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I will probably be bringing an alt into f13, and a couple friends as well. Post your char name if you have interest in joining f13 corp. Space can be a lonely place without corp chat :)

We've got f13 chat to stave off loneliness, but f13corp sounds like fun. I'm "Bhodi B"

Nixel Ridan :awesome_for_real:

Are all of you people on US time? I'm perhaps not a noob skillpointwise, but I am in pvp experience and wouldn't mind some casual pewpew.

Helen Highwater but I'm on hiatus until the new year.

Irek Dabry, or Mezz Orla.. mostly Irek.


I'd be up for some PvP but probably won't be able to do it while in the corp. Though I'm going to help some friends of mine get started first. :)

If it's going to be neutral in the whole war thing I've got an alt with gallente cruiser V, vast learning skills and almost nothing else that I'd like to join in with.  Especially if there's small gang PvP fun to be had, since I am useless at that.

Anyone good on the scanner? I've done some soloing in my day, but I must say my scanning leaves something to be desired. Some guys amaze me how fast they can pluck ravens out of the belts.

I've never tried it, but I've got those FPS reflexes.. what's required?

I think I'll give the game a try. My ingame name is bhodikhan.

linking to my own scanning tutorial (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=9045.msg258711#msg258711)
You can google for others. There's some videos somewhere.

In short, you need to be aware of the system geography, both in general and specifically. You need to be able to rotate the camera quickly and accurately. You need a decent collection of overview presets. You need a little luck. SP is not a factor, nor is a decent computer.

Hell, my link there isn't very good.

Hit CTL+F11 or use the UI button by your tactical overlay to open the scanner. Switch to the Directional tab.
Create an overview setting that only has ships on it. Set the range on the scanner to max by entering repeating 9s until you fill up the range box. It'll autoadjust the range to 14 au which is the max scan range.

To identify a target:
1. Set the slider to 360 and range to max. Click scan.
2. If you don't see anything, warp at least 14 au away and goto 1.
3. If you do see an enemy ship on scan, narrow your angle to 180 and scan all four quadrants of the arc (yes, you get overlap. This is a good thing.) Based on this, you should be able to figure out which quadrant the target is in.
4. Narrow your angle again and point at celestials in the active quadrant until you figure out where your target is.
5. Warp to target. If you guessed wrong, goto 3.

I mix this procedure up based on the system I'm in: with 3 belts and no stations, you can make a lot of simplifying assumptions. If you vary the range to figure out how far away your target is, you can eliminate the celestials outside of that range. It helps to warp where you think it is likely your target is hiding (a gate, a station, a planet, a belt).

My own ghetto technique was to scan nearest belts, if target is in that area start a warp to any belt within scan range. In the middle of the warp i start like rotating and doing 60 scans toward different areas until I narrowed it down to a 15 or 30. Warp in and tackle. You know which belt because you have belts show up on your overview for scouting, and have the scanner use those settings. Once it says Raven and Asteriod Belt V - 1 , you know where to go :)

Like I said...ghetto.

After the F13 corp folds due to lack of interest, if any of you still want to PvP I'll get you into my corp.  :heart:

Scanning is a bitch, I'll most likely resub and possibly bring a friend around new years.  At that point I'll spend the first week trying to find my stuff and you guys, then I'll play for awhile, and 85% I'll quit after 3 weeks.  I just cannot find the fun I know is there if I could get immersed in the game universe.  Something to do with lack of pewpew, shiney, jumping and playing dress up w/ my character...

CCP should make Ambulation include jumping, climbing, and freakin' hanging from the ceiling in order to trump all other games.

Trial character is named Vendann, I am interested to try an MMO with some of the F13 names I have become familiar with.

Ok first thing needed is an office location. Then we need someone that has officer roles to start accepting apps. Try to post info here for all.

Just setup an office in Olo, on Olo III - Moon 1.

If someone gets on that's already in the corp and is in other-than-Caldari-space let me know and I'll grant access to rent an office.

Join the f13 channel!

