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Did foozle go the way of the dinosaur?

(Add 'foozle' to the spell checker)

oh man. It took like 8 hours for someone to say something. Ask WAP. I have no idea. I made up the word. He said it should replace Foozle. So it did.

It means something in another language... Polish, I think.

Good enough an explanation as any.

Hey WAP.  'Jackhob'.  Etymology please.  Or something.

Jackhob - Contributor - Moderator - Schild

Jackhob's ladder!

Sounds good to me.

I predict a jackhobyte rebellion.

The world has exploded.

Guess I'm late to the party, but why not make it the level between Foozle and Contributor?  Say, once a Foozle breaks a thousand posts or something like that?

Because we would all start grinding on the message board. And that would be bad.

Hmm. This would go with the change from Moderator to Staff.

Hey, you! Stop grinding on the board. You'll chafe.

Foozle was ok.  I don't like this one, though.  It sounds way too masculine and dis-amusing.  I want it the fuck away from under my name.

Thank you in advance.

I'm surprised you didn't request a pink name already.

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We're trying to innovate. Every board has foozles. How many boards have jackhobs?

Also, what if I told you jackhob was derived from the sanskrit for "girl." What then? EH?

I'd call you a dirty liar.

But that's just me.

She's a Jillhob.

It was a funny sounding word. I have never seen people upset by one made up word replacing another before. Teh interwebz is a crazy place.

Who cares if other boards have foozle, we probably had it first! Caving in to change for change's sake is weak!

BRING BACK FOOZLE TITLE!

Especially when there's no existing defintion on urbandictionary.com

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foozle

When people are citing urban dictionary, the fucktards have already won.

If you search for 'foozle forums' on teh googles we are the third result, the first two don't even have a member group that are foozles (AFAIK, the second isn't even a forum)!

We will lose our esteemed position.

EDIT:


Is this sarcasm?  There are three definitions!

Future sarcasm requires a  :awesome_for_real: or  :oh_i_see: after your statement.

Actually, we've upgraded. We're the first result for "jackhob." After 24 hours. Eat it!

I take you're results and raise you a google image search:

http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&q=+site:forums.f13.net+foozle (http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&q=+site:forums.f13.net+foozle)

That was actually on the second page of GIS when doing a search for 'foozle'.

We're so cool.

Actually, I was suggesting that Jackhob doesn't have an entry, whereas Foozle has several.  That was all.

It's not and I'm not and I won't be one.  I'm stamping my foot!

PS  I specifically asked not to be pink.  I like being normal!

Make Signe pink.  Also make everything Signe posts show up in pink. 

The normals are all now jackhobs, so you're essentially asking to be a jackhob here.

It's hard to type jackhob.

Who is him?  Not me.  I'm not he.

Anyway, I really, Really, REALLY hate that new word.  A lot.  It's almost as bad as lube and sausage.

You're a silly jillhob.

Jackhob

Sounds like jackoff. I'm with Signe.


I suppose creating the Jackhobins and trying for a revolution might work. It did for those crazy French.

What about "Plebeian" or "Proletarian"?

Huh, I thought it was just a rewrite of hackjob, being some sort of sneaky reference to video game "journalists".

I want to know why my avatard wasn't on the GIS Trippy posted, also angry Signe could be fun.  I do sort of miss foozle though.  It actually made sense and meant things.  Also somebody should submit a correct meaning of foozle to urbandictionary & it is totally a decent citation source for slang half the time.

And there goes my dignity.

Now I'm REALLY going to get trippy and ookii confused.

I just have to remember, one's a cat sandwich and one's a waving cat.

Maybe fellephant instead of jackhob.

/derail

"Caviar and cigarettes. Well versed in etiquette. Extraordinarily nice."

Freddie fucking rocks. I'm still pissed to this day that I never got to see him sing live.

/derail off.

This word is just fucking annoying me every time I notice it.  I hate hate hate it with all the hate I have.  Which, granted, isn't a lot but more than I'm used to!

Jackhob is clearly a concatenation of 'jack' (to masturbate) and 'hob' (from 'hob nob' - 'give and take', as used in sharing, especially of drinks). So I presume a jackhob is supposed to be somebody who gives and partakes of semen for the purposes of drinking, or at least, swallowing. Not a very nice thing to call the respondents of the forum, and I suspect it will cause a few of them to leave.

You mean to say, you made it disgusting because you wanted me to change it?

Maybe it means George, Righ.

YES, IT MEANS GEORGE.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEMEN. DON'T MAKE STUFF UP.

This whole renaming business looks like a hackjob to me.

Clearly the solution for Signe is for her to just submit something for biif and she will be a Contributor. However, I think her name should be in rainbows with the titile "Trix are for Kids".

No, I'm just interested in the etymology of the word. It clearly wasn't meant to be something as prosaic as 'George' or you would have just used 'George'. And there's no point in getting upset at me  - I'm not the one calling my site's membership a bunch of cum guzzling jackhobs.

This is an interesting angle you're taking.

Stop trying to crap things up.

My tv is not called jackhob.

Jackhob almost certainly has something to do with touching yourself in a dirty way!  I am almost positively very nearly 100% sure of it.  Therefore, my sweet heart-throbby hubby is pretty near just about well nigh on roughly being essentially correct, in effect.

Thank you, honey.  (http://www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/girl%20(3).gif)

Other than the fact it is polish for "cute bunny hopping through an open field."

So basically, it's just like a foozle.

It might as well be "Jakob" written by somebody with dyslexia. But I'm not judging here.

I wouldn't mind being a cute polish bunny hopping through an open field.  I still dislike that word, though.  Can't you come up with something cuter?  Bunny is good.  Can't we be bunnies?  (http://www.chins-n-quills.com/forums/images/smilies/bunny.gif) (http://www.chins-n-quills.com/forums/images/smilies/bunny.gif) (http://www.chins-n-quills.com/forums/images/smilies/bunny.gif)

Why are you all being so mean to schild for coming out as a bunny semen slurping furry? I thought better of you all. Good luck in the bowling match against the klingons, schild.

Thanks for your support, Meow.

NP, bud. I'm here for ya.

Btw, it's Chairman Meow.  :awesome_for_real:

btw, I was totally going to use that Chairman Meow as MY avatard before Sky stole my idea.

SO SOLLY CHOLLY
 :awesome_for_real:

New title please!

There I changed it.

Now Righ can stop being LITTLE MISS SASSY.

Also:

(http://www.eclipsetours.com/w6.jpg)

(http://ron.heavengames.com/gameinfo/wonders/pix/RoN/terra_cotta_army.jpg)

When my nephew was in high school, he wrote an essay for a contest and won.  His prize was a trip to China and he actually got to go to the site of the terracotta soldiers.  It was all very cool and jealousy awe inspiring to see the pics.

Anyway, I'd rather be a Terracotta Horsey.

Wait.  No, I wouldn't!

You can dress up as a horse. Then I'll rename you Terracotta Furry.

I TOOK IT BACK!

You can't. I see all.

You stink of bacon.

Good.

Me either, although I was actually surprisingly impressed with Paul Rodgers vocals when I saw Queen last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjrHNu-Uq4o

Huh? Paul Rodgers has this american country twang bullshit going on that sucks so goddamn hard. He needs to stop trailing his shit off on an up note. Also, he has the vocal range of a one tenths model of Freddie Mercury.

Not trying to be mean, just. Fuck. I love me some Mercury. And Rodgers is a horrible replacement.

Mercury doing it right - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D99n9f3vU4 With Rodgers they sound like a bowling alley cover band.

Y'know.... I hate about half of Queen's music. He tainted some otherwise good albums with that ragtime grandma shit (Seaside Rendevous, for example). It wasn't May's doing either, it was all Freddie.

Paul McCartney did the same thing to otherwise good Beatles albums -- err, well, in fact, Paul was the one who started it. After that, we get the likes of Freddie at his worst, Jeff Lynne, and Billy Joel.

What the fuck is wrong with Billy Joel? The Jewish Defense Force will be all over your ass for that.

OK, terracotta army is a step up from err whatever. But why were foozles broken? I present an eternal truth. If it works, don't fix it.

Every MMOG has foozles. We're innovators.

He may not have been the star player in The Move, but most of what ELO did in the 70s was excellent, particularly Eldorado.

OMG I highly recommend "Nobodys Child" or as my x and I called it at the time "Painted Lady".

Ah, I actually like their disco shit believe it or not -- and he's a great guitar player -- but quite a bit of McCartney influence would slip in to ELO albums from time to time. And not the cool "Helter Skelter McCartney", but the utterly square "When I'm 64 McCartney". I hate that shit.

All of those guys should have been more like Bowie, who just listened to John.

Why? John Lennon wasn't some song writing god - he produced a fair amount of mediocre guff - probably a greater proportion of his work than the more prolific McCartney. You have to take the bad with the good - without McCartney, Mercury or Lynne some of the greatest works of the Beatles, ELO or Queen would not have been even slightly possible. After all, Lennon-McCartney without McCartney is just Lennon, and look at the solo albums - a handful of good songs and a bunch of appalling crap.

I think that Brian Eno influenced David Bowie more than John Lennon ever did.

Well I am fonder of Lennon than that. But it is hard to say other than Lennon was the poet, McCartney was the musician. Silly love songs but songs never
 the less.

John showed his balls more than Paul. He was the older cat of the bunch, and the biggest rocker out of them. So that's why I like him more. I don't think he was some sort of god though. Paul had a lot of things going on besides rock -- whatever you want to call it, I don't know -- he was more in touch with the older genres, British folk, and definitely the best musician of the bunch, and the best singer. Also, even though I think Lennon was cooler, I did mention Helter Skelter. For some odd reason, Paul wrote that! And John really didn't get that nasty until after the Beatles, I think (with Plastic Ono). John still gets more listening out of me though because he consistently had the Blues, both musically and psychologically -- even when it was psychedelic shit about flowers, it was still blue-sy -- and I like that.

This entire thread confuses and infuriates me.  Did people actually get upset about Jackhob?

I hate the new title- it reminds me of necrophilia.  So we want to have sex with dead people?

It reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6CPwu0I44 so it's actually a step-up in my book :drill:.

I love the new title!

I love you, Shild.

You're not really infuriated.  You're just very dramaticalistic.

By the way... As for my Bowie/Lennon influence comment..

I meant Davie Jones. And possibly Starman Bowie. Not He Who Loves China Girl and Croons Deeply Bowie.

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-bird-eats-starfish.jpg)

What am I now?

I think they're shooting for "insignificant" and not "a Chinese stone statue army."

I also think "Jackhob" should be Geldonyetich's permanent grief title.  (As if I get to pick them myself.)

There was nothing insignificant about the Terracotta army. You however, are a different story.

We rule.

Actually while being lined up in military formations, no two Terracotta warriors have the same face. They are all unique.

It's similar to my monkey bretheren, but humans think we all look alike. That's why I wear a top hat now.

Some idiot cut Righ off on the highway yesterday and he called him a "Jackhob."  He also called a Jackhob after I called him "Miss Sassy Pants."  I think we should change it from Terracotta Army to Miss Sassy Pants.  It sound more righter.

I think people should stop fucking around.

OH, so thats why you are grinding f13, to get a ding "GRATS" level.


Fucking noobs.  Don't you know you need to post ignorant assumptions in pc gaming and drunkedly demand a new color on your name to those that be?  Shit, damn kids these days.

Well, back to the:
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paging Rasix, Rasix cleanup in aisle 3!

Ched-meister's vitriol was more intimidating before I realized the dude's in a state of neigh-perpetual burnout.

Re: Grinding F13 - I didn't quite manage 2/day, but I'm still way down from 16/day, and both our worlds are better for it.

My post was ironic and funny.  Why do you want a fight with me?  Shit negro, I been watching Gangland religious on the History HD.  REPRESENT!

(http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/vox/media/blog_gang_sign.jpg)

Also it will be more funny for some people.  Details to follow.

I'm not sure what that sign means but, when combined with a pre-existing state of confusion over why hamster wheels need USB connections, it's devastating on my fragile message-board psyche.   I give!  Uncle!  Uncle!

I think it means BBQ.  You will just need to try it sometime; preferably in downtown Seattle.

Apparently it means, "Blog", which says some ironic and funny things about the members of today's gangs.

/wave   :drill:

Actually, it means "You are banned, bitch. Welcome to the intardnet."

Told you to stick to 2. 

Nothing here makes sense.  Jackhob makes more sense than the last few posts.  Please explain everything or I'll pop.

Geldon was officially banned.  Scroll up- it all makes sense.  Kinda like that movie Fight Club if you go back and rewatch it. 

Oh.  Why?  He wasn't all that naughty.  Did he run over someone's dog?

Dunno, I hear Santa hung himself for it. 

Poor Santa.  He looks how I feel, all dead and droopy.

Have a Christmas goose!

That was pretty much the stupidest banning I've ever seen happen here.

I agree.

Yes, because that was the real (shit, running out of text tags) reason for his banning.  :roll:

Edit: And yah, ban avoidance already.   :awesome_for_real: 

f13 has (almost) always functioned as a democracy (except for that time I unbanned Bruce). When more staff wants someone gone than wants them to stay and that said person gets insulted by more people than he is praised, well, it's hard to argue with them.

If you count out the Day 1 bannings and all the gold spammers/link exchange/numbskulls I've deleted after 1 post, we've had so few bannings around here that you probably couldn't remember them.

Even HRose has become more than tolerable. Geldon on the other hand is an obsessive nut who didn't change even one iota. Go check out his blog. He's still a whiny kid. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the beginning and he proved me otherwise, which is a shame. Call it a stupid banning all you want. We're more than fair with our share of nutjobs.

No one is complaining that we banned Hyu again either. Though his was simply a case of ban avoidance.

Edit: By the way, Geldon's banning was planned nearly a month ago.

I love a good banning. It keeps people from getting too comfortable with their own levels of crazy.

Wait a minute...

Hyu was back ? ? ?

edit: The second I wrote his name the lights went out in my living room (a short circuit I think hope). Scary.

See. You don't even know. He was BigBlack.

Yea, unfair bannings. That's what f13 is about.

Bullshit. It's all about Blackjack and hookers, right ?


edit: ... and bacon!

Craps > Blackjack

Bacon > Craps & Blackjack & Hookers

What if you did the latter while eating bacon?

(http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/kraftasmic/files/2007/06/messy-bed-in-craft-room.jpeg)

I don't get it.

http://geldonsgaming.blogspot.com/2007/12/f13-leadership-still-irrational.html


Heh.

Here, let him put this shit on his blog: I changed his avatar because it was a sparkly piece of LOOK-AT-ME annoying shit. Which pretty much encompasses Geldon, ironically.

A year or so ago you changed my sig for sparklies.  Yes, yes, I know it was meant to taunt you but still... why do you NOT like sparkle?  Everything is so black and pink to you.

Edit:  it needed to be notted.

It's a Festivus miracle!!

So if you guys dislike Geldon so much you can't bear to read another word from him, how come you're camping his blog?

Just wondering...

It's like a trainwreck - you cannot help but watch.

For the record, I've only been to his blog once, to see his initial little rant.

I like Geldon!  (http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/images/smilies/stirthepot.gif)

He lost my defense when he broke the 2 post limit.  I talked the entire thing up in one of the sekret forums and he made me lose 20 bucks.  Fuck him.

Oh and I love the new  :drill:  I want to use it with ever post!!!  EVERYONE SIG YOUR FAVORITE SMILEY!!!

When Geldon looks like the sane one in an argument something went horribly horribly wrong for the people involved.

That being said it is your soapbox and its your right to push everybody down from it as you please. That selfrighteous indignation if it happens is something I couldn't wrap my head around since the Banned of Lum the Mad.

Are you confused?  I read and quoted his blog, I'm not aware of having any dislike or a personal hatred for his writing (well no more than usual).

Geldon crazy go too far - nasties ban. Carefully worded indignation on personal blog change past not.

Me, others, of undefined positions on topic. Assume as required to fit into your own agenda.

I give the same flying fuck about Geldons personal blog as I did on aforementioned Banned of Lum The Mad.

I am talking about the boards here. And if discussions on the sekret boards should in any way influence my opinion, they should give me access to it. If not, I fucking don't care about them as well (and no, this is no rant whatsoever against those boards. Every forum has them and its 3753 times better than give your inner clique buddies write access to the den). As of right now the only things I read are "We wanted to do it for a month now but today the fancy hit us" and "I lost 20 bucks to an internet bet, which makes Geldon my target because its easier than admitting it was a dumb bet to begin with".

I don't personally care about this banning, but I'm all for calling a duck a duck.

Schild just took longer than intended to ban Geldon.  That's really the only thing that made it look like Geldon was being banned for no real reason.  After his drama queen implosion that resulted in his self-ban previously, I think it was generous of schild & co. to even give him another chance, however brief.  I seem to recall him having some not-so-nice things to say about f13 on his blog that time too, and god knows if I were to storm out of somebody's house while talking shit to them, I wouldn't exactly be expecting to be welcomed back with open arms when I just show up on the doorstep sometime later.  If you really want to see all the shit that got Geldon banned, you don't need access to the private forums.  It's pretty much all out there, if you care to look around.

Granted, his banning can be seen as a work in progess. As with all "the drop that caused the bucket to spill" situations, the actual drop seems like a really really small amount compared to the giant pisses he took into the bucket previously.

As I said, kick whomever you like from your playground. Even me if I get annoying. Be warned though, I'm too lazy to make my own blog and too lethargic to bother registering another account  :-)

The thing is, you could probably count the number of (non-spammers) who've been banned on one hand (ok, maybe two).  From what I've seen and heard, schild is actually a much more forgiving person than I think a lot of us would be in his situation, and doesn't seem to take the act of banning someone as lightly as it might come across.  I know, private forums/IRC conversations and all that, and I'm sure I sound like a complete ass-kisser or something, but that's how it is.

I could understand banning him just for being a generalized pain in the ass. Schild should have just done that and said so. Instead he was banned by some random member of the inner circle for no apparent reason. On a board where bannings are as rare as they are here that's going to provoke some comment.

Rasix did the banning.  I had nothing to do with it besides making some funny before it all went down.  The timing was purely coincidental; I was a little surprised it all worked out (and laughed pretty profusely).

"Banned by some random member?"  What are you jabbering about? 

Not having the gift of telepathy I had no way of knowing that.

The Plebes are in shock when one of their number is tossed by the Patricians.  Not because it was undeserved, but because they have no input into the decision making which causes it look capricious and doubtful about their own well-being.  Which, it is somewhat capricious when the event is a month removed from the cause, and removing any attempt at cause-effect behavioral reinforcement on the Plebes.  Not that it matters, because the only option the Plebes have ever had was to leave Rome. 

Or something.

It's not a gift.  You can buy it here (http://www.be-psychic.com/psychic/).

The lesson here is to ban faster, it seems.  Leniency generates complaints.

It's possible to vote, actually, in an indirect manner by not complaining about Geldon... just as an example.  He was allowed to dodge his ban and had his chance.  The only person I recall that liked Geldon was Falconeer, and I'm probably overstating "like".

Not that I can ban anyone.

No.  I've always liked Geldon.  He's very sweet.  I really can't criticise anyone for their posting style however I might feel about it... at least not in any believable way.  Most of what I post is complete and utter bollocks.    :grin:

Unfortunately for our hapless victims, we take that into account when considering your opinion.

Fuck, I get a week off of work, and not only do I miss being a Jackhob Emeritus, I get to miss a good Geldon banning?

Geldon brings bannings on himself. I used to like the guy, but he went round the bend when he got shitcanned from his job. And he just kept making it worse because he never knew when to shut the fuck up.

And apparently still doesn't.

You got Hyu in with it? It's a Festivus Miracle.

I had no idea Hyu was BigBlack.  He played that remarkably well.  If he was in Japan and he's back, how'd ya'll tell it was him?

Rasix figured it out within 5 posts.

It became 105% clear when he mentioned japanese fetishists a few weeks ago.

Heh. Genius.

I am against both bannings, but I wanted Geldon to be muzzled additionally after I was actually enjoying reading a third thread he destroyed by replying over 5 times in a single page.  His posting was off the charts, he was at like 18/day at one point.  Since its unfair to require the f13 staff to waste time/effort cleaning up after Geldon I don't mind that ban.

Hyu/Tele/Mediocrity was banned originally for I don't even know what reason anymore.  He posted a ton of personal life stuff when nobody was asking (always annoying) and he posted a great deal but I honestly wasn't bothered by him as BigBlack at all.

Whenever it came up before the hammer fell I posted that I didn't think Bruce needed to be banned.  I think, if possible, people cared even less about what I was posting at that time though.  The furry stuff was creepy but led to lots of funny posts, I was usually glad Bruce was around if only for the hilarity that ensued when he was being a jackass with his charts.

Those are the only three posters I remember reading posts from that got banned to my knowledge.  I know Dark Vengeance was banned but that means nothing to me, I've just seen it come up at times like this.

In the end though, certain people have to spend time editing/removing/moving posts, that is work.  If they have to focus a bunch of attention on particular individuals and reach a "yo fuck this guy" level, then yeah sure get rid of him.  As random posters who are never asked to handle any of that shit I can't complain too loudly.  Furthermore I always find it helps to just imagine that the Green/Blue staff are getting lots of annoying whack PM's from these people which contribute to the bannings.  Also I always pretend Cheddar has no influence.  Living in an internet world where Cheddar has influence is a terrible thought, I can see how having it look like he helped make the ban decision could ruffle some feathers.

P.S.  Internet drama for the win.

DV was banned because he was being a total dick behind the scenes. I told him that I wouldn't ban him if he could beat me in UT. I beat him 25-2. Or something utterly ridiculous. My game was much better back then. Anyway, we banned him. Then he got mad, made an account and tubgirled a birthday thread. Then he was IP banned and bitched at corpnews. Good riddance to that punk ass bitch.

Bruce was banned because, simply put, he's a loser. People hated him. And his argument is always, shouldn't you ban all the people that MAKE threads about me? Just like Geldon.

No, you ban the fucking source, and then threads don't do that. One death is greater than fifty.

I get most of the whack PMs as far as I know. I have about 3,000 PMs. I'd say about 10% of them are complaining about users. Most of the time I tell people that life sucks, get a helmet.

Cheddar had no say whatsoever in this.

You know, I can think of another guy in his early thirties that was disliked by most around him.  He was weird and had crazy ideas, and "talked" too much (the forum posting of his day).  But you know who he turned out to be?  YOUR SAVIOR AND INFINITE MASTER FOR ALL ETERNITY. 



Think about it.

Tim Curry?

I only had 2 things to do with the entire drama episode.

1.  Challenging Mr. Geldon to make 2 posts/day.
2.  Making some funny in this thread.


Thats it, I barely interact with the mods and admins. 

I didn't understand that post at all.  Looking at what he has said in the past, he is what he was whinging about!

Edit:  err... I was talking about Hyu, btw.

Murderer.

Funny that, huh?  I giggled when I read it.

Wow I go away for a few weeks on vacation and look what happens.

This is like that movie Mean Girls. Except Geldon didnt win in the end, and he isnt a hot female.

There are cliques on F13? Im shocked. Shocked I tell you!

Edit: I cant spell.

Except the girls are mostly nice and it's the blokes who are mean.  So it really isn't like what you said.  And you've been gone longer than a few weeks!  I haves seen you for ages and ages.  Not since last year.  I thought the mean men had run you off. 

No love. I have simply constrained myself to the Politics Forum lately. Although I did take about a 5 month break for awhile.

I dont have the time to read through the rest of the forum these days. My job keeps me busy. And other than possibly Conan coming out, Im not all that interested in gaming these days either.

Maybe I will make a what's happening in the life of Broughden post in the general forum tomorrow, since Im off from work. Someone might care. Probably not.

The only reason I found this thread is someone mentioned the bannings in the politics forum.

Don't take this the wrong way, k?

Don't do that.

Heh.

That made me giggle.


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The funny part about all that was that DV ALWAYS had an excuse for getting dickstomped in UT. It was always "I'm terrible at this map" or "you have instagib" or some other bitch ass excuse. He whined worse than a 5-year old on TS. I'm the one should have been whining, everybody beat my ass like a drum on that server.

The more I think about this comment, to more true and yet scary it becomes. I think I need to go hide or some such.



I dont know about that, I am terrified of VDL and her snacks.


