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Sonic the Hedgehog is now in an A-list first-party Nintendo title as a Smash Brothers Brawl character. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sonic.html)

I never would've thought that the day would come.  Next week: Nintendo announces that every video game character ever, including the Pong paddle and indian-raping Custer, is playable in SSB.

I know about the olympics game, that doesn't count 'cause nobody's gonna buy it.  SSB, on the other hand, mandatory for every Wii in the world.

Q-Bert would be a good one.

And just for the hell of it:

Monster Hunter 3 is moving from the PS3 to the Wii. IF EVER A GAME DEMANDED HD THAT GAME IS MONSTER HUNTER 3 FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. All in good fun.

"Moving". Wha..?? :(

Monster Hunter 3 on the Wii is the greatest failure in the history of console gaming. Margalis, I should ban you for being a right dick.

Edit: I take that back, it's not the greatest failure, it's just ridiculous. Friend Codes :( :( :( :(

Edit: I can't find this moving news. It seems they're merely getting a version of Monster Hunter.

Edit 2: Sites in Japan are reporting that it's a Wii Exclusive. Sorry Kitsune, but Monster Hunter going to the Wii is more of a seal breaking than Sonic. Sonic ceased to matter years ago and Sega has been whoring him out since.

For a minute there I thought Margalis had suffered an invasion of his motherfucking, but then it turned out he was just playing.

Somehow, it's fitting that the best game featuing Sonic for years is being created by Nintendo. :-D

And of course, his final smash is to turn Super Sonic.

I love poking around the Smash Bros. Dojo, every post there just sounds so excited.

Honestly I don't really even know what Monster Hunter 3 is.

It's one of the best selling games in japan every year, last year it was The best selling game, and it was for the PSP.

That's how big a title it is.

All 4 released titles have been on Sony Platforms - both PSP titles outperformed anything on the DS.

It's essentially Pokeman.

Now I know why you like MMOGs, you're retarded.

Edit: To elaborate - don't hand out misinformation like you work at Costco. Go back to muttering endlessly about MMOGs because at least there you drown out in the torrent of armchair designers.

Ha ha I had no idea schild took Monster Hunter so seriously...this is comedy gold.

It's not so much Monster Hunter so much as it is their reasoning. The PSP costs more to develop for than the DS. Arguably the Wii also. Yet they made MH for the PSP instead of the DS, and even released one recently for the PSP. Even at a 4 (well, 6:1) deficit on the PSP to the DS in Japan, the MH game was the best selling game last year on any system. So, obviously userbase isn't the concern the mainstream press is making it out to be.

Online play is huge in Monster Hunter. in fact, it's the reason many people buy it. Well, we don't need to discuss that, do we?

The game, for sure, was a looker. And people love hi-res dinosaurs. Hell, people love HD animals - period. Afrika even has fans. Well, there we are at the Wii again.

This whole thing is a mess.

Edit: I don't know what's so comedic about it. The industry is taking a shit on something I love. There's nothing funny about it, it's tragic. Much like what WoW is doing to the MMOG industry. Maybe you're not as serious about your hobby. But fuck you, I am.

The MH3 thing is very disappointing.  I was actually going to get to play one.  I've been curious about the series for a while now.

At this point though it's going to take a couple great NIS games or something similar to convince me to buy a Wii.  I have no interest in motion controls and I really don't want to play in 480p.  Also, I have a PC, PS3, and 360.  I don't need another fucking console, damnit.

The funny part is that I took a random game and did a parody bitch about its lack of HD, then you made my parody reality.

Selling more copies is better than selling fewer. I don't understand how installed base doesn't matter. It seems to me that Monster Hunter fits with the Wii demographic and putting it on the Wii gives the opportunity for increased sales. No matter how much you were already selling selling more is still better.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that putting a game on the Wii is bad business, just bad for gamers.  It's basically the same thing as two-plus years ago when I would wish so hard that Studio X would release Game Franchise X on the Xbox instead of the PS2, since it should have looked better and had better network support, but on a larger scale.  The biggest change is that now I have to wonder how the wiimote fits into the equation... well, and the quality issues that have been pointed out with other games.

I don't know a damn thing about Monster Hunter, honestly, so I can't say if it's for the Wii demographic or not.  I do know that the two highest quality Wii games I have are Cosmic Family and Twilight Princess, in that order!  TP is actually a GC game so it probably doesn't count, especially since Baten Kaitos looks better when I play it in the Wii.  The rest of my Wii games are kinda crappy.  Even Intelligent Systems' WarioWare has a "I thought this should have been better" vibe to it, like they just converted a DS game instead of making a new one.  I am hoping Metroid Prime 3 will be the exception to the rule but I don't feel the need to buy that just now.