Edit: I was pointed do a good updated character creation guide: http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Basic_Character_Creation

it's really a shame the rest of the wiki is member's only :(

Oh, for any other info just ask those of us with access to the GF member pages: me, Comstr, Simond, LC, Joe.. just about anyone.

For really good newbie training (GF is, famously, all about the newbies) try the goonfleet training videos, which we made available for anyone to use:

Tackling 101  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PayTWKxtn6I)
Safespotting 101  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtAgtrp4Uj0)
Overview Settings  (http://youtube.com/watch?v=W-wL8bGCWCQ)
0.0 Mining  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNIq4KLXyI) Undock Checklist
Scanning 101  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99kRIbp4FBQ)
Interdictors 101 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoR7mhyWe8)
Production 101  (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnUoAqyrmLg)
Fleet Ops 101  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N6ZCCES5ak)
Fleet Ops 102  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7m3AuXd6K0)

Edit: I signed up with a newish alt I have been training towards gallente hacs.  Unfortunately he  is kinda focussed: gallente frigate and cruiser V, learning skills, a but of gunnery and not much else yet.  A gallente pilot 12 days from HACs but with 10k drone skills  :awesome_for_real:.  I'll round him out a bit earlier than I had planned (evemon and lapsed account skill training do not a rounded character make), but don't be folled by his history dates :)

Sounds like you be flying deimos instead of ish :)

Yep.  Though with gallente getting such a hammering recently the motivation has dropped a bit.  Undergunned vexors will do...

I fly a gallente HAC. With HAC Level 5 trained and the ships drone bonus it's quite a powerful ship.

ishtars didnt get touched, they still own

I refer the right honourable gentleman to the comment I made some minutes previously, regarding my current ten thousand drone skill points.  For now, it is more feasible to think of ishkurs than ishtars.  I doubt that swooping on the prey in my mighty HAC and unveiling three merrily buzzing warrior Is is going to strike him with fear  :-)

When my drone skills were sub par, and I had Gall HAC i flew a deimos cause the guns hurt.

Who am i kidding: I'll fly a thorax.  Gallente cruiser 5 will make that work just fine.  I'll just have to put up with being able to replace the ship I lose in every fight on almost full insurance...  :awesome_for_real:

I'll go ahead and join up as long as I get to start on the Red side once in a while.

Actually I spent a bit of time running some missions today with my Caldari HAC (Cerberus). I'm torn between the drone bonus of the Gallente HAC and the very nice damage from the Cerb.  Drones are great but if you're not careful they like to aggro everything sometimes. Not good.

I just started playing again this weekend.  Names Draegano in game.  I have no idea what I'm doing in the game but it's holding my interest for more than 3 days which is a new record for EVE.

Yeah, I don't know how drone boats run some of the L4 missions: i imagine some must just be impossible.  In some where you can pick off groups of enemies with sniping, the whole room will aggro if you launch drones, which can mean 45 ships, including c.15 battleships, who do not de-aggro but immediately proceed to attack the foolish drone user as soon as they recover their rapidly melting drones.

You guys need a killboard!

If we have webspace I've set up the pubbie KB software a few times.  But first, we'd have to actually do something that involves kills.

Here's a scanning video from an ex-corpie of mine:
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ryysa/scanning3.wmv (mirror (http://fails.rainsite.net/scanning3.wmv))

You may or may not wish to install ScanAid (http://eve.grismar.net/scanaid/). I myself found that just by looking at the screenshot (http://eve.grismar.net/scanaid/shot.gif) offline, it gave me a much better idea of how much arc 60 degrees really is. (Hint: not much.)

So which one of you small-gang specialists is going to volunteer to run some pewpew?

And how many people here actually signed up and are looking for got gang-on-gang action?

PS If the worst comes to the worst I'll FC, but we'd all be learning together.  Plus, my problem has always been finding realistic targets to shoot at.  The few non-convoy gangs I have run seem to spend 3 hours wandering through lowsec while a succession of potential targets see my (non-GF) character (in a probing buzzard) jump alone into their system and seem to think "hey, a solitary character with positive sec status who is a member of a known anti-pirate alliance: time to dock up!"

