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Title: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 01, 2007, 11:01:30 AM Yaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr. Be pissing here.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 11:25:12 AM This site is too biased towards RPG's to make any kind of definitive top 20 from everyone's lists....
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 01, 2007, 11:30:30 AM The telling thing about the lists is that there are hellsa PC games compared to consoles, or at least it seemed that way to me. This is doubly true if you take away the C64 oldie stuff.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: rattran on December 01, 2007, 01:12:02 PM Lots of console games just don't stand up over time. Some do, but not many.
And there were quite a few things that were so new as to be amazing when they came out for the c64 and pc. My list is biased as I didn't own a console for about 15 years, never got the lurve for the nes/snes/n64. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 01, 2007, 01:52:16 PM I grew up on the NES/Genesis/SNES/N64, and my list is still Heavily biased towards PC.
I mean, FFS, I didn't get a PC of my own until my second year of high school. I don't think I built one for myself until my second year of college. I cannot explain my list, which is still subject to change. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 03:08:39 PM I'm surprised that someone actually played "Tecmo Bowl" on the PC, let alone there even being one in the first place.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 01, 2007, 03:31:43 PM Given that this is a MMORPG centric site PC over-representation makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Venkman on December 01, 2007, 03:40:05 PM Anyone got an actual list?
I personally don't. Used to, but my preferences keep evolving. Which is odd, because I'm pretty set in what my top five books and movies are. Something about the constant evolution of games, tech and markets keeps me looking forward. I really only have a right now list. And it's too predictable to be worth posting. And it's not 20 games long. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 04:08:01 PM I'm not too big on making "best of" lists of anything, but I'm fairly certain that at least 15 of my top 20 are about as good an estimation as I could do. The rest could be trumped by sequels or successors (the Grand Theft Autos, the Devil May Crys, etc).
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 01, 2007, 04:09:28 PM Then list the sequels or successors.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 04:10:29 PM Uh, haven't played them.. I'm just saying.. DMC4 could be better than DMC3, but I don't know that yet.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 01, 2007, 04:10:56 PM This isn't about teh futar.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 04:14:26 PM You're losing me. Basically, I'm just saying that a game like DMC belongs on my list. By a "game like", I mean a 3D hack n slash/beat em up. As far as I'm concerned, DMC3 is the pinnacle. That could very well change, possibly by God of War 3 or DMC4 or Ninja Gaiden 2, but I don't know that yet. I'm not stuck in the past or anything, and would update that list if one of those games manages to trump it.
It's kind of irrelevant, I guess. I shouldn't have said anything. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Roac on December 01, 2007, 06:53:03 PM My list includes everything from today, to back until I first played a 2600 when I was a kid. They're all games that made a huge impression on me, that I enjoyed, and changed something about how I view gaming. There are also a lot of PC games on the later items, because I didn't have a PC when I was a kid, then quit on consoles for about two generations. Other people's lists will include great games that may have been on my list, had I played them at the time. Nothing wrong with anyone else's lists, they're just not mine.
btw, I'm surprised at the large number of Archon fans. It was imbalanced a bit, but rocked at the time. I'd love a remake of some sort. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 01, 2007, 06:55:38 PM I couldn't come up with any Atari or Colecovision games to put on the list. Maybe Combat. I played that at the New York City Musem of Television and Film (or something like that) recently and it was fun...I also got my ass kicked by the girl I was with who had never played it before.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: trias_e on December 01, 2007, 09:10:45 PM I'm surprised that anyone other than me put down Earthbound. You guys rock.
I'm surprised no one else put Tetris Attack. I've missed out on alot of mandatory gaming experiences, from UFO to Ulitma, so my list is probably more incomplete than many others. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 01, 2007, 09:55:03 PM I've never played Earthbound unfortunately.
I prefer Dr. Mario over anything Tetris. It's all about the pills. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 01, 2007, 09:59:35 PM Quote I'm surprised no one else put Tetris Attack. Fucking great game, right on. If I were a betting man, you could say Tetris Grandmaster from Arika will end up on my list. But it won't. I also lose bets a lot. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sutro on December 01, 2007, 11:33:42 PM Y'know, maybe if I had played Torment when it first came out, I'd be a bigger fan of it... but it just seemed tedious when I loaded it up on Gametap.
I actually liked the 'novelization' much, much better than the actual game. Really, it seemed like it was an awesome story held back by mechanics not really suited for it. That said, I'm not sure if it's the age or not. I still cussed just as much at X-Com and HOMM3 when I loaded them up as I did 10 years ago. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Lt.Dan on December 01, 2007, 11:59:37 PM What about the Lucas Arts adventure games, Day of the Tentacle et al?
What about classics of C64 and Amiga gaming Racing Destruction Set, Phantasy, Dungeon Master, Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge? All awesome old school games. Sure they'd never stand the test of time, but I can't recall enjoying any games to the same degree. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: trias_e on December 02, 2007, 12:17:04 AM Quote I prefer Dr. Mario over anything Tetris. It's all about the pills. Tetris Attack is not Tetris. What it is is the best 1v1 multiplayer game ever made (that I've played of course). Quote Y'know, maybe if I had played Torment when it first came out, I'd be a bigger fan of it... but it just seemed tedious when I loaded it up on Gametap. I'm playing through Torment again right now, and it certainly has it's flaws. But it's more of an experience than a game. I think many people get turned off by how much the traditional game aspect has problems, which is fair. One thing: It does get better and better as you go along. So I wouldn't quit on it. Quote What about the Lucas Arts adventure games, Day of the Tentacle et al? I find that Grim Fandango and Curse of Monkey Island really perfected the style. I mean, DoTT, Full Throttle, and Sam and Max are absolutely pure win and would be in my top 50. But Grim Fandango IS art in gaming, and Curse of Monkey Island IS joy in gaming. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sutro on December 02, 2007, 01:36:48 AM Quote Y'know, maybe if I had played Torment when it first came out, I'd be a bigger fan of it... but it just seemed tedious when I loaded it up on Gametap. I'm playing through Torment again right now, and it certainly has it's flaws. But it's more of an experience than a game. I think many people get turned off by how much the traditional game aspect has problems, which is fair. One thing: It does get better and better as you go along. So I wouldn't quit on it. [/quote] Eh, I think I pooched that one by reading the novelization. I might try it again, though. TBH, playing with 2ED rules after being intimately familiar with 3/3.5 feels kind of like working with a stone hatchet after cutting logs with a laser saw. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sutro on December 02, 2007, 01:38:59 AM God, I totally forgot about the Total War series when I was making my list. :x To edit or not to edit... damn, Medieval was fun.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Wolf on December 02, 2007, 06:07:42 AM Why are most people choosing Fallout over Fallout 2? It's like choosing Starcraft instead of Broodwar - the original game is genius but the expansion/sequel built on that and made it so much better...
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 02, 2007, 07:01:16 AM I didn't make a list because it looked HAAAAARD. I'll just say that nearly every game I would have chosen is on someone's list already. None of them are MMORPGs.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Lucas on December 02, 2007, 07:49:43 AM I noticed a few ppl put in the good old "Gold Box" games: not only the traditional AD&D universe but also Buck Rogers: in a ideal, longer list, I would have put "Countdown to Doomsday" immediately after the top 20.
I chose "Pools of Darkness", the culminating end of the Forgotten Realms series, because it was really an epic: getting into the demi-gods realms, reaching very high levels, trouncing monsters with delayed blast fireballs...It was fantastic. I especially remember the frustration during the Zhentil Keep part, with all those resistant drow to battle :P. --- I think Dungeon Master (which I recently played for a bit) or Eye of the Beholder actually stand the test of time, maybe also because of their VERY colourful style, as well as because of the nice level design. One big genre that basically no one (or just a couple fellas) mentioned, is the text adventures games. What about The Pawn, Guild of Thieves, Knight Orc, Fish, Jinxter, Gateway, Alice in Wonderland, Corruption and others (Magnetic Scrolls, Rainbird, Infocom) I'm quite interested in playing them now: when they were popular, I was just a 7-8 years old italian kid who just started learning english in junior school. I remember messing around with them, but I obviously had no clue on what to do. --- I totally lack any knowledge of the console side of things :P. The only system I ever owned was a Dreamcast that basically fried itself a couple months after I bought it. During that time, I managed to play the holy triad Shenmue - Virtua Tennis 2 - Soul Calibur and they all ruled. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Roac on December 02, 2007, 09:32:17 AM Why are most people choosing Fallout over Fallout 2? It's like choosing Starcraft instead of Broodwar - the original game is genius but the expansion/sequel built on that and made it so much better... In my case, the selection of one of a series was based on which had the largest leap. For example, I can't complain at people who love Civ 2, but for me, Civ 4 is Nirvana while Civ 2 was "on the right track". I also don't think it was a leap enough from Civ 1 or MoM to make the list. Going the other way, I didn't feel that any of the other Dragon Warrior titles were revolutionary. Evolutionary yes, but not a large enough leap. Also, DW was my first RPG on a console, so was an introduction to all sorts of awesome, even though other titles did the genre much better. Same thing with Starcraft - Broodwar made it a better game, but it was more like a super-patch to me than a huge leap in gaming. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sutro on December 02, 2007, 11:22:41 AM I share the love of the old Gold Box, but for me, the old Neverwinter Nights on AOL was the pinnacle of it.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 02, 2007, 01:00:15 PM The reasons I didn't put down any text adventure games:
1. I plain forgot. 2. I don't think I could play one today for more than a few seconds. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Wolf on December 02, 2007, 01:08:48 PM The reasons I didn't put down any text adventure games: 1. I plain forgot. 2. I don't think I could play one today for more than a few seconds. I tried to play arcanum today. Since I put it on the list and hadn't played it for a while. I couldn't even play that one :( Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Daeven on December 02, 2007, 01:09:18 PM Agreed. While The Hitchhikers Guide was fantastic in 1982(?), using the the text parser today would cause me to go on a murderous rampage.
And we won't go into how I can't even READ the text in Darklands any more. :/ Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 02, 2007, 01:59:15 PM When I think about my favourite games, I tend to try and remember how I felt playing them at the time. Although something like Planescape Torment was incredibly fun, and is one of my favourite, it didn't make me feel as good playing it at the time as something like the first Ultima game or Wizardry. The old console games were especially fun for me. Seriously. I didn't care if I was playing or watching, Mario and Mega Man made my heart go boom boom. (http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/images/smilies/mario2.gif)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on December 02, 2007, 02:39:51 PM Heh, the amount of PC games is completely expected. I've had a PC just about the entire time I've had consoles and being a RPG fan, there's just certain types of RPGs that generally don't make it to console.
Fallout over Fallout 2 is a tough one. I generally liked the whole experience of Fallout 1 better than 2. 2 is the one I've mostly recently replayed even. Still, it's almost a coin flip. I'm not sure what massive improvements 2 brought, despite being just bigger. Both had their problems at launch. 1 had the time restriction with the water chip and 2 was just plain buggy and had bad loading issues. I'm having a little bit of a hard time with Disgaea 2 over Disgaea 1. Disgaea 2's combat and other systems were just a whole lot better. Almost like how Shadow Hearts 2's judgment wheel was better in every single way than the first ones. I suppose the reason could be similar to mine for Fallout 1. Some people could have just liked the story better with Laharl. My list I think has a different tone than some. There's really very little nostalgia. There's some games that just aren't there because I've gone back and played them and they fail to hold up (herro Chrono Trigger) or elicit a similar feeling to when I played them in the past. No game got any points for being first or innovative. The lack of FPS, RTS and platformers is mainly due to me not playing those genres a whole lot. Sports games are fun, but nothing has really been great to me before playing skate (I blame EA, which ironically put out skate). I guess my list is more about me as a gamer now, than my entire history as a gamer. MMOs don't make it. MMOs I rarely leave because I'm just "done". I leave because the game has become a chore to play or has gone in a direction that has left me wanting something I can't get. UO may have been great for me for a year and a half, but everything it's done since kicked it off the list. WoW would be on there if I could play the way I want to, I can't. :| Only way you beat a MMO is by canceling your subscription. Games I expect to be kicked off the list by their sequels: skate, Mass Effect (if it's not farmed out to Obsidian), Persona 3, and Disgaea 2. Refining the experience or just making it bigger and better will work rather well for these games. Screwing up the franchise will be really lamentable in these cases. Games I don't expect to even get close to predecessors I have listed: Deus Ex 3 (tall order) and Fallout 3 (I don't think Beth Soft can make interesting combat). There's really too many honorable mentions I'd like to list. Anyhow, some of these were fun to read. Some are just before my time. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 02, 2007, 02:47:10 PM I was a weird kid. My fondest memory of the NES was not Super Mario. Nor was it Zelda. What I remember is being seriously stoked about sniping in Golgo 13.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: rattran on December 02, 2007, 05:52:03 PM I think everyone's list sucks, except mine. :awesome_for_real:
And all those people with overlap to my list. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 02, 2007, 05:58:04 PM Golgo 13 was one fucked up game.
Your woman dies and all you care about is your custom gun that you can't even use in the game. It was cold man - cold! Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 02, 2007, 06:40:32 PM I tried to list games that I thought were either spectacular (even now), or shaped me as a gamer. If multiple games in a series qualified, I simply picked the best (as in the case of my NHL 08 pick).
Moreover, my list seems to be decidely mid-90s/early 21st century games. Sure, I may have gotten my NES back in '87 or so, and I may have played some of those games a lot, but... A lot of them just were not that memorable. Also, the 1-of-a-series rule will skew a lot of lists a bit, I am sure. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 02, 2007, 07:03:19 PM My list is basically 2 lists, my 5 favorite SNES games (1990-1995) release, two of which I never even owned for SNES I just rented them about a total of 75 times combined from Blockbuster -I could never find a copy of Ogre Battle nor Megaman Soccer. Those were the highlights of my gaming childhood, sure there were the earlier Mario's and the gold Zelda but the SNES versions were better in my mind. The rest of my list except 2 arcade games, NHL2002 which my social group plays to this day because its 100% awesome arcade hockey action & Powerstone, which was god w/ 3 friends and a Dreamcast is all PC titles. Because unlike everyone here what I get out of gaming is going up against other players and enjoying that type of competition. Portal was the first time I enjoyed a story-game on PC enough to put it on the list. Yes I played Fallout, but honestly I was never that caught up in it. Not that way I've been in every multiplayer game on my list, matching wits against another human. Portal though, is special, because honestly the silly dialogue and the memes with the whole cake thing and the great song at the end put such a big smile on my face. Which was pretty damn cool. I remember sitting in the game pre-match during my competition days in Tribes1 and having my hand shaking so hard from adrenaline overload that I had to take my hand off the mouse and try to regulate my breathing so I could actually play. Almost every PC title on my list conjures up that kind of memory, except Quake2 which was just the best damn DM experience ever and I love me some deathmatch.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: cmlancas on December 02, 2007, 07:31:28 PM There isn't enough Tetris, Arkanoid, or Galaga.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 02, 2007, 08:11:28 PM Putting Arkanoid and Galaga is a waste when there are a billion better shooters.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 02, 2007, 08:25:45 PM Some of the Galaga's are quite awesome, and graphically some of the nicest looking games for their time.