So yeah, that PS3 version? We really did cut it because IT COST TOO MUCH TO MAKE (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/10/ps3-monster-hunter-3-cut-due-to-high-dev-costs/).

Making a game on the Wii isn't bad for gamers unless they make a piss poor game. Period. God of War was made for the PS2, but clearly the X-Box would have made it look better. Yet it was still a good game, right? I didn't get to play it because I didn't own a PS2, but gaming was not diminished because there wasn't a version I could play.

Haemish, you keep saying it and every time it looks retarded. When a third party makes a game on the Wii, when they could CLEARLY have made it better on another system (in this case the PS3 - network infrastructure better and will be MUCH better, hard drive loading, the ability to have uncompressed audio, a REAL CONTROLLER, to be played on the same system as the prequels), it does hurt games. It just doesn't hurt as much as not bringing it out as all. Also I'll pay $10-$20 more ALL DAY LONG to not have it look like muddled shit.

Boo-fuckin-hoo. That's like the 5th or 6th time Capcom has used the expense excuse now. And this was a game that was probably the least likely to have a problem on returns.

You are not me, thankfully.

I would pay $20 more if I could actually bludgeon Sonic to death with my todger as Custer.

Um...Capcom wants a higher return on investment...is that a difficult concept? In part it gives them the extra money needed to fund more speculative games, which is a good thing for everyone. More Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7, less Mega Man 75, yes please. Is there something about being a PS3 fanboy that makes people forget how capitalism works and how companies operate?

The real question is why aren't people making games for my custom built $20000 console that only I own and that costs 10x as much to develop for? Do it for the gamers!

You've been reading for a decade that the cost of making games is outpacing the money they typically make back. I think the people who deserve the real "boo fucking hoo" here are dorks who think companies should lose money and cut back on risky projects just to feed their overpriced machine extra pixels.

You bought a $600 Blue-Ray player, suck it up.

Is that a brain fart in that sentence? I'm pretty sure people like Stray and I want nothing but risky. Monster Hunter has always been that. It's complicated, and generally a mess of a game. But it has a diehard huge motherfucking following. Not FF/DQ levels, but the best Capcom has outside of... oh.... wait.... No, it's the best Capcom has now (the FULL Resident Evil franchise... MIGHT... compare). Megaman isn't worth shit off the portables anymore.

You are honestly the first person I have seen who even gave a fuck about Monster Hunter.   The series Metacritic scores are all high 60s low 70s.  While review scores don't mean all that much, it shows the west doesnt care about the game, nor is its fanbase big enough to frighten reviewers to score it better.

So what if its huge in Japan? 

We aren't in Japan.  I don't see multiple Super Robot Taisen games released every year here.  And their creepy ass porno games mostly stay over in their cesspool of weeaboo shit the rest of the world doesn't want anyhow.

Let's face it, you are a graphics whore with more money than sense, and a rapidly breaking brain because SONY IS FUCKING FAILING and you can't handle the fact Nintendo is winning for all the reasons you despise.

Its selling to people with less money but more sense.  HDTVs aren't fucking standard yet, and most of them won't be like my 1080p Sharp Aquos with its silly fast response time and shit.  Most will be 720p Wal Mart specials.

Absurdly high screen resolution has nothing to fucking do with a good game.  So far all the PS3's 1080p has given it is sub par framerates.  Whee.

Seriously dude, get over your technolust and realize the common man don't give two shits about it.  Your overpriced PS3 is the N Gage of this generation of games, except instead of a QD and Red Lynx making some killer games nobody will play because the reputation is already done, you get INFERIOR cheaper versions of the system, and... Lair.

Actually.. that's pretty fucking hilarious.  Resistance UK is laughing all the way too.   :-D

Haha dude, c'mon. You could have saved some time and just said "PS3 sux lolz". You're just pointlessly ripping into things there.

I don't really see how this is any different from complaining that WOW runs on a variety of machines instead of only running on top-of-the-line machines. I suppose if WOW had 10x the polygons it would be a better game - for the people who still played it. It would sell fewer copies, make less money and get played less, but it would be better.

Developers are facing a problem: games cost more and more to make. Sony's solution is to make them cost even more. Instead of creating tools that bring the cost of development back down Sony creates complicated systems with high resolution and shitty tools, then wonders why people don't want to make games for it.