I run one if need be, but will probably consist of us taking on a very weak gate camp just to get the blood pumping. Finding targets isn't hard, but finding targets that won't just blob or wtfpwn us will be. Maybe a little Sunday PVP run?

P.S. - And remember, doesn't matter if you are Bob/Fix/Goon/Tri/empire trader ... you can make an 800k fighter with small hybrid/projectile 5 and gunnery 5 just from character creation. So make a guy and join us ....

Just tell me the time and I'll be there.

Sunday is fine by me, too.  I'm in euroworld, so by 2400 Eve time I am off to sleep, but anything up to mid evening EST is fine by me.  I really want to try out this thorax.

I should be around as well, hopefully this works out.  This corp has been pretty boring so far.  :grin:

You're doing it wrong. Pew pew should be happening all the time. Head out solo if you can't get a gang together. Worst case, you'll die; best case, you'll loot something from a wreck you stumble across (you wouldn't believe what people leave lying around); on average, you'll hone your running away and tackling skills more. Can you hold a point on someone until they decide to deaggress or someone with decent dps logs in? Can you scan someone down in a belt and distinguish empty ships at POS? Isk is not EXP. It's not mandatory to gather a big bunch together before PvP.

The guidance I gave new players in SLCG was to get T2 small guns and frigate V unless they're very dedicated players. Cruisers with T1 guns seem like an amazing deal (fully insurable!), but the cost of cruiser insurance exceeds the cost of a few T2 smalls and the upfront costs are prohibitive (5M vs. 700k). In addition, a frig with level V frigate and T2 smalls will do at least 2/3 of the damage of a cruiser with unnamed T1 guns, give or take depending on fitting, plus the frigate gets all the natural advantages of the hull: agility, speed, scan res (<3), and signature. That makes the frigate less likely to die when faced with overwhelming odds. Perfect example: myself in a Hurricane and two Vagabonds found a Thorax and a Jaguar in a belt a couple weeks ago (pretty sure they were pirating themselves, but who knows?). There's no way that fight goes against us, no matter what kind of fabulous tactics the Thorax and Jaguar execute. The Jaguar got away because we couldn't get a point on him before he warped. The Thorax popped. I'm not condoning the use of assault frigs at their current price levels, mind, but the point about frigate survivability should be clear. Incidentally, if we'd had a 1M SP noob in a frig with a MWD and 20k scram, we could have gotten that Jaguar, too. I'm looking at you, new guys.

This is not to say that low SP players can't be effective in larger ships. It just requires sinking some isk into good named mods. Best named blasters still pwn, and arbalest HAMs and torps are good too. Arbalest HMLs are nice, too, but damned if I can justify that price.

The problem with telling noobs "Hey just go pew pew" is they don't know rules of aggro at gates, low sec, where to expect gate camps and how to use your map to find where to avoid/seek out.  They will get their T1 frigate owned constantly, and its not a ton of fun to go....well great lets refit another.  They don't have a lot of disposible income to just throw away ships.

In a pack and on voice comms they will learn twice as fast how you are supposed to PVP.  We may catch a battlecruiser alone and swarm him, and then take his loot. A tech II kill or two would pay for every frigate we took out that day.

But what we need is people joining f13 corp and chat, and really showing some initiative to learn to pew pew. Sign your name here, say you want to join us/help. You lurkers/posters around here take some time out from your big alliances and stop by for some fighting with an alt of yours. 


Sunday, 4pm EST: F13 Wolfpack Hunt

Bring a frigate or a cruiser. Expect it to go boom by the end of the night. I'll hook people up with some isk to cover loses. Please, post saying if you are going to come help...as well as your relative experience level...Come on peeps step on up!


Slayerik - Rifter or Stabber - Experienced in small gangs, not the best scout/scanner


Making new thread here : http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=11624.0

Once you're consistently running Level 1 missions it's easy to drum up the cash for a new frigate in an hour or so.

We need you all. Service guarantees citizenship.

Yeah, ask The Groundskeeper (my alt) for cash if you are needed.  Ill be happy to dispense largesse to my F13 homies.

