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Title: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 06:52:03 AM Japan - 12/3 through 12/9
Software. Format: [system] title this week/lifetime Quote 01./02. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 149,587 / 411,000 02./06. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 106,995 / 646,000 03./00. [NDS] Tales of Innocence (Bandai-Namco) - 104,317 / NEW 04./00. [PSP] Hot Shots Golf Portable 2 (Sony) - 87,231 / NEW 05./01. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5) - 75,609 / 370,000 06./04. [NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square-Enix) - 63,447 / 795,000 07./00. [360] Lost Odyssey (Microsoft) - 54,581 / NEW 08./00. [NDS] Powerful Pro-kun Pocket 10 (Konami) - 54,372 / NEW 09./11. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 44,705 / 476,000 10./09. [WII] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 44,677 / 148,000 Hardware. Code: Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD America - For November. This shit is pretty self-explanatory. Hardware. Quote PlayStation 2 496K PlayStation 3 466K PSP 567K Xbox 360 770K Wii 981K Nintendo DS 1.53 million Software Quote 360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 1 1.57 million WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 2 1.12 million 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 3 980K PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 4 967K WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 5 564K 360 MASS EFFECT MICROSOFT (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 6 473K PS3 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 7 444K WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 8 426K 360 HALO 3 MICROSOFT (CORP) SEP 2007 MATURE (M) 9 387K PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 10 377K Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 07:03:37 AM Wow, both versions of AC make the top 10, but no Uncharted. :\
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 07:05:57 AM Some observations.
Japan: Wii Fit doing under 500k in 10 days is pretty shocking. Shows how few mothers own the Wii in Japan. This shit will be huge in America. Not a great opening for Hot Shots 2 in Japan. Great game, normally tracks better. Professor Layton is still doing great. God bless Level-5. Mario Galaxy is a dismal failure in Japan. Though, it'll have legs. Hardware numbers, once again, prove how unimportant Japan is these days. America: Wii still selling like furbies which leads to the crap attach rate (for a new console). Tie in numbers were revealed with the Wii at 3.86 per console, which is... the same number of major Nintendo Games if you count Wii Play as .86. Particularly since everyone bought that piece of shit for a controller. Wii Sports is not counted since it was bundled in the US. The PS3 has a higher tie-in ratio than the Wii (lol) at just over 4 games. What 4 games? Who knows, Uncharted didn't even chart. XBox 360 has just under 7 tie-in ratio. Which is fantastic. But if XBLA arcade counts, this number shant be trusted (that goes for the PS3 also). Call of Duty 4 is a goddamn monster. Mario Galaxy, hot and not hot. It's fucking mario! It got beat out by a third party shooter! Playstation Family still a slowly rising gold mine. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 07:08:35 AM Hmm, 3rd parties are kicking ass. That's all I can see from this.
I guess it's a good thing. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Trippy on December 14, 2007, 07:12:58 AM Some observations. Japanese mothers aren't fat.Japan: Wii Fit doing under 500k in 10 days is pretty shocking. Shows how few mothers own the Wii in Japan. Quote This shit will be huge in America. Yes.Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Riggswolfe on December 14, 2007, 07:24:30 AM The main things I got from this:
Who cares about the Japanese? They buy stupid shit. Americans need to get over shooter sequels and try some other games out for Christ's sake. Call of Duty 4 beat Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect? Jesus. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Wolf on December 14, 2007, 07:31:53 AM That's only 10 days of Mass Effect, as it came out on the 20th. The same thing goes for Uncharted. Bioware already said they broke a million earlier this month (iirc).
btw, pretty picture on the US sales, for those who don't want to fight the quoted text - here (http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/npnovfig.jpg) edit: I want fucking EU numbers. No one knows where we're at. edit194745: I keep adding shit in this post :P Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 07:50:38 AM Americans need to get over shooter sequels and try some other games out for Christ's sake. Call of Duty 4 beat Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect? Jesus. /agree As for the Playstation franchise being a slowly rising goldmine, I suppose that's true, but any behemoth that sits around for a long time (see: Microsoft) can manage to amass money at a trickle pace. This is not acceptable in the technology field. Give me some risky ventures and some fun new technology. Fuck Sony. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: DraconianOne on December 14, 2007, 07:58:58 AM Graphs please.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 07:59:28 AM Sony doesn't have fun new technology? What?
Microsoft is the only company this gen with absolutely zero innovation. In fact they're bringing back MULTI disc games. I don't mean 2 or 3. I mean 4 discs. They don't allow hard drive downloads. The cap on XBLA is just stupid (though I think it's going to get lifted... again). The only innovation was XBox downloads. Which came a year after Sony had PS1 downloads (and PS2 ones are coming as soon as the PS2 finally dies). Also, America got over Halo really really fast. Is that not good enough? Call of Duty 4 is fucking amazing. Like as good as Valve shit. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 14, 2007, 08:21:34 AM Call of Duty 4 is fucking amazing. Like as good as Valve shit. This. And whilst CoD4 is (to quote Azazel (sorry if I butchered your name)) more an entertainment experience in SP mode, nevertheless, it's an amazing experience. CoD4 is the first game I've ever had such a strong emotional attachment to during and after the game was over. I don't think I'm alone in that statement. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 09:16:08 AM I should clarify. CoD4 looks like an amazing game. I just dislike Sony. That is all. Carry on with the previously scheduled discussion.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 09:31:22 AM Please don't say you dislike Sony because of SOE -- which has fuckall to do with the Playstation. Red headed stepchild, that is. SCE, on the other hand -- totally different story. I'd go so far as to say that they're the most impressive publisher/developer around -- by an enormous margin.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 09:32:36 AM SOE is owned by Sony Pictures. They have nothing to do with SCEA. At all.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 09:41:28 AM Please don't say you dislike Sony because of SOE -- which has fuckall to do with the Playstation. Red headed stepchild, that is. SCE, on the other hand -- totally different story. I'd go so far as to say that they're the most impressive publisher/developer around -- by an enormous margin. I dislike their hardware division. Have for many years now. Not any online or software division. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 09:43:38 AM You disliked the PS2? What?
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 09:53:27 AM You disliked the PS2? What? Irrelevant. Back to sales numbers, what's the deal with the PS3. So it's selling at about half the rate of the Wii. Is it gaining some traction because of games or because of the price drop or because of the lack of Wii on the market? I suppose it's probably all three. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Montague on December 14, 2007, 10:03:50 AM You disliked the PS2? What? Irrelevant. Back to sales numbers, what's the deal with the PS3. So it's selling at about half the rate of the Wii. Is it gaining some traction because of games or because of the price drop or because of the lack of Wii on the market? I suppose it's probably all three. What I find interesting is the PS2 is still outselling it, and with a much higher profit margin I'd bet. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 10:09:29 AM You disliked the PS2? What? Irrelevant. Back to sales numbers, what's the deal with the PS3. So it's selling at about half the rate of the Wii. Is it gaining some traction because of games or because of the price drop or because of the lack of Wii on the market? I suppose it's probably all three. I doubt it's because of the lack of Wii's. The Wii will still sell more even if there's a lack of them. Sad but true. I doubt it's attracting the same market too. I mean, at least in my own experience, I can't see that. The only people I know who own one are girls who haven't played games in the past 10 years. Not really the PS3 niche to say the least. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Murgos on December 14, 2007, 10:34:20 AM Most people I know who own a Wii bought it for their kids, not for themselves. They could care less about which modern console has the most wiz-bang they just wanted to have SOMETHING and the Wii is cheaper.
I know no one off this board who owns a PS3. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 10:43:23 AM I know one guy with a PS3, but he's a city away. Also, he only plays Madden.
Some others are finally thinking about it though, because of the price drop. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Bunk on December 14, 2007, 10:45:52 AM My $.02 on the lack of Uncharted on the Charts ( :awesome_for_real: )
The TV campaign for it blows chunks. It just does nothing to make me want to play the game. No catchy music, no cool sweeping cinematics - just a lame cutscene of Han Solo wanabe, followed by mediocre looking run through the jungle shooting stuff footage. Assassin's Creed (AC means Asheron's Call - fuck off) on the other hand had a brilliant TV campaign, and it paid off. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 10:51:04 AM I think that commercial is funny and captures the game well.
Don't tell me to fuck off please -- especially when it's because of Asheron's Call Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Riggswolfe on December 14, 2007, 11:25:21 AM I know one guy with a PS3, but he's a city away. Also, he only plays Madden. Some others are finally thinking about it though, because of the price drop. My PS3 is slowly gathering dust. However, I suspect when some of the RPGs start hitting it that will change. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 11:34:34 AM You should listen to my [friend who only plays Madden] then. He calls just about everything not Madden an RPG.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 14, 2007, 11:54:47 AM My takeaway from those charts?
Japan really doesn't matter much when compared to the US, because they really do buy different shit. The Wii version of Guitar Hero outsold the PS3 and 360 versions. Le ha. The PS2 version sold over twice the number of copies, with what 10 times the install base? Le awesome. And even with a significant set of price drops and a shortage of units in the store, the Wii is STILL selling double what the PS3 is and slightly more than the 360, when only 2 of the top 9 (not counting WiiPlay) software titles are Wii titles, one of which is Mario. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 11:56:01 AM Yes, that's what's called a FAD Haemish.
