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”Now these points of data make a beautiful line. And we're out of beta. We're releasing on time.”

I'm having a hard time writing about the Orange Box. That's to say, the words I'm forming don't really do it justice. Greatest Box of Games Ever Released almost does it, but that's not really enough. It's kind of like seeing god. The Orange Box is a religious experience. Hidden inside it's sweet, delicious encryption was the complete Half-Life 2 Experience (up to this point) and  a 2-hour gem of a title. A title that fleshes out a world that we'd only seen glimpses of through semi-awkward story-telling and short scripted events that didn't always make sense. And then you play it. Everything, or at least enough of everything, falls into place.

Protip: Absolutely massive, game ruining spoilers after the jump. But really, if you haven't beaten Portal by now then you're part of the problem.

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I'm still not seeing how people make the leap that you play Chell Johnson. I buy the whole bit that you were there at bring your daughter to work day, but there is absolutely nothing to back up the claim you're Johnson's daughter.

Beyond that bit of crazy, you're pretty much dead on. Although I actually do care about the HL crew. In fact I want more fights with vorts wearing lab coats. Maybe even vort Village People.

My God yes please. I've played Portal through twice, and I'm probably less than 1/2 way through EP2. It just pales in comparison IMO, although I want to finish it to see how it helps me understand what happened at Aperture.

I've completely made the 'clone theory' leap. The scribblings and the almost familial tone of GLaDOS lead me to no other conclusion. Furthermore I don't believe that there have ever been any other test subjects. The test environment, and GLaDOS her/itself, were designed specifically for Chell. She is not one in a long line of subjects, or even the latest clone of the most recent subject; she *is* the subject and the only thing that is being tested, as you mention in quoting the "NOTES.EXE":

So why? Why did he do this, and where does this go from here? What was the overall purpose - to find out if a single person redeveloped from Tabula Rasa state could be molded and guided to a specific goal, albeit with behavioral and physical modifications? Or is there something specific about Chell, some reason it had to be her. Were they testing the modifications and the process or the character? And what if the original Chell left on the same day she arrived, and you are not only a clone, but a clone being put through trials the original never experienced? What if there are not only more Chell's but more experiments? What if the original is completely oblivious to her genetic contribution to science - as an army of Chell's are repeatedly massacred until they succeed?

Game of the Year for me easily so far, and unlikely to be de-throned. Hellgate will probably occupy lots more of time in terms of keyboard hours, but only because there is no more Portal for me to play. And GoTY should not only be about execution, but about innovation, intelligence, engagement and execution. So far for me Portal fucking nails it. As I read somewhere else I can't now recall "Valve has shown that the first-person, action, puzzle, adventure, comedy genre is a winner. Which is a, um, first."

So yeah. More. Please.

EDIT: spelling and clarification.

Uh, in the credits, it says Thanks to Blah blah blah for chell's face or something. It flat out says you play Chell.

Oh RIGHT. Why did he do that?

I have a sneaking suspicion that Chell and Alyx are connected via the GMan and that GMan has a stake in Aperture. Or at least, it's lining up after Episode 2. Omg spoiler.

Playing Half Life 2 is a religious experience? Um, yeah whatever. Exaggerate much?

No asshole, read better, not faster.

Playing half life 2 episode 2 after playing portal and coming to the realizations you come to - unless you're a dribbling moron - is LIKE a religious experience. I wouldn't know what an ACTUAL religious experience is like since no one, anywhere has ever actually had one. But just like them, I can describe things as such.

Now take the politics to politics.

So....

Playing half life 2 episode 2 after playing portal and coming to the realizations you come to is like a non-existent thing?

Write better, not faster.

Yes it says you play Chell. Just Chell. There's no last name given. Try again.

I was hoping for at least a mention of TF2 :-( ........

Good God, what was the point of writing that article ?

Really ?

Besides another thread when there are 15 threads already, schild's hard-on for this game or man-love for its devs?

It was either to prove schild can spew a full page of gibberish, with poorly formed sentences:


Or that he's losing his mind:

I think it was mostly him trying to tie Portal in with the HL storylines, and a combination of all of those.

While you say it's the best set of games to come in a box ever, and I agree... I'd have to say "This is what I expect out of games"
Companies like EA are going out and releasing 1 engine with 3 different games using it, with 12 maps each and selling them all separately for $59.99 is a thing of the past. If they want sales they are going to have to start doing shit like this.

