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Title: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Fabricated on November 11, 2007, 08:31:47 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6g86OhiMy50

Good job GamePro, you cards.

Also, what a retarded plot premise.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 11, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
Gimme the jist of it. I'm waiting to play this on my own, so I don't want to ruin it. GamePro put out a video that totally ruins the game?


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Megrim on November 11, 2007, 11:15:28 AM
Sort of. It actually doesn't seem that big a deal really, since it doesn't give away the ending as far as i can tell, just 'a twist'. But, um, yea, i agree with Fabricated... River Tam does it better. :grin:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Fabricated on November 11, 2007, 11:24:22 AM
Gamepro had this video up on their website under a generic cinematic label, but it pretty much gives away a huge twist that has not been made very evident thus far.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Velorath on November 11, 2007, 11:27:14 AM
From what I've heard, the "twist" is actually given away within the first couple minutes of the game.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Megrim on November 11, 2007, 11:28:38 AM
It would seem that way, what from all the "we'll load up a few tutorials to help you" parts that ze doktor belts out.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: MisterNoisy on November 11, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
From what I've heard, the "twist" is actually given away within the first couple minutes of the game.

And on IGN about 11 months ago (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/750/750957p1.html?RSSwhen2006-12-13_180800&RSSid=750957).


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: schild on November 11, 2007, 12:30:38 PM
Old.

Spoils nothing.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Cory Jacobs on November 11, 2007, 02:00:03 PM
It spoils the fact that everyone at Ubisoft is on fucking crack...  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Ironwood on November 12, 2007, 01:57:47 AM
No idea why anyone cares about this game.  It's not like the producer is hawt or anything.

 :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 12, 2007, 10:04:02 AM
(http://cimg2.163.com/catchpic/5/59/59C9FEBFA616A07E1A7621C9FC0E8B80.jpg)


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: schild on November 12, 2007, 10:17:14 AM
That woman is a goddamn HR issue for me and I don't even work for the company. I want to report her for being criminally hot.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Hoax on November 12, 2007, 01:30:01 PM
Can we do that?  We should do that?  Also we should hire her at f13 towers, or something.   :pedobear:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Cory Jacobs on November 12, 2007, 02:34:31 PM
AWWWeeeee... we have towers? I want a tower.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Megrim on November 12, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
Well....

















...we do now. eeahehahehaheaheaheaehaehahehaehaeaeeahehhee :uhrr:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: stu on November 13, 2007, 09:58:24 AM
I bet no one ever steals her parking space.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 13, 2007, 09:59:46 AM
But I bet you they'd rear end her in a second.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Special J on November 13, 2007, 11:16:29 AM
That 'twist' made me sad.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 13, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
Wouldn't know. EB sucks a bag full of cock once again, so I won't be getting it till the 15th.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: HAMMER FRENZY on November 13, 2007, 01:58:29 PM
Reviews seem to be all over the place for this game. I really want to try it out. To be honest though, the combat and investigation portions seem like they can become  somewhat stale. And that video had some awful acting. " I don't even know you people..."  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: murdoc on November 13, 2007, 02:22:32 PM
I had high hopes for this game and most of the reviews are coming out as 'great potential that never gets realized'. Lots of 7/10's and meh reviews. For a game this hyped to be getting luke-warm reviews doesn't bode well imo



Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Strazos on November 13, 2007, 03:32:40 PM
I'll force myself to like it if I have to.


Took off from work at the bank Black Friday, soooo....

4 day weekend for me, w00t. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 13, 2007, 03:45:51 PM
I had high hopes for this game and most of the reviews are coming out as 'great potential that never gets realized'. Lots of 7/10's and meh reviews. For a game this hyped to be getting luke-warm reviews doesn't bode well imo

The only "low" review (I want to go on a schild like rant about rating systems. How is a 7 BAD?) I saw was from 1UP. Right. The rest are 9's. It could very well suck, but from what my friend is telling me, whom is a dirty pirate and has been playing it for the past 3 days, said the repetition is annoying, but the overall experience is pretty awesome. To each their own I guess, but so far the reviews are overall good.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Mosesandstick on November 13, 2007, 04:31:21 PM
How does the 'spoiler' affect the game?

Is the game just you experiencing memories?

I'm guessing from that video there is something shady about the character you play --> do you get to do any kind of assassin stuff as the protagonist?


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: HAMMER FRENZY on November 13, 2007, 04:55:49 PM
IGN also gave it a 7 something. I know they suck but just sayin... :awesome_for_real:  No shit though IGN went as far as to say it is 1 of the 5 biggest disappointments in game history...Sheesh...They are really dramatic.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: stu on November 13, 2007, 05:30:16 PM
But I bet you they'd rear end her in a second.

 :rimshot:

ohhhhhhhhh!

I have to go over there and see what IGN listed as the other disappointments.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: UnSub on November 13, 2007, 06:01:28 PM
I had high hopes for this game and most of the reviews are coming out as 'great potential that never gets realized'. Lots of 7/10's and meh reviews. For a game this hyped to be getting luke-warm reviews doesn't bode well imo

The only "low" review (I want to go on a schild like rant about rating systems. How is a 7 BAD?) I saw was from 1UP. Right. The rest are 9's. It could very well suck, but from what my friend is telling me, whom is a dirty pirate and has been playing it for the past 3 days, said the repetition is annoying, but the overall experience is pretty awesome. To each their own I guess, but so far the reviews are overall good.

7 is bad because no-one understands ratings scales.

If the scale was evenly balanced, things around the 5 mark would indicate an 'average' game. 7 would be a good game. 9 or 10 would be a classic, brillaint game. But what's happened is that game reviewers have taken 5 and below to mean 'god awful', 7 to be 'not bad' and 9 or 10 to be 'very good'. Fans of certain series go nuts when their game of choice 'only' gets an 8, which should mean it's a good game and worth having. Or rate critic-proof games (like Halo 3) a '10' because they now that their review won't matter and that people will buy it anyway.

The acceptable point for a game to score has moved from 6+ to 8+. Games that get a 7 are seen to be somehow deficient because all the other scores have been creeping up because reviewers also try to keep some kind of internal consistency, going, "Well, I gave RTA-Ahoy a 7, but this FPS-O-Rama is better than that game, so it can get an 8". On a personal note, I liked GamesTM magazine (dead again, I think) because it took the philosophy of 5 being a worthy score for an average game and 7 was for a good-if-flawed game. 10 was saved for the best games (I think Burnout 3 got a 10 for the overall experience and that was their only 10).

In all reality, a numerical rating system is useless for games. Hell, it's useless for pretty much any longitudinal evaluation where the ground keeps shifting (i.e. games, where would can't really compare a C64 game that got 8 out of 10 with an Xbox360 game with the same score). The only ratings system that should matter is:

Not worth playing
Worth playing, but not worth buying
Worth playing and buying
(and for a very small group) Essential to play

The above isn't a balanced scale, but it's a hell of a lot more intuitive than working out what a score of 7.8 from Gamespot actually means.



Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: ajax34i on November 14, 2007, 11:04:32 AM
Eh, it's intuitive, it's like being in school:

9 - 10 = A
8 - 9   = B
7 - 8   = C
5 - 7   = D
4 - 5   = F
2 = Fuck you, have your parents come over so I can yell at them about what you did to piss me off.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Riggswolfe on November 14, 2007, 11:12:28 AM
Just to let you know, this spoiler is in the game's manual. The entire manual is written with it in mind actually.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on November 14, 2007, 03:03:28 PM
Eh, it's intuitive, it's like being in school:

9 - 10 = A
8 - 9   = B
7 - 8   = C
5 - 7   = D
4 - 5   = F
2 = Fuck you, have your parents come over so I can yell at them about what you did to piss me off.