It might as well be called the Wii Sports Box. Much like the REBox of the last era. Or Smash Box. Whatever flavor you pick. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 11:56:33 AM Red Steel sucks.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 14, 2007, 11:57:40 AM :pedobear: says "Weak sauce trolls."
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 12:02:06 PM Actually, Pedobear would say something along the lines of "Haemish plays the Wii because he likes the other people that plays the Wii. Children." But that's only what pedobear would say. No one here would say anything like that.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Hoax on December 14, 2007, 12:06:20 PM I just realized that Uncharted is that Drake's Treasure Hunt game. Dude that commericial looks like dumbass, that game is supposed to be good? Rofl. Dont release a game with such a dumb title right around the time they are advertising another shitty National Treasure movie, they both got instantly filed under: sucks balls xref: Treasure. There is this .02 scene of him riding a bike blowing up a jeep, it looked so dumb. I really can't believe that game is supposed to be good, compared to the AC commercials which are jesus on a stick, not to mention the genius of the "our devs have titties" tie-in.
Uncharted: worse hero then Halo lame ads Suck. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 12:07:46 PM That game, seriously, is one of the best adventure games ever released. It's one of those "not playing it because of the media makes you part of the problem" type games. It's a masterpiece from beginning to end. But hey, if you think the ads suck, oh well, I've never even seen one. And ads don't effect my game purchasing. At all.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Hoax on December 14, 2007, 12:23:58 PM I just read the uncharted thread, I hadn't had a reason up till now to do so. Wow you guys are all hard over it. Funny stuff. For real you should somehow tell them that their marketing dept needs to be fired. I had no reason to even think twice about that game. They spent a ton of cash on TV spots (seriously, I have seen the fucking commercial tons of times during football, ufc, etc) which wasn't cheap but I haven't seen much for it on my rare foyers onto other gaming sites. Also the commercials ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE. For real, those might be the worst video game ads of the year.
What I thought of Uncharted based on their TV marketing: -Another console fps, ffs -What a stupid title, Drakes Gold/Treasure? The name Drake is annoying. -Great the lead is a dumbass named Drake who is supposed to be all James Dean cool, that always is fucking lame in video games. -montage of game footage: diving across bridge with bullets flying by, blowing up jeep with atv mounted missile? swimming while bullets go by, quick shot of jungle terrain. Why would I play this game? To recap the ads made me think this was another vanilla console fps, set in the jungle, with a badly named boring omg he's witty treasure hunter as the lead. Oh lawd it sounded bad to me. I'm tickled that this is supposedly GOTY material. What a utter failure by marketing. I want to say that their ad has a nokia tie in, he's sneaking around and his phone rings and he "says its for you" (lol) and throws it at them and starts shooting. Fuck that screams brilliant storyline and plotting. Rofl. The games industry isn't just amateur hour its a fucking amateur factory. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 12:28:46 PM Really. Not the game to be knocking. Really, really, really, really.
Drake's Fortune. As in Francis Drake. You find a treasure map of El Dorado that Francis Drake left. Assassin's Creed is OK, but it isn't even worthy to smell Uncharted's shit. If it did shit. Which it doesn't. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 12:32:24 PM Yes, that's what's called a FAD Haemish. It might as well be called the Wii Sports Box. Much like the REBox of the last era. Or Smash Box. Whatever flavor you pick. Wait wait. In an industry that turns around consoles every how many years, the Wii is a fad? I know it hasn't been terribly long, but if you go by that logic, then each generation's leader is just a fad. Come now. Nintendo had a winner this go around. So the hardware is weak compared to the other two. That's irrelevant. What is relevant is sales, revenue, and profit. Sony had to slash prices to get to half the sales of the Wii. Microsoft is still repairing/replacing 360s left and right (which they should be doing), and Nintendo is what? Selling like hotcakes and on the basis of a handful of games. Bravo. Way to capitalize on an untapped market. I had this discussion with several people I know who each own two or all three of the consoles. They are all pretty big gamers. The point here is that, while you may be a hardcore gamer and may scoff at the lousy hardware or the "juvenile" looking games on Nintendo, it does not do away with the fact that they made a killer product. Each of them digressed into bitching about the games and the graphics. But that is irrelevant to sales numbers. Sure, the PS3 will possibly catch up or will eventually gain quite a bit, but that will be due to more game sales targetted at a smaller market subset of gamers who spend more money than the average joe on games. PS3 is targetted at the young, male, hardcore game geek. The Wii is not. Nintendo was smart to do what they did because it opens up a new market to the world of gaming and can drive sales of their other hardware (DS) and games. PS3 wasn't foolish in its target audience, it is just on a slower return on investment curve. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 12:34:12 PM I'm just really not sure why some people bought a PS3 if they weren't interested in what few good PS3 exclusives came out this year. As I mentioned in the Uncharted thread, sales on that game were pretty dismal, but even more surprising is that estimated total worldwide sales for Ratchet and Clank are just under 500,000 (having released in late Oct.).
Wii is still selling out. Nintendo is working with Gamestop to provide rainchecks so kids will actually have something to open on Christmas (even if it's just a gift that says they gets to wait a month after Christmas before they actually get their present). Rumor has it that they're going to introduce some new Wii colors in Japan early next year, so I expect the hardware numbers to jump back up a bit. In the U.S., the DS sold more units than the PS2, PS3, and PSP combined. The 360 still sells like shit in Japan, but new exclusive releases always seem to at least make the top 10 for a week. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 12:39:37 PM Rumor has it that they're going to introduce some new Wii colors in Japan early next year, so I expect the hardware numbers to jump back up a bit. Another good point for Nintendo and the marketing genius behind the Wii. Just as with the DS or even fucking cell phones and iPods, make some color options and people love it. So for games, make a gold "limited-edition" cartridge/disc/whatever and gamers get all silly about it. They can drive hardware and game sales with the must mundane psychological and emotional tricks. Sony is trying to sell the console based on the hardware. Let's face it, as with cars, the only people interested in being sold a car with a killer powerful engine are a small niche compared to the overall car market. The new VW Beetle was nothing special really, but did you see the color options? And the holder for a flower vase? You get my point. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 12:47:30 PM Fuck a sales thread.
ICO, Okami, and Katamari sold like shit too. Grim Fandango sold like 8 copies. Whatever. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 14, 2007, 12:52:34 PM And ads don't effect my game purchasing. At all. Yeah, but you aren't normal. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 12:52:46 PM Fuck a sales thread. ICO, Okami, and Katamari sold like shit too. Grim Fandango sold like 8 copies. Whatever. I don't think ICO had quite the budget that Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank had, and Clover was shut down shortly after Okami's release. Sales are important if you want to see your favorite dev teams continue to make games. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 12:58:58 PM Katamari cost nothing to make. And it sold like FIRE.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 14, 2007, 01:01:31 PM I'm just really not sure why some people bought a PS3 if they weren't interested in what few good PS3 exclusives came out this year. Ill tell you, becouse for consoles, its like upgrading your computer, and if you were one of the lucky ones..... All your old game still run on it. AND, you get to play new shiny game.......when they come out. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 01:10:20 PM I'm just really not sure why some people bought a PS3 if they weren't interested in what few good PS3 exclusives came out this year. Ill tell you, becouse for consoles, its like upgrading your computer, and if you were one of the lucky ones..... All your old game still run on it. AND, you get to play new shiny game.......when they come out. They aren't playing the shiny new games that are actually developed with the PS3 in mind though. If someone is going to by a system to play stuff like CoD4, they might as well just stick with a 360 since multi-platform games tend to be better on the 360 right now, and it has a stronger online community. PS3 right now is in a similar situation to what Nintendo has been in before, where they're going to be relying largely on their first party stuff, and they have the talent to do that. Unfortunately, they either don't seem to have the marketing, their games don't have the mass appeal, or their franchises don't have that Nintendo nostalgia factor to get their first party software sales up to where they need to be. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 01:17:55 PM Fuck a sales thread. ICO, Okami, and Katamari sold like shit too. Grim Fandango sold like 8 copies. Whatever. I don't think ICO had quite the budget that Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank had, and Clover was shut down shortly after Okami's release. Sales are important if you want to see your favorite dev teams continue to make games. Insomniac, Team Ico, and ND aren't going anywhere, so I don't have to worry about that at least. I do understand what you're saying though. I just get tired of the kind of direction these threads tend to go: When gamers start talking about revenue and profit being the main points of relevance. Fuck that shit. Just play games, stay curious, and have fun. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 01:31:57 PM Fuck a sales thread. ICO, Okami, and Katamari sold like shit too. Grim Fandango sold like 8 copies. Whatever. I don't think ICO had quite the budget that Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank had, and Clover was shut down shortly after Okami's release. Sales are important if you want to see your favorite dev teams continue to make games. Insomniac, Team Ico, and ND aren't going anywhere, so I don't have to worry about that at least. I do understand what you're saying though. I just get tired of the kind of direction these threads tend to go: When gamers start talking about revenue and profit being the main points of relevance. Fuck that shit. Just play games, stay curious, and have fun. Very few things seem to be permanent in the game industry. Even if the studios don't fold, key personale could leave any of these studios. Insomniac at least should have a new franchise in Resistance, so they aren't in too bad of shape. ND... well, Uncharted is the first game they've realeased since Jak X in 2005, and it probably had a sizable budget. They really needed this to be a hit, and I'd really rather see it do well enough to justify a sequel, otherwise you're going to be seeing ND churning out Jak PSP games or something in order to make up lost money. I don't know, I like following sales because it gives you an indication of where the industry will be heading, and because I like to see when developers get the sales on a game they deserve. I'm actually happy that CoD4 is doing well because the dev team seemed to put a lot of effort into making that game (although I'm sure they can't be happy that after all that effort, CoD5 is presumably getting churned out by Treyarch for a release next year). Likewise I get disappointed when good games don't catch on. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 02:05:14 PM Treyarch and Infinity Ward had been planning on alternating for a while now. So... it wasn't surprising when announced.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on December 14, 2007, 02:17:40 PM Yes, that's what's called a FAD Haemish. It might as well be called the Wii Sports Box. Much like the REBox of the last era. Or Smash Box. Whatever flavor you pick. Except its almost outsold the Gamecube's lifetime sales IN ONE YEAR. That's not a fad. And itll get good games once they start releasing stuff other than minigame collections. Of course people don't buy many of those. When you have Wii Sports you already have all the minigames you NEED. Developers are scrambling because they all thought like you. Which is WRONG THINKING. People didn't want a 600 dollar shitbox with about 5 worthwhile exclusives and inferior to the 360 ports. Most people don't give a fuck about Blu Ray. And that fucked the PS3. You LOST. Deal with it. And Wii has online purchasable games too, so its attach rate if we count that is way higher too. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 02:18:19 PM I'm going to remember this post.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 02:22:39 PM I'm going to remember this post. I still remember the post where you said it was retarted to think that Sony was sowing the seeds of 3rd place with the PS3. :grin: Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 02:23:17 PM I'm going to remember this post. I still remember the post where you said it was retarted to think that Sony was sowing the seeds of 3rd place with the PS3. :grin: People buy what they can afford. The Wii is affordable by those on welfare. Not saying that is the case as I know a lot of rich folk who think it's the best thing since sliced bread. But, again, people thought Tickle me Elmo and the Furby were also. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Nerf on December 14, 2007, 02:25:07 PM People are going to start giving a shit about blu-ray as HD becomes the norm, and to say that people prefer games with shittastic graphics over the super shiny is just being stupid, if that logic held true SNES and Genesis would still be around, hell, my atari wouldn't be sitting in a fucking closet.