Megaman Soccer lol. That was actually a pretty fun game, too bad it slowed down whenever more than 3 guys were onscreen. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lamaros on December 02, 2007, 08:31:13 PM Nearly everything on my list is a strategy game in some way. Thief can be played slow and strategic. CS is not a FFA but team play FPS, etc.. plus all the RTS games and turn based stuff.
I just love strategy games.. and hate platform games. It was interesting to see what some of the other people here tended to go for. Some action junkies.. not many sports fans though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 02, 2007, 09:54:42 PM I'm a sports fan, but the, uh, "annual" nature of those games kind of makes it hard for me to pinpoint specifics... I liked the entire 2K NFL series for instance. If I were just to go on nostalgia, it'd be Tecmo Bowl and Double Dribble. Which is pretty silly for a top 20, when I think about it.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: cmlancas on December 03, 2007, 03:49:28 AM What about NBA Jam? That game was awesome, even if it didn't have Michael Jordan :D
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 03, 2007, 06:17:23 AM Why are most people choosing Fallout over Fallout 2? It's like choosing Starcraft instead of Broodwar - the original game is genius but the expansion/sequel built on that and made it so much better... Disagree. Dogmeat. Replaced Forza 2 with Uncharted. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: IainC on December 03, 2007, 07:12:06 AM It's like choosing Starcraft instead of Broodwar - the original game is genius but the expansion/sequel built on that and made it so much better... Broodwar wasn't a game. It even said so in big letters on the back of the box - 'Not a standalone game'. You have to assume that game = game + expansion otherwise the lists make even less sense than they currently do.Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 03, 2007, 07:33:21 AM I agree with that most of the time but I still consider Diablo II: Lord of Destruction to be the version I put on the list, not the release version since it made me angry. Brood War was a typical expansion, in my opinion, and StarCraft was a classic at retail.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: MrHat on December 03, 2007, 07:46:09 AM Am I the only one who picked Counter-Strike?
Does Counter-Strike even count? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: bhodi on December 03, 2007, 07:54:47 AM Am I the only one who picked Counter-Strike? It didn't make the cut. Neither did natural selection or threewave ctf. :(Does Counter-Strike even count? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: MrHat on December 03, 2007, 08:03:02 AM The cut? Did these already get parsed/collated?
Or you mean your own cut? Bah, does that mean my standards are low? Everyone can now see I'm a poser. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 03, 2007, 08:29:06 AM Don't put yourself down. You da Hat! (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/pimp.gif)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: bhodi on December 03, 2007, 08:47:50 AM My own cut. I was frustrated since I named all the games that had an influence on my gaming, I spent an inordinate amount of time playing, or that I had a 'wow' feeling after I finished.
That list was just over 50 games. More than half of them had to go. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 03, 2007, 09:21:57 AM Am I the only one who picked Counter-Strike? Does Counter-Strike even count? I picked Counter-Strike! Also Natural Selection. And Millipede, which remains my favorite arcade shooter. Asteroids being a close second that didn't quite make the top 20 cut. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 03, 2007, 09:35:15 AM It was way too hard to cut stuff for that list. The C64 stuff isn't nostalgia, those were incredible games I sunk a ton of time into. Who cares if they don't hold up today? For their time, they ruled my gaming world. I come at it from the other direction, how can you separate teh shiney from a classic? I'd say the Witcher is probably a classic, but the shiney is still fresh, and the load times keep me from playing it.
I cut a bunch of arcade stuff, too. I spent way too many hours playing Track and Field and Double Dragon. Shit, Double Dragon should be on my list, but I'm not going back to edit in things. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sauced on December 03, 2007, 09:43:01 AM So, are the people putting Ico and SotC on their lists ignoring the rules or ... ? That was one of the harder decisions for me.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 03, 2007, 10:46:54 AM Couple that just missed the cut for me-
The Bard's Tale series (probably 3 as my choice)- I hand-mapped most of the levels. I am still in awe of that. One on One: Dr. J vs. Larry Bird- played the HELL out of this (was one of my first C64 games). Rock Band- Right now it is totally pissing me off, but the gameplay WHEN IT FUCKING WORKS is a hell of of a lot of fun Any number of sports games. I can hardly keep the straight anymore, although Earl Weaver Baseball was fantastic, and NHL ~94 was a blast. Punch-Out- Probably would have made the top 20 if Tyson didn't eat my lunch every damned time. Galactic Adventures- the combat was a lot like X-COM, but 10 years earlier. Good game, but buggy as hell. I saw someone listed Alternate Reality: The Dungeon. I had a pirated copy of Alternate Reality: The City. No documentation, and permadeath. It was still just an amazing game. If I would have had the chance to play it more it would have made my list for sure. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 03, 2007, 11:03:40 AM I cut some that ended up on other's lists, stuff like Dungeon Keeper. Another tough one was Oni, that is a game like Sacrifice in my book, one that all developers should play. 4-way combat, you could grab an opponent and use his gun on another bad guy...while he was still holding it. Some really visceral stuff that unfortunately nobody ever used again. I've already mentioned Sacrifice's amazing high level spells. Give me a game with melee like Oni and spells like Sacrifice!
I also left off Quake 2 which was great when loaded up with mods, and X-Com which was also an amazing game. KotOR, because as good as it was, it wasn't as good as BG2. Leaving off Freedom Force hurt. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Miasma on December 03, 2007, 11:18:54 AM Most of my games were also either 'wow' type moments or just games I liked so much that I put a lot of time into, the top games did both.
My main difficulty was deciding wether or not Portal and HL2 could get on. While portal is a fantastic game it just didn't deliver the same amount of fun as the others due to its length. HL2 is very good, it has a great engine, a good storyline and some nice levels but when it comes right down to it the biggest thing I remember is a constant feeling of "annoyed" playing it, I can't pin down why. So neither of them made the list. I had it all sorted out by using the "Orange Box" cop out but then re-read the thread and noticed it wasn't allowed :ye_gods:. Also upsetting is that I'm absolutely certain I entirely forgot about many important games because I have a shitty memory. I only remembered to put Grim Fandango on the list after seeing it on others... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on December 03, 2007, 12:09:23 PM I had some tough choices to make. I could have put both Freedom Force and any of the Total War series of games and felt good about it. Earl Weaver Baseball only won out because it was first, but really Tony Larussa or High Heat Baseball could have won been in there instead. I'm surprised there wasn't more 2600 love, especially for Star Raiders, one of the first games I can remember that came with its own special controller and could be played sort of co-op.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DraconianOne on December 03, 2007, 12:12:30 PM Worse thing I found is looking at other people's lists and seeing all the games that I never actually got around to playing - Grim Fandango and Fallout 2 being the noticeable ones. I own a copy of Baldur's Gate 2 but it never ever ran without crashing so I've never played it. I've also never owned a console until recently when I got a PS2. I use that for watching DVDs more than playing games - I'm just not a console gamer.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on December 03, 2007, 12:30:27 PM So, are the people putting Ico and SotC on their lists ignoring the rules or ... ? That was one of the harder decisions for me. There's no reason you couldn't put both. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sauced on December 03, 2007, 12:32:47 PM 1. One entry from each series. (Example: Mega Man 2 OR 3. Not both)
Just because they didn't call it Ico 2 doesn't change that it's a prequel. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 03, 2007, 01:37:57 PM I'm surprised there wasn't more 2600 love I was debating Adventure, I played that for far more hours than the game ever deserved. Secret chamber ftw. I could also get random stuff by jiggling the power switch. Mostly it's what I played when I couldn't be playing ADVENT on the mainframe or TRS-80 stuff at school. I always thought pitfall was too annoying. My uncle had a shitload of 2600 games, but none really stand out in my memory. Once I got the C64, I never played console games until Goldeneye on the N64 at the eqholic's pad.Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 03, 2007, 01:59:11 PM 1. One entry from each series. (Example: Mega Man 2 OR 3. Not both) Just because they didn't call it Ico 2 doesn't change that it's a prequel. Yeah, but almost no relation, gameplay-wise. Unlike Mario or Mega Man, where the basic idea is the same throughout. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sauced on December 03, 2007, 02:06:46 PM They're both in my top 10, so I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lamaros on December 03, 2007, 02:40:13 PM What about NBA Jam? That game was awesome, even if it didn't have Michael Jordan :D I was going to put that on there. But I didn't, don't really know why. Am I the only one who picked Counter-Strike? Does Counter-Strike even count? If you read the lists... or even just this thread.. you'd know that a few others put CS on there. Some put CS: Source though. Not I! I enjoyed it most around Beta5-6. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: MrHat on December 03, 2007, 03:09:51 PM You caught me. I didn't read the lists.
Holy shit, I totally forgot about NBA Jam. I played that game so much. Edit: The power of CTRL-F pwns me. I am not a unique and beautiful snowflake. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 03, 2007, 04:19:53 PM You are too a flake!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 03, 2007, 04:23:45 PM I totally spaced on SotC.
I'm not sure where to put it in my list, if at all. As much as I loved the game, I never finished it. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 03, 2007, 04:24:15 PM I don't even want to know how you can't finish a 5 hour game.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 03, 2007, 04:28:05 PM I'm really bad with finishing games. If I get out of the habit of playing a game, it usually takes me awhile to get back to it.
I didn't even try to play SotC in one play (I was watching lots of different anime at the time), so for whatever reason, I forgot to go back and finish it. Same thing happened with Persona 3. I'm at the final night in the tower, but I haven't hauled my ass to the basement to boot it up and finish it. I have a lot of unfinished games. I might possibly have even more games sitting in a stack that I've never loaded up. And no, I don't want to hear about your lists again; you're just nuts. :awesome_for_real: Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on December 03, 2007, 09:21:50 PM My list is heavily slanted towards RPG and Strategy games. Which makes sense considering those are my favorite fucking genres.
PC has the most of my favorite games, but only 25% of the list. NES has 3, C64 has 2. I don't have much of a system bias. The games/series I didn't put on the list but are still ones I thought deserving, and why I did not: Galaga: Its awesome and still one of the best SHMUPS ever made. However Its a nibble game. I can't play it for hours. GI Joe (Arcade) : One of the best rail shooters ever made, utterly fantastic. But its a shortass arcade game with the usual quarter eating philosophy. Gundam Zeonic Front: Amazingly cool squad based mech game. But its wierd to control and rather bizarre. Metroid Zero Mission: Best Metroidvania game bar none. But its over too soon. X Com: Its fun to begin with, but even awesome gets tedious if YOU CAN'T EVER FINISH IT. Too many filler battles. Soul Edge/Calibur series: Favorite 3d fighter, but its a fun short button masher, not an all time gaming epic. Plus the later games are more about bouncing boobs than gameplay. Gladius: A new take on the SRPG that worked. But its not quite compelling enough to bring home the bacon. Resident Evil series: Its more fun than many of its design decisions say it should be, but its still flawed in places. Bomberman: Another great series that is mostly best in nibbles. Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble: Its great fun and my favorite puzzler, but its another nibble game. AD&D Gold Box: Fantastic for its day, but many of the design decisions DO NOT stand up to modern gameplay sensibilities. Street Fighter 2 and other SNK & Capcom derivatives: Its fun and I still adore Chun Li, but it doesn't grab me to play it the way other games on the list do. Front Mission: Awesome mech TBS, but each game has these little annoyances in them that keep it from being a king... HERO: Best Activision game EVER, but only in its C64 incarnation. Panzer Dragoon Saga: A legendary game almost deserving of its ebay pricing, but its still just a 20 hour game I havent ever had the urge to replay. I bet the late 90s 320 x resolution would be painful these days. Now some system skips and why, since its easier than listing every good game for it I skipped: (Im not listing butt systems. Ones that actually have worthwhile games.) Atari 2600-7800 : The hardware and gameplay are RARELY both there. Too primitive in both categories most of the time. Only Imagic and Activision games are even worth playing anymore. And Gremlins on the 5200. If you can get the system less reliable than an X Box 360 working... Sega Master System : Very few must play games. A couple goodies (Ys, Phantasy Star, Mickey Mouse and the Castle of Illusion..), but the system was awkward in all respects. It meant well... Dreamcast: See Master System with polygons. Lots of good games, not many GREAT ones. Playstation: Like the Dreamcast on an EPIC scale. Tons of good games, but few I want to play again these days. What the 2600 was to pixels, the PS1 is to polygons. It could do them, but not well enough to be very enjoyable. Wii: Its too new to have many classics. Plenty of fun to be had though. Gameboy: The pre color ones were HORRIBLE MACHINES that never deserved any popularity. The color era was a mess of kiddie liscense crap thanks to Pokemon's popularity making the lime green blurry shitbox popular nearly 10 years after release. Color followed up on this hell. Nintendo DS: Many great games, but few classics as of yet. N64: THE N 64 WAS A PIECE OF SHIT AND ITS MOST BELOVED GAMES WERENT THAT GOOD. They look even worse by modern eyes. PSP: BWAHAHAHA. A couple good games but good doesn't cut it for this kind of list. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: voodoolily on December 03, 2007, 10:09:59 PM N64: THE N 64 WAS A PIECE OF SHIT AND ITS MOST BELOVED GAMES WERENT THAT GOOD. They look even worse by modern eyes. See, you're just wrong. Games for the N64 may look ass now, but the games were great at the time and much of my list is derived from the many, many hours squandered on Rare's catalog and the two Zelda and two Mario games, when I should've been studying. So kindly crawl back into your hole, and learn about punctuation. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: naum on December 03, 2007, 10:19:06 PM I hate FPS.
I loved my Dreamcast. I want to like Civ4, but after installing and wiping from HD on 3 non-consecutive occasions, it's not likely. But I didn't really like Civ3 much either until is was completely patched up (which included 2 expansion packs). I loathe having to put a CD or DVD in to play a game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on December 03, 2007, 10:35:51 PM N64: THE N 64 WAS A PIECE OF SHIT AND ITS MOST BELOVED GAMES WERENT THAT GOOD. They look even worse by modern eyes. See, you're just wrong. Games for the N64 may look ass now, but the games were great at the time and much of my list is derived from the many, many hours squandered on Rare's catalog and the two Zelda and two Mario games, when I should've been studying. So kindly crawl back into your hole, and learn about punctuation. No. No they weren't. There were two good games on the thing. One of them was Tetris Attacks, only done up with Pokemans, and Paper Mario. Goldeneye was shit. Perfect Dark was shit. I sold mine back in the day, for some reason got another one to play Paper Mario. FPSes sucked back then on it too. Control was pure ass. Camera buttons and that analog stick do not a solid control scheme make. But the Rare guys left and made the Timesplitters games which for some reason are underrated. Its like they are PUNISHED from learning from their mistakes or something.... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 03, 2007, 10:37:11 PM I'm going to say it. Daggerfall > Morrowind > Oblivion. This is objective fact.
Timesplitters was unnaturally good. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 03, 2007, 10:52:23 PM I can think of a lot of fun N64 games:
MarioKart Mario 64 Both Zeldas F-Zero X (the best F-Zero by far, my favorite N64 game) WaveRace Conker's Bad Fur Day I'm not a big fan of console FPS so I left those off, though most people would include them. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 03, 2007, 11:37:19 PM I think I just had one 64 game on my list (Pilot Wings).