But, all the rich kids don't get an A just for being rich.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Miasma on November 22, 2007, 10:50:15 AM
An in-depth examination of the ending. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=175552)  That link quite obviously has spoilers.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: lamaros on December 03, 2007, 04:13:22 PM
I thought rating's tended towards the high end for advertising reasons. It's better for reviewers to indicate a scale of 1-10 but only use 6-10 because even then shittest games then look kinda ok to people who just follow the numbers.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Soln on December 07, 2007, 08:29:30 PM
I'm seeing cheap offers on our internal ForSale mail distro for it already.  Did it match teh hype?


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: stray on December 07, 2007, 08:44:38 PM
It's pretty, the cities are really impressive, it has a neat game mechanic (the building hopping), but otherwise, it's pretty limited.

The missions aren't very scripted and don't contain many narrative elements (interactive or otherwise). The game is kind of sandbox-y though, so there is an emergence factor that kind of makes up for it. Some unpredictable elements may pop off while or after you kill a target.

The other goals are cool at first, but play out the same over and over again. They basically come down to 1) scouting a city by hopping on various "high" spots 2) investigation through eavesdropping and/or cornering an associate of the mission target and beating info out of him 3) pick pocketing said associates and 4) protecting city civilians from corrupt law officials.

There's also little flags to collect in each city, much like other little achievements in GTA style games.

Combat is extremely easy. For me at least. Stealth killing is easy, and even if I get caught, I can take out waves of guards with one eye closed.

[EDIT] I'm going to give it a "60" -- not a highschool 60, but a real one. There should be at least twice as many things to do here, and more guided narrative/storyline. The closest game I could compare it to though is Gun. If you liked that, then you'll like this.


Also, just on a sidenote, someone should make a Batman or Daredevil game like this (with more shit to do, of course).


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 17, 2007, 08:54:05 PM
Goddamnit....

Throughout my playtime of Assassin's Creed, I've gotten the bullshit 'Disk is unreadable' bullshit message about 8-10 times.  The goddamn disk is CLEAN.  No other game does this but this one.  So, I make it to the end bosses.  Kill the second to last end boss after dealing with the goddamned 10 or 12 fucking templar on steriods.

BAM.

"Disk is unreadable.  Please remove it and clean it, then restart your console" or something like that. 

Goddamnit.  Goddamnit.  Goddamnit.

Restart.

Back to the start of the fucking mission.

Motherfuckers DIE IN A GODDAMNED FIRE.

Fuck this game.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Margalis on December 17, 2007, 09:09:57 PM
Most likely a hardware problem. It's pretty common for hardware issues to only happen with specific games at first, due to the differences in how they are pressed, the tolerances, etc.

GT3 for the PS2 was a game like that, a lot of PS2s that worked fine for other games failed on it because the drives were slightly mis-aligned.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 17, 2007, 09:21:26 PM
 :angryfist:


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: schild on December 17, 2007, 09:26:45 PM
360?


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 18, 2007, 08:33:15 AM
Yup.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: schild on December 18, 2007, 08:40:47 AM
Shock and awe.

Prepare for the imminent death of your machine.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: NiX on December 18, 2007, 08:51:25 AM
:angryfist:
You'll be more angry when you see the end.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 18, 2007, 09:12:44 AM
I'm about 40% of the way through the game and got semi-bored with it even before Mass Effect came out. It's sooo repetitive. Though I love the combat and movement controls. Those need to be copied. Any combat mechanic that allows me to do bad-ass moves easily is a good thing.


Title: Re: Massive Assassin's Creed spoilers in this topic. (really)
Post by: SnakeCharmer on December 18, 2007, 09:36:19 AM
:angryfist:
You'll be more angry when you see the end.

I've already seen the spoilers, though it's not like it was hard to figure out the zomg!! twist!!! of it.

Shock and awe.

Prepare for the imminent death of your machine.

It just passed a being a year old last month. 

I figured as much.

Yay.