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The last Star Trek thread was over 120 days old and I got barked at for considering a necro :) But ya'all may have seen this already:

Slashdot article (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/27/165205&from=rss) about this (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-ap-people-leonard-nimoy,1,1796383.story?coll=chi_tab03_layout).

Nimoy is in the next Trek movie as Spock and Sylvar plays his younger self. Sylar as Spock is just awesome.

He can turn water into snow.

Sylar as Spock is great casting. A young Shat though? That's going to be a tough one.

Actually, I know who it is, and it's going to surprise you a bit.  He's known, but not a household name.  Can't say who it is though, as he's a friend of mine.  He didn't mean to tell me, in fact, it was by complete and total accident (overheard through VOIP whilst playing with him on xBox Live). 

But you may or may be pleasantly surprised when it pops. 

It's ok, my cousin Natalie already told me.

bhaha..

Looks like they've tapped Simon Pegg to play Scotty (http://icv2.com/articles/home/11458.html)

I had my money on the guy that just got offed from Stargate Atlantis -- the doctor guy.

Snakecharmer, tell your friend to fund f13. We need rich people with more money than sense.

I like Star Trek as much as the next nerd, but Jesus.  They just need to fucking stop with the Trek for a year or ten.

For me, Pegg is a really silly choice.  I'd be prepared to accept SA Doc, though, since he's probably the most authentic Scot I've ever seen in a Sci-Fi show.  The episode where they send Videos home before Impending Death actually managed to capture an aspect of Gentle Highlands.

At one time I heard Gary Sinise was going to be the new McCoy.

I thought that was perfect, but it's gotta be bullshit, right? Seems like everyone being cast is half as old as he is.

Bear in mind that McCoy was actually older than most of the others serving on the starship.  There was a book that explained how he and Kirk became friends, despite the age difference...

I was just reading up... Now the rumor is that Karl Urban is McCoy.

Umm what? If you don't know him, he's the musclehead who played the main guy in Doom, Eomer is LotR, the Russian dude that killed Damon's girlfriend in the 2nd Bourne flick, and the guy in that ridiculous viking movie.

And now John Cho (Harold from Harold and Kumar) has been cast as Sulu.  This cast would almost be better suited for a sequel to Galaxy Quest.

I can't get past any attempt at a young Shatner coming off to a trek person as blasphemous, or at best to a regular person, mildly campy.  Not to get hung up on the Captain Kirk character, which I admit thinking was awesome when I was younger, but Shatner himself is just kind of a unique guy.  I don't think acting skills like that exist.

I bet Ryan Reynolds (the Van Wilder guy) could pull it off.  It's all about the aura of supreme confidence.

John Cho was great (and not at all funny) in Better Luck Tomorrow.

Does anyone know if this is going to be a "faithful" Star Trek movie, or are they going for a reboot or re-imagining a la Battlestar Galactica?  As much as I've enjoyed Star Trek over the years, it really is a burned out franchise at this point and would be better served by leaving it alone for a little while longer.

I don't think Star Trek 'do' alternate canons.

Thousands of trekkie brains would short out attempting to reconcile the two.

It would be too messy to contemplate.



The stardate thing gives them a hard enough time already.

I don't think the franchise need to sit idle for a few years as much as it needs to be freed from Berman and Braga who have been running it since Roddenberry died. They're the ones who ran out of ideas.

Paul McGillion tried to (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/10/mcgillion_up_for_star_trek_role.shtml), but I'm guessing Abrams wanted to work with Pegg again after having a taste of him with Mission Impossible 3.  As far as actors go, I think Pegg has a better chance of pulling it off, to be honest.

Sadly, I'm thinking Abram's conception of Scotty is "fat Scottish comic relief".

Are you fucking kidding me ??

You do know what the other movies did to the continuity, right ?

They Shatnered on it.

Every movie's reinvented something and the series with the most runs even reinvented their own pasts. And that's not even including the alternate-timeline/multiverse stuff.

And this doesn't even touch on the books :)

http://www.trektoday.com/news/151007_01.shtml


Never heard of him before.

I saw him once in some Lindsay Lohan movie.

...

Why I'm even admitting to that, i don't know.