MS can mitigate the cost because you can develop 360 games that will also work on the PC without many changes, and MS can take advantage of their existing tools which are decent and that people are familiar with. The Wii uses a variant of OpenGL on fairly standard, easy to understand hardware and does not demand the higher numbers of polygons and resolution, etc etc.

Meanwhile with Sony you have complex hardware, bad tooling, a high ceiling on what you can do and what your audience expects you to do, and no easy path to a second platform. It's the worst of all worlds from a development cost standpoint.

To make the PS3 a more attractive platform it isn't just about installed base, it's about development cost. Increasing the installed base helps but what Sony has utterly failed to do is control the cost of development.

Wait, what?  1080p = 1920x1080x60Hz, right?

60hz is just the hardware refresh speed, not the actual game rendering speed. A 60hz display can display 60 frames per second, but that doesn't mean every frame is going to be different. It could be rendering the exact same frame for 6 refreshes, for a real framerate of 10 fps.

More's the pity.  :cry:

If we are lucky we might get the PS2 OG 1&2 game, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.  :-(

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That must be why we're talking about Monster Hunting moving from the Wii to the PS3.

OK, I am not a programmer myself, and I don't need anyone to tell me that after I post this. I 'm already saying it myself. But... I do keep up on the state of PS3 development a little. So... I just want to point out that there have been a number (of non 1st party) developers who've expressed relief with the Edge tools for instance. And besides that, most of the frustrations were mainly because of cross platform development to begin with (which discounts whatever perceived technical woes Capcom has had with MH3, a native game). I never heard anyone complain about the PS3 being some terrible, daunting experience in and of itself. PS3 development is supposedly pretty high level. Sony *did* push aside their old PS2 ways. They aren't expecting anyone to code in assembly anymore. The graphics API is just OpenGL, like the Wii (and not even that.. it's a stripped down version originally intended for embedded devices). Shader programming is Cg, and some of the things offered by edge simplify things almost as much as bonafide game engines do. Which brings me to that too -- there's a lot of middleware for it already.

That isn't to say Microsoft doesn't have advantages. The tools *are* better.

Yeah, I was always bothered by the fact the developers didn't shift all their work to the Neo Geo, 3D0, CD-i, etc..., as better games could have been made on that hardware than on the other systems available at the time each one was released.  Clearly it's more important for developers to release their games on cutting edge systems regardless of the fact that they're all priced far out of range of the typical gamer.  In fact, fuck all the developers that aren't developing for top of the line PC's, and fuck all the gamers that apparently don't care enough about their hobby to take out loans so they can keep up with the latest shiny.  You bastards are holding things back for the small percentage of gamers that could afford to drop half a grand on a PS3 and thus deserve better games than the rest of you peasants.

Ack... too much green.

Are you kidding?  We're lucky they don't collapse the very laws of time and space for miles around them.

It's one game, do we even have to compare the 3rd party line up all over again?  :|

Stop being smartasses guys. I'm disappointed not because it's on the Wii, but because it's been abandoned entirely on the PS3.

Once again, Monster Hunter on the PSP was the best selling portable game of last year. The best selling game completely last year. Yes, in Japan, but whatever, it won't sell on the Wii here either.

The DS has an install base 6 times larger than the PSP.

Oh wait.

A lot like the Wii.

If that's not telling of where Monster Hunter's fans are, I don't know what is.

I lost my original post somewhere in the ether, but, why wouldn't MH3 publish a nicely polished version for PS3 and then port a shittastic version for Wii?


It isn't like most Wii gamers know the difference anyway.

I think, in the face of a money grab (Much like the rumors of RE4 ported to the RE5 engine just for the graphics), Sony will announce a PS3 version 6 months down the line with added content. It seems companies have started to like releasing an Early Adopter Version to delay the real version their working on. Sorta like Gears of War for the PC.

It's tasteless, but it's hard to fight really.

Wouldn't that just be good for PS3 gamers in the long run? Taking sports games for the Wii as an example, those games are complete shit; I wouldn't play anything sports on the Wii that wasn't part of the free package Ninty sent with my console. It seems to me that the original release for another console (if it is truly like a trial release) sounds much like an extended beta test.

Which kinda makes me laugh on the inside, if that's what the Wii devolves into. I'm not trying to become a huge Wii hater, because I played the shit out of it drunkenly with my friends when I first got it for a month, but I'll be damned if I've even set the thing up since I moved into my new apartment in June.


Oh, and the grammar snake lurks. Posters beware!