Also, for insanely profitable missions run lowsec level 1 agents.  I have never even been targetted running minmatar republic fleet agents in lowsec, and the missions pay out six figures per go with zero social skills, so you could literally afford to lose an insured rifter on every second one, not loot, and still make some money.

You can hit me up as well. Vedi in game as well.

Well, 90% of surviving in 0.0 is knowing how to run back to the gate. If you jump into enemies, right click on the gate and add as next waypoint. Approach the gate and immediately engage your MWD and autopilot. You'll jump on through and foolish enemies will be stuck on the other side. Smart enemies can follow you through, so rinse and repeat until you can warp off safely.

I still think setting up shop in NPC 0.0 by empire is the way to go for the new player.

Didn't even know NPC 0.0 existed, thought it was all fought over by corps.

In a sense, it kinda is. The difference is that there are non-conquerable stations and its impossible to get official sovereignty. Doesn't stop corps/alliances from claiming it as their space...just makes it harder because the enemy can dock up at any time.

Man, been playing this game for a few weeks now and I still feel like I'm a total newb that has no idea whats going on.  :uhrr:

That's the beauty of it :)

I have been playing on and off for a long time, and I could NOT tell you anything about research, manufacturing, moon mining, exploring, invention.....

Edit: Added 'not' to make sense

Heh, I think I might be ready to start dabbling around in 0.0 but I have a feeling for a while it's going to just be a lot of me warping somewhere, getting blown up, and then trying to figure out where I went wrong.

I'll say it again: wait til Tri leave Providence and then head there.  With the NRDS policy that CVA enforce it's a great place to learn about 0.0.

Thaaats pretty much the only part of that I'm confident I understand.  :oh_i_see:

Oops, sorry.  Providence is a region in Eve.  It is conquerable 0.0 but is right next to empire space.  Tri are Triumvirate, a large and effective Pvping alliance who are currently focussing on Providence and most of its residents.  CVA (Curatores Veritas Alliance) are the dominant alliance in Providence, and they enforce a Not Red Don't Shoot policy, which means that anyone they haven't explicitly set as an enemy (with negative standings) can do what they like in CVA space.

how long do you think we'll have to wait?

TRI aren't heading out anytime soon.

I'm thinking we should focus our attention to the East/Northeast or Northwest...

My only blues are in GW/Curse, so any part of the North works. I haven't been up that way in a while, personally. What part of the East did you have in mind? Looks mostly blue to RSF to me.

Well I was thinking Great Wildlands ...but...meh.

My other idea is check out M-o (Taisy) and p3(Obe), then EC (torrinos) and 93PI (Saranen)

Some noob alts in these places would be helpful, I have one currently.


And it shouldnt matter who we fight, noone will be flying any big alliance flags (We'll be on alts).

N-RAEL is usually camped fairly hard, and we are just outside RA/Goon space on that side, so it might be them doing the camping. I've sniffed about in the NPC stations around the Derelik entrance, and there seems to be lots of different people around there. I think I have a jump cloned around there so I could sniff about a bit.

Someone figure out where we are staging so I can go setup and office and pre-place some frigates. :)

Edit: I'll put this in the other thread.

I think the standard idea is to "Fly up to a group of ships and piss them off". Then "launch drones". Hopefully you kill the group you're on in time to recall your drones before they can be fired on by the guys halfway across the room THEY aggroed, and let the next wave latch onto you before releasing the drones again.

You can fit a mean-ass tank on a drone boat, especially when your drone skills are high enough that you don't use guns.

i posted nightspawn/D. Trixx

Most concise post ever.  Do we have an award for that?

Thank god Nightspawn came out of the shadows with that enlightening post! ;)

I may have posted in the wrong thread earlier. I'm danny B, I live with Schild. I started a new EVE dude named Willie McSnugglebunny. Hit me up with some l33t advicez if you want.

-danny B

Join us in the F13 channel!

Please, merciful God, let every part of that post be true.

Hilarity.

ZynnLee Akkori - noob toon.

Zetleft, resup with a decent amount of skills and zero good ships :P

If you fly Minmatar or Amarr, I have some BPs you might want. ANd just holler at me in game and ill get ya some cash.