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sutro on December 04, 2007, 01:14:40 AM I so gotta stick up for GoldenEye here. Tons of hours played with my buds in its multiplayer. I wasn't a huge fan of the single player missions, but the diversity of weaponry and tactics in multiplayer simply rocked.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on December 04, 2007, 02:13:46 AM I so gotta stick up for GoldenEye here. Tons of hours played with my buds in its multiplayer. I wasn't a huge fan of the single player missions, but the diversity of weaponry and tactics in multiplayer simply rocked. Multiplayer is why I loathe Goldeneye. Its terrible. The N64 controller makes the game horrible. For solo mission stealth action it wasn't too bad for its day. Trying to deathmatch with it is about as much fun as getting wisdom teeth pulled. CAMERA BUTTONS DO NOT MAKE FOR QUALITY AIMING CONTROLS. Maybe I am being mean because at the same time I was using the tight mouse keyboard control of Quake 2 which was silky smooth, natural, and LIKE BUTTAH. It was funny watching people who loved Goldeneye and Perfect Dark try to play FPSes on my computer. 10 seconds in and it was like watching a bad acid trip. They wandered around and made me dizzy. Subtle, smooth movements with constant solid aiming did not work for them. They were used to the shitty controls of a game on a system utterly unable to run the game properly. But as I mentioned, Timesplitters is basically the same game, only with a playable framerate, decent graphics, AND GOOD FUCKING CONTROLS. Of course the PC hardcore hate analog stick shooting even more than I hate the N64 controller (whose only claim to fame is not being the Atari 5200 controller..) so they still hate it, but dual analog sticks took care of things nicely. Pressing buttons to aim is not fun. Actually doing ANYTHING with the N64 controller is not fun. Its Nintendo's worst controller. How the company responsible for the Advantage (which might have been made by Ascii but why worry?) and the Dogbone SNES could follow it up with such a clusterfuck is beyond me. I would rather use the Dreamcast controller! If Microsoft ever fucking adds Timesplitters Future Perfect to the 360 backwards compatibility list (least they finally added NFL 2K5..), I bet itll rock even harder since the 360 controller is a lovely thing and vastly superior to the PS2's patented SLIP N SLIDE sticks... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tebonas on December 04, 2007, 03:17:15 AM I hate FPS. I loved my Dreamcast. I want to like Civ4, but after installing and wiping from HD on 3 non-consecutive occasions, it's not likely. But I didn't really like Civ3 much either until is was completely patched up (which included 2 expansion packs). I loathe having to put a CD or DVD in to play a game. You would be a prime candidate for Fall from Heaven, though. I expect that should be right up your alley. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: cmlancas on December 04, 2007, 04:18:14 AM Multiplayer is why I loathe Goldeneye. Its terrible. The N64 controller makes the game horrible. For solo mission stealth action it wasn't too bad for its day. Trying to deathmatch with it is about as much fun as getting wisdom teeth pulled. CAMERA BUTTONS DO NOT MAKE FOR QUALITY AIMING CONTROLS. Maybe I am being mean because at the same time I was using the tight mouse keyboard control of Quake 2 which was silky smooth, natural, and LIKE BUTTAH. It was funny watching people who loved Goldeneye and Perfect Dark try to play FPSes on my computer. 10 seconds in and it was like watching a bad acid trip. They wandered around and made me dizzy. Subtle, smooth movements with constant solid aiming did not work for them. They were used to the shitty controls of a game on a system utterly unable to run the game properly. Uh. They were two different types of games. I'm sorry that apparently you sucked at Goldeneye but ruled at Q2. It's possible to be good at both, you know. Granted, I'll submit that the controls were a little wonky, but Goldeneye was one of the first games I ever completed -- full 007, all cheats, all levels unlocked. In short, it was unbelievably fun. Some other N64 games you are willingly ignoring, that Marg didn't mention are, in no particular order, both ArmyMen titles, Vigilante8 (although it was buggy at times, the multiplayer was damn fun), KillerInstinct, Bomberman64, Clayfighter, DK64, original NFL Blitz, Quest64, San Fransisco Rush (Which I -still- see in arcades today), Starfox, SW:SotE (woohoo fuzzywomper!), and finally, and most egregiously ignored, Super Smash Brohters. I'm not sure how you can ignore Smash Brothers without a superfail. :headscratch: Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: trias_e on December 04, 2007, 07:22:48 AM I don't know how you could include Quest 64 or Clayfighter without superfailing.
And Blast Corps is the best game on the N64. Some of those other ones are certainly good too though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 04, 2007, 07:35:11 AM Hai guyz. Sky here. I hate console games (not really, but in general). I hate shooters with controllers (really).
Goldeneye was fucking awesome. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: voodoolily on December 04, 2007, 08:45:05 AM Gah, I wasn't even talking about Goldeneye or Perfect Dark in the Rare clan. I think Jet Force Gemini was the only FPS I even played. I'm talking about Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie and Conker's. Those games are all hilarious and fucking FUN and if you don't agree it's because you hate freedom.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on December 04, 2007, 09:58:37 AM Goldeneye singleplayer was decent. The multiplayer was ass of the highest magnitude. I cannot understand how anyone could play that with any enjoyment on a screen smaller than 42". But then my wife and her brother loved it.
Opinions, they do vary. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on December 04, 2007, 01:06:40 PM Some other N64 games you are willingly ignoring, that Marg didn't mention are, in no particular order, both ArmyMen titles, Vigilante8 (although it was buggy at times, the multiplayer was damn fun), KillerInstinct, Bomberman64, Clayfighter, DK64, original NFL Blitz, Quest64, San Fransisco Rush (Which I -still- see in arcades today), Starfox, SW:SotE (woohoo fuzzywomper!), and finally, and most egregiously ignored, Super Smash Brohters. I'm not sure how you can ignore Smash Brothers without a superfail. :headscratch: Lets go through the list: Army Men games? ARMY MEN? Vigilante 8? Never played it, was on the PS1 as well right? That Interstate 7x spinoff series? Killer Instinct? Played the original at the arcade and on the SNES, played 2 at the arcade. Was fun at the time (the original, 2 was BALLS), is almost unplayable drek now. Controls horribly. Bomberman 64? Dude, there are awesome Bomberman games on almost every console and computer since the NES. Ive got it on the Gamecube, Dreamcast, 360, and Turbografx 16. The TG16 version is the best. Bomberman 93 still rocks. No reason to play it on the 64 I can see, even back then. (Wished I had the Saturn version with its holy fuck 10 players on 1 screen mode. They should redo that now that widescreen TVs are becoming the norm..) Clayfighter? Ummm... DK64? Heard it was ok, never cared enough to find out. If I don't find Mario 64 all that great, I doubt this one would be up my alley. NFL Blitz was a great game. Played it in the arcade, and had it for the PC. Sadly, it was Voodoo only, and thus went away after a couple years. Great game though. Quest 64? Ive heard so many BAD things about the game I never bothered. A friend of mine loves it though. San Fransisco Rush? Never liked it much in the arcade, ignored all home versions. Starfox 64? It was mildly amusing for the 1 hour it took me to beat it after getting a used copy home from EB Games. Id probably hate it if I had paid the usual 60 dollar N64 pricegouge. Hell, I have trouble paying 60 for a game NOW. Shadows the Empire: Heard it was ok with some good parts and lots of not so good bits. And I could happily refight Hoth in almost every SW game since. Hoth is to SW games what Normandy is to WW2 games.. Super Smash Brothers was nice, but nothing too compelling. Its Gamecube sequel was sublime though. A really good game. (For whoever mentioned Conker: It was NOT A GOOD GAME. Some dirty humor failed to make up for shoddy control and infuriating level design. FUCK THE TOWER LEVEL.) Remember I got the N64 last. I had a decent PC, PS1 and Sega Saturn before I got the 64. They all had more and BETTER games of the kind I love. The few good games on the N64 were either ports you could get elsewhere usually in a superior form, or games that were vastly overshadowed by their sequels on other systems. I was also past the legal drinking age when the N64 came out, and my tastes were pretty much refining by that point. The N64 has no meaning to me because I had access to all the machines and found it to be the worst of the lot. The Saturn might have failed, but in my heart its LIGHT YEARS better than the N64 in quality and quantity of good solid games. Hell, the much maligned N Gage (QD) has games I would never want to part with. The N64 was a piece of shit. I can probably get rid of the thing now and not miss anything. Im pretty sure Paper Mario is on Virtual Console already, and Puzzle League/Tetris Attacks is available on the DS. Those of you who liked it? Rock on. Just make sure I know who loved it so I can be sure to take your opinions on games I would enjoy with a grain of salt. :oh_i_see: Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 04, 2007, 01:11:15 PM Vigilante8 was shit. An incredibly poor attempt to rip off Twisted Metal.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Zetleft on December 04, 2007, 01:18:21 PM Damnit that post reminded me I totally forgot about Interstate 76. Well hell now I gotta find room on my list again.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Ixxit on December 04, 2007, 02:14:34 PM I saw someone listed Alternate Reality: The Dungeon. I had a pirated copy of Alternate Reality: The City. No documentation, and permadeath. It was still just an amazing game. If I would have had the chance to play it more it would have made my list for sure. Maybe you still can. http://www.eobet.com/alternate-reality/ When I first saw the game listed here the other day, I was intrigued since I had never heard about it before so I did a little research. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 04, 2007, 04:32:14 PM HEY! Tebonas had SunDog on his list too! I was sure I was going to be the only one on that. :hello_kitty:
I've been playing that one on the Steem emulator on and off. It's still pretty dang good. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 04, 2007, 05:04:26 PM My list needs fixing.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: 5150 on December 05, 2007, 04:13:52 AM Well the reason my list doesnt have much in the way of console titles is because I didnt really do consoles until the XBox. What struke my during my casual browse of the lists was that, after the C64 era, people either went console or ST/Amiga, dont recall [m]any lists featuring both.
My biggest complaint about [the older] consoles was the lack of backwards compatibility when a new one came out (which I get alot of with my 360 as it happens!). My brother owned a Sega Saturn (think he might still have it) which was great if all you wanted to do was reply the classic arcade machines (which was the only reason he had it to be fair) Arcade games failed to feature because almost all of them are [by design?] short term games with not alot of longevity, I still enjoy playing the original Star Wars wire frame graphic arcade machine when I come across one but I wouldn't have listed it about the wire frame graphic Elite on the C64 (despite how I never really got the hang of docking until the filled wire fram version came out on the ST) because I prefer games to have a bit of 'depth' to them. I was surprised that Elite (and/or it's sequals/derivatives) didnt get mentioned in more lists though Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 05, 2007, 04:32:21 AM Hmm, I think a lot of arcade machines have major longevity. Not in the way of sprawling 50 hour RPG epics, but in the way of just plain and simple challenges/puzzles and score keeping..Gaming in the strictest and purest sense of the word. Longevity and replayability like poker or chess. I don't think a game has to be some digital world one can flounder around in for weeks on end in order to be considered "long".
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 05, 2007, 06:37:57 AM If I ever get back into professional recording, I'm putting a Double Dragon machine in the lounge.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DraconianOne on December 05, 2007, 07:11:42 AM I was surprised that Elite (and/or it's sequals/derivatives) didnt get mentioned in more lists though I included both Star Wars arcade and Elite in my list but primarily out of nostalgia reasons more than anything else. Star Wars arcade was the first arcade machine I got totally engrossed in and Elite was the first game I lost hours and hours of my life to. I played Frontier when it came out on the Amiga and there were some nice touches (like planet landing, buying different ships, missions and so on) but in the end it annoyed the hell out of me because I prefer a less realistic combat/flight model. The whole Newtonian motion thing may well have given some geeks real stiffys but it just killed the fun for me. Of all the derivative space trading games, X3: Reunion would top my list. I know a lot of people gave Freelancer a lot of love but I just didn't really take to it as much. Didn't help that it doesn't have native joystick control. As far as space combat sims though, I was tempted to put Freespace 2 instead of X-Wing alliance because technically it's probably the better game but XW:A won out because of some very memorable moments and because of the whole flying into the Death Star thing. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: murdoc on December 05, 2007, 07:18:05 AM If I ever get back into professional recording, I'm putting a Double Dragon machine in the lounge. No Double Dragon unfortunately, but I really want this in my basement: http://www.smlentertainment.com/products/arcadelegendslist.htm Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 05, 2007, 07:21:38 AM Arcade Legends is a piece of shit. Might as well spend a little cash on getting a cab in decent shape and making it a mamebox.
Double Dragon Machines are impossible to find in good shape. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 05, 2007, 10:13:14 AM I saw someone listed Alternate Reality: The Dungeon. I had a pirated copy of Alternate Reality: The City. No documentation, and permadeath. It was still just an amazing game. If I would have had the chance to play it more it would have made my list for sure. Maybe you still can. http://www.eobet.com/alternate-reality/ When I first saw the game listed here the other day, I was intrigued since I had never heard about it before so I did a little research. Right on! I need to find this kind of thing for Wizard's Crown and Darklands too. I seem to remember a WC site, but I never got the emulator running correctly. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Miasma on December 05, 2007, 10:23:22 AM I just want to say that Bully is a fantastic game and if you put any of the GTA series on your list you should give it a try. It doesn't have machine guns but it's every bit as clever and entertaining, plus, go-karts.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 05, 2007, 01:04:53 PM Right on! I need to find this kind of thing for Wizard's Crown and Darklands too. I seem to remember a WC site, but I never got the emulator running correctly. Sup. I just wanted to say that I have Darklands on CDROM. I think I have lost the box but I still have the manual, which is pretty damn important if you ask me. Runs well in DOSBox. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 05, 2007, 01:35:02 PM I just want to say that Bully is a fantastic game and if you put any of the GTA series on your list you should give it a try. It doesn't have machine guns but it's every bit as clever and entertaining, plus, go-karts. I don't think it moved enough units to merit a pc version, did it? I'd definitely pick it up if it hit the pc.Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 05, 2007, 02:46:04 PM Right on! I need to find this kind of thing for Wizard's Crown and Darklands too. I seem to remember a WC site, but I never got the emulator running correctly. Sup. I just wanted to say that I have Darklands on CDROM. I think I have lost the box but I still have the manual, which is pretty damn important if you ask me. Runs well in DOSBox. Did it ever get patched into complete playability? I remember some showstoppers back in the day, but goddamn that game was fun. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Montague on December 05, 2007, 03:06:46 PM I saw someone listed Alternate Reality: The Dungeon. I had a pirated copy of Alternate Reality: The City. No documentation, and permadeath. It was still just an amazing game. If I would have had the chance to play it more it would have made my list for sure. Maybe you still can. http://www.eobet.com/alternate-reality/ When I first saw the game listed here the other day, I was intrigued since I had never heard about it before so I did a little research. Holy crap. I thought me and my buddy in high school were the only two people on Earth to ever play that game. It wasn't in my list of "all-time best" but man, that game was ahead of its time. Open-ended exploration, a crude morality mechanic, and it even had some customization because IIRC the item files were unencrypted because I remember giving my character a "Razor of DOOM" or some nonsense. We never even saw it in a store, we picked it up at one of those old-fashioned "disk exchange" enthusiast meetings. Pool of Radiance (the original) was also pure awesome. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 05, 2007, 06:38:00 PM I just want to piss on my list.
I'm having a hard time in quantifying what criteria to use when selecting what to put on my list. Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? If you look at mine, I seem to be a bit schizophrenic in what I am using to validate my choices. I mean, FFS, I put down Q2, but I only ever played it twice. Twice. Also, I didn't see anyone put down FF7. Granted, I know US III gets a lot of love here, and I myself am not going to put it down, but still...I still think it's a pretty good game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Nevermore on December 05, 2007, 06:51:00 PM Also, I didn't see anyone put down FF7. Granted, I know US III gets a lot of love here, and I myself am not going to put it down, but still...I still think it's a pretty good game. You didn't look hard enough. As for picking the games to list, since any such list is going to be entirely subjective anyway I just picked the games I remember enjoying and playing the most. Nothing so lofty as whether it was 'groundbreaking' or any other such nonsense. Did I spend entirely too much time playing it? Then it goes on the list. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 05, 2007, 06:51:29 PM No criteria really. Tempest got my number 1 spot purely for nostalgia. It was the first game I can remember, and one that I still like. Also, it has cool sounds.
Street Fighter... Kind of a fulfillment of all of my wishes up to that point. Y'know..like.. Finally! The mothership has landed. I mean... What the hell was before that? Karate Champ? Lame ass Rocky games? Defender of the Crown had my original 3 spot (I've since replaced it with Uncharted). It was pretty, and offered a lot of variety, and did it all well. Thing is, Uncharted is prettier and does multiple things well too. Maybe a bit too high for a brand new game, but I'm pretty stoked about it at the moment. Wing Commander 3. Biff, Malachi, Skywalker, and Alex De Large in Space. Nuff said. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Miasma on December 05, 2007, 07:13:28 PM Also, I didn't see anyone put down FF7. Granted, I know US III gets a lot of love here, and I myself am not going to put it down, but still...I still think it's a pretty good game. At least half a dozen people listed FFVII, it might even be leading III. As mentioned earlier I put down games which made me think "wow, yes, a game can and should be doing stuff like this" or that were good enough I played them a great deal.Edit: I had nothing better to do so I counted them (up to this post's date and barring edits). Final Fantasy I: 1 Final Fantasy II (IV): 5 Final Fantasy III (VI): 9 Final Fantasy VII: 7 Final Fantasy X: 3 Final Fantasy Tactics: 7 Upon closer examination a bunch of other people put the Intellivision Advanced D&D on too, awesome. I spent so much time playing that as a kid. I want a book that makes my crossbow platinum plzkthx. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tebonas on December 05, 2007, 10:56:12 PM I was making a list and then cut it down in size until it reached 20. The original was at about 60 games at the top of my head, then I thought about what I liked about a game and if another game fullfilled that particular liking in a better way the game had to go. Naturally I had the most raw satisfaction the first time over most of the time.
Sundog, for example was my first "Wow, Computer games can open up worlds to you for exploration, where you are free to do whatever you like" game. It was the first game I sat in the car with my parents on the way home and thought "Wonder what I discover today" instead of "Wonder if I can beat that level". Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 05, 2007, 10:59:11 PM Honestly, I'd have more adventure titles on my list, but I'm holding back so as not to look like a freak (or a housewife).
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tebonas on December 05, 2007, 11:09:10 PM Thats why I put "The Lurking Horror" in there. I could have filled that list with Adventures both Text and Graphics, but I had to choose. Sam and Max, Space Quest and Monkey Island were close at its heel.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on December 06, 2007, 01:17:06 AM Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? I could make a list of great games a couple hundred games long at least. The stuff I put down on the list are games that grabbed me to such an extent that I played them over and over, and could still go back and play any one of them today. In that respect, there's only a handful of games that I really wish I could have worked into the list somewhere (Blaster Master, Final Fantasy Tactics, Star Wars Arcade, Scorched Earth, Dune 2 and Kings Bounty). I'm pretty satisfied with my list though, aside from the fact that only 2 games in the last 10 years were good enough to make it on there. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Ixxit on December 06, 2007, 05:22:46 AM Kings Bounty. I wanted to fit that onto my list as well. I played the Genesis version so much that I think the music is permantly etched into my brain. What an awesome game, so easy to pick up yet endlessly replayable. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 06, 2007, 11:26:24 AM I just want to piss on my list. I'm having a hard time in quantifying what criteria to use when selecting what to put on my list. Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? If you look at mine, I seem to be a bit schizophrenic in what I am using to validate my choices. I mean, FFS, I put down Q2, but I only ever played it twice. Twice. Also, I didn't see anyone put down FF7. Granted, I know US III gets a lot of love here, and I myself am not going to put it down, but still...I still think it's a pretty good game. I put down games that were fun above and beyond other games of the similar type or were the best kind of fun. Examples: -Mario Kart on SNES' only competitor would be f-zero and that didn't even come close. I hate racing games like Forza and GT but Mario Kart was a total blast. The battle mode was awesome too. -FFVI: I've wasted a ton of hours playing various rpg's. I never finish them. I finished this one. Also playing a final fantasy game back when I didn't own a single video game system (it was IV I think, the one where you are a shadow knight on an airship at he start) was what turned me into a gamer. I thought the whole interactive story thing was just so fucking cool. Therefore it would have been stupid not to have a FF title, VI was by far my favorite. -Portal: The first and only game during my adult years that I enjoyed even though it had nothing to do with smashing other humans. Also internet memes are fun & the cake song will be my cell phone ringtone once I get around to it. Dunno if that helps, basically I picked things that made sense, I had about 32 games when I finished my list. Things like Chrono Trigger, Puzzle Fighter and Fallout just didn't quite make the list. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 06, 2007, 01:44:33 PM Did it ever get patched into complete playability? I remember some showstoppers back in the day, but goddamn that game was fun. I have the latest patch that I am aware of, but I cannot recall if I had that one when I was playing it originally and the appearance of a demon on the battlefield would crash the game. Unfortunately I have not made any real headway in it since I managed to get it running on WinXP. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 06, 2007, 04:08:32 PM As soon as you have all the kinks worked out, send instructions (in small words)! :-)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Ratman_tf on December 07, 2007, 07:49:28 AM Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? If you look at mine, I seem to be a bit schizophrenic in what I am using to validate my choices. Also, I didn't see anyone put down FF7. Granted, I know US III gets a lot of love here, and I myself am not going to put it down, but still...I still think it's a pretty good game. There are a ton of Pretty Good Games that didn't make my list. :cry: Phantasy Star 2, Fintal Fantasties out the wazoo, Metal Marines (fucking awesome game) Advance Wars, etc... 20 slots makes you prune like a gardener on speed. In a lot of cases I imagined myself holding some of these games and deciding which one to put in the console/PC to play... My decision to put Diablo down instead of Diablo 2 is one that doesn't even make sense to me. But there's something about the original Diablo that the sequel lacks... and I can't put my finger on it. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hutch on December 07, 2007, 01:15:56 PM I just want to piss on my list. I'm having a hard time in quantifying what criteria to use when selecting what to put on my list. Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? If you look at mine, I seem to be a bit schizophrenic in what I am using to validate my choices. I morphed "top 20" to "favorites" and went from there. Some of my choices aren't examples of stellar or breakthrough game development (Ascendancy and Duke Nukem, to name but a few). But I did play every game on the list for hours and hours, and with no one holding a gun to my head. Others were the favorite from a series. Civ4 beat out Civ2. Pharaoh was IMO the best from the Impressions city building series, of which I have also played Caesar III, Zeus, the one set in China, and the more recent Egyptian themed one. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lesion on December 08, 2007, 03:12:56 PM Who wants to play some Giants multiplayer? ?! ?!?!?! :grin:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 08, 2007, 03:40:03 PM Galactic Adventures- the combat was a lot like X-COM, but 10 years earlier. Good game, but buggy as hell. Damn (http://retrobits.net/atari/galacticadv.shtml) - I'm sorry I missed this one. Need an updated version. Maybe I'll make one, now that I discovered somebody already made the game I've always been wanting to make 25 years ago. :ye_gods:Ah well, it probably sucks compared to how I imagine it. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yoru on December 08, 2007, 03:58:02 PM Who wants to play some Giants multiplayer? ?! ?!?!?! :grin: As in Giants: Citizen Kabuto? I would totally hit that. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 08, 2007, 04:14:30 PM I've stopped understanding. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tale on December 08, 2007, 05:46:30 PM Quote Baulders Gate @whoever: If you fucking liked it so much, call it Baldur's Gate. Now go back to using then instead of than and raising your orge fraction. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 08, 2007, 07:00:25 PM Up until I made my list and looked it up on mobygames, I thought one of my favorite games was "The Crescent Hawk's Interception"
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Triforcer on December 08, 2007, 07:27:28 PM Again, people, wherefore art Crono Trigger? The last, best, greatest RPG of the 16-bit era, and one of the top five RPGs of all time.
Also, Majora's Mask doesn't get enough love. It is at the bottom of most people's Zelda list, but it is the darkest and most offbeat of all the Zeldas- a great take on the mythos. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tale on December 08, 2007, 07:41:07 PM Up until I made my list and looked it up on mobygames, I thought one of my favorite games was "The Crescent Hawk's Interception" Half the herald angels sing. Round John, virgin mother and child. Although my favourite was always our local church's singalong carol sheet. There's one called "As with Gladness Men of Old" with a line "As they offered gifts most rare". Whoever did the typing slipped off asdf/jkl; and typed "As they offered jugts most rare". They photocopied the same sheet every year, generations of kids cracked up laughing. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Prospero on December 09, 2007, 01:43:07 AM Damn Iosgar! I thought I was the only one who played Wheel of Time. Can't say it's in my top 20, but it was a neat blast from the past. The multiplayer in that was cool.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on December 09, 2007, 02:19:34 AM Up until I made my list and looked it up on mobygames, I thought one of my favorite games was "The Crescent Hawk's Interception" I tried replaying it a couple weeks back. It wasn't pretty. Admitted, i had problems with it when it came out. No mech customization. (To me taking out this makes a Battletech game shitty. ) Only 4 or 5 playable mechs. (When the tabletop game had 16 starter designs, why limit us to a couple shitty scout mechs?) Combat was weak. ( Its too hard to TELL US WHAT WAS HIT AND DAMAGED?) No real freedom. (Basically you go to every point on the map, read some text. Yay.) No genuine character advancement. (Random skill gains in the training levels, then nothing.) Tons of pointless random combat. The endgame was one of the worst endgames in a videogame ever. (Unlock multiple colored doors. WHAT FUCKING GIANT ROBOT GAME HAS A FINALE WHERE YOU OPEN COLORED AND NUMBERED DOORS?) Outside of its very nice graphics, there is very little reason to play this game. There were RPGs before its day that were better. Compare it to Wizardry, or Ultima, or Might & Magic or Phantasy Star, or Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. It comes off very badly. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 09, 2007, 11:20:48 AM Just wondering, but how are you all determining what you put down? Stream of consciousness -- I thought back over my life and started listing the games that stood out in my memory as ones that I'd happily spent lots of time on or that had made a big impact on me when I encountered them. I ended up missing a couple that would have been part of a more carefully considered list (American McGee's Alice is one that somehow failed to surface), but overall the list turned out to be a pretty good reflection of my gaming career. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 09, 2007, 11:24:44 AM Who wants to play some Giants multiplayer? ?! ?!?!?! :grin: As in Giants: Citizen Kabuto? I would totally hit that. Don't we need 3 people then? One person is the giant, one the space marines and one is the water nymphs or something right? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 09, 2007, 01:37:33 PM "The Crescent Hawk's Interception" I tried replaying it a couple weeks back. It wasn't pretty. Admitted, i had problems with it when it came out. No mech customization. (To me taking out this makes a Battletech game shitty. ) Quote Only 4 or 5 playable mechs. (When the tabletop game had 16 starter designs, why limit us to a couple shitty scout mechs?) To an extent, it actually made good game-design sense they did it this way. Locust, Wasp, Stinger, and COmmando were all 20 ton mechs. The Chameleon was sort of a bonus mech if you managed to get it out of the training session alive.[/quote]Quote Combat was weak. ( Its too hard to TELL US WHAT WAS HIT AND DAMAGED?) Would have sworn it did this. Well, I do recall there was a mech sheet you could open up and see what was damaged.Quote No real freedom. (Basically you go to every point on the map, read some text. Yay.) As far as 1988 games go, being able to wander around in your mechs and visit various towns was much greater freedom than most games offer. There was even a hidden jail complex you could find to liberate an additional pilot.Quote No genuine character advancement. (Random skill gains in the training levels, then nothing.) I seem to recall you could train your characters. It wasn't really advantaged character advancement, but then, neither is the character advancement in Battletech. Bear in mind that this game actually came out before the Mechwarrior sourcebook was released.Quote Tons of pointless random combat. I enjoyed it, so no complaints there.Quote The endgame was one of the worst endgames in a videogame ever. (Unlock multiple colored doors. WHAT FUCKING GIANT ROBOT GAME HAS A FINALE WHERE YOU OPEN COLORED AND NUMBERED DOORS?) The endgame was pretty much a protracted copy protection scheme.[quite]Outside of its very nice graphics, there is very little reason to play this game. There were RPGs before its day that were better. Compare it to Wizardry, or Ultima, or Might & Magic or Phantasy Star, or Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. It comes off very badly.[/quote] Comparing it to those, it comes off entirely different, I wouldn't say better or worse. But, in all honestly, I don't expect a 1988 game to have held up that well. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 09, 2007, 01:46:56 PM Quote No genuine character advancement. (Random skill gains in the training levels, then nothing.) I seem to recall you could train your characters. It wasn't really advantaged character advancement, but then, neither is the character advancement in Battletech. Bear in mind that this game actually came out before the Mechwarrior sourcebook was released.Still, there was quite a Robust advancement system in The Crescent Hawk's Inception that largely revolved around credits, which could be used to upgrade your battlemechs, purchase personal weapons and armor (some fights took place on foot), and purchase training. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lesion on December 09, 2007, 04:08:15 PM Don't we need 3 people then? One person is the giant, one the space marines and one is the water nymphs or something right? I don't think every faction needs to be used. Three is still probably too few for anything but some messing around, wah wah. Wah.Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Zetleft on December 09, 2007, 04:44:16 PM All this mech talk got me thinking about MissionForce: CyberStorm from Sierra. That was a great turn based iso-view game. Game even came with an extra multiplay-only CD in the box so you could give it to a friend for matches against each other, though I don't think I even really used it. Fun campaign, random maps, customizable mechs and pilots. Not quite worthy of a top 20 but at least gets an honorable mention.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 09, 2007, 06:02:03 PM I actually have Giants. I got it as a pack-in once, but I never loaded it up.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Zetleft on December 09, 2007, 08:13:49 PM I actually have Giants. I got it as a pack-in once, but I never loaded it up. Gameplay was pretty good but the cutscenes were fucking hilarious. Worth playing just for those. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 09, 2007, 09:16:28 PM The balanace was kludgy and the game was buggy in several places, but still, I can't deny Giants had that kind of artistic soul to it that many games are sorely lacking. I wonder how well it'd run on a 2005ish computer. Games from about that point usually are cursed by being too new to run on an emulator but too old to run compatibility free on many newer computers.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yoru on December 10, 2007, 07:56:02 AM The balanace was kludgy and the game was buggy in several places, but still, I can't deny Giants had that kind of artistic soul to it that many games are sorely lacking. I wonder how well it'd run on a 2005ish computer. Games from about that point usually are cursed by being too new to run on an emulator but too old to run compatibility free on many newer computers. It ran great on my '04-era XP PC. I haven't tried it out on my new Vista box, which is what worries me. With 3, you might be able to do a passable meccs v kabuto or reapers v kabuto (with the 2 being on the lesser team), maybe even meccs v reapers, but that'd be less balanced. 4v4 mecc/mecc or reaper/reaper used to be awesome though. And yeah, Giants is one of those games you should play through for the cutscenes and gameplay, although sacrifice the gameplay if need be to make it through the game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Roac on December 10, 2007, 11:11:25 AM Damnit, I left off TradeWars. For shame, that was a fucking awesome game. Who to bump...
