughout the world as a leader in the production of fine gauge knitwear products." (http://www.johnsmedley.com/pages/history.php)

Snarky reference inserted.

Edit: fixed link


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: MaceVanHoffen on January 19, 2008, 07:49:13 PM
I feel guilty.  Picking on Romero around here is probably like picking a fight with the retarded guy in school:  You can win, but you'll always be known as that guy that picked a fight with a retarded guy.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Triforcer on January 19, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
I had forgotten about Ms. Romania  :awesome_for_real:  Mr. Wilson has a point though- I'm surprised a guy as awesome as John didn't upgrade to Russian. 


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: squirrel on January 19, 2008, 09:26:56 PM
That letter is pure internet gold.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Dtrain on January 19, 2008, 10:09:49 PM
He is a hopelessly average game designer who's misinterpreted his past successes as an indicator of his own prowess instead of being in the right place at the right time.

In his mind you just have to want it bad enough and good things will follow. But yeah, no concept of how lucky he got.

And how clever is his web address?!!!? Rome.ro!  :uhrr:


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Samprimary on January 20, 2008, 05:19:11 AM
I really think Romero left himself open for this one. Everything I know about Romero indicates pretty strongly what's really going on: that he's a gasbag who is trying to retcon his own epic failure at Ion Storm, in the process working out some steam with irrational falsehoods attributing some blame to another guy who he parted on bad terms with as he sunk his company into the ground.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: HaemishM on January 21, 2008, 07:42:56 AM
When both of the feuding parties are major assholes it's hard to know who to root for.

How about we just point and laugh at the gaggle of jackasses and move on?


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: NiX on January 21, 2008, 08:21:18 AM
No! We must argue about something. Or derail. This thread is not complete without one or the other.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Murgos on January 21, 2008, 08:22:49 AM
Epic Slams ITT.   :drill:


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Morfiend on January 21, 2008, 10:22:12 AM
Hey Nix.

Did you hear that SWG is putting out another expansion adding a mirror world that has no PVP?


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Reg on January 21, 2008, 10:30:03 AM
I'd really need to see a chart of some kind before I can take this ridiculous claim of yours seriously.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Morfiend on January 21, 2008, 11:38:54 AM
I'd really need to see a chart of some kind before I can take this ridiculous claim of yours seriously.


(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j304/HIM_IHypnoI/graph.png)


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Prospero on January 21, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
I'd really need to see a chart of some kind before I can take this ridiculous claim of yours seriously.

(http://mataway.googlepages.com/trends.jpg)

The dumb was certainly trending strongly upwards through 2005.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Wolf on January 22, 2008, 06:36:55 AM
I had forgotten about Ms. Romania  :awesome_for_real:  Mr. Wilson has a point though- I'm surprised a guy as awesome as John didn't upgrade to Russian. 

Nah, Russian comes with a lot of baggage. I can give you a guide of the DOs and OHGODDONTs of Eastern European brides :P


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Phildo on January 22, 2008, 06:58:45 AM
I want examples from personal experience, Wolf.


Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: NiX on January 22, 2008, 07:03:14 AM
Hey Nix.

Did you hear that SWG is putting out another expansion adding a mirror world that has no PVP?
I feel at peace. All is right in the world.



Title: Re: When Egos Attack!
Post by: Der Helm on January 22, 2008, 07:04:26 AM
I want examples from personal experience, Wolf.
I want pictures  :awesome_for_real: