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Title: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 27, 2007, 11:56:14 PM
Donation button in the News Box.

There are a couple reasons this thing exists:

1. Advertisers, or rather, companies who advertise dislike crude language.
2. Advertisers do not like forums.

So we might be ad-free soon, though I'm looking into other options.

3. People who have been playing Team Fortress have asked for a donations button.
4. The money gained from this will ONLY go towards server fees. Nothing else. Ever.
5. If we get enough to pay for the servers a year or two in advance, we'll take the button down.

If you want to donate for any other reason, contact us, though it will probably go to server fees and we just won't tell you.

To give you an idea of server costs:
Server 1 (f13.net) - $1389 a year.
Server 2 (f13.games) - $1290 a year.

It's not cheap. Advertising wasn't actually covering this, any time you see ad Council ads up top, they weren't paying dick. CPM-style advertisers are indeed having trouble filling ads where people get paid for just viewing rather than clicking.

We'd like to upgrade server 1 (f13.net) and by upgrade, I mean get a completely new rig. Sometimes at night, this server lags a little and drives me nuts. It's simply old hardware (p4, not dual core, slower ram, etc).

Anyway, that's that.

Edit: Forgot to add, if we get enough for a third server, it'll most likely be Non-Steam Games. UT3, etc.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 28, 2007, 03:25:26 AM
38.39% of the way there!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: NiX on September 28, 2007, 07:12:57 AM
I am teh poor college student. I gave you what I could.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Hoax on September 28, 2007, 09:07:30 AM
I'll donate next month, security deposit + some dbl renting during the move = teh lose.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 28, 2007, 09:33:11 AM
WTF is the News Box? I can't find this damned thing anywhere.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on September 28, 2007, 09:34:22 AM
Top right of this page.  It used to say "news will appear here later" or something similar.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 28, 2007, 09:37:59 AM
Hey, I never realized there was a dropdown part of the top of the page! No wonder I couldn't find the goddamned thing. Donation will be sent forthwith.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 28, 2007, 09:41:44 AM
Hey, wtf- my donation didn't make the meter change. I DEMAND LIVE ACCOUNTING FOR MY $25, DAMMIT.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Falwell on September 28, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
Donated cash as well as shipped a portion of my finest quality Hanson high gloss nudes. Autographed of course.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Bunk on September 28, 2007, 12:35:57 PM
Enjoy. (paypal has made this far too easy, didn't even need to pull out my wallet)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Grublet on September 28, 2007, 02:13:09 PM
1. Advertisers, or rather, companies who advertise dislike crude language.

They're a bunch of fucking fuckbag fuckwankers.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Soln on September 28, 2007, 02:46:29 PM
Paid.  Now where's my muthafuggin appropriately meme'd grief title?


Seriously.  If you guys are hurting on hosting, you should just create a private members section and charge a token amount for people to subscribe.  You already have it via the Beta boards.  Use that for people to pay for access to more Beta's and more Red names.  Easy.  It start to cover your costs.




(from the guy who first suggested you create an f13-luv-in and sell warez/swag)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Ookii on September 28, 2007, 02:52:19 PM
Seriously.  If you guys are hurting on hosting, you should just create a private members section and charge a token amount for people to subscribe.  You already have it via the Beta boards.  Use that for people to pay for access to more Beta's and more Red names.  Easy.  It start to cover your costs.

Wow, that sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen!  :roll:


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Velorath on September 28, 2007, 02:54:18 PM
I imagine that it would be a little more complicated to have people paying for a service rather than just donating, especially if you're using beta access as one of the incentives.  It leaves a huge possibility for sandy vaginas when schild gets 20 passes to give out and 40 "subscribers" want in and feel entitled to a beta pass because they've paid money (even if they aren't given a guarantee that they'll get into every beta).


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on September 28, 2007, 03:24:40 PM
Folks, this is a DONATION. You aren't entitled to anything other than a thank you, IMO. If you are planning to drop some money in the kitty in hopes of special treatment, you may want to reconsider.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Signe on September 28, 2007, 03:37:35 PM
Maybe you could send us some little ribbons to pin on our shirts.  That would be nice.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Ookii on September 28, 2007, 03:39:44 PM
Maybe you could send us some little ribbons to pin on our shirts.  That would be nice.

What color should they be?


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Grublet on September 28, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
Maybe you could send us some little ribbons to pin on our shirts.  That would be nice.