On the topic of the bannings, I can understand Geld as he started off decently and then just started to derail every single thread he was a part of. Thats not good for any forum.

You guys are such mean admins!  :uhrr:

I mean, I'm probably not loved by most the staff ;) but I have never feared a banning because I know you guys are at least fair and I'm not a total douchebag.

So the lesson here is, if you aren't a TOTAL douchebag you are probably ok at f13.

On a completely unrelated note:  What game are you kids playing these days?  I need some sorta multi player love, STAT.

I got a copy of HL2 but am not sure how long it will last.  I may try the zombie mod, it sounds like the bees knees. 

See, Chedd misses me!

CoD4, Eve, Witcher currently.

I just picked up Vanilla BF2 (no expansions or boosters) and have been alternating between that and TF2.

If only we had a thread about what games we're currently playing!


 :drill:

Gimme a holler when you play BF2...I still play a couple of times a week.

The question was direct at my boy.  I hate the games thread, its like a cesspool.

In a thread about banning people who constantly derail threads, one of the strongest supporters of the banning derails the thread.

I think there is a word for that, I just cant think of it....

Jackhobbery.

I only found out what was going on in here after wondering why the hell this jackhob question has taken so many pages to answer.

I dunno if I support the ban, per say, I just supported fixing a problem. 

Thread derails are inevitable around here.  As people post threads evolve and change, morphing into strange new beasts. 

Some beasts are stranger than others.

Maybe I don't understand English well enough (clearly not my language) to understand the annoying part of Geldon.
So I think it's an unfair ban.

He says he doesn't care, but I am sorry.

So... it's me?  Sweet.  Everyone bow down.

I was wondering what was going on in this thread. Now I know what happened. I'll be out on the curb pouring a 40 for my departed homies. Peace, yo.



Also, I'm not quite sure what happened here. I saw both of them implode last time, but this time it was far less obvious, aside from the twice-weekly bitching about not having an edit button.

Man, I wasn't even all that gone for a few weeks and didn't know about the banning. I suck at observation or something.

I fully support it though (heh, because that matters?). Narcissism is bad for topic continuity and he just liked having people talk about him too damned much. Which makes me wonder if he can see this forum :wink:

To be fair, those 5 posts were all about AC Darktide?  Kind of a gimme.  :oh_i_see:  Rasix confirmed with me via PM (as best I recall), I didn't once try to hide it.

Reasons for banning me vary.  I think the final straw the first time was when I told Haemish that Diablo epitomized everything wrong with gaming in general and Diku-gameplay in particular, and since then it's just been a matter of ban evasion, mixed in with my (still ongoing) love for Farnsworth Bentley (and anyhow, I challenge anyone with taste in fashion to dispute his sartorial choices - you can't argue with a man who owns his own line of custom umbrellas).

Frankly, Schild, I'm just pootered you never responded to my request to move the DDO board back to active status, seeing as how there was sufficient interest.  :heartbreak:

Also, is it okay that Geldon bugs the shit out of me?  I know we should have solidarity for one another since, yeah, I get banned, he gets banned, but I'm not a complete fucking emotional wreck on a personal level like he is, I'm just a standard-issue douchebag with too many opinions on MMOs and a Jewfro.  I like bouncing opinions and ideas off of the peanut gallery here, and on a personal level I'm sure you're all swell folks, but I'd rather shoot myself than to fall to that level of approval-seeking on the internet, even if my life actively blew up around me as Geldon's seemed to.  You guys are... fellow hobbyists.

Now, have some funny that I didn't make (http://www.derrickcomedy.com/2007/08/21/self-defense/).  Probably posted already somewhere on here, but whatevs.

Oh the irony, it is delicious.

So, how was your time in Nagoya?

In order for bans to mean something, we need to ban the whole IP address thingy so mofos don't just make a new account.

We do.  Doesn't help if they're on a dynamic IP or are a persistant douchebag.  Sucks that people who aren't welcome feel the need to stick around.

It's trivially easy to avoid an IP ban.  Takes about 20 minutes, tops.

Hopefully, it only takes about 20 seconds to ban someone.  So, if the mods are persistent then the banee should get frustrated and go away after a while.

Goodbye, again, Hyu.

You're being a bad Jew.

That was... weird. I wonder if this thread is going to start calling all the banned people here out of the woodwork? (Bruce? Is that you? :-o)

 :rofl:

Hey Asshole: WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.

If VDL's post looks out of place, I deleted Hyu's preceeding it. I do not want to look at that stupid avatar.

That avatar is my face  :?


I get that a lot, oddly enough. Best variation was "You're retroactively justifying Hitler's actions!", shouted at me when I showed up at a Swift Boat Veterans for Truth rally with a Jews for Kerry/Edwards sign.

Teleku:  I had a great time (as best I recall, you also studied abroad in Japan, or were going to, or lived there at some point?) in Nagoya -- actually lived out in the countryside on Kokudo Ichigousen, Japan's equivalent of Route 66, next to a truck stop and surrounded by rice fields, about an hour and a half outside of Nagoya.  Joined Nanzan's hip-hop dance crew for the semester, visited fun places, had interesting experiences.  Aside from the usual Tokyo/Kyoto/Nara etc., a few lazy fall days spent in Innoshima just relaxing and listening to J-Reggae (Takacha, who's got this one song called 'Umimite', I think it is, that's incredibly addictive) with a fiery Italian JET girl, and mountain climbing in Daisetsuzan national park in Hokkaido, were a couple of my favorites.

Not so favorite?  Arriving in Tokyo to stay with my old sophomore year roommate and his family for a four-day weekend, immediately going from fine-and-dandy to vomiting-6-times-in-3-hours-and-feeling-like-I'm-about-to-die on my arrival, his mom printing me out an article (which I can only half-read, especially in that state) telling me that I've probably come down with the Norwalk Virus (never heard of it before) and that dozens of people have died from it as it's reaching epidemic proportions, hastily scribbling out a makeshift last will and testament on my laptop in case I'm added to one of those dozen (and feeling like I might be), and only fully recovering days later as I'm about to take the train home back to Nagoya.  Awesome vacation+++!

What'd you get up to while you were there?  Or have you not gone yet?  Please do refresh my memory.  Generally on AIM as "JoeSchmoeIsntAHo" in case this thread / my latest account is getting nuked.

You're done. I'm leaving that post. Stop making accounts. Just go away. I called you a bad jew for being so disrespectful btw. Try to have some goddamn class, man.

 :pedobear:

I don't know what the deal is lately here at f13, but there are some batshit insane (oh, i saw this term in Maxim the other day while I was leafing through it -- yes, people read the articles) threads occurring lately. The hell is going on around here?

But to derail the thread further, my girlfriend and I rode to Disney World the other day with her cousin and her cousin's boyfriend, and they couldn't stop talking about how great Darkfall was. I think I peed a little.  :uhrr:

Anyway, I think we should go back to our respective threads, and mourn the Bucs loss today.

:cry:

Tomorrow is a new moon, so I got nothing.  I'd need personal details to pull some tarot, so... meh.

Apparently we should have a key signing party.

I didn't spot the happenings here until today, so apologies for being a week late to the party.

Frankly, I agree with the bunch of people a few pages back who're saying the whole geldon ban is out of order.  I think Geldon's "frat boy" simile is as poor as it would be possible to come up with, but there definitely has, over the last while, been a feeling of a very small inner bunch of friends who egg each other on in a private forum to do stuff to others that's frankly only understood when you read their comments in this thread about it being funny for them.  I've read through this thread a couple of times now in an attempt to understand it and it's not exactly a great example of transparency of process.

Geldon was a bit annoying, yes.  But he added a source of contrary opinions in a board that - particularly in the gaming areas - is pretty monochromatic on the shades of opinion front.  And on the scale of internet annoying posters he wasn't even in the top quartile.  His posts often had content.  Wrong and foolish as I may have thought it, it was content nonetheless.  I criticised him pretty openly a couple of times, and found his posting a bit annoyingly naive, but I'd rather have that than dreary uniformity.

Schild is doing the hurt "you can't even remember who I've banned it's so rare" thing, but that should be the case.  People shouldn't get banned simply to provide snorting-milk-out-the-nose amusement for a small circle who have circle-jerked themselves into a state of largely irrational group-dislike for someone.  His comment in the thread on his blog about the episode is better written and clearer than any of the cack-handed attempts to justify the banning in here.  And the fact that the person who seems to have banned him is the person who invited him back sucks, as well as reeking of rapid distancing.  If it was actually planned then that is even worse.

The private forums, they are not as interesting as you seem to think they are.

Well, thanks for providing such a well-thought-out and considered reply.  Probably too much content there, though.  Next time, why not consider breaking it up into a series of responses?

You think, from what I said, that I view them as interesting?  The only matter of interest would be who or what will be decided as unworthy of F13 next.

Whoa, you're fairly angry about this, I can tell.

Aside from the fact that the whole discussion was done to death already and it doesn't need repeating just because you stumbled on this topic a week late?

I posted about how it was a foolish, petty and vindictive response apparently motivated by nothing more than the personal tastes of a tiny number of board posters.  Aside from an absolutely nonsensical post about F13 being a 'democracy' (perhaps looking up the word "oligarchy" would help in future: I don't remember the "ban Geldon" vote going up, and I'm absolutely confident that the answer would have been "no" to that one), there has been no justification of the decision other than a couple of people withgreen names saying they thought it was funny.

The tone of your responses pretty much backs up what I said: dismissive, condescending and supercilious.  You may disagree with what i said - I would expect nothing else - but much of it had not yet been addressed, let alone "done to death".  Posting after a three-day pause to a thread in the top eight of a forum is hardly necroing.

Note to self:  Vote to kick Endie off the Island at the next f13 Illuminati meeting.

Wait, this is a democracy?

Apparently so:


Democratic Republic of the Congo.  German Democratic Republic.  Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Schild has WMD that may be operational in under 45 minutes.

Funny, it might just be me but... "has almost always functioned as" doesn't mean the same thing as 'is' in my book.

It might just be that I suck at trying to care about a guy who would post three times in a row about his personal bullshit in nearly every single thread he was involved with, obsessivly discussed the fact he couldn't edit and that people didn't like him, (almost) always spoke without logic or humor, and was just all around fucking annoying every time he touched his keyboard at this site... which happened to be all fucking day long... but I fail to understand why you care so much about this.

Also a democracy does not require a referendum on every matter.

Bingo.

Mostly though, when I say democracy, I mean the appointed judges (judges are still appointed in america amirite  :awesome_for_real: [I suppose there's even a nomination process, even though I do get to pick them]), generally make the final decision in a group effort in terms of what happens with users on f13. Since day 1 it's been a group decision. Maybe a republic would have been a better description.

Anyway, point is, very rarely do I flex my skull-crushing hand to determine the fate of the users. There are very few times where I don't defer the decision to the mods. Though, sometimes, a number of times in fact, I step in and say it's not worth a banning yet or I lighten the punishment. But yes, there are times where my say is final. Like with gold spammers and ban avoidance (but even I let Hyu stick around a few months after he dicked around a third time).

What private forums?  Am I in a private forum?  We should turn this place in to a conferencing system so we can all make private forums and only let in people we like.  WE CAN USE AMEOL!!!!   :yahoo:

Democracy is "One man, one vote". Schild is the man, he has the vote.

(With apologies to T. Pratchett)

As if he'd understand what you just said.  Leave the poor old plonker to his drool bucket.

(someone is going to yell at me for that, aren't they?  (http://www.tipsyturtle.net/forum/images/smilies/new4/duck.gif)

You are just going to a bad bad place after you die. But so will we. I wonder if hell has a private forum!  :awesome_for_real:

I'd kinda decided to leave this one, since velorath had made my point for me, despite the gaping flaws in lamaros's arguments ("Bingo" is about the least aposite summary you could have given).  But what the hell here we go: no, it's not a democracy, nor is it a republic.  Each involve some measure of elections or plebiscites, depending on whether it is primarlily the Athenian or the Westminster model upon which the example draws.  Why even bother pretending about that?  Since you raised it, it's an oligarchy, and a self-perpetuating one at that.  And no, there's nothing wrong with that in itself: I've said myself, before, that you do the work and pay the bills.  It's a website, not a state (although, as Geldon said, the donation model does introduce new factors there).