Yeah I'm Minmatar.  I'll catch ya in game.

Just resubbed.

Sebiestor Helm.

Will try to jumpclone back to empire tonight.

Not looking forward to moving 28 jumps away from the old F13 stomping grounds.  I really should just liquidate every single thing I have.

Heh yeah it wasn't fun for me either.

HELM wb!!!

I got podded when I tried to sneak out of the station I was hibernating in.

Guess what ?

Since my clone in their facility could not be activated (still have a JC there, though) I awoke in the station with the Bat Country office. I sent my podder a "Thank you" message :-)

I hate to necro a thread but you guys sound like you are having way to good of a time. My newbie amarr is Lanye Wanae.

What does that mean to "necro" a thread?

Welcome back Hal!  :heart:

It refers to necromancy (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/necromancy) or raising of the dead and such.  So, to necro a thread is to bring it back to front after it "died" (went inactive for a long time).

Er, since my cover's been blown and some of you haven't noticed, I'm playing as Samson Savage.  I've probably already bugged you in the F13 channel.

<--Lala QD, I'll be upping my newbierific account here in the next day or so to pew pew with ya'll on weekends.

I reapplied to the F13 corp. :hello_thar:

You have been reaccepted  :pedobear:

Have I been reaccepted?  :pedobear:

The f13 channel is quite active these days. Nice to have a channel with the blink going constantly, even if it is Nelke crying about noone joining his gangs! ;)

Which character? I see Alasara in BAT already.

Reapped as Maaya, (Couldn't hack the lack of isk :pedobear:)
I'm so glad to be reaccepted.

Now, are those Corp Drakes for sale if so how much?  :grin:

ditto

The Drakes are available to everyone for the price of insurance *if* they are going to be used in PvP.

If you are going to carebear it with them you can buy them, convo me in game. (Irek Dabry)

I've had a horrible month of gaming ennui -- when you have three paid game subs and a beta and you're watching food network reruns it's bad. A trial to Eve put an end to that really quickly and I ended up reactivating my old (5.8 million) account. As a miner industrialist concerned about her security rating, I'm not sure I'd be a good fit for the pirate life, but I'm lurking in the channel as Kharai.

Every good pirate needs a billionaire industrialist to privately finance him.

You know, since I'm now a big orange security threat on the overview, I bet gankers think a little bit more before trying to harass my barge.

Just a theory.

I'm trying this again - EVE name is Deldrac.

I'm a Gallente drone whore, if that makes any odds.

How do I get hooked up with the leet f13 channel and/or corp again?

Join the channel "F13" and head to sankkasen, science and trade institute and request to join.

Well, downloaded and ran through the first 12 missions or so in the recommended Caldari "PVE" build. Not too shabby I guess, though of course meh, it was PVE.

Willing to do my PVP character inline with whatever the PVP crew needs, build/ship wise, so any career/build paths recommended by the "leaders"? What is lacking in the setup that you normally have, and what do I need to char select/train/practice/buy to get there for ya?

What's your character name and I'll send you some starting funds?

Re skills, the great thing about eve is that you can choose the sort of route that excites you, go down that a bit, learn about stuff you decide you like more and most often leverage what you've learned into that.  That said, the first really useful stuff new characters can do that really influences fights is tackling with warp jammers and webs to hold down targets, followed by ECM, which as a Caldari you're well placed for (you probably have the skills to fly a decent griffin, the Caldari ECM frigate, already).

For specific training paths, the goonfleet open pages have good advice: http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Recommended_Skill_Training_Guide

Right--already did all of the basic research from here, specifically the guides and such. What I'm more curious about is what does Bat Country need, right now, that folks aren't really too interested in doing? I would imagine you can only have so many tacklers/webbers before they are getting in each other's way?