I don't think Eli is really dead, the adviser took him for transfer to another host like what they were going to do with Breen.  Still a stupid ending though.

Where is all this Cave Johnson info coming from?  I've never heard of him before.

Edit: really, really...

ApertureScience.com


You don't have to read everything.


So, is the login for Chell Johnson on ApertureScience.com and you're already playing as her which is why you're filling out APPLY and reading a history of Aperture or are you logging in as Cave Johnson... who has no reason to read a history and is ALREADY DEAD? I thought there were some things that were simply already established.

They created something magic. You play MMOGs. You stalk MMOG developers. Get over it.

Also, 2 hours with Portal is better than my entire combined time playing MMOGs. You can say that I'm wrong, but you'd be lying.


So, uhm, what? Methinks you aren't one who should be judging. Ever. (http://taolurker.spaces.live.com/PersonalSpace.aspx) How many pages was that SWG article?

If Portal Hadn't come out, I would have been too busy playing TF2 to write something. This wasn't particularly about the orange box.


Obviously Jeff Kelly had an inkling of an idea of what I was getting at. But I said what I said to give him my point of view. The metaphor still holds water. You're just picking nits. I think. Your sentence seems malformed.

Also, hat trick.

I think the best effect of Portal will be more games ending with Muscial numbers. I always thought there should be more endings like portal. Reboot did it quite well too.

Maybe have GLaDOs sing the saga of half life to the tune of something from Gilbert and Sullervian.

Portal was a really cool Zelda dungeon.

If Zelda knew how to make dungeons and if Nintendo knew how to WRITE (this is probably their greatest failing as a company, the writing). Maybe. Unfortunately, they don't anymore, so we turn to Valve.


I think this worked precisely because games Don't do that.

Zelda had some great dungeons, and Portal was very much a Zelda dungeon, because the central device of a Zelda dungeon is to give you a new item and then build the dungeon's puzzles around the use of that item.  I mean, where else have you seen a block used to weigh down a switch?

I do think this sort of undermine's Nintendo's claim that increased processing power doesn't open game design doors. Physics models in game worlds have been germinating for a few years. Half Life 2 really showed it off with the gravity gun. But Portal is one of the first to really explore some of the more interesting possibilities of what these models can do. I really, really liked the "Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out" puzzles, particularly the one in (I think) room 18, where you use your fall momentum to springboard up the platforms by leapfrogging the holes.


Anyway, you're reading way too much into Portal. I suspect the big future application of this is that Gordon uses a portal gun in one level of Half Life 2: Episode 3

The opening scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark?  Your argument is specious.

God of War?

I finished Portal the other day, and I still have the damn song stuck in my head.

He meant Older than Zelda, Ookii.

To which I say, Dungeons and Dragons has been doing it for 30 years. Making it visual doesn't make it groundbreaking.

I don't even want to get into how long that sort of shit has been done in books.

You aren't running apply.exe as "Chell Johnson" it just happens to be an executable you can run. If you login with any random name you have access to apply.exe. Only if you login as "cjohnson" do you get access to either notes.exe or a functioning version of interrogate( sadly we dont know any employee names yet.) While we do know Cave was dying, there actually isn't any proof that he's dead. Anyway, if he is dead how was it he was bringing his daughter to work?

 edit to make the english work a little better

There is a Halo story page site, and a Marathon story page site.


Clearly Schild should start a Portal/Half-life story page site, where he and like minded individuals can debate conspiracy level theory idea's about the Half-Life universe with each other.


I'm quite sincere, I adore your insane passion  :heart:



ps. There probably already is such a site, I just haven't, looked.

Yeah... I'm being so sincere right now.

I was picking nits, and will continue doing so by saying that it was your sentence I was trying to construct there, not my own. I didn't see the point of the article either, but who cares really? Not me!

Portal good.

The orange box is indeed great.

For the story speculations and half-life/portal tie in however...  Remember half-life 1 ending?  Not has good has orange box but there was a good enough suspense and a good deal of unanswered questions.  They failed to deliver or capitalise on that story line.  Maybe in episode 3, lets hope.

The problem with these hidden truths storyline is that they never seems to live to the expectation at the end.  Lost? Full metal alchemist?? Evangelion???