But petty and vindictive bans that amount to little more than in-jokes, and which relate to behaviour nowhere near as outright unpleasant as that committed without consequence in the past week or so by more "in" members can't then be justified by the flinging around of a quick "hay guys we're all empowered here!"  Yes, his posting annoyed me sometimes.  But we need something to argue with, or you end up with the bleak monoculture that is developing in the gaming and (to an extent) politics forums.

Endie, you're a smart guy.  Just do some light reading on Geldon.  He wasn't banned because one or two people in the Secret Cabal disliked him.  Also: ban avoidance, which is a big reason he was let go.  If there was a mistake here, it was letting him post for so long after his second coming.  Also read the part about how many people have been banned here.  As for voting, also read the posts surrounding Geldon's posts and observe his contributions to discussions.  It's just not as horrible as you see it.

Of course, given the color of my name, I don't expect you to take my word for it.

Don't worry, you're not due for a banning until the April Purges.

I'm just feeling slighted because you have your private forum and you STILL feel the need to post in threads after they went to the den.

Which I absolutely hate because it gives people the ability to make cheap shots without other people being able to react, and it invalidates the "Frozen in time for its stupidity" purpose as well.

Ban avoidance?  I thought the last time he left was on his own accord, he scrambled his own password so that he couldn't login again.  That's why he had to re-register.  Mind you I'm glad I won't have to glaze over his posts anymore.  I don't hate the guy, I mostly feel sorry for him, he's got some problems.

They've gotten much better about that since the last time.

Cold Storage, the original Den, was for Frozen in Time shit.

I think you have your leper communities confused.

Cheers for a proper resonse, Yegolev.

Honestly, I know about Geldon's posting.  My nightmare was that Schild would make one of his terribly hilarious decisions and say "OK, he's back!" and put "Geldon appears courtesy of Endie" as his grief title.  But on the broad spectrum of internet forum behaviour his was fairly benign.  It added flavour, and lent threads someone to argue with.  He wasn't raging at people in capitals or posting insane graphs.  Which is a shame, all things considered.  But I really didn't see what harm he was doing.

He said on his blog that it was Rasix - a green name - who invited him back.  If that's true then the ban avoidance thing really doesn't wash.  I'm sure there are two sides to that story, but it looks bad.

And if I get banned I have your XBox live account name and am rating you 1 star on player feedback.  The same goes for you all.  I'm not going down without a fight.

PS Tebonas is right the recent posting on denned threads sucked.  Although mainly because I had some really killer burns and couldn't post them.

What ?

Now THAT is bullshit. Are you a door-to-doot salesman? A politician?


Mortal sin!
... and like he was the only one. Feh!

The problem with Geld like Sir Bruce, his posting made every thread about him.  Normal people can control thremselves.  Geld can not.  Geld can't even let it go even after he admits he is wrong.

You're going to have to help me out here.  Which part of the quoted paragraph do you need help with?

Geldon, Bruce, Hyu - these people should have standing bans.

My tolerance led people to believe that these people aren't necessarily as bad as people say.

They are.

So, go ahead, confuse my tolerance with lunacy. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

We've tried to cut down on the amount of last word bullshit in the Den.  I honstly don't see it very often anymore.   And uhh.. some posts have been intentionally left unlocked so certain morons could get dogpiled on.

And Yeg is a little confused about ban avoidance.  That was Hyu's reason for exiting the stage.


What, no.  I banned him. 

Rasix would never, in a thousand years, invite him back.

I was going by what he said on his blog:


Edit: For clarity it was in the comments thread of this page: http://geldonsgaming.blogspot.com/2007/12/f13-leadership-still-irrational.html

Pointless 2 cents:

Freedom of speech as guaranteed by a democratic process only go so far as moderators/admins/owners allow it to happen.  It's their house, we're just guests in it.  Not just here, but any forum.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

Hey, Endie.

How about you stop believing what he says? It makes you look like a loon.

The guy is completely delusional. He honestly believes he was banned over posting 3 times in a row.

Come on. Really? Really?

In all fairness thats true.


And thats plain nasty. Either I am in the position of the moron then I'm pissed off I can't defend my moronic ways, or I want to get my kick in and can't join in on the fun. The second thing is very wrong, though, and personally I'm glad I'm not tempted by that opportunity to kick somebody when he is defenseless.

If Schild says I mixed the Den up with Cold Storage I can believe that, after a while it all flows together in my mind.

What's Cold Storage ?

I'm not entirely sure, it might have been Waterthread or Slow News Day?

Wasn't that The Basement ?  Or was that Lum ?

I'm very confused today.  I need Signe to explain things to me.

Yes, because everyone loved to mock or just piss&shit on him for free. THAT made so many thread about him. Most of the times it wasn't Geldon to turn the threads Geldon-wise. It was everyone else. Not always (hey..) but so often.

In those situatiions, do you ban the 1 guy or just give him the website and ban the other 103 ?

 :uhrr:

Oh ffs read what I said the first time I mentioned it: that there are no doubt two sides to every story.  But he's said something quite specific there, which I, initially, have no particular reason to disbelieve, and all of your posts so far on the topic have just boiled down to either "you're stupid for disagreeing with me" (how does "How about you stop believing what he says? It makes you look like a loon" help?) or "I am a really nice guy who doesn't really ban people."  If Rasix says this is all entirely made up by Geldon and he never said anything that could be construed as such an invitation, then at best we have two people saying opposite things.  That usually means both are a bit right and a bit wrong.

And what did he get banned for?  Honestly, I just don't know.  And since there are a bunch of other sane, rational posters here who feel much the same way (some of whom chose not to post on this board about it, presumably for fear of getting what I'm getting over it: a mild gang-banging by the green and blue superfriends), then it's not just me being obtuse or dim.

Actually, it's more likely that someone's lying.  If they're taking opposite tacks.  You know, Black/White.  It's not really a matter of perspective...

If they're just mildly disagreeing sure.  But opposite ?  Someone's talking pish.

Or something...

I'll shut up...

Honest.

It would be a start to admit that sometimes f13 likes to have a gimp to toy with. Pulp Fiction style, multiplied by 103 (as per Ironwood's figures).

Hate to pile on late here, but F13 has never been, nor should it ever be considered a democracy. This is SCHILD'S PLAYGROUND, and we all just happen to be kids he hasn't kicked off of it yet. He pays for it (well he did until the donations thing) and he runs it. Just like Waterthread was Joe's playground and LTM was Lum's playground before that, it's in no way a democracy and never has been. It should never even be considered that. The only way to make a democracy of an Internet community is to have everyone pay for it in equal share.

And then it'll go crashing down into flames over some shitty geek drama.

Like it or not, it's up to schild ultimately who stays and who goes. As for Geldon or anyone else banned, as someone who has been privy to these type of discussions before, generally speaking it isn't one post or 5 posts or 100 posts. It's a long-term pattern of fucktardery that gets someone banned. Geldon's problems go back years and these mods (and myself and other posters on this board) have put up with them for years. Same with Hyu/BigBlack/Telemediocrity.

This ain't a democracy and no one is forcing anyone to be here.

Haemish, read the thread before picking out one post.  Schild was the one saying it was a democracy.  All I did was disagree with him, and largely agree with you.

No, he said it was MOSTLY a democracy. And he got to pick who had a vote. Which means it really isn't a democracy.

And it really doesn't matter what he said, there are no democracies on the Internet when there's only one person paying the bills and one person who has the ultimate power of the banstick. There just isn't. Thinking anything else is naive.

If it's any consolation, were I still an f13 owner, or mod, or writer or whatever, I'd have banned Geldon, Hyu and Bruce too. Shit, I led many charges to get Bruce banned and was overruled by schild and Shockeye a number of times.

This is it. Entirely.

The same thing would happen to any other poster who was so annoying that nearly every thread in which they participated became a two sided conversation- them against everyone else who posts. Bruce was famous for it, and it is why he is no longer welcome here. Dash does it in Politics; if it happens anywhere besides there he will be gone too.

That sounds like an  :awesome_for_real: plan and should be implemented immediately.

When I said democracy, I specifically meant that the mods make a lot of the rules and decide on a lot of the bannings. And as executive, I happen to have veto or approval power. I didn't actually mean mods are voted by the people for the people. As in, I give a lot of power to the chosen volunteers.

But whatever, bad term to use.

Point is, Ironwood nailed it. Ban a hundred people or ban 1 that probably should've been banned from day 1.

Edit: Also, Geldon is just completely mad. Like a loon. He's just making shit up on his blog.


Nope, that's Waterthread and #hate.


Almost believable, until he said Rasix was posting on the official Hellgate boards. Huh? Rasix on official boards? That's a new level of creepy. The only way I can see that is if Rasix were on the sauce.


No, this particular decision came directly from the mods. The fact a bunch of other people wanted the same thing was... not so highly coincidental.


Pretty sure Cheddar wasn't a supporter. More just likes to gamble. Also, he wanted you to shut the fuck up.

Psychos disrupt communities. Psychos need to be purged. Thankfully, on the internet, there is a euthanasia ban button.

It's what I would have done, for sure.

There also seems to be something unhealthy about Geldon spending as much time as he did attempting to contribute to a message board where most of his posts were greeted with responses about how much people hated him.  There's also the fact that after the banning he wrote a blog post stating that he wants to come back.  And his responses to his own blog shows evidence that he's still reading F13.

Isn't it time to let go, Geldon?

You know very little about Geldon. ^_^

You're an easy one to help.  (http://www.sheknows.com/graphics/emoticons/hosed.gif)

Also, he's been lurking on the irc as "Gets". For like a week. And when I called him out he played stupid.

Where Things Go To Die.
Cold Storage.
Den of Iniquity.

Those are the 3 places threads go from Waterthread/f13.

In the former 2, WTGTD and Cold Storage were only locked threads and no one responded.

Originally, the Den was a place terrible threads went but people were allowed to post. Then we removed all rights. And then we opened up the right for about 20-30 long standing members to make hideous fun of the... jackhobs that ended up there.

Also, all this talk of an innermost circle. Man you all are just conspiracy theorists. The rabbit hole is far, far deeper. Get more foil.

Edit: Also, I'm a very open person. Ask anyone who's talked to me on AIM or IRC. You see all that shit under my profile, it's very easy to contact me and I'm often very open to suggestion about f13. In fact, I even contact a lot of people directly. Innermost circle, my ass.

Edit 2: Fuck, I keep forgetting to log into IRC. Damnit.

Talk about a role he was meant to play.... :rimshot:

This is what just kills me about Schild. He's actually a super cool admin, with a ton of patience, and a gentle touch. When I started posting here, he sent me a few PMs telling me to cool it down a bit, since I was getting ragged on some posts. His tone was amicable and understanding, and the issue was resolved quite quickly. I'm sure he extended the same to Geldon various times till he felt it was a lost cause.

That said, on all other things not related to f13 administration, Schild is a right nut job that needs therapy. Especially regarding movies.
 :grin:

Can't blame me for mixing them up in my mind. But thanks for explaining, schild. I still find it wrong to attack people not able to defend themself, on a principal level. Not being among the 20-30 long standing members doesn't bother me, because I'm not a funny one-liner guy anyway. :)

If it keeps at that, I can't always say because I don't see the exact point when a thread was denned because of the time zone differences. Maybe always writing a short message in the thread at the exact point it was denned along with the denning would help there?

Look, there is a particular private forum where a lot of decisions get fielded before being put into action.

Ironically, those same people were given den posting permission. But it's not some inner-most clique. There isn't a forum for any "inner-most clique." In fact, those that talk to me a few times a week have a better chance of getting somewhere. Steam, AIM, MSN, IRC, etc. You want to get to know me. That's how.

The inner most circle stuff isn't my idea, even if there was such a thing I wouldn't give a crap about that.

As I already wrote in this very thread.

Really, wrong target for that rant. The only thing I care about in this particular matter is to see if a dig a member made against another one happened in the open forum and the other one just didn't bother to answer, or if it happened in the den and the other one couldn't answer (making the one doing it in the den a coward in my eyes which I would file away for later references).

Geldon got banned?





The great thing about this thread is ALL the Geldon-ness is confined to it, while the rest of the forums run free.

I was wondering where all the tardery had gone. Now I've seen this thread, and I wonder no more.

What? According to Endie and falconeer no one else supports these bans. Recant!

He's not even here and there is STILL shit circling around him.  Fuck.