He was in Smokin' Aces. The last crazy nazi brother that got shot in the end.

Confirmed (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071018/film_nm/startrek_dc_1)

Seriously, that makes no sense whatsoever.

He does have some slightly similar mannerisms.

And I thought the prior guy who was going to play Kirk was a near-perfect fit. Chris Pine is even more so in my opinion.

That's pretty huge.  Hopefully it's an indicator that the Star Trek script is good, because a role in White Jazz is nothing to pass on.

There is no perfect fit for Kirk Shatner.

Not saying Pine will be bad though... But he won't really be Kirk.


But wtf to that other guy. There's nothing about Karl Urban that convinces me that he can say "I'm just a country doctor".

The only one I can't understand is Urban. I just don't get it.

For me it's something of the resemblance to the doctor from Firefly. I sort of consider him the "country doctor" type even in a futuristic setting. It's the mannerisms. I think this guy can pull that off. He also kinda looks like one of the doctors from Grey's Anatomy. Can't remember his name.

(http://www.karljkaul.com/images/comedy/outtakes/peggot01.jpg)

Looks like my favorite self destructive babe is playing Spock's mom. Link (http://www.cinematical.com/2007/11/09/winona-ryder-joins-star-trek-xi-as-spocks-mom/)

I guess this means that they won't quite be brushing over his side of the story then...? I mean, she's not exactly cameo material.

She's not?

I'd say she is.

That said, Spock and his backstory is really the most interesting thing about TOS Start.

Kirk and Bones being friends is probably the only close contender.

I'd say she's in... a "rebuilding" phase like Downey Jr and Woody Harrellson were (Woody's probably still there..).

Of course, she's not as talented as Downey, but her looks (which she still has) makes up for it.

So no, not cameo material. Fuck, I hope not. I like her.

Guess makes sense since they were all in the same little trippy flick together.  http://imdb.com/title/tt0405296/

In finding that link I came across this tidbit.  They are remaking The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Whoa Reeves as Klaatu.  Someone please bomb Hollywood now, too depressing to even link.

Lol. That's funny. In Woody's defence, he's playing in No Country For Old Men, which looks like an awesome flick.

Winona playing in Star Trek just seems odd to me. It's on par with her playing in Alien Resurrection, which was equally strange. I give her credit for taking on cool projects though.

I don't think it needs to be remade, but I'm not a Keanu hater really.

Winona, eh?

She could really steal the show.

I constantly make fun of him but more often then not I enjoy the hell out of his movies.  Maybe in spite of him but he is good in certain roles even if I always think his next line is going to be him yelling Wild Stallions and doing some air guitar.  But this is just not a good fit and like you said its not a remake that needs to even be touched. 

To get back on topic I love Winona Ryder and more of her is always a good thing imo, even another Star Trek movie.

If she lets the girls out, definitely.

Or if she shoves it in her purse while in the dressing room.

I need a tongue in cheek smiley.

My humor doesn't work here.

You guys see the Trek trailer yet (http://io9.com/346606/star-trek-trailer-will-hurt-your-head)?

Yeah, I knew it was a Trek trailer immediately. Without knowing they had a movie coming out.

I'm kind interested to see how well they pull off the designs without coming off as too retro. As good as the core characters were, just about everything from the original series has the 60's written all over it. The transporter and door swooshing sounds, the lack of detail in the ship model, the primitive "switch" controls of the bridge, the uniforms, the haircuts of both men and women.. It doesn't really have a timeless look, like say, Star Wars did.

On a sidenote: Did anyone ever see that DS9 tribble episode, where they merged old footage with new? That was brilliant... and really funny. But it was intended to be funny. It's going to be hard to escape that here. I mean hell... Just about every non-fan I know even laughs at the 80's films, like Wrath of Khan. That's retro to them too.

Never saw the DS9 episode, but it sounds fun.

I think the JJ Abrams movie is going to reinvent a lot of things. It's an origin story that only seems to share character names with the other (and just as inconsistent) origin stories. But they probably figure ST needs this sort of kick-start, to make what was Star Trek relevant for the younger audiences today that probably largely don't care. Basically, queue that Penny Arcade strip about who this isn't for :-) Not that I agree that's the way it should go, but it seems to be what they're thinking.