That being said, I'm looking forward to getting my Wii in January, because mindless controller waving is actually alot of fun. Mindless controller waving really doesn't have much to do with the system though, the entire appeal of the Wii is it's controller, PS3 already has the six-axis, and they can start muscling into Wii territory if they'd make some games that actually fucking use it. The six-axis arrow controls in heavenly sword made that game for me, I'd play that shit all fucking day. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on December 14, 2007, 02:27:29 PM I'm going to remember this post. I still remember the post where you said it was retarted to think that Sony was sowing the seeds of 3rd place with the PS3. :grin: People buy what they can afford. The Wii is affordable by those on welfare. Not saying that is the case as I know a lot of rich folk who think it's the best thing since sliced bread. But, again, people thought Tickle me Elmo and the Furby were also. Your elitist moneywasting gamer ways being knifed in the back pain is DELICIOUS. And funny as hell. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 02:29:30 PM Quote Your elitist moneywasting gamer ways being knifed in the back pain is DELICIOUS. And funny as hell. Moneywasting? Uncharted is better than anything that is OR WILL BE on the Wii. So sorry. Try again. I know you still play games on the 70s, so uhm, your comment is thrown out with the trash. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 14, 2007, 02:46:24 PM People are going to start giving a shit about blu-ray as HD becomes the norm, That's great and all, but as we're starting to see, people buying PS3s as blu-ray players don't really do shit for developers trying to sell games. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on December 14, 2007, 02:49:44 PM Quote Your elitist moneywasting gamer ways being knifed in the back pain is DELICIOUS. And funny as hell. Moneywasting? Uncharted is better than anything that is OR WILL BE on the Wii. So sorry. Try again. I know you still play games on the 70s, so uhm, your comment is thrown out with the trash. Flavor of the month graphics whore ITT. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 02:53:37 PM People are going to start giving a shit about blu-ray as HD becomes the norm, and to say that people prefer games with shittastic graphics over the super shiny is just being stupid, if that logic held true SNES and Genesis would still be around, hell, my atari wouldn't be sitting in a fucking closet. That being said, I'm looking forward to getting my Wii in January, because mindless controller waving is actually alot of fun. Mindless controller waving really doesn't have much to do with the system though, the entire appeal of the Wii is it's controller, PS3 already has the six-axis, and they can start muscling into Wii territory if they'd make some games that actually fucking use it. The six-axis arrow controls in heavenly sword made that game for me, I'd play that shit all fucking day. No. The logic does not lead to the NES and Genesis still being popular platforms. Market logic shows that new hardware replaces old hardware, otherwise, the market would still be saturated with 1st gen iPods. Of course people want updated graphics and more and better features, otherwise, how could the purchase of new and better hardware be justified? If PS3 quality graphics could be offered on the NES and Genesis, they would most certainly still be around. schild stepped out of the hardcore gaming geek bubble here and made a good point. The Wii is affordable and fun. Those two pieces right there are a huge win in the marketplace. Great graphics would be icing on the cake. Alas, their cake lacks that particular floral decoration. Then again, not everyone likes lots of icing on their cake, especially if the decorations cost extra. As for the Blu-Ray player thing, I still think it's in the early adopter numbers of purchases, but perhaps a fair amount more will purchase it solely for watching movies. I doubt it will ride on that though. More likely, standalone players will become more affordable, or someone like Apple or TiVO will make a combo DVR/HDDVD player or somesuch. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Tannhauser on December 14, 2007, 03:05:49 PM I'm going to remember this post. I still remember the post where you said it was retarted to think that Sony was sowing the seeds of 3rd place with the PS3. :grin: People buy what they can afford. The Wii is affordable by those on welfare. Not saying that is the case as I know a lot of rich folk who think it's the best thing since sliced bread. But, again, people thought Tickle me Elmo and the Furby were also. People buy what they can afford? Not around here! Oh and selling the PS3 to the rich is great strategy, that is if you don't want to sell a lot of units... No, the strategy was to sell the unit at a high price and they assumed the gaming sheep as well as MomnDad would pony up the dough. "That's some nice detective work there Lou." Having said this I'm now considering buying a PS3 for the Blu-Ray. Maybe they'll even develop some good games for it besides Resistance and Unearthed. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Roac on December 14, 2007, 05:53:24 PM Except for nobody wanting one, the PS3 is awesome.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Big Gulp on December 14, 2007, 06:44:06 PM People are going to start giving a shit about blu-ray as HD becomes the norm, I can't see that. I've got an HDTV, and I have zero plans to ever get into BluRay, because an upscaling DVD player does the job just fine. I can't tell the difference between the HD channels on my satellite dish or an upscaled DVD. They both look fantastic. BluRay is a solution in search of a problem, and it's lifespan is limited at any rate, because DLC is right around the corner. This was a last ditch attempt to cash in one more time on physical media, and I don't think it's going anywhere. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Margalis on December 14, 2007, 07:35:18 PM What's the term for something that never caught on in the first place? I mean besides "failure."
And I'll second that Uncharted had terrible marketing. No matter how much I hear about it the back of my mind still says it must suck. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 14, 2007, 08:22:35 PM What kind of TV do you have anyways Gulp? Just wondering. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I see a big difference between upscaled DVD and HD feeds and Blu-Ray discs. On DLP and Projection, not so much.
Anyways, I think it's too bad that some of you guys are concerned about marketing and revenue. Again I say, fuck sales thread. Really, I find that kind of heartbreaking! That isn't any kind of way to discover what's fun or not. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on December 14, 2007, 08:27:04 PM Anyways, I think it's too bad that some of you guys are concerned about marketing and revenue. Again I say, fuck sales thread. Really, I find that kind of heartbreaking! That isn't any kind of way to discover what's fun or not. No fuckie sales thread! Its nice dumb fun! But fun is subjective anyhow. We all tend to forget that. People playing Wii can have as much fun as people playing PS3 as can cell phone gamers or whatever. Its mostly subjective taste now isn't it? I love turn based games with a passion yet to someone else that's poop on a disk/cartridge. To each their own. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: dusematic on December 14, 2007, 08:33:49 PM Yes, that's what's called a FAD [the wii] Haemish. Dude, you're sooooo desperate for the Wii. to fail. It represents everything you don't want to happen to gaming doesn't it? I want the Wii to continue dominating. With any luck, things can go back to a Nintendo Power world and we can have our Final Fantasy and eat our Mario too. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on December 14, 2007, 08:54:03 PM ^^ Dude, if we go back to that, its just Nintendo acting like Sony does. Because Nintendo were a bunch of arrogant shitstains back in the NES days.