I'm neutral on the ban, it seems rude to be a guest here and object to it, but as the same time I can't pretend he hasn't provided me with some laughs (mostly at his expense).

This is just the sort of depressing bullshit that makes people avoid standing up to the groupthink.  Snide, not even vaguely funny, and transparently born of a desire to fit in.

I didn't say nobody supported banning Geldon, nor did Falconeer say anything of the sort.  But it's fine for you to lie and say otherwise, to twist words, to be snide.  And people chuckle along and go "hahaha look at them standing up for someone unpopular hay I'll pile on too."  As someone said in a PM to me about it it's depressingly typical human behaviour, because it's typical animal behaviour: bully and attack the few, or the omega, or the odd one out, and maybe you'll gain standing in the hierarchy or ensure your own position.  Well you know, it's actually kinda liberating to say "no, I don't give a fuck about fitting in.  I'd rather stand up for the oddball."

I'll bet a good half of you were nerds or geeks at school.  I'll bet a ton of you were picked on, mocked or bullied.  Excluded because you were a bit fat, or a bit wheezy and bad at sports, a bit socially awkward or just more comfortable in games or books than around others.  Well, gee, you've done great now: now you get to pick on others!  Nice work.

I applaud standing up for the little guy.  I was once that gangly little kid picked on by others so I get it.  It's great of you.

The problem is, Geldon was a HUGE distraction to anything productive.  Go back into any thread he participated in.  He couldn't stop himself nor could regular posters curb the behavior.  He was massively pissing people off.  Now other people are upset the first group were pissed off and someone did something about it.  He's not even here anymore and it's causing a distraction.  Geezus, it's not healthy.  Let him go for all our sakes.

:roll:  That is not the situation here and you know it.  But please, continue to get all worked up over this.

Should we sticky this perhaps or frontpage (lol, there's a frontpage?)  it to get all of the "OMG, GELDON WAS BANNED? WTF" posts out of the way?  The Rip Van Winkle reopening of wounds that we cauterized is getting bothersome.

Hey, something for those of you late to the show:  Hyu was banned.  Again!  He was BigBlack in case you didn't figure it out.

Endie, what you're getting is a reaction to the suggestion that it was a small minority of people who disliked Geldon.  Lamaros was being hyperbolic, but I think he's correct that you're misrepresenting the situation.

Now you're saying that even if a majority say they support the Geldon-banning, it's only because they're pathetic losers who want to fit in with the elite minority.  Unlike the proud and brave few like you who aren't afraid to speak your mind.  Way to be a condescending snot.  Srsly.

For the record, I was never a supporter of banning Geldon, since it seemed to me like he was improving, but the ensuing blog-drama has made me rethink that position.

You do understand, after what I posted up there, that two green names expressing irritation with me disagreeing with them, and indulging in a mixture of passive aggression and open insult is hardly going to provoke a Damascene conversion and get on board your bandwagon?  I'm happy with what I've done today.  If you, also, are proud of your position and actions over this then why not just give it a break.  Or hey! Den everything after where I disagreed and then post lots of unanswerable comments!

Oh, yeah.  Vastly overgeneralized personal attacks are an absolute I WIN button.  You're right, I feel ashamed, let's bring back Geldon.

Or, possibly, Geldon is a right shit and we're better off without him fucking up threads.

Or, maybe, I'm just picking on you because I always got picked last for horse and this is my sweet, sweet revenge.

Alternatively, you could just be a prick, stirring the shit-pot with your dick because you want some attention.

So you're allowed to fling baseless insults around but nobody else is allowed to defend themselves?  Got it.

Well, this is certainly disproving my statements about the vitriol awaiting those who vary from the one true path of the groupthink.  Murdoc's post in particular makes me rethink my whole position on the value of civility.

And what baseless insults am I flinging about?  Do you mean the post that murdoc is so eloquently and forensically dismembering?  None of those were insults, for all that they seem to have hit a raw nerve in at least one person.  Personally, just to clarify, I think it's ok to be a geek, to like computers and games or to be awkward around others, especially as a kid.  I certainly don't see those as insults.

Where I'm from, this sort of thing would be construed as extremely insulting:



If by saying that everyone but you is either a big mean bully or an easily-led sheep you were trying to compliment us, then I apologize for my misunderstanding, and I thank you for your kind words.   :grin:

I'm with Endie just to be contrary. Now for my points, bolstering our position for the win: 1) you are sissy girls! 2) ha ha, sissy girls!

Your opinion may vary on the first, but I've spent a great deal of the this evening explaining my grounds for it, and while you may disagree, I'd contend that it is hardly baseless.  But since you, Schild, Samwise, Rasix and several other moderators all agree entirely about how justified the actions were and stupid I am for disagreeing with your joint opinion...

As regards the second, you've taken that well out of context.  What I described was typical animal behaviour: specifically mammalian pack behaviour.  I never had you down as a creationist who denied our animal natures.

You might want to respond to me with some consideration as to who I am. I disagree with people all the time here. (lesion's front page article, politics threads constantly, shild constantly, etc etc). I am all for standing up against the "groupthink" (incredibly articulate way of putting it, A+, suck my dick) if that is what I believe. I don't. I beleive Geldon was a fucking annoying self-obsessed dick who was only getting worse from all the attention his bullshit was generating. I'm entitled to express my position (THE BAN WAS A GOOD ONE) just as much as you are. I'm also alowed to make fun of the stupid shit you say (That if this were actually a Democracy people would be agreeign with you, not me) to amuse myself.


And I didn't say you did. I said your suggestion that your view was in any way the majority was absurd, or at the very least unsubstianted.

But it's fine for you to lie and say otherwise, to twist words; to be snide.


We agree!  :-)


So you don't actually care about Geldon as an individual with individual character.. you're just doing this as a ideological point? (yes, twise words and be snide.. I know)

Here's a thread from a month ago where I express my view on Geldon. Stacks on indeed:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=11607.0


No/Yes. Yes. No. No. No/Yes. No. No.

Anything else?

I made some typos but because you fuckers wont giv eme an edit button I just thought I'd mention it/complain.

I just ate some cheese.

We took away your edit button?

You should have an edit button.

Also I just made a highly amusing point (if I don't say so myself) about Geldon by doing what he does. I'm really funny, always right, and think this thread can only get better to more you stop talkign about things and start talkign about me.

The cheese was bad.

We need a "I'm being a cockhead" colour, because green isn't really it.

Also, you broke my flow. :(

Well, you said this:


Since almosty everything else following that was based on your little "repeat the phrase" oratorical device, I'll leave it at that.

So Samwise gets hyperbole but you choose to take it as fact? Also, ignoring everything else I (and others) have written and focusing on the petty points or insults is really doing your argument a world of good.

I was, and there were also many, many times that I was driven away due to having no social skills whatsoever and on a good day being an obnoxious asshole.  I'm better these days.

Yes.  Your grounds are that everyone but you is a loser who was picked on in school and now gets his jollies by picking on those less fortunate, or possibly just standing by fondling himself while others do.  (You, on the other hand, are a moral paragon who was picked on in school but has emerged from the experience a better person rather than as a sociopathic jackal.)

Again, I apologize for misconstruing all that as an insult.  I'm sure the other jackals also appreciate your insights.

You said something untrue.  I corrected you.  You now say "oh I was joking didn't you see the green what a kidder i am you're dumb for not seeing the green".  And you wonder why I don't rush to answer you in detail?

You woodcocked, with a post that boiled down to "Geldon wasn't very likeable", which I agree with; a snide pop based on what we can most charitably call a mis-rememberance; a sideswipe that you yourself half admitted was easily seen as a rhetorical device, and the line "No/Yes. Yes. No. No. No/Yes. No. No."  Again, are you surprised that I didn't see much there that made me think "he's trying to find common ground: a compromise that will let us move on here.  let me see what I can do to help with this noble endeavour"?

Really, that one isn't going to fly.  i said, to paraphrase: "people sucked to a lot of us what the fuck are we doing just doing the same to someone else?"  Or, to steal someone else's line "do to others what you'd want them to do for us."  How often are you going to try and twist me saying that into "ha ha you all suck i am teh best"?

Endie, I hear ya, but you really shouldn't look at this event as isolated. When someone can't stop themselves from talking about themselves, can't stop making contrarian statements just to start arguments (they call them "debates" but there's nothing two-sided about it) and can't stop antics that compel all subjects to be about them, they end up pissing off a lot of actual and passive posters. And they do so in a way that compels people to tell them to stop, in public, which only gives that person the attention they are so craving.

It's definitely a personality thing. And it has, quite literally, been going on for years. Here and elsewhere. He has not changed at all, even while some people around him do.

This happening over time (as it did here) only ends up being a cancer in a community that is otherwise trying to have some good discussions, because people just get more pissed that one persons antics keep getting in the way.

Actually, I think he perpetuates that he believes this just so people continue to talk about him. I don't think it's delusion though. I truly think it's absolute narcissism, an order of magnitude beyond anyone else I know in this world, real and virtual.

PS. If there is a private forum for elites, great! The people who run this place need a tavern.

Participating in an endless series of rebuttals, just to have the last word on the internet, does surely mark you as a master of social skills.

They banned Geldon. They didn't shoot your dog. You should be celebrating. Or perhaps observing a quiet moment of happy contemplation.

People really need green text? I never use it. I prefer to leave a little doubt for people to trip over.

You suggest that we are gang-banging vengeful nerds (fat and bad at sports, with no social skills, nerds, no less) because we dislike someone. That you are reasonable Jesus-walks-again Endie because you defend them.

You're discussing this as if Geldon was not an individual entity. He is. A fucking annoying one that me and many others are happy to see gone.

What is the fucking problem here? That you think you're justified in your position because:

a) This was described flippantly as a being somewhat 'democratic' but demonstrably isn't.
b) That you are the reasonable minority standing up for all that is good and holy.

Never mind the fact you're contradicting yourself in all this, never mind the fact that you've made the most personaly offensive remarks out of everyone so far, never mind the fact that you know this isn't a democracy, know that generaly speaking schild and the other mods are nice people, you seem to think you have a reasonably view based on the fact that ...

Well?

There is no "common ground" here. You're just being a dick for the sake of it, making no attempt to discuss the relevant points and resorting to misrepresentation as argument (I'm doing to to amuse and mock) in order to stretch this farce out longer.

This thread has entered a weird place.  I agree with lamaros and am also quite entertained by him.

Any mom that lets their 31 year old son live in their house is either as deranged as the son. OR LOVES HIM WAY TOO MUCH.

Let's just keep it that simple. The guy is broken. Period.

Uh, I called you a prick.  Yes, my civility went right out the door with that one.  Woo-hoo.


The part where you called half of us fat, wheezy, unathletic, awkward nerds and geeks ring a bell?

Also, the name is Murgos.  Murdoc is the other bloke.

You're happy with becoming Geldon V.3?  With being the guy who argues the unpopular position for no other reason than because it's the unpopular position and it gets him attention?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqPzSo5rpkU

Wait... what?

I dismembered what where?

edit: Oh Good, Murgos solved my confusion. Congrats.

This thread really needs to stop. Watching people get into a shit storm over a justifiable banning (for teh Ch1ldren!1!!) and someone objecting to it (because I guess Endie objects to bans that haven't been voted on or something) was kind of funny at first but really it's just getting worrying now. I'd love to be able to say some shit with Ironwood's typical pithiness but instead I'll just settle for a heartfelt plea for everyone to stop being jackasses.

Seriously, this thread turned to garbage. I see differing opinions and no amount of arguing is going to change those individual opinions. Time to move back to the academic discussion of 'jackhob'.  ;D

Hackjob would be a job done by a hack, one assume. So a jackhob would be one who is a professional hack and dyslexic to boot?

This thread is fucking stupid.  I'm going to pretend I didn't contribute to its stupidity.

1. Internet drama is lame.

2. Posting long posts with numbered points about said internet drama is not lame (because [3]).

3. Realising that posting said numbered-point-posts might actualy be internet drama is lame, and thus not allowed.

4. Things that are f'ing lame are more lame than things that are just lame.

5. For the record I don't like Hoax. But it's ok, because he doesn't like me and neither of us have pink names or den posting privledges - let alone access to secret forums where we can convince the oligarchy to summarily ban the other to kingdom come (or at least from these forums).