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Because developing that nicely polished version for the PS3 is likely about 4-6 times more expensive than just creating it for the Wii in the first place. And seeing as how the Wii has about 4 times more owners than the PS3, it would take every single PS3 owner to buy the game to make back the money they could make by just doing the cheaper Wii version.

Uh, I've got history on my side with Capcom titles across multiple losing consoles. Why don't you go ahead and back up what you just said, thanx.

No.  What's bad for gamers is when gamers can't play games.  Sony fucked up because they made a system that many gamers couldn't or wouldn't buy, and developers couldn't develop for.  "OMG, the PS3 has awesome hardware so it's so cool!"  No.  The PS3 sucks ass because it's not being used for games.  A Cray has awesome hardware too, but using that as a gaming platform is hardly good for gamers.

I'll say this: I think it's funny that Sony is building up Yet Another Console based on Final Fantasy mainline series, 1st Party titles/Insomniac stuff, and Metal Gear. Good for them I think, they're going to learn some hard lessons.

You're a douche, and I sometimes post sarcastic comments without green text.

For someone who the post beore could've done a search about the game I thought the response was comedy gold, but your answer was doubly so probably with only me laughing. Thanks for insulting me again, I just got (130) in punchingbag skill.

FYI I haven't played the game, cared about bad import JRPGs, owned a PS2 or actually followed these titles, but I did know it was a poorly reviewed Capcom one that I probably would've looked to rent if the PS3 I was intending to buy could've done backward compatibility.

You may now continue the Wii hate where it left off.

So, what you're saying is, I was right and there was no way to tell it was a joke.

and that you're a douche who hates the Wii

Uh, ok?

Based on cmlancas' post, I want to amend my earlier assertion that the Wii is the Toyota Camry of consoles:

The Wii is the fat chick of consoles.

Wii Games being released as per Nintendo PR, with "dates."

Non-Games/MiniGames/Shovelware/Kiddy Bullshit - The Ability for these titles to sell does not effect the categorization
Honest to god 3rd Party Titles
Nintendo Titles
Nintendo Titles that are ALSO Minigames/NonGames