Which ended up putting them in third place last generation (unless you count portables anyhow...). I don't want that Nintendo back. I want the current cool(ish) Nintendo. Oh yeah. POST 666! Time to listen to some Dio!!! Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Margalis on December 14, 2007, 09:15:24 PM Not Iron Maiden?
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 11:48:33 PM The PS3 is nothing like the N64.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: MahrinSkel on December 15, 2007, 12:30:12 AM And a year ago (before the Wii or PS3 had come out) people said I was crazy and/or stupid for thinking the only question about who was going to "win" this generation was if the PS3 was going to drop all the way to the bottom. Right now, the PS2 is still outselling the PS3, a year after release. Actually, you could make a good case that the winner for this generation is the PS2 (it's added more units than anything else).
--Dave Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: squirrel on December 15, 2007, 01:11:03 AM i'm too fucking stupid and lazy to read this thread but here's what I bought last 6 weeks:
* Uncharted (PS3) - Loved the hell out of it. Awesome game. AWESOME. NO MORE WORDS. * Mass Effect (360) - Awesome too. Not as awesome though. Too much time for me. But it's really good so far. * Assassins Creed (360) - Solely for the achievements. Which I suck at anyway. Truly if you're looking for the best game recently based on that weird "fun" shit - it's either Uncharted or Portal. Or not. I don't care, I just play what I can. But if your game of the year isn't Portal or Uncharted I'd love to hear your reasoning. Cause I have no time for games, and even I know when the Gods cast us pearls. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 15, 2007, 02:03:58 AM Anyways, I think it's too bad that some of you guys are concerned about marketing and revenue. Again I say, fuck sales thread. Really, I find that kind of heartbreaking! That isn't any kind of way to discover what's fun or not. It would be sad if I let it keep me for enjoying games for some reason. It doesn't though, and I love reading and talking about the console market. As I've said, it gives you an indication of where gaming is heading. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: stray on December 15, 2007, 02:34:28 AM I understand, I guess. I just spent too much time reading GAF I think. Otherwise known as Sales Age Forums.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Big Gulp on December 15, 2007, 06:29:55 AM What kind of TV do you have anyways Gulp? Just wondering. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I see a big difference between upscaled DVD and HD feeds and Blu-Ray discs. On DLP and Projection, not so much. Rear Projection CRT, so maybe that could have something to do with it, but then again, I don't see getting a new TV any time soon so the point is pretty much moot for me. Besides, there really isn't any affordable/good quality (like Taiyo-Yuden quality) blank media for either HDDVD or BluRay. This would curtail my Blockbuster Online extracurricular activities quite a bit. Thanks, AnyDVD! Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 15, 2007, 03:00:42 PM November U.S. Software sales for some of the games that didn't make it into the top 10:
Quote 360 ROCK BAND (T) 312K 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED: COLLECTOR'S EDITION (M) 140K WII MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES (E) 328K WII WII ZAPPER W/ LINK'S CROSSBOW TRAINING (E) 232K WII HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL (E) 185K WII LEGO STAR WARS: THE COMPLETE TRILOGY (E) 180K WII RESIDENT EVIL: UMBRELLA CHRONICLES (M) 121K WII RAYMAN RAVING RABBIDS 2 (E) 60K WII WWE SMACKDOWN VS RAW 2008 (T) 53K WII FIRE EMBLEM: RADIANT DAWN (T) 53K WII MEDAL OF HONOR HEROES 2 (T) 31K WII MANHUNT 2 (M) 19K WII TRAUMA CENTER: NEW BLOOD (T) 15K NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS (E) 227K NDS FINAL FANTASY XII: REVENANT WINGS (E) 49K PS3 UNCHARTED: DRAKE'S FORTUNE (T) 117K PS3 ROCK BAND (T) 70K PS3 RATCHET & CLANK FUTURE (T) 66K PC CRYSIS (M) 87K PC UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 (M) 34K Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Simond on December 15, 2007, 04:56:57 PM Quote PS3 UNCHARTED: DRAKE'S FORTUNE (T) 117K welpTitle: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: naum on December 15, 2007, 08:09:43 PM Wii Reaches the Greatest Generation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzp8S_7yspM Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2007, 11:15:50 AM Anyways, I think it's too bad that some of you guys are concerned about marketing and revenue. Again I say, fuck sales thread. Then why do you keep posting in it? As for sales threads, they always turn into PS3 vs. Wii threads, which is pretty useless wankery on all sides. The PS3 will be top console when the Wii HD comes out in about 3-4 years. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 17, 2007, 11:21:47 AM Anyways, I think it's too bad that some of you guys are concerned about marketing and revenue. Again I say, fuck sales thread. Then why do you keep posting in it? As for sales threads, they always turn into PS3 vs. Wii threads, which is pretty useless wankery on all sides. The PS3 will be top console when the Wii HD comes out in about 3-4 years. In 3 to 4 years, the next gen consoles will be out so it means fuck all. The Wii won this round. The PS3 is a powerful piece of hardware with lots of potential. For the hardcore console gamers who end up buying all of them anyhow, it's a win-win. For the rest of us, still a win-win. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2007, 11:24:54 AM Exactly. The Wii succeeding is full of win for the gaming industry, once the arrogance gets dropped.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 17, 2007, 11:26:14 AM Quote The Wii succeeding is full of win for the gaming industry Tell that to fans of Fatal Frame. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Soukyan on December 17, 2007, 11:35:07 AM Exactly. The Wii succeeding is full of win for the gaming industry, once the arrogance gets dropped. So you really expect business executives of a technology company to drop their arrogance? You know better than that. No matter what the public face, they are all arrogant fucks and will continue to be as long as the American walking wallets shamble along and shell out the adoring cash for the next best thing. It's like Apple bleeding early adopters of the iPhone for a spare $200 and then dropping the price. I think about 5 people actually bitched while the rest were in denial and started justifying their purchase price as a fee for getting it first. I thought it was supposed to work the other way around for supply and demand. There's a reason I haven't bought either the Wii or the PS3. The PS3 is too expensive for me to buy because I have no real need for it. Nintendo is playing the withholding game with the Wii supply, so fuck them. XBox 360? It looks more and more compelling every day. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2007, 12:12:28 PM Exactly. The Wii succeeding is full of win for the gaming industry, once the arrogance gets dropped. So you really expect business executives of a technology company to drop their arrogance? Actually, I wasn't talking about the suits so much as the asshead developers and designers who refuse to make games for the "2 GameCubes duct-taped together" system. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 17, 2007, 12:15:02 PM Quote XBox 360? It looks more and more compelling every day. Totally a different kind of gamble. All 3 consoles have huge problems. In fact, for many people, the argument could be made that the extra $100 for the PS3 buys you stability Microsoft will never be able to match. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Mazakiel on December 17, 2007, 12:51:22 PM Having both a PS3 and a 360, I slightly prefer the PS3, but they're both worth owning in my book. I've not had the hardware problems many 360 owners have had, except occasional lockups while gaming for long stretches. I tend to save often, though, so it's more annoyance than anything else. At this point, after the price drop and everything, I view game lineup as being the main deciding factor. And while the 360 has a larger library, it's also been out longer. The PS3 has several awesome titles as well, now.
As to the Wii, I'm still rather unimpressed by what I've seen of their game library. Everything I've seen just seems...underwhelming. I'm apparently going to get one for Christmas though, so I guess I'll be finding out first hand. I expect it'll end up like the GC and N64 before it, one or two games I'll enjoy, and otherwise it'll gather dust. I've had a PS3 for maybe 3 weeks now, and I've probably gotten more enjoyment out of it already than I did with the GC in the whole time I had one. And sadly, I'll probably never see a sequel of any sort to Eternal Darkness or Skies of Arcadia. And that was really just an improved port of the Dreamcast version that couldn't even deliver on several of the improvements. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 21, 2007, 08:39:15 AM 12/10-12/16 (2007) - Japan
Software: Quote 01./02. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 180,042 / 826,000 02./01. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 124,238 / 535,000 03./00. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Sony) - 115,748 / NEW 04./05. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5) - 74,378 / 444,000 05./09. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 74,113 / 550,000 06./06. [NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square-Enix) - 73,061 / 868,000 07./10. [WII] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 64,228 / 212,000 08./14. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 55,102 / 2,341,000 09./15. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 54,696 / 1,921,000 10./00. [WII] Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon: the Labyrinth of Forgotten Time (Square-Enix) - 40,580 / NEW Hardware: Quote Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD 1. NDS - 222,144 | 168,267 | 6,668,915 | 20,674,594 2. PSP - 184,610 | 91,481 | 2,736,291 | 7,268,420 3. WII - 170,558 | 115,057 | 3,311,401 | 4,231,044 4. PS3 - 63,720 | 38,123 | 1,073,245 | 1,530,803 5. PS2 - 18,025 | 11,987 | 726,218 | 20,881,077 6. 360 - 8,561 | 8,876 | 226,427 | 491,129 7. GBA - 140 | 114 | 50,534 | 15,348,613 8. NGC - 32 | 46 | 10,495 | 4,179,963 Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 21, 2007, 08:42:09 AM Some thoughts:
Wii Fit, still not doing near as well as I expected - imo, good thing. Stupid non-games. Also, Nation of skinny people. Mario Party, as ALWAYS, a monster. Holy, holy shit at Gran Turismo 5. For a Downloadable - selling to 10% of owners in the first week is just awesome. Layton has legs. Galaxy falling faster than expected. Dragon Quest XI, if prior IV is any indication, will be an unstoppable force of nature. Wii Sports and Wii Play are back in the top 10, means stores were restocked with Wiis. Good god at the PSP. Really though, I like the slim now more than my DS Lite. So I sort of understand why this is happening. Also, PSP games are reaching PS2 caliber in quality - imo. NDS is still... the NDS. Wii has now sold more LTD than the Gamecube during it's entire run. 360 never should've been launched in Japan, period. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on December 21, 2007, 09:11:57 AM 360 never should've been launched in Japan, period. Yes, but I really don't think Microsoft gives a shit, despite their attempts to make stuff like Blue Dragon for a Japanese audience. As you've said before, the Japanese market is really irrelevant for anyone outside of Japan. The 360 is there because Japan exists, not because it's part of any strategy whatsoever. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on December 21, 2007, 09:19:46 AM Well, it's part of one strategy. To get Japanese devs to work on it. I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on December 21, 2007, 01:41:31 PM I believe the 360 has already sold more in Japan than the Xbox ever did (damning with faint praise I know). A lot of the major games on 360 also hit the top 10 in their launch week (then promptly disappear off the chart altogether, never to be heard from again). At this rate, Xbox might become a viable brand in Japan in about 11 or 12 more console generations.