What color should they be?

Plain ribbons are boring. Can these ribbons ooze? You know, in memory of schild.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Soln on September 28, 2007, 03:50:38 PM
No no no.  I don't expect anything.  Come on.

I was proposing you think about something a paid membership might help with that's all. 


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 28, 2007, 04:50:42 PM
Numbers updated.

Paid membership requires paperwork that's not worth the time investing. If everyone gives on their own free will, everyone benefits.

Edit: I've gone through the list. I don't know who a handful of the people are, so I'm not going to make a list of people who donated. To say the least, we thank you. Muchly.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Signe on September 28, 2007, 05:19:26 PM
Maybe you could send us some little ribbons to pin on our shirts.  That would be nice.

What color should they be?

I don't know, but it should be fancy like Schild.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Sairon on September 28, 2007, 05:47:21 PM
23.89% of the way there!

As in for the whole year?

Anyway, I'm a piss poor student and have to feed my alcoholism atm  :-P

As soon as I start to rake in some cash, which should be fairly soon hopefully, I'd be happy to donate.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: hal on September 28, 2007, 06:36:28 PM
For my part. This was a great opportunity to show support for what this site is about. A game came out that you liked. I like it to although it is a type of game that I mostly suck at. That does not mean I do not enjoy playing. You made a server and through skill or luck it rocks. Very nice pings smooth as butter. I would like to help that effort. I have some disposable income. I am not ready to sign over my paychecks to you but I am prepaired to help in projects of this type. I will probally buy t-shirts as well as you come up with them. I honestly think you are sitting on more support than you know. I like the focus of your site. I like the content. The fact that I often disagree with you really has no bearing. I like what you are doing here. I like and respect your moderators. I am willing to show my like of your content from time to time. On my terms at my discression of course.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 28, 2007, 10:11:44 PM
Updated again, thanks goes to all!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 28, 2007, 11:20:35 PM
Updated yet again!  :-D

Did you know? 20 People have donated thus far.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: rattran on September 28, 2007, 11:33:38 PM
Hell, if I can piss away $100 on Hellgate:London and TF2, I can throw some money at a server. Someday, I may even get teamspeak to not crash me!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Oban on September 29, 2007, 07:59:16 AM
So the average donation size is about forty dollars? 

Man do I feel bad about chipping in ten less than everyone else.  I guess I can console myself with the fact that at least my posts are not as ... challenged as Hal's.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: NiX on September 29, 2007, 10:08:05 AM
Man do I feel bad about chipping in ten less than everyone else.

I only gave $10. But, I also live off the Government for my education and living expenses. However you look at it... I want my damn F13 hoodie!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Oban on September 29, 2007, 10:09:58 AM
Yes, let us buy shirts please.  Long sleeve, for those of us that have to experience winter, or short sleeve for those of you in hell.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 29, 2007, 06:10:17 PM
Updated, thanks!

As for the shirts and shit, yea, well, selling 1,000 shirts at $3 profit isn't exactly an efficient way to get this done. Hence the lack of a buy shit to fund this issue link.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Strazos on September 29, 2007, 06:27:52 PM
Still more than 0$.


EDIT: Just chipped my lewts in.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Triforcer on September 29, 2007, 09:09:24 PM
I'll have to chip in, but I wonder about F13's stance on using donation money to take a gay junket to England. 


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 29, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
That's not something we'd do, not that there's anything wrong with that.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on September 30, 2007, 06:00:22 PM
Updated! Thanks to all!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 01, 2007, 03:37:18 AM
Update: We're only about $400 and change from having the main f13 server paid off.  Odds are, we will go with a new server when we hit that mark. I want to upgrade this terribly old clunker to something supah speedeh.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 01, 2007, 10:10:59 AM
Updated! Exactly $438 from new f13 server for the year! Thanks to all!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 01, 2007, 03:29:31 PM
37.6%! Broke $1,000! :) :) :)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 01, 2007, 03:57:25 PM
Fat Lewtz!

There aren't any direct flights from Sky Harbor to Paris, are there?  :evil:


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Strazos on October 01, 2007, 04:39:52 PM
Wow, main F13 server is almost paid in full for a year?


...Impressive. Would be interesting to see the log of donations (minus the actual names, of course).