So, whatever happened in TOS (sounds, ambience, models), probably doesn't matter. They'll likely throw some homages in there (maybe red doors and Majel Barrett voiceovers), but I personally don't expect a representation of the original at well.

Heck, they just showed Scotty (?) using a 20th century welder :wink:

I just assumed it'd look retro, because the ship in that trailer does. Maybe you're right though.



The DS9 episode is called Trials and Tribble-ations. I always tell people that ds9 is mostly a funny show (even when it's serious), and that one is a good example.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/c/c5/The_Klingon_question.jpg)

Worf on the strange appearance of the Klingons in the background:

"We do not talk about it with outsiders."

It's the best hommage piece ever made.  The writers were in good form and the actors were having such a blast that the entire episode comes off perfectly.

The DS9 Tribbles episode was a real classic, easily as good as the original Tribbles episode.

And it was the first time Star Trek ever actually acknowledged the difference between old time Klingons and the modern ones. The difference was actually explained in the last season of Enterprise once they'd purged the Vampire Space Nazis from their system.

The last season of Enterprise was actually pretty good - particularly the brain-twisting Mirror Universe arc, which tied in to  at least three different original series eps.

A pity they'd already burned all their karma by then.

It was explained in the books some 15 years ago.


Actually, probably more.  Fuck, I'm old.

I never read any of the books. Was the explanation there the same as in Enterprise?

I think I recall that the explanation was that old-style klingons were half-breeds and that the full blooded klingons didn't see fit to 'intermingle' with the inferior races.

Ironwood is correct. However, I've avoided bringing up the books as a valid reference for lore because they, like the Star Wars stuff, always follow the whim of the mothership. Most lore is merely expanded upon in the books, not the other way around.

FUCK THIS LAPTOP.

Ahem.

Imperial Strain Klingons.

Apparently, the TOS Klingon Ships were staffed with Half-breeds and footsoldiers that were seen by the Klingon high command as entirely expendable.  The wrinkly forehead denotes the 'Imperial' chaps who either stayed home like pussies planning with BIG BRAINS or were on board the ships hiding when they blew up.

Of course, none of this explains why Kor, Koloth and, er, that other one then appeared on DS9 in full wrinkly headed glory.

That was, of course, another brilliant episode of DS9.  Which was good because most of DS9 was utter, utter shite.

Finally something I can completely disagree with you about, yay!

DS9 was the best Star Trek after TOS (and TOS is only the best because childhood memories and whatnot). At least the later parts of the series.

That's fine, but you're not going to get an argument.

As in 'It's not Worth My Time'.

DS9 started off as sorta promising, but wandered badly into the 'War Makes Everything Fun' style of dreadfulness.  Along the way it grabbed the 'Race Makes Everything Interesting', 'The Holodeck Makes Everything Interesting', 'Terry Farrel Makes Everything Interesting' and then, worse, 'Romantic Intrigue Makes Everything Interesting.  They only BARELY managed to pull off 'Time Travel Makes Everything Interesting'.

I simply will not speak about 'Religion Makes Everything Interesting'.   At all.  Fuck those episodes.  Fuck that Kai bitch.  Fuck all that shite.  She would have got shanked a long, long time ago.

In almost all of these it was wrong.  I'll let them away with Klingons and Ferengi making shit interesting, but that's about it.  Oh, and Garak.  Garak fucking rocked.

By the end of DS9 the writing was on the wall for the 'tone' that Voyager was going to have and, by God, did it take the suck stick and run with it.  By the End of Voyager we knew that Enterprise would have to be a total reboot or it would eat the sludgy shit off our shoes.  And, by God, Lizard Space Nazis.

The Next Generation was the only good modern Trek.  And, yes, I'm counting all the movies from Generations onwards as total and utter worthless garbage.

It's my favorite. Every episode was bound to have some humor in it, it had the best Trek villain ever, and wasn't heavily serialized like the other series. The story in the first episode didn't really come to a conclusion until the very end, 7 seasons later.

[edit] Damn, I thought the TNG movies were great. That's really my first appreciation for all of it. The movies won me over -- especially First Contact.

Either way though, it's all pretty fun. I don't see how someone who could like one could have so much hate for everything else.