Sales on GT5 prologue are especially strong when you consider that the numbers here are just for purchases of pysical copies. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on January 17, 2008, 04:34:56 PM December NPD sales numbers are up: (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229157)
Quote HW Sales System December 2007 Annual 2007 PlayStation 2 1.1 million 3.97 million PlayStation 3 797.6 K 2.56 million PlayStation Portable 1.06 million 3.82 million Xbox 360 1.26 million 4.62 million Wii 1.35 million 6.29 million Nintendo DS 2.47 million 8.50 million Top 10 SW Sales 360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) *1 1.47 million WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 2 1.40 million PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) *3 1.25 million WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 4 1.08 million 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) *5 893.7 K 360 HALO 3 MICROSOFT (CORP) SEP 2007 MATURE (M) *6 742.7 K NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A NINTENDO OF AMERICA AUG 2007 EVERYONE (E) 7 659.5 K PS2 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS AUG 2007 EVERYONE (E) 8 655.2 K 360 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 9 624.6 K WII MARIO AND SONIC: OLYMPIC GAMES SEGA OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 10 613.0 K Top 10 SW Annaul 360 HALO 3 MICROSOFT (CORP) SEP 2007 MATURE (M) *1 4.82 million WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 2 4.12 million 360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) *3 3.04 million PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) *4 2.72 million WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 5 2.52 million NDS POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA APR 2007 EVERYONE (E) 6 2.48 million PS2 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS AUG 2007 EVERYONE (E) 7 1.90 million PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2006 TEEN (T) *8 1.89 million 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED UBISOFT NOV 2007 MATURE (M) *9 1.87 million WII MARIO PARTY 8 NINTENDO OF AMERICA MAY 2007 EVERYONE (E) 10 1.82 million *Includes Collector's, Limited, Legendary, Bundles (Guitars) Editions Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on January 17, 2008, 04:37:28 PM Pretty much what I expected. Good numbers all around.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Strazos on January 17, 2008, 05:22:45 PM Nice to see the 360 numbers so close to the Wii numbers.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: naum on January 17, 2008, 08:20:33 PM '07 Numbers (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080117-nintendo-tops-07-sales-numbers-in-industrys-best-year-ever.html)
(http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/2007-sales-1.jpg) (http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/2007-sales-2.jpg) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on January 17, 2008, 09:12:17 PM Japan hardware (since they don't buy shit for software:
Code: Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD The PSP continues to impress. That Wii/PS3 difference smells like nothing but a cost-issue. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Venkman on January 17, 2008, 09:51:49 PM Where's the PC numbers?! Console bias!!
Heh, going by this (http://www.gamestop.com/default.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1§=2) (and that only found because of Raph's thing), if PotBS is the number one PC game, that'd be, what, the 75th best selling video game in general? :wink: Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Fabricated on January 17, 2008, 10:14:16 PM Not bad numbers all around really, all things considered. It'd be nice if fucking Smash Brothers would come out. My Wii has actually been used over the last 2 weeks but Galaxy is continuing to inspire a distinct feeling of "meh".
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Simond on January 18, 2008, 02:59:10 AM And the DS finally overtakes the PS2.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on January 18, 2008, 03:51:44 AM And the DS finally overtakes the PS2. Nintendo's success with the DS and Wii makes one wonder if their Board of Directors sold their own souls to the devil, or went with the more traditionial route of virgin sacrifices. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Triforcer on January 18, 2008, 06:20:03 AM Not bad numbers all around really, all things considered. It'd be nice if fucking Smash Brothers would come out. My Wii has actually been used over the last 2 weeks but Galaxy is continuing to inspire a distinct feeling of "meh". Pushed back to March! NERD FURY SMASH HATE WORLD WANT NOW Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on January 18, 2008, 11:03:12 AM That Wii/PS3 difference smells like nothing but a cost-issue. Cheaper hardware sells better. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: sidereal on January 18, 2008, 03:40:14 PM I'm not sure what to make of the PS2 outselling the PS3 this xmas. I think that's pretty bad for the PS3. Yeah, you can say it just means that the PS2 is a great piece of hardware (it is), but if the Xbox1 outsold the Xbox360 that would rightly be considered an enormous WTF.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Trippy on January 18, 2008, 04:17:16 PM MS stopped making the Xbox a long time ago, unlike Sony with the PS2 which they still make.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Azazel on January 18, 2008, 07:15:03 PM PS2 is still being pushed pretty hard here. Especially with things like Buzz, Singstar, Pink PS2s etc.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on January 31, 2008, 01:53:12 AM Where's the PC numbers?! Console bias!! You asked for it. Top 10 PC games for 2007 (http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-issues-corrected-top-10-pc-games-of-2007/19212/?biz=) (not including downloads, since they obviously can't be tracked by NPD): Quote 1. World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade* – Vivendi (Blizzard) – 2.25 million 2. World of Warcraft* – Vivendi (Blizzard) – 914K 3. The Sims 2* – Electronic Arts – 534K 4. The Sims 2 Seasons Expansion Pack – Electronic Arts – 433K 5. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare* – Activision – 383K 6. Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars* – Electronic Arts – 350K 7. MS Age of Empires III* – Microsoft – 313K 8. Sim City 4* - Electronic Arts – 294K 9. MS Flight Simulator X* - Microsoft - 280K 10. The Sims 2 Bon Voyage Expansion Pack – Electronic Arts – 272K *Includes Collector's, Deluxe, Gold or Kane Editions Aren't you glad you asked? Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Margalis on January 31, 2008, 02:38:50 AM PC game sales seem far far lower than console sales.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Tebonas on January 31, 2008, 03:39:16 AM Not to mention half of the top 10 are two games.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: JWIV on January 31, 2008, 05:05:55 AM PC game sales seem far far lower than console sales. Sales numbers ignore D2Drive, Steam, and other digital distribution methodology. But in general, yes, consoles do control a larger share of the gaming market. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Sky on January 31, 2008, 06:35:26 AM (http://www.foureyesjokeshop.com/ProductImages/Not%20Shit%20Sherlock%20Costume.jpg)
We need that in smiley form. When have pc games outsold console games? LCD. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on January 31, 2008, 09:24:15 AM Since those numbers don't show anything to do with direct downloads, they are completely useless. Go into your local EB Games, Gamestop or other software outlet. If you're lucky, you'll see maybe 20-30 titles outside of those top 10 sellers, and no more than 1 copy of those games. PC Gaming at the retail outlet is dead outside of big publishers who can afford to put boxes there. Best Buy's have lots of copies of stuff, but the variety isn't there.
PC developers need to embrace that niche with direct downloads NOW. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on January 31, 2008, 09:34:09 AM TotalGaming.net is introducing their Steamlike variant with Sins of a Solar Empire. It looks very nice. Btw, having read up on that game, day 1 for me.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Tebonas on January 31, 2008, 09:40:40 AM :headscratch:
Did I miss something? I always thought Stardock Central already is their digital distribution platform for quite some time. There is something new more Steamlike from them? Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on January 31, 2008, 09:41:26 AM Yea, their steamlike thing is coming soon to beta.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Tebonas on January 31, 2008, 09:43:35 AM Peculiar. I always liked how Stardock worked. It will be interesting how and if they can improve it.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on January 31, 2008, 10:51:01 AM Since those numbers don't show anything to do with direct downloads, they are completely useless. I wouldn't say that. Being able to track direct downloads would boost some numbers up, sure, but overall it wouldn't make a huge difference. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on January 31, 2008, 11:07:24 AM It might make a big difference, mainly because I didn't see the Orange Box on there. And I have to think that with digital downloads included, it would have sold at least 272k (which would tie it for 10th on that list).
