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Some day they had to admit Vista is crap without saying so.  :-)

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd now I don't put Vista on the new box.

Not that far fetched... windows 95 and 98 are only 3 years apart, and since Vista came out in November of 2006 that means that a Blackcomb release in 2009 would continue the pattern. It'll probably be an incremental update, just like 98 was to 95, except that it'll use more resources and crash more often.

oh, and windows 98 and windows 2k are two years apart, so again... i guess people got comfortable using only one version of windows since XP has pretty much been the primary OS for consumers from 2001 to today.

What this means to me is that M$ is going to wash their hands of Vista ala ME.

Don't do that.

Do what?

Is it a consumer OS or a new server OS?

The obvious validity of your statement is undermined by your interpretation of the Microsoft shortform.

Eh, XP was the pinnacle of 9x and NT development. It works, mostly. Vista without all the cool file system stuff and other good stuff that was ripped out to hit targets? Yeah, I'd call it Windows 95, a barely adequate version, only we're using XP now, not 3.1. Maybe ME is more apt, since 98SE was a decent OS.

The dx10 shit was pissing me off until I learned it was mostly bullshit they bribed devs to keep out of dx9 implementations (Crysis).

But reading the thread title, I was thinking "Leopard already shipped!"  :awesome_for_real:

I'll be interested only if they rip all of that DRM shit out.

That just saved me 200 bucks.

Given how crappy vista is to use I would not be shocked if it gets ye olde windows ME treatment.

You know what you did.

I'm still unsure of any reason to abandon XP.  I don't feel that new-gui or directx-10 are good reasons.

I was only implying the present tense.  Sorry.  I doubt I will be using WinXP in 2013.

Never say never.  ;D

Don't be facetious. I'm sure there will be some good dx10 features in games by at least 2011.

Barely competent home users is a good reason. Vista handles user accounts better than XP. (XP user accounts, even their power user accounts, are useless. Everyone runs in admin mode just so they can install programs without problems). Vista finally took a page from the standard in all other OS's and simply prompts a limited user for an administrative password if it needs additional privaleges.

For users like my father, that means I can set up his PC for him to be in a user account, tell him the password, and tell him the simple rule: "If you're not ACTUALLY INSTALLING A PROGRAM DO NOT TYPE IN THAT PASSWORD IF IT APPEARS" and he's considerably more protected against a lot of security risks. Because he'll actually RUN in user mode now.

Other than that, not a whole lot extra.

Yep, Vista is the new ME like white is the new black.

sudo is no excuse for the rest of the OS to suck.

OK, I'll give you the user-rights bit.  But Tebonas is right, putting a DOS version of sudo on my mother-in-law's computer is all well and good but if I have to keep going over there because she can't access her network, it's a wash.  Also, whenever someone asks me how to do something I am not able to walk them through it.  This might seem like a good thing but it just means a personal visit is going to happen and I will have to figure it out.

Anyway, I was talking about a reason for me to switch.  Sorry for the abundant vague context.  I meant that I personally don't have any reason to abandon XP in the near term.  I'm open to being convinced, though.

Having just switched to Vista in the last two months or so, I only have three issues with the OS.

The first is that sometimes the damn thing will hang when I try and start a program.  I'm guessing this is due to Vista going through it's "verification" process or whatever. 

The second thing is that it will occasionally drop me to my desktop for no appearant reason.  It doesn't end whatever program I'm running, just dumps me to desktop.  It's done this a grand total of twice, so I suppose it could have been something I've done.

Lastly, it doesn't recognise my mic on my headset.  I'm getting the feeling this is something to do with my drivers on my X-FI card and a conflict with Vista, but without internet at home... it makes troubleshooting tedious. 

Hey, I agree entirely. But it IS a significant change at least in order with DirectX 10 and the new GUI. And for people like my father, a really, really, REALLY good reason to switch (or at least order Vista instead of XP on a new PC).

For me, not so much.

The newest Xfi drivers seem to work fine, just make sure you remove the old ones entirely, they had some funky ones post April 07 until the current.
Not that an Xfi gets you much in vista. Blocking hardware accel for sound screws eax entirely.

There was a recent release that was supposed to make EAX work in Vista again... yeah, that alchemy thingy... (http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?MainCategory=1&nRegionFK=&nCountryFK=&nLanguageFK=&sOSName=Windows+Vista+32-bit&region=1&Product_Name=Sound+Blaster+X-Fi+XtremeGamer&Product_ID=15853&modelnumber=&driverlang=1033&OS=26&drivertype=0&x=17&y=16)

Hmm... didn't delete all the old drivers.  I'll give that a shot and reinstall. 

I got my mom OSX. She's happy and her computer doesn't get messed up.

If I hated my mom I'd get her Windows (of any flavor). Why do you hate your dad?   :awesome_for_real:

I'm getting it to learn it eventually. And whatever new OS is dropping now is not going to hit consumers probably for another two years, if that, and only if it's an actual consumer OS that has some demonstrable improvement for the average consumer. Vista is an actual improved user experience for the Best Buy/Dell/Gateway crowd, if only because it's prettier and doesn't ask you to muck with profiles too much.

I think my hardware has sufficient driver support, but I'll know in a few weeks. And if it doesn't, well, I just did a clean XP install a month ago so I'm not losing too much anyway.

There are things I like about Vista but it's starting to get on my nerves. I think one of my harddrives is failing too so when whatever drive it is gives up the ghost I'm just gonna format and switch back to XP.

They are going to basically have to pry XP out of my cold dead fingers unless they can absolutely assure me that the next iteration isn't a complete steaming pile of shit.

They can call me when it has enough back compatability that I don't have to wrestle with the OS or dual boot to play all my games on it. Or they can give me a reason to upgrade regardless, a handful of games requiring is not enough for me to buy a new console so it's sure as hell not enough to make me switch my OS.