One thing I did find a bit puzzling is figuring out paths to get the "right" skills post character creation--there are so many options out there for ships, fits, implants, etc. etc. that I don't really know yet which manuals to buy to get on the right skill up paths right off the bat. It's starting to make sense though ;)

I haven't created my pvp character yet--figured I'd do PVE a bit (first night or two anyway) to get a feel for the game itself so I could even know what I liked/didn't like. So far, the missions are leading me down the missile boat path--just finished up getting a Kestrel with 3 shield regen/3 missile launch points. I think I'm liking shield tanking, but honestly not too sure, since missiles and close up tanking obviously don't make a lot of sense. Of course, good shield tanking probably requires BS+ to fit in all of the various bennies, but I'll figure that out I guess when I get there.

Will take a look at the griffon--didn't see anything about it in the missions so far (went through the first two ship pretty quick, on to the second for a while, and then just got the kestrel before server shut down).

Will let you guys know tomorrow what my PVP guy's name is. So far, not having a big issue with credits on the farmer--missions seem to be taking him through pretty easily--my only death was due to the "It's a trap!" smartbomb mission that kind of sucked.

Think I need to figure out how to align with a warp gate, or something to that effect for those rapid escapes ;)

As long as you don't use separate accounts there isn't really much point in training both a pve and a pvp character. 90% of the support skills will be same for both. There are things like EW or specific ships you will only use in pvp or salvaging and tractor beams which you will use mostly in pve but if you create two chars on the same account you will gimp both.

Kiting works wonders if you are long range fit and you want to make sure you can make a quick escape. As soon as you land on grid, doubleclick right next to a station in space to make your ship travel in that direction. Use your afterburner to dictate your optimal range and start picking of the rats that follow you. This way you can warp out in seconds to the station you are facing, traversal is minimised (not very important for a caldari char, I suppose) and you will minimise the damage you take because short range ships will have trouble hitting you.

Shield tanking is great in missions because your shields auto recharge as soon as you dock in a station, armor tanks have to run their reps in space to heal up which takes time and can be quite annoying when you are running a hard mission in which you have to warp out a couple of times to repair your ship.

As to pvp, usually the slot layout of your preferred ship will decide whether you shield or armor tank. In your eve career you will be doing them both so its not a bad idea to train up the basics on both of them.

What Bat Country needs the most is people who are having a good time in eve. Figure out what you like to fly, fly it on the ops and hang out.

Have you thought of fitting shield extenders instead of shield regen? It helped me to pew pew more instead of waiting for my cap to recharge and warping in/out. Also, if you ask, I'm sure someone in BAT or F13 would hit you up with some basic reactor controls so you can fit your fourth high slot.

I can't remember if BAT has anyone training towards an interdictor right now.  So long as you don't completely straight-line it, you can have fun and train useful/enjoyable stuff (like inties) along the way.  But Interdictors are really useful...

I'll be in a sphere launching sabre in about a month

I'm glad this thread was necro'd, because I couldn't find the name of the chat channel anywhere but here. It was so simple!

Whoa, I am closer to interdictors than I thought. I might be able to pick up the skill on my way to HAC/Command ships.

I have been for over a week now actaully, but it's a long train with Destroyers V, Caldadri Frigate V, Evasive Manuvering V, Engineering V and Propulsion Jamming V.  But thats my current heading, straight to flying a Flycatcher and picking up the stuff along the way.

Ok, my PvP guy is Sun Tzoo 

Couple of questions:

--how do I join the F13 channel--can I do it from anywhere, or do I have to be somewhere specific?

--is there any way to transfer funds/items between two characters on the same account trivially? Have 500k isk and some fittings on my guy from last night I'd like to trade over to the new guy (better name, slightly different char build).

Just click on the left sidebar, "chat channels" button. Select "join channel" and type in f13. That's where we entertain spies.

In People and Places on the left, search for character "******" and then Right Click "Give money"

Does not work on trial-accounts btw.

They can receive money, but can't give it away.

Speaking of which. I had an idea for trading items to an alt that doesn't involve corps hanger access. If I parked a secure pw'd container somewhere  could my alt loot it safely if he has the pw? I dont care about him going kos to my main as they will never meet.

This might be a stupid question, but why dont you simply trade them to your alt with a contract?

Last time I accidently opened the contract menu it said I didnt have the skills I thought. So, I don't know much about contracts. I'll look into them.