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on January 31, 2008, 12:28:06 PM It might make a big difference, mainly because I didn't see the Orange Box on there. And I have to think that with digital downloads included, it would have sold at least 272k (which would tie it for 10th on that list). To me, the possibility that with digital downloads included, Orange Box might have edged out a Sims 2 expansion for 10th place isn't a huge difference. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on January 31, 2008, 12:42:06 PM It might restore (or create) my faith in gamer taste.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on January 31, 2008, 02:37:29 PM Since those numbers don't show anything to do with direct downloads, they are completely useless. Go into your local EB Games, Gamestop or other software outlet. If you're lucky, you'll see maybe 20-30 titles outside of those top 10 sellers, and no more than 1 copy of those games. PC Gaming at the retail outlet is dead outside of big publishers who can afford to put boxes there. Best Buy's have lots of copies of stuff, but the variety isn't there. PC developers need to embrace that niche with direct downloads NOW. That to me, will kill ALL desire I have to play games on a computer. No hardcopy? NO FUCKING SALE. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on February 01, 2008, 11:21:40 AM You won't be buying many non-big-publisher games in 5 years then. Maybe as little as 2 years.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Sky on February 01, 2008, 11:42:56 AM It might restore (or create) my faith in gamer taste. I doubt it. Taste is and always will be a niche thing. That's what makes it taste, something the masses lack.You're nuts about the no hard copy thing. I've bought a few downloads, but I'd much rather have the physical disk. With modern distribution methods, it doesn't make sense to stop physical distro. Retail b&m doesn't even enter into it with pc games, I buy my games on amazon. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 01, 2008, 11:50:12 AM I would pay $10 more than a digital download Every Single Time to get a box and a disc.
Don't even care about the manual. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: naum on February 01, 2008, 12:22:24 PM You're nuts about the no hard copy thing. I've bought a few downloads, but I'd much rather have the physical disk. With modern distribution methods, it doesn't make sense to stop physical distro. Retail b&m doesn't even enter into it with pc games, I buy my games on amazon. With Amazon Prime (free 2 day shipping, and low price for 1 day shipping) now, I order just about all media through Amazon. It seems the books and games I like to buy just are not featured, nor available at the local retail establishments I used to support… …just easier to go clicky click and then it gets delivered to my door. I like to get hardcopy, at least a printed manual and/or command/control cheat sheet… …but they could give me a PDF download and that would be cool too (for a DL game)… …but I got enough game CD boxes to discard already… Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on February 01, 2008, 02:01:54 PM You won't be buying many non-big-publisher games in 5 years then. Maybe as little as 2 years. Well, it will save me money. The publishers need me more than I need them. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Kageru on February 01, 2008, 07:18:28 PM I really hope steam and digital distribution take of. Not because I like the method (I'd rather buy a box with a manual) or because I believe it will be cheaper but because it steals control of the PC market from the current retailers. I don't like the lack of competition, the tiny stock and unwillingness to stock anything but the most mainstream shooters. Specialist titles like Popcap games and Eve just don't have a path to retail survival leading to tiny shelves full of ghastly EA respins and soul-less adaptions of mainstream culture. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Tebonas on February 02, 2008, 12:09:00 AM Digital distribution is the way for me to get the titles in English, which my retarded local retail outlets can't manage because they think everybody is too stupid to speak a foreign language. (Amazon Germany/Austria as well)
I'm tired of ordering everything from far away and having to wait for it. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 02, 2008, 04:07:25 PM Quote 01./01. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 89,248 / 1,283,000 02./00. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven: Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (Konami) - 76,669 / NEW 03./00. [PS2] Lucky Star: Misasagi Sakura Gakuen Sakura Fuji Festival (Kadokawa Shoten) - 71,512 / NEW 04./02. [NDS] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 50,169 / 140,000 05./04. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 25,788 / 2,714,000 06./03. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 21,840 / 1,581,000 07./05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) - 20,606 / 1,555,000 08./00. [NDS] Doraemon Baseball: Dramatic Stadium (Bandai-Namco) - 19,598 / 138,000 09./00. [PSP] Yggdra Union (Sting) - 17,304 / NEW 10./06. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5) - 15,332 / 746,000 4 NDS games. 3 PSP Games. 1 Wii Game. 1 Wii Application. 1 PS2 game. Interesting. annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd. Code: Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD It's on like donkey kong between the PSP and DS. Wii is still a juggernaut (Wii Sports and Wii Fit lol). Mario Galaxy might as well not have been released in japan. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 07, 2008, 11:17:58 PM oh god
this week was hot Quote 01. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) - 820,000 / NEW 02. Devil May Cry 4 (PS3) - 205,000 / NEW 03. Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut (PS2) - 117,000 / NEW 04. Suzumiya Haruhi no Tomadoi (PS2) - 114,000 / NEW 05. Wii Fit (Wii) - 73,000 / 1,356,000 06. Disgaea 3 (PS3) - 55,000 / NEW 07. Devil May Cry 4 (Xbox 360) - 40,000 / NEW 08. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (DS) - 34,000 / 175,000 09. Assassin's Creed (PS3) - 28,000 / NEW 10. World Soccer Winning Eleven: Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (PSP) - 26,000 / 102,000 oh wait what is that? 2 Wii games, 3 PS3 games, 2 PS2 games, 1 DS game, 1 PSP game, 1 360 game? wait, wat? the psp outsold the ds this week? YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT GAMES SELL SYSTEMS? O RLY? Don't fuck this up, Sony. Do NOT fuck it up. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 08, 2008, 12:26:03 AM That first Wii game on the list pretty much outsold the other 9 games combined.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Margalis on February 08, 2008, 12:43:14 AM Honestly it's surprising to me that the NDS is selling as well as it is. I'd figure that anyone who wants one has one already.
Japan has been moving more towards portable games for a while now, but this generation really seem to have solidified that. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Strazos on February 08, 2008, 04:22:21 AM Lucky Star and Haruhi games?
plz2localize kthx :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 08, 2008, 06:02:29 AM That first Wii game on the list pretty much outsold the other 9 games combined. It's one of those oddities in Japan. Like Monster Hunter. I don't even want to know what MH3 will do on the Wii. (edit: by oddity, I mean it bursts out of the gate, most games in Japan don't... burst like that, it's a slow burn on the competition, like Professor Layton or Brain Training or Monster Hunter portable (the PS2 ones do incredibly well in their first weeks iirc). Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 13, 2008, 08:25:57 PM If I'm not mistaken, NPD numbers are due up tomorrow at 1pm pst on GAF tomorrow (I mention this as I won't around to post them up here).
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 14, 2008, 08:12:29 PM Sony had a good January hardware-wise, while the 360 and Nintendo just about split the software sales:
Quote Nintendo Wii 274k PlayStation 3 269k PlayStation 2 264k Nintendo DS 251k Sony PSP 230k Xbox 360 230k Top 10 software from Wired: 360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 1 330.9K WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 EVERYONE (E) 2 298.1K WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ WIREACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 3 239.6K 360 ROCK BAND SPECIAL ED BUNDLE MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS NOV 2007 TEEN (T) 4 183.8K 360 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ WIREACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 TEEN (T) 5 182.7K WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 6 172K 360 BURNOUT PARADISE ELECTRONIC ARTS JAN 2008 EVERYONE 10+ (E10+) 7 144.1K PS3 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE ACTIVISION (CORP) NOV 2007 MATURE (M) 8 140K NDS MARIO PARTY NINTENDO OF AMERICA NOV 2007 EVERYONE (E) 9 138.5K NDS MARIO AND SONIC: OLYMPIC GAMES SEGA OF AMERICA JAN 2008 EVERYONE (E) 10 133K Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 14, 2008, 08:35:32 PM Nice.