Edit: ...God of War it is. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 10, 2007, 12:36:10 PM So some reason, I'm exuberant to see God of War bumped by Trade Wars.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Daeven on December 10, 2007, 02:13:17 PM Right on! I need to find this kind of thing for Wizard's Crown and Darklands too. I seem to remember a WC site, but I never got the emulator running correctly. Sup. I just wanted to say that I have Darklands on CDROM. I think I have lost the box but I still have the manual, which is pretty damn important if you ask me. Runs well in DOSBox. Did it ever get patched into complete playability? I remember some showstoppers back in the day, but goddamn that game was fun. version 1.7 I think... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 11, 2007, 08:53:32 AM Quote Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - NES - 1985 Solomon's Key - Tecmo, Ltd. - NES - 1987 Metroid - Nintendo of America Inc. - NES - 1986 Mighty Bomb Jack - Tecmo, Ltd. - NES - 1987 The Legend of Zelda - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - NES - 1986 Maniac Mansion - Lucasfilm Games - NES - 1987 Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse - Konami Industry Co. Ltd. - NES - 1989 Nobunaga's Ambition - KOEI Co., Ltd. - NES - 1989 Strider - Capcom Co., Ltd. - NES - 1989 Ghosts 'N Goblins - Capcom Co., Ltd. - NES - 1986 Marble Madness - Atari Games Corporation - NES - 1989 Mega Man 2 - Capcom Co., Ltd. - NES - 1989 Super Mario Bros. 3 - Nintendo R&D2 - NES - 1990 The Magic of Scheherazade - Culture Brain Inc. - NES - 1989 Actraiser - Quintet Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1991 Demon's Crest - Capcom Co., Ltd. - 1994 The Legend of the Mystical Ninja - Konami Industry Co. Ltd. - SNES - 1991 Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - Square Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1996 Super Mario World - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1991 Super R-Type - Irem Software Engineering, Inc. - SNES - 1991 Zombies Ate my Neighbors - LucasArts - SNES - 1993 Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Furai no Shiren - Chunsoft - SNES - 1995 Final Fantasy IV - Square Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1991 Final Fantasy VI - Square Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1994 Pilotwings - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1991 Super Metroid - Nintendo of Europe GmbH - SNES - 1994 Dr. Mario - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1990 Chakan - SEGA Corporation - GEN - 1992 Toejam & Earl - Johnson-Voorsanger Productions - GEN - 1991 Disney's Aladdin - Disney Interactive, Inc., Virgin Games, Inc. - GEN - 1993 Flashback: The Quest for Identity - Delphine Software International - JAG - 1995 Alien Vs Predator - Rebellion - JAG - 1994 Cannon Fodder - Sensible Software - JAG - 1995 Clockwork Knight - SEGA Enterprises Ltd. - SAT - 1995 Darius Gaiden - Taito Corporation - SAT - 1996 Daytona USA - SEGA-AM2 Co., LTD. - SAT - 1995 NBA Jam Tournament Edition - Iguana Entertainment, Inc. - SAT - 1995 Panzer Dragoon Saga - Team Andromeda - SAT - 1998 Snatcher - Konami Co., Ltd. - SAT - 1996 Panzer Dragoon - Team Andromeda - SAT - 1995 Bushido Blade - LightWeight Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1997 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - Final Fantasy Tactics - Konami Computer Entertainment Tokyo, Inc. - PSX - 1997 Parasite Eve - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1998 Brave Fencer Musashi - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1998 Chocobo's Dungeon 2 - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 2000 Valkyrie Profile - tri-Ace Inc. - PSX - 2000 Tactics Ogre - Quest - PSX - 1998 Torneko: The Last Hope - Chunsoft - PSX - 2000 XenoGears - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1998 Vagrant Story - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 2000 Super Puzzle Fighter II - Capcom Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1996 Ikaruga - Treasure Co., Ltd. - DC - 2002 Marvel vs Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes - Capcom Co., Ltd. - DC - 2000 Mr. Driller - Namco Limited - DC - 2000 Power Stone 2 - Capcom Co., Ltd. - DC - 2000 Project Justice - Capcom Co., Ltd. - DC - 2001 Quake 3: Arena - id Software, Inc. - DC - 2000 Rez - United Game Artists - DC - 2001 Shenmue - SEGA-AM2 Co., LTD. - DC - 2000 Skies of Arcadia - Overworks - DC - 2000 The Typing of the Dead - Smilebit - DC - 2001 Ico - Team Ico - PS2 - 2001 Rez - UGA (United Game Artists) - PS2 - 2002 Shadow Hearts - Sacnoth - PS2 - 2001 Disaster Report - IREM - PS2 - 2003 Disgaea: Hour of Darkness - Nippon Ichi - PS2 - 2003 Blood Will Tell: Tezuka Osamu's Dororo - PS2 - Sega - 2004 Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga - PS2 - Atlus - 2005 Ghosthunter - SCE Cambridge - PS2 - 2004 La Pucelle Tactics - Nippon Ichi - PS2 - 2004 Fahrenheit - Quantic Dream - PS2 - 2005 Godhand - Clover Studio - PS2 - 2006 Shadow of Rome - Capcom - PS2 - 2005 Katamari Damacy - Namco Limited - PS2 - 2004 Shadow of the Colossus - Team Ico - PS2 - 2005 Disgaea 2 - Nippon Ichi - PS2 - 2006 Persona 3 - Atlus - PS2 - 2007 Steambot Chronicles - Irem - PS2 - 2006 Yakuza - Sega - PS2 - 2006 Rogue Galaxy - Level 5 - PS2 - 2007 Guitar Hero 1 - Harmonix - PS2 - 2005 Guitar Hero 2 - Harmonix - PS2 - 2006 Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors - FromSoftware, Inc. - XBX - 2004 Etrian Odyssey - Atlus - DS - 2007 Dungeon Maker: Hunting Ground - Global A Entertainment - DS - 2007 Metroid Fusion - R&D 1 - GBA - 2002 Uncharted - Naughty Dog - PS3 - 2007 Dead Rising - Capcom - X360 - 2006 Age of Empires 2: Age of Kings - Ensemble - WIN - 1999 Diablo 2 - Blizzard North - WIN - 2000 Deus Ex - Ion Storm - WIN - 2000 Fallout - Interplay - WIN - 1997 Fallout 2 - Black Isle - WIN - 1998 Oregon Trail - MECC - II - 1985 Planescape: Torment - Black Isle - WIN - 1999 Sim City 2000 - Maxis - WIN - 1996 System Shock 2 - Irrational - WIN - 1999 Thief: The Dark Project - Looking Glass - WIN - 1998 The Typing of the Dead - Smilebit - WIN - 2000 Unreal Tournament - Epic - WIN - 1999 My top 20 will be weened from this list. Best of luck for those who want to play guessing games. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sauced on December 11, 2007, 09:00:43 AM The Magic of Scheherazade - Culture Brain Inc. - NES - 1989 Man, I loved that game. Maybe one of my first encounters with an attempt at narrative. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 11, 2007, 09:02:51 AM Good guess. That's on the list.
Btw, I already have the list. Just didn't want to post it. Yet. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 11, 2007, 09:15:41 AM Oh and I purposefully ignored Arcade Games.
Not because I couldn't find one or two that deserved to be on the list, but because I just didn't feel like it fit for me. Had I included it, the games would have been SFII: CE, Turtles in Time, AvP, Pac-Man, Soul Caliber, UMK3, and Killer Instinct. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 11, 2007, 09:51:33 AM AvP arcade with 5 controls was so crazy awesome it hurt, if I had never played it outside of Pier39 I might have included it but the arcades I spent good chunks of time in never had it.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: rattran on December 11, 2007, 10:20:50 AM Xenophobe and the Attack from Mars pinball game both almost made it on my list.
"You must build an atomic cannon!" Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 07:24:12 AM My top 20, with notes:
Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo Co., Ltd. - NES - 1985 - Still play this. Still a masterpiece. Solomon's Key - Tecmo, Ltd. - NES - 1987 - Still play this. Still a masterpiece. Castlevania 3: Dracula's Curse - Konami Industry Co. Ltd. - NES - 1989 - Don't play this any longer, but the love lives on. Mighty Bomb Jack - Tecmo, Ltd. - NES - 1987 - Possibly one of my favorite arcade games of all time, and easily one of my favorite Nintendo games. The Magic of Scheherazade - Culture Brain Inc. - NES - 1989 - Nothing but love. Super Metroid - Nintendo of Europe GmbH - SNES - 1994 - The SNES pad made this one edge out the original Metroid. Final Fantasy VI - Square Co., Ltd. - SNES - 1994 - Needs absolutely no discussion. Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga - PS2 - Atlus - 2005 - I am alone in the universe on this one. Chakan - SEGA Corporation - GEN - 1992 - Seriously. Fucking love. Don't know why. CHAKKKKKAN THE FOREVER MAN. (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/23/250px-Chakan_cover.jpg) Cannon Fodder - Sensible Software - JAG - 1995 - What? It was awesome. May get replaced in the next day with Flashback though. Torneko: The Last Hope - Chunsoft - PSX - 2000 - If this list were done next winter, would probably be replaced with Fushigi no Dungeon DS. Parasite Eve - Square Co., Ltd. - PSX - 1998 - Love love love. Rogue Galaxy - Level 5 - PS2 - 2007 - Edged out Skies of Arcadia when I made my original list. Still on the fence about replacing it with Link to the Past though. Guitar Hero 2 - Harmonix - PS2 - 2006 - This would be Guitar Hero 3 is I could use my original SG with the PS3. Planescape: Torment - Black Isle - WIN - 1999 - Duh. The Typing of the Dead - Smilebit - WIN - 2000 - Double Duh. Unreal Tournament - Epic - WIN - 1999 - Triple Duh. Deus Ex - Ion Storm - WIN - 2000 - Quadruple Duh. Shadow of the Colossus - Team Ico - PS2 - 2005 - Best platforming in the history of gaming. Short of Mario 1. ^_^ Fahrenheit - Quantic Dream - PS2 - 2005 - A LIST WITH A TWIST. Ending of this list is better than the ending of Fahrenheit though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HAMMER FRENZY on December 12, 2007, 07:31:30 AM Chakan...Random...
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: bhodi on December 12, 2007, 07:40:41 AM How the fuck can rogue galaxy be in your top 20. Seriously. That game sucked. The combat was terrible (obliterate your enemies or they wtfpwn you, no in between), the magic was worthless except for hit-all magics, the item upgrade stuff was confusing at best, the story was boring and shallow, and the characters uninteresting.
Mostly it was the combat everyone said was awesome. You die in 3 hits and the npcs were pretty crappy, so you really do either get owned (by something that requires the jump hit for instance) or you obliterate them with the hit-all magic or just by full offense. Also, I bought it because people here said it was good. I'm on the whole collect the pieces of whatever the fuck it was, some starmap or something. I never finished it. I feel a little bitter and betrayed. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 07:56:52 AM I really loved it. But as I said, may get bumped. Might not even be by LttP.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on December 12, 2007, 08:18:24 AM Yah, I thought Rogue Galaxy was average at best. Your quoted finishing times for this were very low. Maybe you played a different game than the rest of us.
You left off Bloodlines, and I'm amazed you didn't put down Uncharted given your love for it. Seems like a lot of nostalgia picks.. 5 games from the 80s from someone born in the decade. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 08:41:58 AM I played Mario 1 no less than a month ago.
Rogue Galaxy was thrashed. I skipped some of the tedious bullshit (bug fighting, factory, etc). So it may have been a different game :grin:. Bloodlines still runs like poop. These days if I want to play that, I'll just boot up Planescape. I need a year to decide whether Uncharted comes up on the list. need to see how it fares. For THIS YEAR only though, yea, it would be in my top 5 if not #1. Solomon's Key? Solomon's Key (http://www.zikitrake.com/freeware/solomonskey.html). Still so awesome. Mighty Bomb Jack? Nostalgia. No way, nothing has matched that gameplay. I'm still hunting down an arcade kit for it. Scheherazade? Ok, yes, nostalgia. But also a watershed moment in gaming for me. RPGs, I hath cometh. Castlevania 3: I doubt you're referring to this as nostalgia. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 12, 2007, 08:44:45 AM Rogue Galaxy WAS awesome (not top 20 personally, but good nonetheless). Fuck Bloodlines. RG is infinitely better simply because it works.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HAMMER FRENZY on December 12, 2007, 09:09:50 AM Schild: Thank God...Some one else thinks that Ghost Hunter was awesome.. I get shit for that game all the time. That game was goddamn great. I like tat game mucho.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 12, 2007, 10:25:03 AM I can't explain why, but I loved Rogue Galaxy too despite the mind-numbing tedium of so many of the side-quests and the ridiculous difficulty curve of the combat. The character design was pretty awesome. Also, no love for Okami Schild-o?
I was working on my own list, but I don't think I can do it. There were a few games that Schild mentioned that I had totally forgotten about, and my list was already reaching about 30. Dammit. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 10:41:26 AM Okami is no LttP or Rogue Galaxy.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on December 12, 2007, 10:41:58 AM Quote Also, no love for Okami Schild-o? Too fucking long. Jesus H Christ. That game could have ended at the 20 hour point, and I would have sung its praises to the moon. Still better than every 3D Zelda I've played. Gorgeous too. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 12, 2007, 10:48:02 AM Yeah, I still haven't finished it!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 12, 2007, 10:57:16 AM I marathoned the hell out of it. I thought it was paced really well for such a long game, kept giving you cool new things. Also, best voice acting in a game ever.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Zetleft on December 12, 2007, 11:00:58 AM Wow Chakan the forever man. That takes me way back. Think I bought that game for the box art alone.
Sure as hell can't remember the gameplay on it though :p Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 12, 2007, 11:03:33 AM I would love to see a playthrough video of this Chakan game myself, esp w/ Schild voiceover...
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 11:03:58 AM It was difficult. Very difficult.
I don't have the voice of an angel, but that might be worthwhile. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on December 12, 2007, 11:11:37 AM The Magic of Scheherazade - Culture Brain Inc. - NES - 1989 - Nothing but love. I think Scheherazade and Crystalis did more to get me into console RPGs than FF1 and DQ1 did. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 11:19:27 AM Along with the games aboce - Startropics was more important to me than say, Secret of Mana.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on December 12, 2007, 11:23:43 AM Along with the games aboce - Startropics was more important to me than say, Secret of Mana. Startropics was good. I rented it first though which kinda sucked, since it didn't come with the instruction booklet, which you need to get past one part of the game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rendakor on December 12, 2007, 03:36:56 PM Yea Startropics was great. Also, good to see someone else has love for Crystalis.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 12, 2007, 03:37:59 PM I missed Startropics and Crysalis for some reason, but I enjoyed reading about them in Nintendo Power.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 12, 2007, 03:38:51 PM NOT PORTAL schild... consider yourself On Notice. (edit) On two counts: Quote from: schild Here's to you, Valve. And while you may not win every GOTY from every website, magazine, and bullshit TV show about games – you most certainly deserve it. And don't worry, all of those folks who pick anything else are officially On Notice. Rogue Galaxy - Level 5 - PS2 - 2007 - Edged out Skies of Arcadia when I made my original list. Still on the fence about replacing it with Link to the Past though. Guys i think portal just replaced Deus Ex on my top 3 games kicking it to number 4 Deus Ex - Ion Storm - WIN - 2000 - Quadruple Duh. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 03:47:47 PM Nah, I'm not. I tried to ignore 2007 when I made the list because all of the stuff there are games that I spent time with and held up to the test of replay.