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 02, 2007, 02:22:01 AM
Ignore this! Percentage only went up .05 and only because I took change into account! Nonetheless, thanks for everything! :)

Quote
Would be interesting to see the log of donations (minus the actual names, of course).

Donations have ranged from $5 to $250.

That's the closest thing you'll get to a list.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: NiX on October 02, 2007, 09:22:45 AM
$250? I feel so cheap. Whoever donated that, you rock.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 02, 2007, 10:51:01 AM
Updated! Also, seems I've found a kickass coupon, I don't want to post about the new pricing until it's all confirmed for server configurations, but for now the number is 38.39%. Thanks again!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on October 02, 2007, 11:11:30 AM
This seemed like the perfect place for a joke but I decided against it and deleted the post.  In the interest of not being an asshole, even if it was really funny.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 02, 2007, 11:15:36 AM
I imagine it was a jew joke.

Yes, it was probably funny.

Now I'm making jew jokes at work about the kick ass coupon. :(


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: WayAbvPar on October 02, 2007, 11:21:39 AM
I imagine it was a jew joke.

Yes, it was probably funny.

Now I'm making jew jokes at work about the kick ass coupon. :(

I was assuming it was an ass joke, but I guess I a jew joke works too.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on October 02, 2007, 11:35:06 AM
You are both so wrong.  Having two jew friends keeps the jew-jokes to a minimum... that and the fact that there are no jews in Alabama and all of my jokes pertain to black people.  It pains me to know that you will remain forever ignorant of my awesome humor.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: NiX on October 02, 2007, 08:51:18 PM
Now that's just not fair. You must tell!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on October 03, 2007, 12:58:59 PM
Oh, the pain!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Samwise on October 03, 2007, 06:15:46 PM
You are both so wrong.  Having two jew friends keeps the jew-jokes to a minimum...

That's funny, having jew-friends has always had the exact opposite effect on me.  Who else are you going to tell your jew-jokes to?


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 04, 2007, 01:36:00 AM
You are both so wrong.  Having two jew friends keeps the jew-jokes to a minimum...
That's funny, having jew-friends has always had the exact opposite effect on me.  Who else are you going to tell your jew-jokes to?
Too easy.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: NiX on October 04, 2007, 07:12:20 AM
Too easy.

Black people?


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on October 04, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
Suddenly this thread is a minefield.

I like to make my jew-jokes to native americans.  Those drunk fuckers will laugh at anything.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 05, 2007, 05:53:59 AM
A few people have donated this week and I'm waiting for a check to clear to get the proper numbers from PayPal. Should be updated shortly. Looks like one server is paid off though :)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Big Gulp on October 09, 2007, 04:23:19 PM
That's not something we'd do, not that there's anything wrong with that.

How about a gay junket to Michigan, tiger?  I've got the scented oils and lotions ready to go.  I've also got a wide assortment of candles for mood, and the dentist's chair finally has the hydraulics equipped...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/spaeschke/costanza.jpg)

ETA:  $250!?!  I am a cheap bastard, apparently.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Hoax on October 09, 2007, 05:09:03 PM
Yeah, $250 fuckin-a, I was thinking $30 at the start of Nov, stretched a bit due to moving and two actual games worth buying..


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 09, 2007, 05:10:04 PM
I'm gonna have updated numbers tomorrow, we're slowly getting to... 50%. New f13 server will probably be bought Friday.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 10, 2007, 07:17:03 AM
Having subsidized a monetary value not even worth mentioning, f13 now has a new server for the year. Migration should happen in the next 10 days or so. f13.games is next, let's do this! Thanks so much to everyone!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Yegolev on October 10, 2007, 01:21:30 PM
Hey, thanks for letting us hang out in your Internet and drink your beer.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 10, 2007, 01:53:29 PM
My internets have open doors. (can't afford doors)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Azazel on October 12, 2007, 12:57:55 AM
You should have a comment field in the donation box. I wanted to send mine on behalf of the Nintendo Wii.



Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 12, 2007, 08:02:46 AM
OK GUYS. PRESSING THE RESET BUTTON ON THE NUMBERS.

First server is paid for. At current discount pricing, next server will run $1,055.44 for the year.

Right now we are at 9.4% of the second server. Thanks to everyone! :)


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: tazelbain on October 12, 2007, 08:10:58 AM
I don't understand the "for the year" part.  If you are buying new servers, wouldn't it be "forever"?