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Oct. 1: MLB Power Pros from 2K Sports
Oct. 1: Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire from D3Publisher of America
Oct. 2: Crash of the Titans from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Oct. 5: Balls of Fury from DSI Games
Oct. 8: Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast from Nintendo
Oct. 9: FIFA 08 from Electronic Arts
Oct. 9: Bleach: Shattered Blade from SEGA
Oct. 9: LOONEY TUNES: ACME ARSENAL from WB Games
Oct. 10: Arctic Tale from DSI Games
Oct. 15: Sea Monsters from DSI Games
Oct. 16: Thrillville: Off the Rails from LucasArts
Oct. 22: EA PLAYGROUND from Electronic Arts
Oct. 23: Backyard Football from Atari, Inc.
Oct. 23: The Sims 2 Castaway from Electronic Arts
Oct. 23: Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis from Rockstar Games
Oct. 23: The Legend of Spyro: The Eternal Night from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Oct. 23: NARUTO: Clash of Ninja Revolution from TOMY Corporation
Oct. 25: M&M'S Kart Racing from DSI Games
Oct. 28: Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock from Activision
Oct. 29: Battalion Wars 2 from Nintendo
Oct. 30: Ben 10: Protector of Earth from D3Publisher of America
Oct. 30: Showtime Championship Boxing from DSI Games
Oct. 30: NEED FOR SPEED PROSTREET from Electronic Arts
Oct. 30: THE SIMPSONS from Electronic Arts
Oct. 31: Manhunt 2 from Rockstar Games
October: Spider-Man: Friend or Foe from Activision
October: Bee Movie Game from Activision
October: Tony Hawk's Proving Ground from Activision
October: Ultimate Duck Hunting from Detn8 Games Ltd.
October: Mercury Meltdown Revolution from Ignition Entertainment
October: Namco Museum Remix from NAMCO BANDAI Games America
October: Code Lyoko: Quest for Infinity from The Game Factory
October: Avatar: The Last Airbender - The Burning Earth from THQ
October: Bratz: The Movie from THQ
October: Cars: Mater-National from THQ
October: Nicktoons: Attack of the Toybots from THQ
October: SpongeBob's Atlantis SquarePantis from THQ
Nov. 5: Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn from Nintendo
Nov. 6: DanceDanceRevolution Hottest Party from Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
Nov. 6: LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga from LucasArts
Nov. 6: Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games from SEGA
Nov. 12: Super Mario Galaxy from Nintendo
Nov. 13: Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 3 from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 13: Godzilla Unleashed from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 13: Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Anniversary from Eidos, Inc.
Nov. 13: BLOCKS from Electronic Arts
Nov. 13: MEDAL OF HONOR HEROES 2 from Electronic Arts
Nov. 13: LUXOR: Pharaoh's Challenge from MumboJumbo
Nov. 13: Geometry Wars: Galaxies from Sierra Entertainment, Inc.
Nov. 19: Link's Crossbow Training (packaged with Wii Zapper ) from Nintendo
Nov. 19: SMARTY PANTS from Electronic Arts
Nov. 20: Jenga World Tour from Atari, Inc.
Nov. 20: Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords from D3Publisher of America
November: Trauma Center: New Blood from Atlus USA
November: Star Trek: Conquest from Bethesda Softworks
November: Disney Princess: Enchanted Journey from Disney Interactive Studios
November: Hannah Montana: Spotlight World Tour from Disney Interactive Studios
November: High School Musical: Sing It from Disney Interactive Studios
November: Garfield Gets Real from DSI Games
November: Furu Furu Park from Majesco Entertainment
November: AMF Bowling: Pinbusters! from Mud Duck Games
November: Ghost Squad from SEGA
November: WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 from THQ
November: Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 from Ubisoft
November: CSI: Hard Evidence from Ubisoft
November: My Word Coach from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Catz 2 (name not final) from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Dogz 2 (name not final) from Ubisoft
November: Petz: Horsez 2 (name not final) from Ubisoft
November: Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 from Ubisoft
Dec. 4: Alvin and the Chipmunks from Brash Entertainment
Dec. 4: The Golden Compass from SEGA
December: MX vs. ATV Untamed from THQ
December: Super Swing Golf Season 2 from Tecmo, Inc.
December: Rygar: The Battle of Argus from Tecmo, Inc.
December: Cranium: Kabookii from Ubisoft
December: Nitrobike from Ubisoft
Holiday 2007: NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams from SEGA
Winter '07: SoulCalibur Legends from NAMCO BANDAI Games America
Jan. 21: Endless Ocean from Nintendo
Feb. 10: Super Smash Bros. Brawl from Nintendo
Feb. 15: Yamaha Supercross from DSI Games
Feb. 19: Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity from SEGA
February: No More Heroes from Ubisoft
February: Wild Petz Tigerz from Ubisoft
March: Obscure: The Aftermath from Ignition Entertainment
Q1: LUXOR 3 from MumboJumbo
Q1: One Piece: Unlimited Adventure from NAMCO BANDAI Games America
Spring '08: Mario Kart Wii (name not final) from Nintendo
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I think they missed Zack & Wiki, which by all accounts is releasing on the 23rd of this month.

Weird, since this is from Nintendo.

Z&W isn't out in Japan yet though, so not likely.

I don't see how TH:PG or Manhunt 2 are non-games/minigames/shovelware/kiddie bullshit.

I don't know.  EBgames, Amazon.com, IGN, and even Capcom's website all say Oct. 23rd.

Removed crotchsaws.

Manhunt 2 was originally a PS2 game. Wiggle waggled in.

In fact, that list seems to have a problem with Capcom games in general, because RE: Umbrella Chronicles (Nov. 13th) is missing as well.

Edit:  Guilty Gear XX Accent Core is also missing, although maybe that was just to spare us a rant about waggle controls, shovelware, superior PS2 version and all that...

You're right. And that's weird (the capcom thing that is).

You are the guys complaining that games are moving from the PS3 to the Wii, not me.

Came out at the end of September. Also, uh, yea, the PS2 version is superior in every which way. Including arcade sticks available. But you already knew that.

I don't think the Wii version comes out until next week.  I don't doubt that waggle doesn't really fit with this game though (although I think it does have at least have the option to play with the classic controller).

um.. so anything that's released on a different platform is a real game right up until it's ported to the Wii and has some stuff added to take advantage of the Wii's controller?

Make sure you add anything that's released on a 360 that also uses sixaxis, or hell, rumble to your next shovelware list for PS3.

Really Schild. You're so transparent when it comes to your Wii hate that you're at the point of being comical...

What's weird (or maybe just stupid) is the fact that they're obviously not marketing Zack and Wiki much if you didn't even know that it was being released in less than two weeks.

Man, there's like one movie of it. And they're sending it to death if it ACTUALLY releases in 2 weeks.