Portal has, but only in short term. Basically, if we do this again next year to see what's changed, Portal might replace something then. But as it stands, I tried to ignore the rest of the year. Rogue Galaxy was an anomaly. A total anomaly. I had Skies of Arcadia down and then said to myself "Fuck that, Rogue Galaxy is that and better." Sorry to break your heart. But you're adopted, so that's funny too. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 12, 2007, 03:50:39 PM Rogue Galaxy was an anomaly. Know what would have been a better anomaly? Portal. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 12, 2007, 03:53:09 PM Rogue Galaxy was an anomaly. Know what would have been a better anomaly? Portal. Or Super Dodgeball. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 12, 2007, 03:54:20 PM Super Dodgeball was in the running. My friends didn't play it much with me when I was little - or enough for it to make the list.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lamaros on December 12, 2007, 04:15:11 PM Thought I'd discuss my list here (all the cool schilds are doing it) and remove comments from the list thread:
OM means I'm the only one to list it so far. Any game that requires you to think, and rewards you for doing so, is my kind of game. These games nearly always do this. Dune 2 Nostalgia. I remember playing this with my brother (one playing, one watching) all day long. We played so much we got banned from the PC by our parents and to get around it we'd play it as much as we could but then turn the screen off and run outside and play cricket whenever they got near. It was awesome fun. The first RTS game I played and better than War2 or C&C if you ask me. I loved it. Never finished it on Ordos. Thief: The Dark Project Possibly the best game ever. Thief 2 was probably better in many ways, but TDP was the first. I can still remember that first level. Trying to perfect reverse dropping blackjack hits on guards, trying to get the timing and execution just right to complete every level on the hardest settings. Some shittty levels in this one where you couldn't aviod combat, but still just amazing. (Would still play it today if I found the CDs. Might DL it.) Chaos Overlords - OM A turn based board game. With fun art, dystopia themed gang warfare, lots of game modes and multiplayer. I still play it. Starcraft Best multiplayer RTS ever. (War3 in early Beta was nearly as awesome). Polished, balanced, and fun. Medievia - OM This is a MUD. You can check their website at http://www.medievia.com However I am including it here for the years of 1996-1999. The game and players have changed a lot since then and I don't feel the games that remains today is as good as the one from the past, nor is the gaming climate in such a state to fully enjoy it. However I loved this at the time and it remains the most played game of my life to date. Best online world I've played. Some of the zones in this game are/were amazing. I spent nights reading the zone descriptions and slowing working out all the tricks for myself. Excellent PvP, both in the Arena (Herobattles!) and in guild v guild (CPK) with fun meaningful economics. Betrayal At Krondor The first 5 chapters are the best RPG ever made. Alpha Centauri Better than Civ2. Still play it. Duke Nukem 3D For the multiplayer and the level design kit. Championship Manager 2 The more recent stuff is better (same guys, diff name), but this was the first one I played. Sets the ber for sports managment games. Counter Strike Around beta 6 was the peak. Back when people still played oilrig. One Must Fall 2097 - OM Syndicate Wars Transport Tycoon Deluxe - OM Still play. Pizza Tycoon - OM Still play. If you've never played this game, do. You buy/rent, equip and run (hire staff, buy ingredientes, buy warehouses, make pizzas for the menu, set prices, everything!) pizza shops! Do jobs for the mafia. Take out enemy competitors. Enter pizza competitions. Complex, sprawling silly and awesomely fun. Nethack Original and the best roguelike. I might change this. Descent Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego? Two other people have mention this too! Awesome! X-Com: UFO Defense Ground Control Best single player RTS. Homeworld No wait, this is the best single player RTS. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 12, 2007, 05:14:18 PM Damned if I'm going to be the only one not posting a giant wall of text about my list that nobody else wants to read.
Millipede Best shoot-em-up ever. Awesome giant trackball that is simultaneously fast and precise. Pseudo-deformable landscape. DDT bombs. Shooting faster when you're hitting and slower when you're missing. Bonus waves. :heart: SunDog: Frozen Legacy Economics, exploration, and making frantic ship repairs in the middle of shooting it out with space pirates. Also, twitch combat. Rampage Destructible buildings. Eating people. Co-op. Funny. I don't think I need to say more. Super Mario Bros. 3 The game that all other Mario games are compared to. And found wanting. Controls, level design, art direction, difficulty curve, everything. All perfect. I still have my old NES plugged in so I can play this game every once in a while. Street Fighter 2 The first game that ever gave me blisters on my thumb. Tends to be what I compare every other fighting game to. Modern games are prettier, but they frequently don't play as well IMO. Streets of Rage 2 In here because it's my favorite side-scrolling beat 'em up ever. Mostly for the visual style. Wolfenstein 3D Doom 2 Quake 1 Each of these was a complete revelation for me when I played it, and each got a lot of hours out of me, so I couldn't leave any of them out. Wolfenstein wasn't strictly speaking the first FPS I'd ever played, but it blew everything else out of the water, both in terms of gameplay and graphics (heh). Doom 2 was the first game ever to genuinely creep me out (lighting and ambient noise ftw), and it was also the first game I played where there was a rich body of community-created content. Oh, and it was the first networked deathmatch game I ever played. Quake 1... nuff said. Led the 3D revolution and begat the modern mod scene. Caesar II I never played Sim City, so this wins my prize for favorite city-building game. I also learned a lot of stuff about Roman history that came in handy in Latin class. Starcraft Know why Warcraft isn't anywhere on this list? Because Starcraft curbstomped it in every way imaginable. Counter-Strike I credit the original mod team for this one instead of the current Valve team, because really, the modern version is mostly just a spit-polish. Still some of the best multiplayer FPS out there. DDR 3rd Mix I don't think I want to know how many quarters I fed this thing during college. This particular version has the best song selection of any version I've played, including the entire song list from DDR 2nd Mix available as an easter egg (fuck you, overpriced Guitar Hero DLC). Oh, and an extra hardcore difficulty level as another easter egg. Which I got pretty good at. Like I said, lots of quarters. Max Payne 1 Bullet time. Comic book narrative. Voiceovers. Story. Fights you could replay ten times and find something new in each time. I played through the full game something like five times. Too bad the sequel was such a disappointment. Natural Selection No game before or since has provided the thrill that skulking on the ceiling and dropping on a passing marine's head did in this game. AvP tried to, but it failed where NS succeeded. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City This was a tough pick because GTA3 and GTA:SA were also excellent games. In the end, Vice City won out for having the better soundtrack and for having a game world that was big, but not so big that large parts of it felt like filler. Also, no tacked-on RPG elements. Also, Fernando. Vampire: the Masquerade: Bloodlines I played through this one SEVEN times. Even with the bugs it's that awesome. The art style, the story, the characters, the voice acting... I just kept wanting to go back to that world and stay a little longer. Half-Life 2: Episode 1 All of the Half-Life games are basically the same gameplay-wise, so I had to pick the one with the smoothest narrative experience, and Ep 1 clinched it because it had the fewest "man, I hope I'm done with this part soon" parts. Portal Nothing needs to be said here. Team Fortress 2 I wavered briefly on this one, wondering if I should put one of the earlier TF iterations down. But you know what? Not having grenade spam from every class is fucking awesome. So TF2 wins. Also, art direction and stuff. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 12, 2007, 06:28:48 PM Homeworld No wait, this is the best single player RTS. I put this on my list when I originally made my list. And I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Hoax on December 12, 2007, 06:52:14 PM Yeah I felt bad leaving it off, but I never was good enough to enjoy multiplayer Homeworld...
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 12, 2007, 08:02:03 PM It had multiplayer?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 13, 2007, 02:11:07 AM I think Homeworld is the best RTS too...
Thing is, an RTS could never make my top 20. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 13, 2007, 02:14:00 AM There's one thing we agree on: RTS didn't make my top 20 either.
Don't get me wrong, they're serviceable enough games and when I'm playing one I'm often shocked to look up at the clock and see that hours have passed. However, I think the actual return for the time invested is just not worth it. (Come to think of it, that might be the reason why no MMORPG is on my list either.) Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on December 13, 2007, 06:33:24 AM I think Homeworld is the best RTS too... Thing is, an RTS could never make my top 20. I never did get into Homeworld. It never caught on past the first few missions. My roommate adored it, however. The second part I fully agree with. Otherwise, I would have put down Warcraft II, since it's pretty much introduced me to competitive gaming. I played the shit out of it, running up some pretty impressive phone bills. I just remember hating the single player experience. No RTS has been an earth moving experience for me, some of the better ones manage to be decent distractions for a while. Rome: Total War is something that came close to making the list also, but that game is a difficult beast to classify. Part turn based strategy, part RTS with pause, and definitely less of a Korean-reflexes-will-dominate game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Wolf on December 13, 2007, 08:18:36 AM My list is mostly built around "titles that changed the way I feel about gaming". That's why I have both Dune 2 and Starcraft on there. Dune 2 - Wow, that whole Civilization thing can be actiony and stuff. I like it. Starcraft - I can actually jump online and pwn random people I never met? And I'm good at it. And they get all pissed when I tell them how much they suck in broken English? :awesome_for_real:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 13, 2007, 08:40:57 AM Rise of Nations almost made my top 20 original long list.
Cannon Fodder won over every other RTS out though. Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rendakor on December 13, 2007, 09:24:51 AM Rise of Nations almost made my top 20 original long list. I've never even heard of it...Cannon Fodder won over every other RTS out though. Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: bhodi on December 13, 2007, 09:30:10 AM I played it. Very entertaining.
I almost added crystalis but didn't make the cut. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on December 13, 2007, 09:33:26 AM I think Homeworld is the best RTS too... Thing is, an RTS could never make my top 20. The original C&C made mine, mainly because it was the first modem multiplayer game I ever got the chance to play. Playing with my crosstown buddy, even with disconnects and the like, was just fucking awesome. It's the same reason I put EQ1 on there, they both broke my cherry for a specific type of gaming. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 13, 2007, 09:35:19 AM "War, it's never been so much fun War, it's never been so much fun Go to your brother Kill him with your gun Leave him lying in his uniform Dying in the sun! War, it's never been so much fun War, it's never been so much fun" Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: stray on December 13, 2007, 09:42:42 AM Yes, Cannon Fodder was one of the first things I got for the family 486.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DraconianOne on December 13, 2007, 12:44:44 PM Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( Oh yes, way back when on the Amiga. As you said, war has never been so much fun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhLRr0HRGI). It failed for me because of the KY-Jelly soaked cliff face rise in difficulty around level 8 and the levels that took 10 minutes trekking around the screen. Also, I had Syndicate to play. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 13, 2007, 05:25:22 PM So once we have all these top 20 lists, what happens to them? Are they being compiled into a giant F13 top 100 list ordered by how often each game appeared in each individual's lists, or what?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 13, 2007, 05:27:02 PM Why would I post what I'm doing with them?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 13, 2007, 11:28:46 PM Why would I post what I'm doing with them? Plausible deniability? Edit: As an afterthought, I'm tempted to add minesweeper to my list. Seriously. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 14, 2007, 05:24:12 PM Why would I post what I'm doing with them? So you don't know either, eh? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Signe on December 15, 2007, 06:42:40 AM I'm sure he'll use them to embarass us when we are grown. :ye_gods:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lamaros on December 15, 2007, 01:55:58 PM I'm sure he'll use them to embarass us when we are grown. :ye_gods: I'm safe for 50 years then. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 15, 2007, 02:09:15 PM Blackmail - I should have known!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Ratman_tf on December 16, 2007, 10:52:25 PM He's a marketing shill, plundering our gaming habit data. Death's too good for 'im!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 16, 2007, 11:18:21 PM He's a marketing shill, plundering our gaming habit data. Death's too good for 'im! All this time, he's been a Schildbot? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 16, 2007, 11:19:56 PM Domo Arigato jerks, i got ur infoz.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 17, 2007, 09:17:41 AM As soon as you have all the kinks worked out, send instructions (in small words)! :-) If you can operate DOSBox then it's easy. I am not sure if the installer works in cmd.exe but you might try that. Else copy the CDROM to a dir somewhere and mount that up in DOSBox and install from there. If you can't operate DOSBox, I will have to use big words... or the dreaded utterance "Are Tee Eff Em". Because I don't remember exactly how to do it. It's easier than using the built-in Windows compatibility thingy with VDM Sound, though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 17, 2007, 10:40:13 AM Having never heard of DOSbox (and not having the game media), I am scrod. Proper-like.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 17, 2007, 11:09:00 AM Ah right... game media. That would be a stopper. I'll work on that.
DOSBox (http://www.dosbox.com/) is a must-have anyway, if you want to play something not made for NT. I want to try the new version (and my new hardware) with System Shock to see if the framerate is doubledigit, when I get some time. Works on OS X as well due to a frontend, from what I read. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 17, 2007, 01:48:19 PM You can also grab old stuff at abandonware sites.
Hey devs, if you want to pretend abandonware is wrong, start selling legit copies, assholes. Hell, the abandonware copy of SMAX I got doesn't work for shit. And I'm not paying $140-200 for the fucking thing. Yeah, piracy is killing devs. Morons. http://www.amazon.com/Meiers-Alpha-Centauri-Planetary-Pack/dp/B00004NHFD http://www.amazon.com/Sid-Meiers-Alpha-Centauri-Expansion/dp/B00000K3Q2 Had to do the same for System Shock 2 because I lost my discs and couldn't reinstall it. That abandonware copy didn't work for shit, either. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: geldonyetich2 on December 18, 2007, 02:43:47 AM Would have sworn I saw Alpha Centari on GameTap, but it's not there now. They phased a bunch of games out Dec 11th, that might have been one of them. Oh well - Civ IV, Disciples I and II, Heroes of Might and Magic IV, and Homeworld I and II, and Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic might help fill the void.