One of my favorite games evar is Eric Chahi's "Out of the World".

The controls are very simple, and the player has a small set of simple tools (all of them activated by either tapping or holding down a single button) which can be used in a variety of ways. The game is about learning the use of those tools by dying a lot. It only takes four or five hours to get through it the first time and it can be replayed in two or so.

This simple gameplay rests comfortably on some delightful world design, several fun cinematic tropes, and whimsical sets and animation. The experience is a delight from start (to this awful portion in a cave, and then from that awful portion in the cave) to finish.

Ico does the same thing, now Portal has as well. They're short, gameplay is simple and nothing ever slows the player down for long. You solve some satisfying puzzles without stressing too long or going to find a walkthrough, everything builds to a narrative climax, and then you win and there's a pleasant denouncement.

It's like going to the movies, except you're the star.

In Half Life 2 I got bogged down fighting the airship outside of Black Mesa's new HQ, but redeemed itself by giving me the super gravity gun at the end for some pointlessly godlike ass kicking. Episode One lost my interest as soon as they took the super gravity gun away and put me in that garage dropping cars on insects. I realized I was just trudging through Half Life 2 backwards at double speed, not an exciting proposition. The narrative stalled and no new plot threads were revealed and I got to the end because I felt obligated to, not because I really wanted to. Episode Two kept me struggling through tedious portions like the insect cave because I felt like something was actually happening in the story, but as soon as I realized that I was going to have to fight an perceptually endless stream of striders and hunters, I put the game down.

I'm not -that- interested. I'll finish it when Episode Three comes out... or when Episode Three is selling for $15.00 and comes with some other cute, well-constructed game that's less challenging than it is fun.

Heck, I'd have to spend that much just to go see a movie.

Half Life 2 Episode III without Portal Episode II won't be worth it.

Unless they're both the same game...

Anything's possible at this point.  It's just a matter of them recognizing the need to do it.

It requires steam right? How often can someone re-iterate a position before people throw things at them you reckon? I'm just curious is all.

This-just-rocks.  Amazing game.  Haven't had as prolonged and involved gaming with a title in a long, long while.  It's the only game I can very honestly remember where every-single-level was an intellectual exercise first, and physical skill challenge the second.  Actually, the first 10 or so levels are all just intellectuals challenges IMO.  Good review.  Wave the flag.

Spoilers forthcoming - get over it!

I get the impression that Cave Johnson died in 1979 from reading ApertureScience.com so I think the link to Chell being his daughter (even cloned) is spurious at best. 

The AI mentioned could be Chell though although it doesn't read like that and doesn't even read that ambiguously. 

re: timeline.  Several years after 1996, the AI is activated on Bring Your Daughter To Work Day.  Black Mesa is still considered a competitor so it can't be post HL1 which is around 2001 or later (from the manual - Gordon Freeman still in MIT in 2000/2001.)  Time Portal is set is either then or possibly sometime after the Combine invasion - GLaDos says "Things have changed since you last left the building. Whats going on out there is going to make you wish you were back in here. I have an infinite capacity for knowledge, and even I'm not sure what's going on outside."

As for Chell: human or non-human?  Either clone or android.  So far, no evidence of clones in the HL world but that doesn't mean it's not possible.  GLaDos does refer to her as an android at one point, either by mistake or design.  Also, the achievement you get for euthanising the WCC is called Fratricide - an odd choice of words: the WCC is a "brother" of Chell?  Chell breaks GLaDos' heart?  How come?  Like a daughter might break a mother's heart? 

Or, alternatively, it's more straightforward than that: Chell is a former employee of Aperture Science ("things have changed since you last left the building") and there have been other test subjects before her who are initially locked in the relaxation vault and then submitted to the test as well.  Hence the hidden email on ApertureScience.com asking why no-one's been allowed to go home and how come they've built the Enrichment Centre.

I also concur about "Out Of This World" except here we called it "Another World".  Fantastic game, fantastic story. 

With all due respect:

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you really think so?   :roflcopter:

Four or Five hours?  Fuck, my friend and I spent that long the first night just trying to figure the game out, up to and out of the cage where you meet your buddy.  Goddamn panther was a pain in the ass, we kept missing the fucking vine.