Final thought: This post is f'ing lame. It was probably written by a jackhob. A jackhob being one which causes you to  :ye_gods:

This thread is fucking stupid.  I'm going to pretend I didn't contribute to its stupidity.

I was refraining to do what Endie is doing because I know there is no point in it.
I know too well how much people love to stick to their aggressive positions, so if you (and them) can't agree on something in a matter of minutes, or a few posts, then it's over.
So I am not trying to agree on anything here, but felt like adding a few things I came up with while rethinking the whole story.

You all know that the kind of behaviour that is accepted and actually endorsed on f13 (read: being an ass, smartassing, violently flaming, calling other people names, spamming/flooding) would earn everyone of us a ban in no time anywhere else. Bear with me, I hate those boards, they are just hypocrites screening themselves behind silly rules and the fact that f13 is THAT different was the first reason why I loved it. Sure it can be tough at first, I was called names so many times here that I lost count ("village idiot" and "weathervane" are the two I reserved a special place for in my memory). But hey it's ok. I like blunt honesty cause that means I can use it too. This is the best thing about f13, you don't have to hold your fire and you don't have to be afraid of people badmouthing you behind your back. Isn't that great? I think it is.

Still. This would earn US ALL a ban in almost every other virtual public place of the world. While Geldon wouldn't get banned anywhere else than f13.
So, while I think I like the f13 ways more than I dislike them, it's statistically unfair to try and make him look like the weird one.

You can be a one-liner dick on f13 and get away with that (actually you can get some chocholate milk for that) but talk too much about videogames and such a recurring distraction is a major offense which, if not rectified, will eventually lead to a ban.

Don't get me wrong. I still like f13, can't stop liking it. I donated what I could (I wanted to do so since day one and I am happy you can now, and I'll do it again in the future). But there's something wrong with some of US, not just with Geldon, if we can't get along about fucking videogames with someone who is civile, polite and like it or not has things to say about it.

I didn't want to post again in this topic because I made my point earlier: I feel it was unfair and unjustified. Simple and dry.
Now I probably felt like posting again because you want to make it sound like it's SO OBVIOUS why he deserved it. Well, I want to upgrade my previous point then: Not only I feel that the ban was unfair and unjustified. Now I feel that we are ALL nutcases and the only OBVIOUS thing is that he got banned because he's a different nutcase, the less cool kind, than the majority of us.

Say all you want but I am convinced that if Geldon had been even slightly more of an asshole and had coloured his posts with a few cursewords (bonus points for using caps or making up creative ones) against random users, instead of always being so boringly civil, he would be still here and maybe greeted as a cool kiddo among us professional asses.

Falconeer, to be fair, your opinion of Geldon means nothing, solely because you haven't dealt with him for 4 years.

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No way dude. It's quite entertaining. Just read more and post less. See the EVE devs play with BoB for more hilarious internet drama. It comes to a climax with naked pictures of a guy and his wife (both incredibly disgusting).  :awesome_for_real:

I had decided I wouldn't be reasonable about this topic as other have already been reasonable about it and it succeeded in going nowhere. But some thing piss me off. This is one of them:


I cannot speak for everyone here, but I can speak for myself. I am more than willing to reconsider my position no matter how strident I might come across at first. To insinuate that everyone who happens to be diagreeing with you and Endie on this topic is incapable of doing so is just as insulting as suggesting they are all fat social rejects. You are not the paragons of virtue, nor are you the finest open-minded debaters.

If you want to put forward a reasonable position, and stop with this:


Rubbish then do so. But hiding behind a "you guys aren't willing to change your minds no matter what, so I'll just assert myself as being correct without actually giving reasons for being so" excuse is offensive and lazy, and the kind of thing that makes people respond with insults and jokes to begin with. If you want to have this discussion in a sensible way, be sensible about it. You're not changing anyone's mind when you state your position over and over and don't respond to the criticisms and reasoning of other.


This is very incorrect. I know many places where Geldon would get banned far far quicker than here (FOUR YEARS?!).

Geldon seems to have become more an idea for you than a person. I suggest you take a few steps back and work out what your problem here really is. Is it that Geldon was banned or that anyone was banned? Are you (like some others) confusing this issue with the existance of said secret boards, den posting rights, and some fear of the ruling oligarchy? If you have something to say about these things then say them explicitly. Don't hide behind "banning Geldon is bad because he's just like us yet polite". This isn't a board that champions being polite. It champions being opiniated, honest, and bullshit free.


So you don't want to post on the topic again, certainly don't want to respond to all the posts about why he was banned. Instead of engaging with that justification you just decide to throw out some repitition of your earlier point. But you don't want to post on the topic.

And you wonder why people decide to just take the piss instead of talk to you seriously?


So did you read all the reasons why he was banned? I don't seem to remember "posts a lot and is civil" being exactly how it was phrased.

For fucks sake.


Sadly it seems most of the drama around here is far more circular and less dramatic.

Seems to me that lamaros just illustrated all of the main points that Falconeer was making about your "average" F13 poster. I can only assume he did it on purpose for his own ironic reasons.

Here's another one you fucking idiot.

My $0.02:

I don't have a problem with secret forums and an inner circle, in principle. However, knowing that such things exist makes me feel left out. Its not even an entitlement thing, as I've been posting here for like...6 months or something. It's just the feeling that decisions are being made, behind your back, that could end your posting here.

Granted, I'm giving the mods the benefit of the doubt and assuming Geldon was PM'd to quit being such a jackhob; he failed to do so, thus, b&. And I can accept that. Hell, if he had just disappeared one day and I found out a week later, "Hey its been quiet, where'd Geld?" "Oh shi- lurk moar noob, he got b& a while ago!" it would be no big deal. But what happened was Cheddar (who has a pink name but isn't a staff member [right?]) made a smartass comment and suddenly someone's gone; for what looked like something mundane, especially given geld's track record. This makes me get all  :tinfoil: and the talk of seekret boards doesn't help.

So I guess what I'd prefer is mod action to be swift (schild said the b& was 1 month in the works...why not ban him then? Or wait til he did something ban worthy?) or more stealthy (just wait for the 30m period when he logs off  :awesome_for_real: ). It was poorly handled, imo. I'm not going to argue with him deserving the ban or not.

Bruce. 
Is that you?

It was done a month later because it was Rasix's Christmas Gift.

BigBlack     Rasix opens present #2     Ban avoidance
geldonyetich2     Rasix's Christmas gift     Clean up.

From the ban list.

If Endie hates how Geldon was treated, he evidently wasn't around for that time when there was an actual poll thread, with a banning as first prize  :awesome_for_real:  His head would have likely assploded.

If we must live in a dictatorship, at the very least it should entertain us.  

:uhrr: I'm so confused. Why is #2 above #1? There's a ban list? Also, nice chart. (As an aside, BigBlack was banned in a way I find acceptable; no snide remark right before from one of the Rainbow Elite*, logical reason provided, etc.)


*G(r)ay Rights! Fight the power!

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ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!

My only beef is that since we had two of them, we should have had a Bartertown-style "two men enter, one man leaves" post-off between them to see who got axed, except this time there would be two retards in the Thunderdome.

Fuck.  Ab's right. 

Is it too late to invite them back and make that happen?

I wish someone had suggested a thunderdome death match.

Maybe we could do that with everyone.  Pick names out of a hat and the loser gets a 3 day ban or sommat.  I think Rasix and Lesion should fight to see who gets to be in charge! (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/boese/u045.gif)

This is the greatest idea.  Ever.  Perhaps some sort of post off between the two?

Thats right, I said a post off.

(http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/zoolander2.jpg)



Also, I had absolutely positively NOTHING to do with the banning.  If I had realized my tiny joke ("Rasix, cleanup isle 3!!!") was going to spawn pages of tinfoil hats and gnashing of teeth I would have dropped it.  Personally, I think a 2 post limit a day woulda solved the problem.  But again, I am a no one.  

My money is on the vampire in the middle.

DO NOT PRESUME TO DOUBT CAPTAIN IRONY!!1!11

Lamaros I told you elsewhere already but you are a true joke. You are typical forum trash.
Of course he SirBruces, he does that a lot. Check his past debates in other thread too, he would die for the last word and he can go as far as SirBrucing to win it.

I know that losing the debating county finals in high school still burns but you shouldn't inflict that on others around here. Here, you can get this trophy. Now please just shut the fuck up, stop clicking the quote button, shove the "paragon" word up your ass (you lost the spelling bee one too?) and enjoy your geldon-free world.
The ban stands unfair though, especially when we are out of a geldon but I still have to endure you.

And finally: learn to read. Cause you can get my win because I am all up for giving children something to be happy about, but you won't go that far in your craft just twisting, manipulating and decontextualizing things other people say. Unless your craft is politics, of course. Learn to read.

That said, prove me right and get your last word with something clever about me for the acceptance speech.

I failed to provide you with a picture of me naked, granted. But the climax still leaves something to be desired.

It's a fucking forum.

Internet.

The thread serves only to highlight the sense in the decision.

Sorry.

In the good old days this thread would now have about 50% grief (http://www.fearofflyingdoctor.com/images/grief.2.gif) links. I hated grief (http://www.mooseyscountrygarden.com/cats-dogs/kitten-whte-pink-rose.jpg) links but sometimes I miss those old days.

Is the sandy vagina club going to have jackets made?

Depends if they clash with your Illuminati jackets!  ;D

Illuminati doesn't use jackets, it uses matching pinstripe suits.

DON'T TELL THEM OUR SECRET STUFF!

I KNEW that was you the other day!

(http://www.bridalwave.tv/RebelRebel.JPG)

I really despise this thread, but QFT.  Only as it applies to non moderator Illuminati.  Obviously if you have to receive complaint PM's, or den threads, or prune threads, or merge them or do any sort of clean up after the individuals in question, well yeah I can see how another posters mere existing could be griefing.  To the rest of you, cry more ffs, just skip over their posts.

Was something I was going to post...        :uhrr:

But really, two bans?  Plus DV, Bruce and ???  So what ten bans or less?  Who cares.  Boring non event.

***

One more thing, if Dash turns out to be Geldon taking advantage of the no moderator eyes in Politics rule, well we're all going to feel pretty stupid in the morning.

One more thing after the last thing, it is interesting to note though that the majority of the no justice no peace group are non-americans.  I forget where Endie is from but he might fuck up my point here but if he's from somewhere else.  Well go figure.

I really feel dirty every time I participate in this thread, but I can't help myself, fucking internet drama.

And there I thought we were beyond taking this seriously anymore. Really, show some consideration for our short attention spans, that was days ago!

I always knew I liked you. I lol'ed.

How is it possible to get a "mild gangbanging?"  Do you have tea during it?

Lube?

< 10 dudes?

Salsa?

Menthols?

Chicken Wings?

Barry White in the background?

Biggest guy goes first?

Midgets and a rubber glove?

The application of soft focus in the editing process?

They cuddle after?

Unban Geldon!  Unban Bruce!  Roll the SWG forum into the main MMO board!  Lift the moratorium on Trammel threads!

ATTICA!  ATTICA!  ATTICA!

It's ten in the morning and I'm posting because I haven't been to sleep yet.  BRING ON THE AWESOME!

Stop stop Im dying here!!  :rofl:

This quote should illustrate exactly how much power Pink Names have.

Everyone knows we're the secret shadowy masters of f13, hiding our immense power behind a veil of  :uhrr:!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jackhob

Boris Blank? Couldn't come up with a better name? I like the blacktionary version.

The blacktionary guy sounds like something YOU would say! 

Not a fan?

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I love them.  Great music to listen to whilst reeferising.

Geldon is alive and well and making friends on the COH forums (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=10008302&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1).

You're an interesting chap, A_P.

Isn't Kitsune one of us ?

Shouldn't he know better ?

I think the thread would have gone the same way regardless who he was talking to.

Having just read the entirety of it, I agree.

It also quite clearly highlights what a complete asshole the man is and how much of a douche he can be with an Edit button.

He really was as stupid bastard and I'm Glad he's gone.


I got an enormous chuckle out of this quote though :

Responding to Geldon :  "2) You are trying to control the direction of the thread by quoting historical 'luminaries' to make the point that 'criticism is bad'. If all you want is for people to tell you what a great job you did, hang it on your mom's fridge."


Lol.

You must read fast. Or maybe the popcorn slows me down.  :popcorn:

I read fast.  Actually, very fast.