(Shit - I do spend too much time on these forums.) Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 18, 2007, 06:52:19 AM Huh, well if GameTap removed the edutainment games, I'll possibly be cancelling. Or canceling.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 18, 2007, 07:16:35 AM I will second the nod to Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic, that was a fun game. Also the Disciples 2.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on December 20, 2007, 06:11:19 AM I didn't see it in time, so I'm going to piss over everyone else's list by posting the right one, although not hugely ordered:
Quote Elite (Acornsoft) Battlezone Flight Simulator (ZX81) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvY4roVg7YQ) F19 (Microprose) Championship Manager 2 Defender Civilisation 1 Hearts of Iron 2 Wing Commander Panzer General 2 Ultima Underworld 2 Eve Online World of Warcraft Starcraft Sims 1 Project Gotham Racing 2 Baldur's Gate Falcon 3 Populous Doom Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: eldaec on December 20, 2007, 01:25:35 PM Cannon Fodder won over every other RTS out though. Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( Kind of suffered from being the same joke throughout, but yeah, fun. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 20, 2007, 01:34:25 PM Cannon Fodder won over every other RTS out though. Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( Kind of suffered from being the same joke throughout, but yeah, fun. When you're very young, one joke can go a long way, you spoony bard. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on December 21, 2007, 12:49:16 AM I will second the nod to Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic, that was a fun game. Also the Disciples 2. I miss when the PC had games like that. They seem in short supply these days. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on December 25, 2007, 01:51:23 AM Rise of Nations almost made my top 20 original long list. Cannon Fodder won over every other RTS out though. Has ANYONE here played Cannon Fodder? :( :( It was in one of my early versions of my top 20 but got squeezed out. If we had a top 30 or even 25, it'd still be there. War. Never had so much fun. This needs to arrive on XBLA. Now. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: eldaec on December 25, 2007, 04:36:30 AM War. Never had so much fun. War never been so much fun Go to you brother kill him with your gun leave him lying in his uniform dying in the sun Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: cmlancas on December 25, 2007, 04:50:09 AM War. Never had so much fun. War never been so much fun Go to you brother kill him with your gun leave him lying in his uniform dying in the sun then we're having fun Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on December 26, 2007, 07:28:52 AM Janie's got a gun
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on December 26, 2007, 09:15:58 AM For those wondering, I have transcribed roughly 3/4 of the entries into clean spreadsheet form. Here's a few things:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 26, 2007, 09:37:44 AM
Maxis, Broderbund and Sierra baby! Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on December 26, 2007, 10:50:02 AM Now that I've actually had the chance to play the Orange Box, I'd have to remove something to put Portal on the list. That game is such concentrated win it's painful.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on December 26, 2007, 11:04:42 AM
Maxis, Broderbund and Sierra baby! Microprose. I think I had like 6 games from them on my list. Remember the good ol days, when you could look at who made the game and feel pretty confident it wasn't a steaming pile of shit? Hell, I remember feeling confident when I saw a game in a flat record album-style box. EA made good shit back then. My how the times change. [/list] Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Prospero on December 26, 2007, 12:43:19 PM
Or they are lazy. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 26, 2007, 02:23:14 PM Or they don't care.
I could totally give a rat's ass who makes/publishes a game as long as it's fun. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on December 26, 2007, 08:22:52 PM Not the point of the list, asshat.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on December 27, 2007, 06:45:06 AM Or they don't care. I could totally give a rat's ass who makes/publishes a game as long as it's fun. I submit that you should care, since it will help you determine if a new game will be fun or not. An example would be Blue Dragon, for which knowing who made it rather than who published it, or even the name of the studio that developed it, would be all you needed to know in order to evaluate the game without even seeing it. When you realize this, you will have transcended into the realm of the Spiritual Successors. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on December 27, 2007, 06:49:33 AM It's also good to know when a studio you like has been bought up and gutted by one of the major publishers, so you can avoid their games in the future.
Or, more importantly, you would have known that anything that said Microprose or Sierra in the early-mid 90s was golden. I'd even go so far as to say LucasArts, for a time. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Roac on December 27, 2007, 10:27:03 AM I submit that you should care, since it will help you determine if a new game will be fun or not. An example would be Blue Dragon, for which knowing who made it rather than who published it, or even the name of the studio that developed it, would be all you needed to know in order to evaluate the game without even seeing it. When you realize this, you will have transcended into the realm of the Spiritual Successors. Sometimes. For example, Blue Dragon was worked on by two groups, one of which had only a single DS game. It's worth pointing out that staff change, and quality can be effected by both who leads the ship, and the quality of the (to us) mostly faceless staff that works on it. You could follow the 'big names' that were attached to Blue Dragon, but there are quite a few big names whose pet projects don't turn out so well. It's not that it's worthless to look at either or both of these things, only that it's only one ingredient. Die hard fans my well care about this level of detail. For most people, reading a couple reviews or checking some consensus poll (metacritic, gamespot's user score, etc) is more than enough to know. Or you could see that it's a JRPG, decide you don't care for JRPGs, and thus put it into the unfun category. Doesn't matter who is behind it or how good it rates. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on December 28, 2007, 01:30:59 PM (http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071228.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 01, 2008, 02:58:34 PM Finished the spreadsheet. And since people didn't follow directions, I typed it all out by hand. Making it take much LONGER.
7,480 cells. 1. People without dates didn't get entered. People without companies didn't get entered. Whine all you want. After that many things types, I couldn't be bothered to look up shit. Nor could I be bothered to PM a handful of people because the first half of people had almost no one correct theirs (3 of them did). 2. If you listed 2 games from the same series, I took out the one that was further down. I hope you didn't go from 20 to 1. 3. I want to curl up and die. Will work on graphs and such tonight. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DeathInABottle on January 01, 2008, 03:29:25 PM Cool, I was just going to ask for an update. Looking forward to the results!
Two way late notes about my list: Based on what I've been reading here, I think that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, and System Shock all would've made the cut, had I actually played them. I'll get around to them some sweet day. Same goes for Portal. I don't have a current gen console, and my laptop is ass. Surprised at the lack of Sierra love, especially for Quest for Glory. I think ONE other person listed a QfG game, but that was it. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on January 01, 2008, 03:51:24 PM Glad to know I wasted my time doing a top 20 because I wouldn't go find some fucking date of release numbers!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 01, 2008, 05:32:11 PM Glad to know I wasted my time doing a top 20 because I wouldn't go find some fucking date of release numbers! Back off, hoss. I asked nicely to the first handful of people and you were one of the ones that didn't respond. Would have taken you about 5-10 minutes at Moby Games. Meanwhile, had *I* done them all, it would've been that multiplied by way too many. Article would have been delayed even further. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on January 01, 2008, 11:30:49 PM I did reply though. Admitted, it was a very rude reply, but I did respond.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 01, 2008, 11:34:52 PM Finally figured out how to make very coherent graphs in Open Office. Before they were only half coherent.
I promise not to compare the number of cows in America to the number of people who liked Final Fantasy VII. Here's a preview: (http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4669/yearpopularitybasedontiki3.jpg) I'm doing a bunch of other stuff, but organizing the info is a pain in the ass. A Big Pain In The Ass. Article Delayed. Apologies. I do have the next two days off though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Margalis on January 02, 2008, 12:43:43 AM I suspect if you charted the age of the respondents you'd find that 1999 was when the average poster was in their prime gaming years. In other words, the chart is probably more a function of respondent age than the actual quality of games.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 02, 2008, 12:45:02 AM Or 1999 was when Planescape came out. Along with some other huge games.
But yes, you can do a lot of age-range guessing from the charts. 1999: Planescape: Torment Unreal Tournament Everquest Alpha CEntauri Soul Calibur System Shock 2 Homeworld Age of Empires 2 Dungeon Keeper 2 HOMM 3 Shogun Total War Counter Strike Freespace 2 Jagged Alliance Shenmue SF Alpha 3 Tekken Tag So I take it back. 1999 was pretty much just the best year to be a gamer. Period. Regardless of Age. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on January 02, 2008, 01:34:09 AM Shenmue actually made 1999 worse for me.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 02, 2008, 01:35:23 AM Shenmue actually made 1999 worse for me. That's what's called the minority though. Not exactly an argument against 1999 though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on January 02, 2008, 01:59:05 AM Shenmue actually made 1999 worse for me. That's what's called the minority though. Not exactly an argument against 1999 though. I don't know that it's the minority. It's not like the series caught on like wildfire or anything (having died with II). 1991 was a particularly strong year to me, but then I was heavily into RPG's at the time and that year saw the release of Final Fantasy II (IV), 3 (not actually) Final Fantasy Gameboy games, Dragon Warrior III, Might & Magic III, Pools of Darkness, Death Knights of Krynn, Gateway to the Savage Frontier, and Eye of the Beholder II (among a ton of other stuff like Super Castlevania IV, Super Mario World, Street Fighter II, Monkey Island II, Lemmings, Gain Ground, Captain America and the Avengers, and Battletoads). Edit: Also, it looks like 1999 was a great year for PC gamers, but was complete shit for people who mostly played on consoles. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on January 02, 2008, 02:14:19 AM While it would be nice to believe that 2007's upswing in the number of titles named marks a return to form for the gaming industry, I suspect that it's just the Radiohead Effect, so called because it got OK Computer all those album of the century type awards: our MTV-generation, jump-cut, short-focussed brains simply remember more games from 2007, and have yet to play them long enough to find their annoying bits. So you get people saying "ooo, Portal is the best game evah."
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on January 02, 2008, 02:17:56 AM While it would be nice to believe that 2007's upswing in the number of titles named marks a return to form for the gaming industry, I suspect that it's just the Radiohead Effect, so called because it got OK Computer all those album of the century type awards: our MTV-generation, jump-cut, short-focussed brains simply remember more games from 2007, and have yet to play them long enough to find their annoying bits. So you get people saying "ooo, Portal is the best game evah." The flipside to that argument is the nostalgia factor, causing people to remember games from years past as being better than they actually were. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on January 02, 2008, 08:57:51 AM I suspect if you charted the age of the respondents you'd find that 1999 was when the average poster was in their prime gaming years. In other words, the chart is probably more a function of respondent age than the actual quality of games. I think this would prove to be very telling. Most of my titles came from my first 25 years of life or so (IIRC), with many falling in the 14-20 years old range. Having the eternal energy and free time of a teenager makes for more enjoyable gaming. And I didn't have a single 1999 game on my list. At least I don't think I did. In fact, I only played 3 of the ones Schild listed. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 02, 2008, 01:53:11 PM stuff I agree with I was trying to say all that except with fewer words. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 02, 2008, 02:04:21 PM I have thought about the age thing a bit, and also the Radiohead Effect. I knew the time thing would be an issue with me since I have had less and less free time as I sail towards being a corpse, which is why I try to not use criteria like how much I played it or even how much fun it might have been if it was at a time when I didn't really have anything else to play (Ultima VII, EQ). It's still subjective but I tried to compensate, and I still think Uncharted is completely awesome, unlike Bioshock which impressed initially but ended with MEH. I'd still leave Portal on there since in my mind it's been FOREVER since I played it and I still think back fondly due to its incredibly low fluff-to-fun ratio.
This data is probably horribly biased but I still want to see the charts. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on January 02, 2008, 02:53:27 PM Yeah, not that my list is counted, but I am pretty sure not a single game on it was released in 99.
Some GOOD games, but very few great ones. Lemme check my list... nope.. not even any 98 games on it. Im not even sure any of them were released in 00 either. And EVERQUEST WAS NEVER GOOD. EVER. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 02, 2008, 03:03:42 PM Yeah, not that my list is counted, but I am pretty sure not a single game on it was released in 99. Some GOOD games, but very few great ones. Lemme check my list... nope.. not even any 98 games on it. Im not even sure any of them were released in 00 either. And EVERQUEST WAS NEVER GOOD. EVER. So, now that you might've changed the outcome, you started looking up years. I believe folks, we have the definition of irony. Any MMOG on the list probably has more to do with friends made while playing the game rather than the game itself. Also, the top 15 weened from the entire list is pretty damn impressive. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Jain Zar on January 02, 2008, 03:12:06 PM Nope. No years lookups. Just vague rememberances.
And most of my list nobody else picked anyhow so it really wouldn't have mattered. Look at em. I am pretty sure I was alone in most of these choices, especially when it came to franchises. 1: Wing Commander - Origin - PC 2: Warlords 2 - Strategic Studies Group - PC 3: Master of Orion 2 - Microprose - PC 4: Phantasy Star 2 - Sega - Genesis 5: Advance Wars 2 - Nintendo - GBA 6: Defender of the Crown - Cinemaware - Commodore 64 7: Ultima 5 - Origin - Commodore 64 8: Splatterhouse - Namco - Turbografx 16 9: Contra - Konami - NES 10: Castlevania - Konami - NES 11: Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries - Microsoft - PC 12: Card Fighter's Clash - SNK - Neo Geo Pocket Color 13: Pathway to Glory Ikusa Islands - Red Lynx - N Gage 14: Phantasy Star Online - Sega - Gamecube 15: Dragon Force - Sega - Saturn 16: Star Wars - Atari - Arcade 17: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - Bioware - X Box 18: Fallout 2 - Interplay - PC 19: Dragon Warrior 4 - Enix - NES 20: Wizardry Tale of the Forsaken Land - Atlus - PS2 Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sauced on January 02, 2008, 03:13:59 PM Quote Any MMOG on the list probably has more to do with friends made while playing the game rather than the game itself. VDL was surprised there were no MMOGs on my list, as I've been playing them for a decade now. But as much as I enjoy the genre, they are not the first thing that pops in to my head when listing "games". Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on January 03, 2008, 09:30:49 AM The friends I made in EQ weren't really the reason that game got on the Top 20 for me. It was the depth of the world lore (as stolen and hackneyed as it was) along with the first real multiplayer RPG thing in 3D that did it for me. EQ did a lot of things right at the exact right time in my gaming life. It showed me the potential of what could be done with Internet gaming, even if it pissed all over that potential eventually.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 03, 2008, 11:06:35 AM I agree with Haem. It was pretty exciting, because it was like being your AD&D character, no DM required. The smaller beta community, which I followed onto the live server, was pleasant. Then it became what is now standard for mmo when we all hit the level for Cazic and rubicite. Drama, backstabbing, killstealing, training. The genre never recovered imo. Too popular, LCD.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on January 03, 2008, 11:30:31 AM I can't put any game on my list that I ended up walking away from in complete disgust or where entire aspects of the game were NOT FOR ME. I also have a hard time putting a game on where if I were to play it again, I don't think I'd last more than a day before being reminded why I don't like it anymore. My list is for games I still like.