Sony had no real releases in January. At all. Not even PS2. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 14, 2008, 08:41:58 PM Nice. Sony had no real releases in January. At all. Not even PS2. Nobody really did. All the games on the top 10 software list are old releases. As far as hardware goes, MS is still reporting supply constraints on Premium and Elite models, and Nintendo of course still can't keep the Wii in stock. Not to take anything away from the PS3 though. Those are some pretty good numbers for January. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 14, 2008, 09:00:35 PM Sony has also ramped up production. Are the Japanese numbers out yet? My network connection is dick right now.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 14, 2008, 09:18:39 PM Sony has also ramped up production. Are the Japanese numbers out yet? My network connection is dick right now. The hardware numbers are out: Quote Wii - 81,737 PSP - 75,912 Nintendo DS - 60,464 PlayStation 3 - 23,985 PlayStation 2 - 11,038 Xbox 360 - 3,615 I haven't seen any translations of the software numbers (http://www.m-create.com/ranking/) yet, although I'm pretty sure that's Smash Bros. up there at the top of the list. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 14, 2008, 09:47:16 PM OK, that's a little more than "just outselling" the DS.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on February 14, 2008, 10:16:02 PM JP software numbers:
Quote 01./01. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) - 252,000 / 1,071,000 02./00. [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Gihren's Ambition, The Axis' Threat (Bandai-Namco) - 123,000 / NEW 03./05. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 65,000 / 1,421,000 04./02. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom) - 32,000 / 237,000 05./08. [NDS] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 26,000 / 200,000 06./11. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 21,000 / 2,759,000 07./00. [NDS] L, the Prologue to Death Note: Rasen's Trap (Konami) - 20,000 / NEW 08./12. [WII] Family Ski (Bandai-Namco) - 18,000 / 42,000 09./03. [PS2] Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut (Bandai-Namco) - 17,000 / 133,000 10./13. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 16,000 / 1,617,000 11./14. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) 12./21. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) 13./10. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven: Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (Konami) 14./06. [PS3] Disgaea 3 (Nippon Ichi Software) 15./20. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) 16./09. [PS3] Assassin's Creed (Ubi Soft) 17./04. [PS2] Haruhi Suzumiya's Wonderment (Banpresto) 18./17. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5) 19./19. [NDS] Doraemon Baseball: Dramatic Stadium (Bandai-Namco) 20./22. [NDS] Final Fantasy IV (Square-Enix) 21./18. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS (Bandai-Namco) 22./31. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) 23./26. [NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square-Enix) 24./28. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) 25./29. [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo) 26./00. [WII] Major Wii Throw! Gyro Ball!! (Takara-Tomy) 27./25. [NDS] After-School Boy (Konami) 28./24. [NDS] Nep League DS (Jaleco) 29./32. [NDS] Kanji Brain Test 2.5M (IE Institute) 30./30. [NDS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on February 14, 2008, 10:22:19 PM ahhhhhhhhhhh right
the special edition gundam psp came out this week. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on February 15, 2008, 02:48:17 AM I take it that's for that Ghiren's Greed sounding game?
(Possibly a sequel to it? I dunno, its another game we won't ever get.) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on March 08, 2008, 12:47:47 AM Interesting week for JP hardware sales for the week ending 3/2. Particularly because even with no new releases, the PSP remained at the top of the sales charts, beating out the Wii and the DS.
Quote 1. PSP - 73,706 2. WII - 64,535 3. NDS - 51,922 4. PS3 - 13,520 5. PS2 - 10,986 6. 360 - 2,282 Software sales were a little less interesting except to show once again that the PS2 is still capable of having games debut at #1. Quote 01./00. [PS2] Gundam Musou Special (Bandai-Namco) - 149,846 / NEW 02./01. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) - 67,007 / 1,358,000 03./03. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 64,429 / 1,610,000 04./00. [NDS] Soma Bringer (Nintendo) - 50,844 / NEW 05./00. [360] The Idolm@ster: Live for You! (Bandai-Namco) - 43,697 / NEW 06./02. [NDS] Etrian Odyssey II: The Royal Grail (Atlus) - 24,664 / 94,000 07./04. [PSP] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 24,350 / 71,000 08./05. [NDS] Harvest Moon: Shining Sun and Friends (Marvelous Entertainment) - 22,213 / 67,000 09./09. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 21,140 / 2,820,000 10./06. [WII] Winning Eleven Play Maker 2008 (Konami) - 16,918 / 53,000 11./00. [NDS] Keroro Gunsou 3: Adventure in the Sky! (Bandai-Namco) 12./11. [WII] Family Ski (Bandai-Namco) 13./12. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) 14./10. [NDS] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) 15./00. [NDS] Jirou Akagawa Mystery: Nocturne: The Invited Killer (Marvelous Entertainment) 16./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) 17./07. [PS3] Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Capcom) 18./14. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) 19./27. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) 20./28. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS (Bandai-Namco) 21./20. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) 22./00. [PS2] Final Approach 2: 1st Priority (Oaks Soft) 23./21. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom) 24./22. [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Gihren's Ambition, The Axis' Threat (Bandai-Namco) 25./30. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven: Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (Konami) 26./13. [NDS] Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 2nd Season (Konami) 27./15. [PS2] Poison Pink (Banpresto) 28./34. [NDS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo) 29./32. [NDS] Prof. Layton and Pandora's Box (Level 5) 30./25. [NDS] Naruto: Shippuuden Dairansen! Kage Bunshin Emaki (Takara-Tomy) 31./00. [WII] National Decoration Truck Festival (Jaleco) 32./19. [NDS] L, the Prologue to Death Note: Rasen's Trap (Konami) 33./38. [NDS] Final Fantasy IV (Square-Enix) 34./36. [NDS] Dragon Quest IV (Square-Enix) 35./42. [NDS] Kanji Brain Test 2.5M (IE Institute) 36./45. [WII] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo) 37./37. [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) 38./18. [PS3] Burnout Paradise (EA) 39./49. [PS2] Yakuza 2 (Sega) 40./00. [PS2] Moonties (GungHo Works) 41./50. [NDS] Doraemon Baseball: Dramatic Stadium (Bandai-Namco) 42./00. [PSP] MyStylist (Sony) 43./33. [NDS] Digimon Championship (Bandai-Namco) 44./48. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 (Konami) 45./46. [NDS] Prof. Layton and the Curious Village (Level 5) 46./00. [NDS] DS Literature Collection (Nintendo) 47./00. [PS2] Petit Four (Idea Factory) 48./41. [PS3] Disgaea 3 (Nippon Ichi Software) 49./00. [PS2] Aerial Planet (Nippon Ichi Software) 50./35. [PS2] Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut (Bandai-Namco) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: naum on March 08, 2008, 04:30:22 PM Interesting week for JP hardware sales for the week ending 3/2. Particularly because even with no new releases, the PSP remained at the top of the sales charts, beating out the Wii and the DS. Quote 1. PSP - 73,706 2. WII - 64,535 3. NDS - 51,922 4. PS3 - 13,520 5. PS2 - 10,986 6. 360 - 2,282 … Was curious would death of HD-DVD would mean to 360 v. PS3 sales and PS3 bests 360 by 5:1 margin… …of course, Wii enjoys 5:1 margin over both consoles combined… Is this first month PS3 > PS2? Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Miasma on March 08, 2008, 05:53:31 PM That's just Japan, the xbox has never sold well there.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on March 10, 2008, 11:08:02 AM How did a 360 title make it into Japan's Top 10 software sales?
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on March 10, 2008, 12:01:29 PM How did a 360 title make it into Japan's Top 10 software sales? That's happened a number of times. It will likely completely drop off the charts next week. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Roac on March 10, 2008, 01:10:44 PM How did a 360 title make it into Japan's Top 10 software sales? One in ten 360 owners bought it. That's crazy saturation; even the very best games (excluding ones that get packaged with consoles) can't expect more than 20% lifetime. Flipside to that is yeah, it can't sustain it's position. It won't be top 10 next go round unless nothing else sells. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on March 13, 2008, 12:54:23 AM More Japanese sales numbers (hardware numbers aren't up yet). Nothing particularly noteworthy. I'm just happy Yakuza 3 did well as it's pretty much one of Sega's only worthwhile franchises right now (even if we still haven't gotten 2 in the States yet).
Quote 01./00. [PS3] Yakuza 3: Kenzan! (Sega) - 181,000 / NEW 02./02. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) - 50,000 / 1,408,000 03./03. [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 49,000 / 1,659,000 04./00. [PS2] Gundam Musou Special (Bandai-Namco) - 39,000 / 189,000 05./00. [WII] Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo) - 32,000 / NEW 06./09. [WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 19,000 / 2,838,000 07./04. [NDS] Soma Bringer (Nintendo) - 17,000 / 68,000 08./00. [NDS] Doraemon: Nobita and the Green Giant DS (Bandai-Namco) - 17,000 / NEW 09./07. [PSP] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 16,000 / 87,000 10./00. [WII] Everyone's General Knowledge Training TV (Nintendo) - 14,000 / NEW 11./08. [NDS] Harvest Moon: Shining Sun and Friends (Marvelous Entertainment) 12./13. [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) 13./06. [NDS] Etrian Odyssey II: The Royal Grail (Atlus) 14./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) 15./12. [WII] Family Ski (Bandai-Namco) 16./00. [PS2] Nobunaga's Ambition: Kakushin w/ Power-Up Kit (Koei) 17./18. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) 18./14. [NDS] Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) 19./10. [WII] Winning Eleven Play Maker 2008 (Konami) 20./15. [NDS] Jirou Akagawa Mystery: Nocturne: The Invited Killer (Marvelous Entertainment) 21./11. [NDS] Keroro Gunsou 3: Adventure in the Sky! (Bandai-Namco) 22./19. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) 23./20. [NDS] Taiko Drum Master DS (Bandai-Namco) 24./21. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) 25./28. [NDS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo) 26./25. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven: Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (Konami) 27./17. [PS3] Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Capcom) 28./39. [PS2] Yakuza 2 (Sega) 29./35. [NDS] Kanji Brain Test 2.5M (IE Institute) 30./26. [NDS] Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 2nd Season (Konami) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on March 13, 2008, 04:06:58 PM Februrary's NPD numbers are in:
Quote Hardware PlayStation 2 351.8K PlayStation 3 280.8K PlayStation Portable 243.1K Xbox 360 254.6K Nintendo DS 587.6K Wii 432K Top 10 SW 360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE* ACTIVISION 7-Nov 296.2K 360 DEVIL MAY CRY 4* CAPCOM USA 8-Feb 295.2K WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA 7-Feb 289.7K PS3 DEVIL MAY CRY 4* CAPCOM USA 8-Feb 233.5K WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK* ACTIVISION 7-Oct 222.9K NDS MARIO AND SONIC: OLYMPIC GAMES SEGA OF AMERICA 8-Jan 205.6K 360 LOST ODYSSEY MICROSOFT 8-Feb 203.6K 360 TUROK TOUCHSTONE 8-Jan 197.7K PS2 GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK* ACTIVISION 7-Oct 183.8K 360 ROCK BAND* MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS 7-Nov 161.8K The 360 continued to lose ground last month, but MS execs are now claiming to have the supply issues worked out. Conspiracy theorists are speculating that MS has been holding some units back in anticipation of GTAIV's launch next month. The Wii is still doing crazy numbers despite never being in stock anywhere, and the PS2 is still going strong as well. Lost Odyssey had decent sales for an RPG on the 360, and COD4 continuing to be the top seller this long after release is a bit surprisng. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on March 14, 2008, 01:44:27 PM The DS selling DOUBLE what the PSP sold is.. woah. Hell, its nearly selling double the PS3.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on March 14, 2008, 01:47:52 PM Unfortunately, DS game sales in America for third parties is pretty bad. Ahem, third parties that aren't making total kiddy games. And no, I'm not pulling this out of thin air. I've spoken to a number of companies that make DS games because it's reasonably easy to break even (read: Even with the lower costs at least we're not in the red) because of the crap margin due to cartridges, packaging, and licensing.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on March 14, 2008, 01:49:18 PM ^^ Stop being a Sony fanboy/apologist.