It helps that Geldon was mostly saying the same shite over and over and that there was hardly a single post by him that didn't have 'Edited By Geldon On...' at the end.

He also gets the boot into f13 there.  What a fucking tool.

"I actually had my edit button taken away from me on one board because people thought I stealth edited things. I don't stealth edit, I just like to clean up my messages after I post them to read better. I'm not trying to evade responsibility by doing that. Of course, the moderators of that board were total jerks that would get banned on any other board, but that's another story."

You guys are as bad as devstalkers. :uhrr:

Of course, the bold bit is a bit he edited in. The joy of irony.

It's Arthur.  He's the Internet Detective and HE NEVER SLEEPS.

That thread was too good not to share. 

I'm still kinda sad Geldon is banned, he's got an amazing ability to provoke a reaction.  I first noticed his genius when he famously doomcast WoW, it had about 4 million subs at the time, that was a brilliant thread (sadly lost when Grimwell's forum closed).

I like watching car wrecks as much as anyone, but I don't want one careening through my house.

That thread is full of :awesome_for_real:.  Or maybe it's  :uhrr:.  I can't tell.

Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 09:23 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 09:30 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 09:35 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:15 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:07 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:13 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:22 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:38 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:44 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 10:49 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 11:14 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 11:33 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/13/08 11:43 PM)
Edited by Geldon (01/14/08 12:19 AM)

...and that's less than halfway down the thread.

 :dead_horse:

:uhrr:  :ye_gods:

If it weren't so long, I'd use it as a sig.

The f13 groupthink is so powerful that it infects people who have never been here!


 :oh_i_see:

They are all alts of ours.  Just you watch.

Nice find AP, even if it gave me a pounding headache.


So true. But since his mom tells him he is a special snowflake, he never fucking learns.


Maybe schild or Trippy could loan the CoH folks their banhammer.



The best part of the whole thing? HE ISN'T OUR PROBLEM ANY MORE. We can point and laugh and not have to read his insane rantings.

GL, CoH Community Manager. Ban now, laugh later. You will thank me.

I counted ten out of his first fifteen posts had been edited.  It's almost fun.  Too grindy though.

Edit (because I love the irony):
I saw that argument somehwere once.  Can anyone help me here?

God, what a wanker.

Hah. If the CoH mods banned Geldon for being Geldon, there are a whole raft of people they'd have to ban first. The CoH board community has its own pantheon of forum-wankery specialists.

WAP told me to read this thread. I've wasted an hour of my life, I'll never get it back and the worst thing? It was over Geldon.

By the way, Secret Society tinfoil conspiracies for the win! That made me laugh considering my recent posts to our "seekrit ban forum", boy would they be upset.

That CoH thread is so fucking awesome, in that it shows Geldon's knobgobblery to be a fact, and having nothing to do with F13.

I wonder what it's like to be a walking, talking Epic Fail? :awesome_for_real:

If anyone wants to get an aneurysm, check out his blog post about the CoH thread, and take a look at the first comment he added.

Oh my god.

I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or kick a puppy.

That CoH thread is brillant.  I may have to sue Kitsuane for avatar infringement though.  

He's still crying about edit buttons? Epic Lawls.

Even more, he thinks his ideas get shot to shit because of people wanting to promote their pet features...not because his ideas are actually utter garbage?  :drill:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7168605864153569088&postID=7855178540336550571

There's a direct link to that comment.

"I play that adolescent game: I attack people, not issues." Should be the subtitle for the politics forum!  :awesome_for_real:

I like the part in the CoH thread where he insists that a sequel is the same game as the original.  Yeah, he's just too brilliant for the rest of us to understand.

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Remember that South Park where the ass-faced people short-circuited Cartman's funny fuse, and he could never find anything funny again?  I'm so there.  I can't even...muster a clever remark at all for this.

Can we all just take a vow not to respond to his blogs and encourage him more?

Truly, he is the greatest mind of our time.  

Historians will refer to the early 21st century as "The Gelded Age."


I'm pretty sure that if he wasn't blogging he'd be working on becoming the next Unabomber.

Probably not.  At least this way though, his retardation is contained to one thread and one only has to view it when one wants to.  Besides, the CoH thread is a monument to the fact that there's a whole Internet out there to encourage Geldon in his delusions of genius (ironically by telling him what an idiot he is).

I mean not leaving comments ON his blog.  It only makes him more self-righteous.

Oh, that I totally agree with.

Or continue posting about him on an 11 page thread?

The SWG threads go on endlessly...

"its not written anywhere, but if you don't support the idea, simply not posting in the thread would cause the rest of us to stop responding to it, then it could die

Oh, and yes, I do see the irony in posting to tell you to stop posting. "

NCsoft doesn't need our help -- their mods read literally every post -- and they do ban for "bad" behavior but not before giving a warning first.

And wow, that thread over there is epic in its Geldon'ness. I love how Kitsune caught him intentionally stealth editing his posts.

Edit: I

The Geldon goes ever on and on
    Down from the forum where it began.
Now far ahead the Geldon has gone,
    And we must stalk, if we can,
Pursuing it with  :awesome_for_real: quotes,
    Until it joins a more tolerant site
With many twats and blown goats.
    And whither then? Just utter shite.

Well if he's after a more tolerant site, I thought these guys let him off lightly (http://forums.games.bg/viewtopic.php?t=116837).

That's just mean! You're teasing those of us who can't read that.

Hey, I finally learned the Belgian for 'Fucktard'.

Repetition does work !

Someone buy Geldon a WoW account - I want to see him vs the WoW boards.

Uh, wouldn't Belgian just be French?

I think that's Bulgarian actually. Hilarious find though... Even if I can't read it.

Um, sorry, my brain seemed to be ahead of my hands. 

In deference to Geldon, however, I'm not going to edit the post.

 :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:

Edit by schild: No, but I will. OH GOD I SLAY ME.

And now the truth comes out. Ironwood is one of Schild's gimmick accounts.

Then who's Tebonas ?

 :ye_gods:

A former gimmick account that won his FREEDOM!

Lets be serious for a moment here. We are all figments of schilds imagination. Even those of you who think they aren't. Especially those. There is SO much self-hatred  in the creation of Geldon, its like an externalization of all that Wii rage.

You cannot be a figment of a figment....  :awesome_for_real:

I can because I won my freedom in a long and perilous quest. For the true love of a woman. Just like in Buffy. But freedom beats a soul every day of the week. Except on Sunday. Souls are good to have in church.

I think long strings of non-sequiturs are truly the bee's knees. Well played, sir.  :drill:

Might have gotten the %Austrian_Ironwood_Clone% script mixed up with the new %Signe_2_Beta% there for a moment. Hey, even schilds not perfect!  :awesome_for_real:

Belgian?  That is obviously cyrillic text.  Also, Poirot spoke French.

Because of all the chocolate Belgians eat, it makes many of them rather Phlegmish.  (http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/images/smilies/pyth.gif)

Guys, I admitted that wasn't what I meant to write.  

Schild has taken control !!

Don't trust what you read in this frigging thread !

Wow. I wonder what color the sky is in his world?

 
EDITED TO ADD  :uhrr:
He is now trolling us through his blog, obviously. He knows he says outrageous and patently untrue things there it will eventually make it back here, where he can read everyone's reactions whilst furiously masturbating.

Anyone know a way to subliminally suggest he sterilize himself before he passes on his misbegotten genes?

Tell him not to do it.

Is this a legitimate danger?  Don't mail-order brides have at least a cursory familiarity with English?

The sky is blue. But, I would like it better if it were colored <edit this in later>. And not just at dusk, but all the time. During the day. Oh and also at night.

I'd appreciate it if everyone reading this would just accept it and not make up any reasons why my idea is  :uhrr:. I'll be back in a few seconds to see if anyone's replied. I like having conversations on the internet, especially when I can go back and change what I've posted after people reply to me. I'm hoping schild will give me back my edit button. And my posting priveleges. <edit out later>Fascist</edit out later>.

Do you really want to take any chances?

Also, well played, Hutch. I am assuming your found his sekrit stash of retard post templates on his blog somewhere.

WHO COMMENTS ON THEIR OWN POSTS ON THEIR OWN BLOG? I just don't get that. Doesn't Blogger have an Edit Post button?  :grin:

Ha! The joke's on you! He paid me to write those templates!

Also, he has a blog?  :ye_gods:

Blogspot, having received word on Geldon's activities, has also taken away his edit button.  Apparently.

I can read this!

Touche.  Scorched-earth it is.

Actually, I have (one of the few times I got comments). But it was only because I hate having "UPDATED" in the middle of the blog post, almost like someone published their posts before any editing. Or edited their posts after they realized it was retardation of the most  :awesome_for_real: kind.

As for Geldon being too smart for us, I feel so ashamed. My dirty little secret is out. I am ashamed to admit that I am not smart enough to understand Geldon's posts. And if his posts are too smart for me, I cling to my stupidity with pride.

EDIT: It was also to respond to a question one of the commenters left, not commenting on my own post. See, I really am stupid.

You're too glib, Haemish. 

I should wear a tophat.

 :awesome_for_real:

There are more posts about Geldon since Jan 11 than he made in an entire day here.

You people are sad.

In all seriousness, you're feeding the troll. And worse, he can't even troll!

Au contraire. We are having fun amongst ourselves. In the wake of the departure of a friend or loved one, there is bound to be some sort of emotional expression by those left behind.

In this case, we're talking about neither a friend nor a loved one, but the effect is the same. Something familiar is gone, and we will eventually fill in the hole and put it behind us.  :heartbreak:

He's Geldon. He's not SWG. We will stop talking about him without any drastic measures by the admins.

In the meantime, all this feedback looping means that his blog is finally getting hits from someone besides spiders, crawlers, and his mother.



(this post has been stealth edited, but I won't say why).

Wha... edits?  BURN HIM!  BURN!   :mob: :mob: :mob:

That's not a stealth/ninja edit cause we can see the edit timestamp.

When I type something really wrong, I usually cross it out and put the right stuff next to it so people don't shout at me.  I am deathly afraid of being shouted at.  Seriously.  DEATHLY.

My solution is to click BACK instead of SUBMIT.  I do this for one out of every three posts, I estimate.  Communication via internet forum makes me seem really, really smart because I have enormous amounts of time to reconsider whatever I am putting forward.

So... you're NOT really, really smart?

Yeah. It's also not a stealth edit because I explicitly declared that I had made an edit.  :drill:

I need to write something on my blog to piss all of you off. Maybe I'll insult your mothers or something.

DON"T BE FRIGHTENED, SIGNE!

(http://www.pugvillage.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_hides.gif)

I broke Signe.

:sad_red_panda:

Major derail incoming...


At what point did this thread stop being about jackhobs or the Terracotta Army? I started scrolling back and all I can find is shit about Geldon. People are even talking about Geldon in the Burning Region chat. Fuck! I derailed myself. Now, I'm talking about Geldon.

Anyways, Terracotta Army is awesome, for real.

(http://www.wayfaring.info/images/qin_terra_cotta_army.jpg)

Back on track.

Yesterday night in EVE Geldon was lurking the f13 channel spying us on our enemy account.
Then suddenly, while some of us were sieged into the station, he did something wrong and Concord (NPC Police) exploded him.

In local chat, while us and the guild we are at war with were trying to attach this xaana (obviously Geldon's character) and his embarassingly poor superspy skills to each other, and he was having a hard time trying to hide the embarassment for the fumblesque explosion and disguise himself as not-Geldon, I clearly heard him state that all our bases are belong to him. It was quick though, as it got edited before I could take a screenshot.

Are you sure Xaana is Geldon? Xaana has been hanging out in the F13 channel and never saying a word for as long as I can remember.

Re-read his post. Especially the end. You'll get the joke then.

I still don't get it. I'm just dumb I guess. :)

SIGNE! SPEAK TO ME!  DON"T BE DEAD! :cry:

Xaana is STILL around? :drill:

(http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/images/smilies/infinity.gif)

Things just don't make sense anymore, in this post-1/11 world.

Oh fucking hell. :cthulu:

Oh, that was good.

Le comédie.

OMG he spoke french...*faint*

I have nothing against the French. I don't even consider them cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

(insert Beret comment here)

My macroeconomics teacher wore a beret.