What ?

I'm saying you're being a little dramatic.

Its ok, we can't agree on everything. Thats one of the downsides of your gimmick accounts escaping!  :-)

Garak fucking rocked, we can agree on that.

I like long story arches. Maybe thats why I prefer DS9 over "everything is back to normal after this episode" TNG or "what do you mean the crew members of that other ship vanished into thin air" Voyager.

And, for some reason I never will be able to understand, I hate the character of Geordi La Forge. The only Star Fleet chief engineer I despise. I hope that isn't latent racism.

Just because I honestly believe that people who liked First Contact should be deep fried in batter and then consumed by the inhabitants of Springburn at some monthly celebration ?

Surely not.

It was funny. I keep on saying this, but that's pretty much my rule of thumb with sci-fi (either that, or lots of vehicular carnage).

Data was funny (as usual), and the Warp Drive dude was funny. And the Borg Queen was pretty hot. Winning combo right there, man.

Later on, after having my interest sparked in Trek, I found that there was a lot of humor in all of it. But DS9 was the best for it imo.

Alice Krige was hot ?

What ?

DEEP FRIED I TELL YOU.

She was getting old by the time that movie was made, but yeah, she was hot in a way. Probably the last time she was. Black leather helps. That woman has "fuck me" eyes.

Whats with you Scots and deep frying everything? And how can I get a Scot to move over here to do it. That deep fried Mars bar I saw in a documentary intrigues me.

Garak did indeed rock.

Garak:  Please, my daughter is a slave in a mine!  Help me save her!
Kira:  I hate you, but I guess I can help even you with a task like this.
(...)
Garak:  Okay, we've found my daughter!  This is great!
Kira:  Aw Garak, it's nice to see that even you have a heart after all.
Garak:  Now to kill her!
Kira:  WTF!
Garak:  Yeah, why else would I be here?

That wasn't Garak. That was Gul Dukat who also rocked.

They took his character right off the deep end.

No pun intended.

DS9 sucked ass. Mostly because I hated the Captain with a purple passion. There was something about him that made me think he wasn't very fond of white people and it showed. The actor I mean, not the character. That and the only interesting characters in the show were the villains. Worf was too little, too late.

First Contact was the only good Next Gen movie so I think Ironwood might be slightly insane on that count. It had the Borg damn it! And we found out that the Federation was a bunch of communists/socialists! Come on!

The casting of this movie honestly makes me wonder if it's not going to be intentionally funny with Kumar (or Harold I forget which) as Sulu and Simon Pegg as Scotty. The only clearer sign would be casting Jim Carrey as Kirk.

OK, now that's funny. And far more dramatic than Ironwood, I must say.


[edit] Kumar isn't funny.

Didn't jim Carry do Kirk in skits while on In Living Color?  Or was that someone else?

Yep. The best one was the Wrath of Farakhan (sp?) about how Kirk was repressing his whole bridge crew.

"What do you mean we Caucosoid?" Heh. I laughed so hard.

Hated DS9, but in the previous thread like this (or was it this one), I came to understand that it was because I left the show before it got good. And let's all be clear here: TNG didn't begin to get good until well into the third season. You just were more likely to stick with it because it'd been 30 years since the last Trek TV show and probably just came off the high that was Wrath of Kahn on video.

First Contact rocked. No it wasn't Star Trek any more than Independence Day was real sci-fi. But you sat there and went with it because it was a well constructed movie, relative to the rest of the trek movies (except Wrath of Kahn, which was just everything done right). The rest were all "fine" as trek stories, but that's saying that SW: Ep 3 was "fine" as a SW story. It's all in the context of a wayverymuch lowered bar.

DS9 was the only good modern Trek. Period.

TNG was pablam. It had a great cast, but the stories were way way way too touchy-feely-lovey-everything's-gonna-be-all-right for my tastes. There wasn't enough asskicking. They focused way too much on Data's search for humanity, and Riker's search for putting the sausage in someone, anyone, NOW NOW NOW. Having to strike up a Betazoid/Klingon romance stunk of desperation.