You actually make me feel bad about actually buying any games for my PSP with this kinda shit. Seriously. If we were to follow your line of thinking the PSP is even worse since all anyone ever talks about using their PSPs for is emulation to the point many sites' PSP game thread always has the question and answer of "I have to upgrade the firmware and thus break my emuwarezness? No sale". Please stop. I'M BEGGING YOU. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on March 14, 2008, 01:51:55 PM ^^ Stoo being a Sony fanboy. You actually make me feel bad about actually buying any games for my PSP with this kinda shit. Seriously. PSP games have high margin and are easy to make money on. If that makes you feel better. Edit: What I mean is that Sony made a third-party friendly process (including the cost of UMDs) compared to the way overpriced cartridges Nintendo pimped. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on April 17, 2008, 08:03:33 PM I am too ashamed to even post the NPD numbers for this month.
Like. I don't even know what to say. 500k? I could've understood that. But 721k? What the fuck are people playing? Now I'm serious. I really, really don't understand what they're playing. It can't still be Wii Sports. But then, America did vote Bush in. Twice. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: sigil on April 17, 2008, 08:33:06 PM THere's as many Wii Titles on most displays as 360 and PS3. sometimes more.
Granted most of them are total shit, but it's probably spread out to the Nintendo games and one or two others, like at our house. Nowadays, My son plays more wii games, and I"m spending more time on handhelds and the PC. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: sidereal on April 17, 2008, 09:23:01 PM 500k? I could've understood that. But 721k? What the fuck are people playing? Pardon? I was too distracted playing Super Smash Bros to hear the question. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on April 18, 2008, 01:42:50 AM 500k? I could've understood that. But 721k? What the fuck are people playing? Pardon? I was too distracted playing Super Smash Bros to hear the question. You and 2.7 million other people apparently. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on April 18, 2008, 08:30:44 AM But 721k? What the fuck are people playing? Now I'm serious. I really, really don't understand what they're playing. It can't still be Wii Sports. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Guitar Hero 3. Metroid Prime: Corruption. Super Mario Galaxy. Wii Play. And next month both MLB 2k8 and Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 will factor into the sales numbers, though they won't be as big as the others, because the system finally got 2 decent (but slightly gimped) popular sports franchises that weren't Madden. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on April 18, 2008, 02:16:39 PM I'm actually more shocked by the DS vs. PSP numbers. Even with the PSP having two games in the top ten for the month with God of War and FFVII: Crisis Core, the DS still completely destroyed the PSP in sales, 698k to 297k (the DS didn't have a single game in the top ten).
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: schild on April 18, 2008, 02:18:27 PM I'm actually more shocked by the DS vs. PSP numbers. Even with the PSP having two games in the top ten for the month with God of War and FFVII: Crisis Core, the DS still completely destroyed the PSP in sales, 698k to 297k (the DS didn't have a single game in the top ten). People buy things other people are buying. It took people like 3 to realize the Spice Girls sucked. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Nija on April 18, 2008, 02:47:55 PM Too bad they don't officially track R4DS sales!
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on April 21, 2008, 03:30:52 PM I'm actually more shocked by the DS vs. PSP numbers. Even with the PSP having two games in the top ten for the month with God of War and FFVII: Crisis Core, the DS still completely destroyed the PSP in sales, 698k to 297k (the DS didn't have a single game in the top ten). People buy things other people are buying. It took people like 3 to realize the Spice Girls sucked. Well, popularity is what sold the original NES over the superior Master System or a Commodore 64. It's what sold shitty PCs over Amigas. Its just in this case, the popularity is DESERVED. The DS has a good price, and its a much better system overall than the PSP. No need for screen protectors or a screen cover. Longer battery life. A killer suite of games. No disk loads. Price matters as much as specs do, if not moreso. Same thing with the Wii, except its game selection is kinda assy. (But to be honest, the 360 and PS3 have assy games too. Their assy games just cost more and are aimed at Frat Gamers.) Your finger just isn't on the pulse of gaming dude. Neither is mine, but I am well aware of that. (Fuckin EA. Fucking FPS. Fucking RTS. Fucking Gangster Shit.) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on May 15, 2008, 03:05:52 PM April NPD's are up:
Quote Hardware PlayStation 2 124.4K PlayStation 3 187.1K PSP 192.7K Xbox 360 188.0K Wii 714.2K Nintendo DS 414.8K Top 10 VG Titles - April'08 360 GTA IV 1.85mm Wii Mario Kart w/ wheel 1.12mm PS3 GTA IV 1.00mm Wii Play 360K Wii Super Smash Bros. Brawl 326K PS3 Gran Turismo 5: Prologue 224K DS Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness 202K DS Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time 202K Wii Guitar Hero III 152K 360 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 141K Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Miasma on May 15, 2008, 06:49:55 PM Holy Wii.
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on May 16, 2008, 02:27:34 AM Holy Wii. Yep. A lot of people are shocked that 360 and PS3 sales actually dropped despite GTA IV being available at the end of the month. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2008, 08:20:28 AM And not counting Wii Play, the Wii still had 3 of the top 10 games, while all the other systems had 2.
Attach rate? What's that? Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: MisterNoisy on May 16, 2008, 09:45:47 AM Attach rate? What's that? The number of games sold per console in the marketplace. (Unless you were being facetious, in which case I think the 360 still leads in that particular metric) Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: HaemishM on May 16, 2008, 10:25:13 AM You have fallen into the sarchasm! You take over 9,000 points of damage! :drill:
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on May 16, 2008, 02:01:31 PM I think most every developer is starting to hate themselves now. Spending way more money to make games on the upper tier systems while the Wii and DS just crush everyone.
Maybe they will start putting their A list developers and actually advertising their good games for it now instead of catering to the GTA, Halo, and Madden crowd. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Azazel on May 16, 2008, 07:45:27 PM Weren't we speculating on that exact point a year ago?
Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Jain Zar on May 19, 2008, 07:20:02 PM Weren't we speculating on that exact point a year ago? Most likely. You can't expect anyone with an MBA to make SMART decisions can you? Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Velorath on June 13, 2008, 01:28:53 AM May NPD's:
Quote HW PlayStation 3 208.7K PlayStation Portable 182.3K Xbox 360 186.6K Wii 675.1K Nintendo DS 452.6K SW Top 10 Top 10 SKU's May 2008 Rank # Units (includes CE, GOTY editions, bundles, etc.) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) APR 2008 1 871.3K WII MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA APR 2008 2 787.4K WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA MAY 2008 3 687.7K PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) APR 2008 4 442.9K WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 5 294.6K WII SUPER SMASH BROS: BRAWL NINTENDO OF AMERICA MAR 2008 6 171.1K PS2 IRON MAN SEGA OF AMERICA APR 2008 7 130.6K WII GUITAR HERO III: LEGENDS OF ROCK W/ WIREACTIVISION (CORP) OCT 2007 8 116.8K NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: EXPLORERS OF DARKNESS NOA APR 2008 9 107K NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: EXPLORERS OF TIME NOA APR 2008 10 102K Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Margalis on June 13, 2008, 03:07:15 AM Predictions of the Wii's imminent demise remind me of Geldon and his predictions that WOW would crash any second now...
Sometimes you have to just allow for the fact that "ZOMG I HATE THIS!" doesn't translate into consumers not buying. Title: Re: Sales Numbers Post by: Merusk on June 13, 2008, 08:32:44 AM It's gonna crash any day now! Yep, any day. You just keep watching, it's only been a year and a half. It's all about the long-haul, not the sprint.
Yep. :oh_i_see: |