I played EQ for a longer than just about any other game I've ever played. Yet the amount of "OMG, that was awesome" points during that time period could probably be eclipsed in the 5 hours it took to beat Portal (a game that didn't make my list). It just came along in a period of my life where I had a lot free time and where it was the only graphical DIKU around (I'm also pretty much OCD when it comes to hobbies, so that contributed). It's funny though, because it (along with UO) caused a lot of the 1999/2000 games on my list to be played years later. Heck, I don't think I played SS2 until maybe 2004-2005. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: HaemishM on January 03, 2008, 11:31:51 AM It just came along in a period of my life where I had a lot free time and where it was the only graphical DIKU around. It's funny though, because it (along with UO) caused a lot of the 1999/2000 games on my list to be played years later. Heck, I don't think I played SS2 until maybe 2004-2005. I was the same way. I didn't play Deus Ex until years later, when I got the GOTY edition for dirt cheap. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on January 05, 2008, 07:52:00 PM Any MMOG on the list probably has more to do with friends made while playing the game rather than the game itself. Not really, EQ1 had that "holy shit" factor to it, in that "You see that guy there in the robe? That's another person. A real person, also playing, probably from America." I'd played PNP RPGs for years and years, always liked CRPGs, and combining that with a huge 3-d world to explore (I loved Everfrost) and the fact that you were constantly building on your character (even though death, which is (usually) much more final in PNP), no GM needed, and my friends could follow on and play (and many of them did). And yes, I still have many unplayed games sitting around here from my EQ days. Deus Ex, Thief 2, Vampire: Bloodlines. Then again, I only got my first PC because of EQ1, so there you go... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 05, 2008, 07:55:44 PM Quote Not really, EQ1 had that "holy shit" factor to it, in that "You see that guy there in the robe? That's another person. A real person, also playing, probably from America." Yea, MUDs really disillusioned me on that part. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on January 06, 2008, 12:57:32 AM And yes, I still have many unplayed games sitting around here from my EQ days. Deus Ex, Thief 2, Vampire: Bloodlines. Then again, I only got my first PC because of EQ1, so there you go... The Pile of Shame as they call it on places like GAF and 1up. Major games that you want to play but just haven't gotten around to yet. The term can also be stretched to include stuff that you've never played that maybe you don't have a lot of interest in, but other gamers will call you crazy for not trying. Half Life 2 and Vampire Bloodlines are two games I've managed to recently take off of the pile. Someday I'll get around to playing System Shock 2 and Dues Ex, and more recently I'd still like to play CoD4 at some point. I have never played a single GTA game, nor have I ever tried Guitar Hero. I can't say that I have a lot of interest in either, but I feel like as a gamer, I'm almost obligated to at least try both of those series at some point. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 06, 2008, 01:02:38 AM I have never been able to get over the horrible controls in GTA. But I'm going to give it one last chance in GTA4.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 06, 2008, 06:42:04 AM There's a lot of fun in it once you get over that barrier. It's all about the lockon and target switching. The autoaim isn't horrible, but that lockon needs to be put into more games. I can almost remember that it was probably L1 to lock and L2/R2 to move to next target. I would never have been able to take over San Andreas without it.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on January 06, 2008, 01:34:50 PM I have never been able to get over the horrible controls in GTA. You're playing it with a console controller, amirite? :oh_i_see: Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on January 06, 2008, 04:18:36 PM The controls ruined GTA for me, too, and I tried both console and PC. It was the driving, most of all, though. The game has the word "auto" in the title but the driving was awful.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on January 07, 2008, 09:05:12 AM I have never been able to get over the horrible controls in GTA. But I'm going to give it one last chance in GTA4. Play them on the PC. 3rd-person, WASD + Mouse FTW. Plus your own MP3s for customs radio stations. Seriously. I found the driving to be fine with WASD. Seriously, though you can also plug in a gamepad and use analog sticks for it if you prefer then switch to WASD + Mouse when you get out of Le Vehicle. I did that for awhile but eventually just found it easier to WASD it all the way. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on January 07, 2008, 09:09:01 AM Heh, the shooty parts are easier on a PC but the driving sure isn't. I had only played GTA3 on a PC and GTA3 San Andreas on the Xbox. San Andreas mostly did away with difficult shooting parts as I never had any problems with the combat missions.
I wouldn't dream of touching the radio stations, that's just part of the charm for me. I rarely change the station on any cars I steal just to experience them all. That did make jacking pickups somewhat painful. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 07, 2008, 10:05:40 AM Would it make any of you cry if I said you all just sucked at GTA?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on January 07, 2008, 10:08:22 AM Would it make any of you cry if I said you all just sucked at GTA? Not here. I'm pretty terrible at the game. Even with a controller I couldn't finish the driving school missions. Never could pass the race around town. I never finish them because they just end up taking too long (long drives + failure ftl) or I get stuck on a mission I can't beat. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on January 07, 2008, 12:51:36 PM WASD all the way, baby. I even golded all the driving school things. :grin:
The one time I tried it with a gamepad I kept driving into trees. Screw that. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 07, 2008, 01:32:26 PM I used the gamepad on the pc, but used the mouse for the precision shooting missions.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on January 07, 2008, 04:42:06 PM I do fine on the Xbox. I really liked GTA SA, but never got around to finishing it. I actually really liked cruising across the "state" on a chopper motorcycle at high speed. I even tried to stay in the proper lanes.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: WayAbvPar on January 07, 2008, 04:53:28 PM I played GTA III and Vice City on the PC; only used a gamepad for that godforsaken mini-helicopter mission (HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). WASD+ mouse ftw.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on January 08, 2008, 01:03:07 AM I do fine on the Xbox. I really liked GTA SA, but never got around to finishing it. I actually really liked cruising across the "state" on a chopper motorcycle at high speed. I even tried to stay in the proper lanes. Filthy RPer. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 08, 2008, 07:15:18 AM That's one of the many things I liked about Mafia, you had to somewhat obey traffic laws, no running lights or speeding, and the cops coming after you was much harsher than GTA. Maybe GTA was a better system for the type of game it was, but I really enjoyed Mafia, kinda wish they'd have made a sequel to that one.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on January 08, 2008, 09:11:29 AM I really enjoyed Mafia, kinda wish they'd have made a sequel to that one. http://www.2kgames.com/mafia2/home.html Looks like it's going to be PC, 360 and PS3. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 08, 2008, 12:30:41 PM Now there's some good news.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Rasix on January 08, 2008, 02:36:08 PM Dev house that's working on it just got bought by Take Two.
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/01/mafia-devs-join.html Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on January 08, 2008, 02:45:57 PM That's one of the many things I liked about Mafia, you had to somewhat obey traffic laws, no running lights or speeding, and the cops coming after you was much harsher than GTA. Maybe GTA was a better system for the type of game it was, but I really enjoyed Mafia, kinda wish they'd have made a sequel to that one. I'm intrigued by this "Mafia" game you speak of. I remember dutifully stopping for red lights the first time I played GTA3, and being mildly disappointed upon learning that the cops didn't enforce real-world traffic laws. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: lesion on January 08, 2008, 03:09:14 PM I remember dutifully gunning my motorcycle over a car carrier, bailing mid-jump and punching some guy in the head. My expectations: met.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on January 08, 2008, 05:11:04 PM http://www.2kgames.com/mafia2/home.html Looks like it's going to be PC, 360 and PS3. Nice trailer, looks like they have some Goodfellas fans there. Wonder what the actual game is like... Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 09, 2008, 08:27:44 AM I'm intrigued by this "Mafia" game you speak of. I remember dutifully stopping for red lights the first time I played GTA3, and being mildly disappointed upon learning that the cops didn't enforce real-world traffic laws. It's hit and miss. I really enjoyed it, but I can see some flaws and I know a lot of people wouldn't put up with some parts that I can forgive pretty easily. The worst part was that the controls could get a little quirky. I only had one tough shootout, working through some building.There was some big deal about the race scene ... SPOILERS INBOUND .... you steal an early indy car to juice it up and sabotage a competitor's car. Then you have to drive it in the race because they take out your driver. People apparently couldn't finish the race and there were save games from just after the race floating around. I saved beforehand, raced it once to learn the track and then destroyed the competition. In fact, I went back to replay the entire section a few times because it was so much fun. One thing that could grate is the slow speed of the early cars. This game starts you on Model A and whatnot, so you're literally putting along for the first sections. I thought it was pretty good because it worked in the game, but some folks are gamers before roleplayers, eh? You can save cars in your garage from all periods. It's kinda funny taking out a clunker from the 20s in the 40s. The soundtrack is stunning period music, great big bad to gypsy jazz. The guitar playing alone made it a worthy game. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Zetleft on January 09, 2008, 12:19:02 PM I had read beforehand that people hated the racing mission in Mafia but I finished it in one try and I'm not a racing gamer at all so I figure it was all exaggerated, or they patched it when I played to make it easier. Damnit, how I have to reinstall the game and finish it this time.... wonder if I have my old save files somewhere.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 10, 2008, 08:18:49 AM I'm pretty impressed with those of you who played GTA on PC, unless you steered your car with the mouse as well. I can't imagine driving with WASD being anything other than "Half-Life 2 car" style frustration. The driving is something I have loved about the GTA games. The cars all handle differently and I have my favorites. It's a huge thrill to shoot down a busy street in a hotrod with cops on your ass, weaving between traffic and hearing the cops slam into the other cars due to their non-god-like driving skills. I enjoy this even more than beating hookers to death and taking their/my money, or gunning down entire police squads and stealing their cars.
Obeying traffic laws in a game is not fun. You people are weird. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DraconianOne on January 10, 2008, 08:28:39 AM I am totally into the PC version of the GTA games - more so than the console versions because of better accuracy with the mouse. I got stuck on an early mission on the PS2 version (bike chase with Terminator style truck crashing through the bridge?) but breezed it first time on the PC. Don't find driving to be too much of a problem - although controlling the boats in VC is fucking impossible.
I think "The Getaway" is another game where you can get busted for not following rules of the road and the police will chase you if you go the wrong way down a one-way street. In fact the only good thing about that game is that's an accurately mapped version of London which is fine, as long as you know you're way around. I used to put the go anywhere cheat mode on, wonder to where my old companies offices were and shoot everyone coming out of the doors. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Sky on January 10, 2008, 12:17:16 PM I'm pretty impressed with those of you who played GTA on PC, unless you steered your car with the mouse as well. (http://www.logitech.com/repository/58/jpg/218.1.0.jpg) (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/gamepads/devices/287&cl=us,en)Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tebonas on January 10, 2008, 10:49:30 PM I must be an abnormality. I play basically all PC racers with my keyboard. Even though I have an Xbox360 controller (had to buy it for the Longest journey).
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Wolf on January 11, 2008, 12:05:44 AM I played GTA III and Vice City on the PC; only used a gamepad for that godforsaken mini-helicopter mission (HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I beat that with the keyboard. WASD and the numpad. Took me something like 6 or 7 hours. Man if I can't beat something in 20 minutes these days I get frustrated. I miss the old me. Also Mafia was awesome. In that different European developer type of awesome, like Stalker and The Witcher. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: DraconianOne on January 11, 2008, 01:47:03 AM I played GTA III and Vice City on the PC; only used a gamepad for that godforsaken mini-helicopter mission (HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I beat that with the keyboard. WASD and the numpad. Took me something like 6 or 7 hours. Man if I can't beat something in 20 minutes these days I get frustrated. I miss the old me. Was that the one in the construction site? I don't remember it taking that long and I definitely did it. I never tried all the RC missions though. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Prospero on January 11, 2008, 02:01:07 AM All GTA missions requiring you to fly miniature things need to burn in a car fire. The large helicopters are perfectly flyable with WASD but those little fuckers are way too sensitive. I hate those levels, they are the reason I refuse to replay the GTA games.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Tebonas on January 11, 2008, 02:25:59 AM Indeed, thats why I play GTA 3 now in the hope it doesn't have a mini helicopter mission you can't ignore!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on January 11, 2008, 02:42:46 AM The thing I found with the GTA series, as with stuff like Operation Flashpoint, was that while the central gameplay was well implemented, the controls for the "extra" stuff wasn't as well implemented. I know how driving games work, how the program should feed back to me, how well I should be able to adapt to the nuances of each. So when I start playing what has temporarily become a driving game, or a helicopter game or whatever, it falls into an uncanny valley of being almost, but not quite, a usable driving game.
I love the way Call of Duty implements its "minigames": they tend to take a more limited approach, and they work beautifully. The AC-130 gun camera sequence in COD4 is a masterpiece. It is truly perfect in every conceivable way. Everything about it reeks of verisimilitude, from the graphics (which, put simply, look identical to the real thing) to the voiceovers, which could have been sampled from released footage. I was vastly disappointed that there was only one such episode in the game and I wish that it were longer. But more importantly I forgot all about the controls, the ambient sounds of my house and so on. I was totally immersed. The game had ceased to be a discernible presence between me and the experience. This was a theme throughout the game, I felt: rather than testing your ability to press rapid sequences of buttons (I have guitar hero for that), the game interface itself acted to help you achieve what you wanted to do. If you chose the right things then you would probably succeed. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on January 11, 2008, 09:06:20 AM The RC helicopter mission in Vice City sucked even with a DualShock. The hardest thing for me in VC, however, was trying to do the ambulance missions. I can't think of anything particularly hard in San Andreas.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on January 11, 2008, 09:43:40 AM I got through the RC helicopter bits in Vice City by remapping all of the controls so that WASD controlled pitch and rotation and the numpad controlled the other stuff. That way I could steer it in XY with WASD as if it were a car without having to think about it, and use the other hand to manage altitude.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on January 11, 2008, 06:02:49 PM I did all of those missions using WASD and possibly using the mouse for pitch (I can't remember). I do know that they were indeed sucktastic and Not Fun. I agree about the AC-130 sequence in CoD4 being totally awesome. I can't think of any other minigames in the game though.. oh, unless you mean chopper gunning?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Endie on January 12, 2008, 04:19:45 AM I did all of those missions using WASD and possibly using the mouse for pitch (I can't remember). I do know that they were indeed sucktastic and Not Fun. I agree about the AC-130 sequence in CoD4 being totally awesome. I can't think of any other minigames in the game though.. oh, unless you mean chopper gunning? The thing about the CoD series is that they merge the minigames in so well that it is arguable that sonme of them become part of the real thing. The minigunning is an example, yes: is it a minigame or fully integrated? The mission where you get to call in air support on things with the glowing circle of death, or the one where you get to use the Javelin launcher, are similar in that the interface barely changes but the gameplay is totally different from any other bits. All Ghillied Up has a couple: the "crawl through the field of guards and tanks" bit which is totally unlike anything else in the game, and the sniping section which uses different physics. There is the "you have a minute to set up a pattern claymores" in Pripyet. The last couple of CoD had far more distinct sections, where you were using mortars, or tanks, or taking out snipers as an observer. I think one of the really great things in CoD 4 is that only the AC-130 section (that I can remember) isn't seamless. Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Bunk on January 23, 2008, 10:49:09 AM Am I just blind? What happened to all the wonderful charts and graphs Schild was going to make from this data?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on January 23, 2008, 10:51:21 AM Did a few charts and then it got put aside to finish the loot shop while the gaming release schedule died down. And another secret project.
I'll see what I can pump out this weekend Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Samwise on January 23, 2008, 05:19:51 PM (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2354/graphev3.png)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Wolf on January 25, 2008, 04:50:44 AM The highlighted graph is when they invade?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on February 21, 2008, 10:59:29 PM did this concept die a quiet death?
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on February 25, 2008, 10:12:37 AM It was a quiet death.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on March 22, 2008, 12:27:03 AM approximately once per month, this thread needs a bump.
:-P Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on March 22, 2008, 12:28:23 AM It's a sticky! You don't think I notice it! You jerk! Sooooooooooooooo mean!
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Strazos on March 22, 2008, 07:13:20 AM Graphs and Spreadsheets please!! :drill:
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on March 31, 2008, 04:28:44 AM It's a sticky! You don't think I notice it! You jerk! Sooooooooooooooo mean! I'm still waiting on the next installment of The Schild Chronicles. What game review will be next? Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Velorath on April 04, 2008, 02:35:18 AM Not to mention updating his game release calendar.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: schild on April 04, 2008, 02:37:20 AM Work is hard.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Yegolev on April 04, 2008, 06:14:17 AM The lesson being learned here is "Don't ever try." Because there will be bitching.
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Phildo on April 04, 2008, 10:32:11 AM (http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/giveup.jpg)
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: sidereal on April 14, 2008, 11:49:10 AM Me too
Title: Re: The official Piss All Over Everyone's Top 20 Thread Post by: Azazel on April 25, 2008, 05:32:23 PM The lesson being learned here is "Don't ever try." Because there will be bitching. It's not so much that, but more of a "Hey whatup wit' dat supa-cool thing you got us all to list and get involved with an shit. Tree muns'ago?" |