I love France.  I've spent a good portion of my life there on month-long holidays (which, sadly, become shorter when employment strikes).  The actual French people themselves are a mixed bag: I find Bretons, Provencal and other regional communities great, friendly and patient with foreigners who try to speak their language.  French people from Paris, however, are (as a very sweeping generalisation) second only to the Hungarians in terms of unfriendlness and wilful unwillingness to understand any but the best pronounced French (and my French is poor).

The great thing about being Scottish is this conversation, which happens everywhere (just with the French person speaking proper French):

Damnable Frenchie: "Vous êtes anglais.  Hmph."
Scot: "Mais non, je suis écossais."
DF: "Écossaise? Pourquoi n'avez-vous pas dit avant?  J'aime beaucoup les écossais.  Baisez vous ma fille! Au secours!  C'est les Allemands!  Sauve-nous s’il vous plaît!"

I like France, too.  I've always wanted Righ to take a contract for a year or so in Paris but the right thing never came up.  I haven't found people in Paris to be unfriendly at all... unless you do something stupid such as actually touch the peach you want to buy. 

I wish I was there now... being a jobless, chain smoking man whore and not feeling bad about it.

(http://www.italy.dk/mode/img-mode/armani_gere.jpg)

Are you up to snuff?  Women expect a lot since American Gigolo, you know.

My experience of France is similar to Endie's. Growing up, I was exposed mostly to people from southern France and just didn't understand the stereo type of the rude and arrogant French. Decades later, by happenstance I had to spend 4 days in Paris and boy, enlightenment came on right quick. They were, with a few exceptions, rude, unfriendly and the most self-possesed people I've ever met, including New Yorkers, Bostonians and Barcelonians. And that's saying a lot.

Hey, you're the one that called me a man whore recently. Why are you asking now?


Seriously though.. No, I'm constantly aching from something. Women have to be gentle with me.

You are a female.  Your experience of the whole world involves a lot more friendly strangers.

Bah. I bet if I went to Paris everyone would want to fuck me. Men and women alike.

I lived in Paris for 3 and a half years. It ruled. When I retire I'm buying a house in Britanny though - gorgeous place and cheap as you like.

Well,  the Scottish were on the French side during the Hundred Years War, right?

I loved Paris.  Parisians were nice enough, but my wife does speak decent French.  No one ever seemed to get put off at having to speak English when her French failed her.  Of course, we're not obnoxious, so that probably helped some.  Only rudeness I experienced were the cabbies, but most of them seemed to be immigrants that didn't speak much French or English.

Normandy was  very nice too.  The freshness of the food was amazing. 

But if I had to live anywhere in the world, it would be Paris.  I could never get tired of the sights, the art, and the food.  OHH GOD THE FOOD.  Staying 5 minutes from the "Best Falafel in Paris" didn't hurt. 

Paris was the only part of my European trip I hated.  The people were horrible, the smell was worse, and they felt putting a bidet in the room was more important than a toilet (Or putting us in a room for people renting by the hour.  Either way it soured the experience).

I visited Paris during massive striking, which significantly soured my experience.  No garbage pickups, no mail delivery, a bunch of museums closed, and most of the subways were running once an hour so if you managed to get one you were packed in with a thousand ripe-smelling Frenchmen.

I was in Paris during the Tour De France once.  Half the city was closed down.

What's with the body odor thing, anyway? I don't get it, either way. People who stench of unwashed sweat or people who slather on perfume (man or woman).

I used to work unloading trucks for a living, a good clean sweat isn't a horrid thing, assuming you have good hygiene otherwise.

No.  Without even looking it up or caring, I can tell you we were on the Scottish Side.

The Scottish did side against the reigning English monarchs during the Jacobite rebellion, though.

And against the Scottish at Bannockburn - there were more Scots in Edward's army than there were fighting alongside William Wallace.

There were in fact no Scots at all fighting alongside William Wallace at Bannockburn.

(This might be related to the fact that he had been dead the better part of a decade at the time.)

 :awesome_for_real:

Speaking of which, are there any of film treatments of Edward or Robert the Bruce? They make everyone but Wallace look like a piece of shit in Braveheart.. I've always wondered if there were more accurate depictions elsewhere.

Because everyone was a piece of shit at the time.  Always playing the other sides to try and get the best deal for themself possible.

I think part of the trouble is that happened quite some time ago and the records aren't the most stellar, making accurate interpretations quite difficult (and probably boring compared to a blockbuster movie).

I want to know more about the governor who started the whole thing.

I spent a few days in Paris a few years ago during a trip. People were nice enough to me. Especially when we went for breakfast, and Then realized that my pseudo-French was Pure Epic Fail.

I think the French/Parisians, just like most sensible people anywhere, appreciate the effort and are understanding if you're not great with the language of the area. Especially if you're not an imperious dick about it.

Last time I went to Paris was 1998.

Bunch of assholes in the city. Everyone else in the french countryside were the nicest people I'd ever met.

Still, far prefer Italy to France. For the food, the women, and the culture.

Also, Paris was dirty - like worse than New York Dirty.

Rome was dirtier when I was there. As well as Florence and Venice.

But food culture and women? Yeah, Italy still wins.

Yeah, you're right and as soon as I saw your post I realised I'd fucked up. I was originally going to post 'alongside the Bruce' but I figured the reference might be too obscure for most. Braveheart may have been a travesty of epic proportions as far as historical accuracy and bias is concerned but it did at least bring the subject matter to the popular consciousness.

Braveheart still rocks just as a heroic epic though. Despite Gibson kind of going off the deep end since, and despite it being inaccurate, it hasn't been topped.

I enjoyed Braveheart, despite the fact that almost every incident portrayed in it is fictional.  That said, I find it so poignant that I only ever watched it once, on release.

I do bridle about people romanticising Wallace and harshly criticising the Bruce.  The fact is that Wallace lost in the end.  Scotland needed a gritty, realistic winner, and that is what the Bruce gave us: a man with a solid grasp of guerilla warfare and the patience to grind down an enemy, as well as the ability as a general to do what was supposedly impossible at the time: take a peasant army with pretty much no heavy cavalry whatsoever and use it to defeat a numerically superior feudal host blessed with Welsh longbowmen.  It's actually typically Scottish to then spend the next seven hundred years saying "Aye, Bruce was fine enough in his way but he was no Wallace.   Ach, you can't lead a schiltrom into a pub round here without trampling all over half a dozen successful, charismatic military leaders..."

The irony being that the Bruce was of French descent!

Didn't we have this conversation when the stupid film came out?  Always with the déjà vu around here.  Anyway, is he or isn't he (whoever he is) a jackhob?

We did.  But we have the Freedom to bring the subject up again.

You'll never take our Freedom.

And whatnot.

Yea.  Like all the other times.  Let's change the subject.

Hey!  What about those Irish?

I liked that Michael Collins movie.

Yeah, what about the Irish?

You can all keep your love for all things french, if I ever get tired of my own country, Ireland will be the place to move for me. Green hills, friendly locals and good broadband connections all around. While you wade knee deep in the filth of Paris I will enjoy playing Mass Effect 7 in Connemara.

I moved to Dublin from Paris in the middle of last year. I live in one of the nice bits of Dublin (Castleknock) and I can guarantee that Dublin is 10,000% dirtier than Paris is.

Also Ireland has very green hills. Want to know why?

Because it rains all the goddamn time. The day we moved here it was a lovely June day. Temperatures around 28 or so (82 for those of you living in Myanmar, Liberia or the US). Then it rained for 63 days straight. I kid you not.

Oh and good broadband?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (sorry*)
Ireland did indeed used to have a world class domestic infrastructure. Then they stopped upgrading or maintaining it for 6 years. I have a friend who is a telecoms manager here, he's very dull to listen to because he bangs on about it constantly.





*not really

Well, thats on the other side of Ireland. I too realized that From Limerick on Eastwards the cities we stayed in were as dirty as you can find them.

But I absolutely adored Galway (for my bigger city needs) and Clifden. The best bike tour I ever had was biking directly into the ocean from the Sky road.

And I don't mind it raining when it stops during the day long enough to do my outdoor bits before retreating behind my computer again. Makes for better air during the tour.

But I have all of that here as well (apart from the ocean), so I won't be moving soon anyway. But Paris? No ten horses could get me there.

You should never live on the other side of anything.  It's very nearly almost always awful.

Too late! We all live at the other side of something.

Everything I've read suggests they were all complete bastards, including Wallace. Braveheart tarted him up quite a bit, but he was a brutal with the sacking, raping and pillaging as any English king.

EDIT: Also, Robert the Bruce was no "noble" figure. He was a right cunt as well. He killed his chief rival to the throne in a church. I don't mean had a Highlander duel, I mean he and two other cunts murdered the fucker. That's the great thing about Medieval romanticism, it's such a myth. It was as brutal as it can get.

You say that like it's a bad thing. You should move to the arid sunny hell half these jackhobs habitate.

I'd love to move to Ireland, wonder if I could land a job there now that I'm a mactard. Isn't there some rule about foreigners not being able to buy land, though? Be tough on retirement to have to pay rent forever.

Is that a real word or sound  ? If yes, what for ?

I never liked Dublin, the first time I went as a kid, it was closed.  I don't see what the big attraction is about Paris, it just struck me as being like a posh version of Bradford.

In English? No.
In Scots? Yes. (http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/getent4.php?plen=1720&startset=23086&query=ACH&fhit=ach&dregion=entry&dtext=sndn#fhit)

It's a real word in German, too, isn't it?

It's not much of a word, though, is it?  I'm not sure I'd even call it a proper word.  It's more like a spontaneous splurble.

That's because you don't appreciate the rich etymology of it.
It's root appears to be in the old Scots Gaelic word achen which means 'to punch someone violently in the face'. There are echoes of this word today in our modern English word ache which originally was a medical term used in Northern England and the Borders where having been punched in the face by a Scot was a common diagnosis. Nowadays of course in these more careless times we use 'ach' as something of a linking word, most often used North of the Border when reminiscing about a particularly fine example of punching someone in the face - by way of example I give you the verses of the immortal Robbie Burns himself:

Braw, braw lads on Yarrow-braes,
They rove amang the blooming heather;
But Yarrow braes, nor Ettrick shaws
Can match the lads o' Galla Water.

And ach tho I ne'er floored hi' but once
His heid wa' fine tae split
I punched him in the kisser
And sent him hame tae bed

So you see it's full of couth as well as being a thoroughly fascinating part of the rich canvas we call language. And you call it a 'splurgle'. For shame!

Splurble.  Splurgle is what you do after brushing your teeth.

Yes, splurble is completely different and doesn't involved mouthwash at all. 

It still doesn't seem a proper word to me.  I'm probably wrong and Righ might shout at me but it still doesn't seem a proper word... more like an expletive when one is annoyed or exasperated. 

But I also find the words, wit and wisdom of Scots to be wonderful. 

Edit:  my fingers suck at typing.

This was the best post.


Don't knock expletives.  They, like "ach", can be wonderfully powerful and expressive words, especially as intensifiers.

"Ach" in the way i used it lasts not far off a full second, with the soft "ch" (as proncounced in loch) lengthened to express resignation or weariness of the subject.

More like a sound you make. Meanings depend to much on context to name them here.

The most common usage being the translation of the english "oh".


(http://www.vgchat.com/images/n00bies/oh_rly.jpg)

Ach wirklich?

Ach ?

I agree.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Drawing_of_Armstrongtartan.png)

I'm confused by the tartan post. 

And so we have our advantage!

Wouldn't being punched by a Scot leave something more like this:

(http://www.fabricsandpapers.com/ebuttonz/ebz_product_images/thumbnail/5127%5B1%5D.jpg)

Lumberjacks were Canadian?

It would all depend on where you were, I bet.  In fairness, border clans like Armstrong were/are not tartan-types but more like the drunken bandits lurking in the bushes, from what I have read.  There are quite a few "We're a real clan, dammit" Armstrongs and then there are the ones that are more like "We started as Vikings and now have no laird... meh" and of course the "We're really English" ones.  I think most of those live around Newcastle.

Lots of Armstrongs in Ireland, too, thanks to James.

(http://www.nelsonguirado.com/media/users/nguirado/mounty.jpg)

These guys would say so.

I need to learn to use green text.

It's black and blue tartan.

I got the joke and chose to ignore it, so we both win.

Psst, I made that joke! :D