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 12, 2007, 08:31:22 AM
It's not colo. It's rented servers. You know X Dollars a month = Y Dollars a year, we're paying the Y. I don't have an OC-128 running into my house unfortunately.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: cmlancas on October 12, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
I don't have an OC-128 running into my house unfortunately yet.

FIFY. This should be a tax deduction, I tell you!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Oban on October 12, 2007, 10:15:34 AM
It's not colo. It's rented servers. You know X Dollars a month = Y Dollars a year, we're paying the Y. I don't have an OC-128 running into my house unfortunately.

No clue what the fuck OC-128 is.  There is OC-3, OC-12, OC-48, OC-192 and the unicorn-like mythical OC-768.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Ookii on October 12, 2007, 10:21:48 AM
It's not colo. It's rented servers. You know X Dollars a month = Y Dollars a year, we're paying the Y. I don't have an OC-128 running into my house unfortunately.

No clue what the fuck OC-128 is.  There is OC-3, OC-12, OC-48, OC-192 and the unicorn-like mythical OC-768.

And Oc-1, which we'll use the donation button part 3 for!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Trippy on October 12, 2007, 07:35:20 PM
I don't have an OC-128 running into my house unfortunately yet.
FIFY. This should be a tax deduction, I tell you!
If it's for your business it is tax deductible.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 29, 2007, 06:04:10 PM
WEEEEEEEEEEEE. UPDATE TIME:

23.4% of the way to the second server. Only about $800 to go. Nearly exactly $800. $804 to be exact. :)

Awesome, for real. Too awesome for that awesome smiley in fact.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Ookii on October 29, 2007, 08:03:10 PM
C'mon people, Daddy needs more blow.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on October 30, 2007, 03:46:39 PM
48.3% of the way there!

Some kind soul beat the old record and donated $251!!!!

I love competition.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Strazos on October 30, 2007, 07:21:38 PM
Ok, who's the moneybags? Sniper needs a new C2D rig.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Velorath on October 31, 2007, 12:55:35 AM
I still think schild should look into the amazon.com associates thing myself.  From what I've seen, it's fairly easy to get going, and I'm sure a lot of us order shit from amazon anyway.  No extra cost for us, and he gets a small comission off what we order in theory.  He can even set up what they call an A-Store (basically a mini amazon store), and make sections for PS2 JRPGs, MP3 downloads, video game art books, and all the other weird shit he's into when he's not here telling us how much the Wii sucks.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Strazos on October 31, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
I believe this idea to have merit.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Soukyan on December 14, 2007, 12:56:41 PM
I still think schild should look into the amazon.com associates thing myself.  From what I've seen, it's fairly easy to get going, and I'm sure a lot of us order shit from amazon anyway.  No extra cost for us, and he gets a small comission off what we order in theory.  He can even set up what they call an A-Store (basically a mini amazon store), and make sections for PS2 JRPGs, MP3 downloads, video game art books, and all the other weird shit he's into when he's not here telling us how much the Wii sucks.

I like this idea, too.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on December 14, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
The Wii won't be in the store if I do that.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Sky on December 18, 2007, 06:53:33 AM
The Wii won't be in the store if I do that.
That's bad capitalism.

You can hate it, write that you hate it, and make money if someone buys it. That's good capitalism!


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: cmlancas on December 19, 2007, 04:06:45 PM
The Wii won't be in the store if I do that.
That's capischildism.

FIFY


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: sidereal on December 20, 2007, 11:14:25 PM
I wouldn't take advice on capitalism from Chairman Meow


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on December 21, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
56% of the way there! Thanks! You guys rock.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on December 28, 2007, 11:59:31 PM
We're roughly $250-$300 from either another year on f13 or another server, depending on what people REALLY DESPERATELY WANT.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: Pococurante on December 29, 2007, 08:36:26 PM
Ok I go away for a fiscal quarter and f13 gang are doing the 'Less Than Zero' bit to hang on clipping their toenails in public. :)  Seriously the "Antiquarian Mason" hopes that bit helps.  Happy New Year.


Title: Re: Donation Button and Server Information, in the interest of full disclosure.
Post by: schild on December 31, 2007, 07:10:14 AM
80% of the way to server fees.

I'm just going to keep the button up, skip on ads, and let things do what they do best. Work themselves out.

Thanks a lot, everyone. Means a lot.