Having recently finished HL2E2, I read this.  This is what I think.  Chell is not a clone.  Chell is Alyx's sister or cousin or something.  Well, could be that Alyx is a clone or Chell is a clone, but I just don't get that feeling.  My guts tell me the relaxation centers are where employees were put after GLaDOS took over.  I'm also just going on a gut feeling with the Alyx-Chell connection since they do look alike and the G-Man is linked to Aperture and Alyx.  I might have heard it wrong but I think Alyx is not Benson's daughter...?  Need to replay HL2E2, and I will because that lawn gnome is going into fucking space.

I think at this point they could go anywhere with the story.  I'd rather not see Gordon get the portal gun simply because I'd like to see Chell star in a game... too bad both are mutes.  Also Gordon doesn't have the leg braces.

EDIT: I'm also considering the notion that Alyx is a descendant of Chell, depending on timeline.

Having never played HL2E2 I have no idea what you are talking about, I did enjoy beating Peggle and Portal was pretty damn cool.  The first time I use the fire a portal to fall into while falling to slingshot over shit method was a big grin-in-gaming moment.  I still need to beat it though...

I like the area I saw with the "the cake is a lie" line written over and over, that made me laugh.

Probably linked to elsewhere, but Aperture Science has a Holiday greeting card (http://aperturescience.com/) up.

NECRO!!!

I've finally gotten into the midst of HL2Ep2 and after having played Portal, I think this is the most likely scenario.

Also, I got the impression Chell (or whoever your character in Portal is) was killed at the end of Portal. So unless she IS a clone, she won't be back. GLaDOS on the other hand...

Btw if you haven't seen the fucking awesome Portal shirts (GLaDOS, Cake and the Companion Cube are featured) you should check them out.  I'd link but I saw them on Steam so I dunno.  I really want the cake shirt very badly.

Here is your link. (http://store.valvesoftware.com/)

You rock.

I just ordered a couple of the Aperture Science coffee mugs.  Everyone here has some kind of mug with a logo on it, JPL or NASA or whatever (bunch a fuckin nerds, blah, blah blah, I wrote the flight code for the shuttle main engine controller, blah blah blah, like anyone cares) so these will fly right under the radar to 95% of them but a couple will get it.

I'll be able to out the gamers at meetings as I see the looks of recognition on their faces.  If I'm lucky I'll get a spit take.

The Head Crab hat is  :awesome_for_real:

YAY someone necro'd this thread. I haven't played Portal; I thought it was just this thing, and didn't know it was set in the HL2 universe. I might have to check it out after all.

I got Orange Box too, just a few weeks ago. Knowing nothing about HL2, and hating it for about half the game. Yeah, I freakin' hated it. I kept playing though, because everybody told me I had to. And I hated it all the way through. The difficulty level was just all over the place, I couldn't find the fun, and I thought it was sloppy, lazy game design. Clearly millions of gamers across the world were insane for liking it.

Then I got an army of antlions that responds to my squeezy-toy, and holy crap I loved it. I think the whole theme can be summed up with the go-cart in the tunnel. You ride through the sludge, the radioactive goop, and there's corpses everywhere, and one false step could mean your death. Then you emerge from that tunnel, into the light, and...it's quiet, and open, and there's no sludge, no death, and no oppression for miles and miles and miles. Woah.

Episode 1 was a failure? Too bad. It was interesting to see the world backwards, starting in the citadel and ending in the city. I want a head crab hat. They're sold out though. >_< Want Ep 3 now plz.

You're missing out on one of the most intelligently crafted games in recent memory.

What Murgos said is correct. Not playing Portal when you have the opportunity is just depriving yourself of one of the best games ever created.


Having finished all 3 of the HL2 games, I can safely say that the minute to minute shooting gameplay isn't really spectacular. Most of the normal weapons aren't great, you are always struggling to find ammo for the best guns, and other shooter franchises do the shooty bits much smoother/better. HL2 is one of those games where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The buggy rides are annoying (though much better in EP2 than in the original), and especially in the first HL2, there are way too many connected hallways with little to nothing in them. But combined with the story, the scripted events and things like the gravity gun and physics puzzles add up to one of the best shooter movie type games on the market.


I don't think it was a failure so much as it felt like retreading ground from HL2 with some interesting story bits thrown in there, and no real G-Man presence. It's brevity was actually a plus, because I could see some thinking there just wasn't enough story in there, and throwing mounds of enemies at the player would just feel like padding. Ep2 made up for that.