Voyager... fuck me, that show started on shaky ground and got worse the more we saw the Afrozoids. Brining in a hot Borg chick was like reaching through the screen to handjob all the worthless Trek donks on the planet in an effort to get them to stop dissing the show. It only worked on the virgins, which does make up a large portion of that Trek audience but still. It was insulting. I didn't even watch Enterprise.

Voyager did have the Doctor... He was funny. Very gay though. Or maybe he was just a prissy straight guy. I was never sure. And outside TNG, it had a good deal of Q episodes. Those are always good.

I'll agree though that the show as a whole just wasn't that good (even Enterprise might be better), but despite that, I think Janeway could probably kick every captain's ass, even Kirk's. She was practically suicidal (and not in a Kirk-I'm-Just-Bullshitting-You-Kind-of-Way).

You mean Captain "The Prime Directive is Our Top Priority / Damn the Prime Directive!" Janeway?  The tough captain role didn't work for her.  Or my perception of her.  The Doctor was good.  I liked Kim even though there was no "hook" to his character.  Everyone else I can remember grated on my nerves most of the time.

No, I mean, I bet she holds a record or something for having the most reckless, suicidal battle plans -- with an additional plan of putting the ship on self-destruct mode in case that fails. Hell, even the premise of the show, and why they got to the Delta Quadrant was because of her recklessness.

See, I HATED Q stories. With a passion. I liked the actor they had playing him, but the whole concept just tweaked my testicles. Maybe it was the same reason I hated Holodeck stories, it just seemed like some writers pet period piece with ZOMG Star Trek.

The characters on Voyager I liked. I even liked Janeway to start with, though she quickly got on my nerves. The only characters I didn't like were the alien hitchhikers (the cook and wispy hot chick). I just thought the situations and especially the villains were ass, especially the Afroids.

I just want to know which poor bastard had to mop all the jizz out of the Holodeck after each use. Since you KNOW that is what it would be used for 99.99999999% of the time. I figure that is probably how they got the red shirts who die every other away mission: they had a choice of squeegee duty or exploring some incredibly hazardous alien planet, and chose the lesser of two evils.

I liked most of the Holodeck stories on TGN, like when Picard was playing a private eye, and the first Sherlock Holmes episode.  The Voyager holodeck stuff, otoh, was incredibly painful to watch.

I thought the Flash Gordon/Tom Paris shit was pretty funny. At least one of the episodes was.

DS9 had Garak and Bashir trying to do some James Bond thing, which was funny too.

I don't hate Voyager, but it definitely makes me go meh for the most part.  There were some bits that I enjoyed.  Seven of Nine was an obvious attempt at snagging some virgin viewership, but she actually turned out to be a fairly interesting character.  Although they used the word "individual" too much when referring to her.  "I'm trying to learn what it means to be an individual," "Seven, I'm trying to show you what it means to be an individual," and so on.

Tuvok is actually one of my favorite characters of all the series.  It took four different Star Trek shows before we really got to learn more about Vulcan culture and psychology than "we're logical, we suppress our emotions, and we're strong."  Even Spock was more about the conflict between his Vulcan and Human heritage than about his actual Vulcan heritage.

Oh yes, Seven of Nine was Data with tits.

I disagree with that completely. Data was just curious about humanity, and Seven's story was about rehabilitation and being all conflicted and shit. Plus, she was more concerned with being an individual, not necessarily a "human" one. Big difference there. And as for the actor's themselves -- Spiner is just a funny guy through and through. Even when he's just in the background, tapping away at the console, I kind of laugh a bit. Something very Buster Keaton-ish about him, I don't know. Jeri Ryan played it cold and robotic -- but in a very mean, callous way. Whenever it did happen to be funny, it was in the extent of just how cold she could be. She has more in common with Spock in that respect.

My theory: Fed into the replicators and used to create food. Hey, it's all protein...right?  :grin:

Another reason why DS9 was the best modern Trek - Quark was pretty upfront about what his holodecks were mostly used for.

Of course, the main reason why it was the best modern Trek was that is was ripping off Babylon 5 left, right and centre.

You make that sound like a bad thing. Twice the amount of Babylon 5 is good in my books.

Nah, I like DS9 - I just freely admit what it was, um, 'inspired by'.  :awesome_for_real:

All the toilets on the ship (not that we ever saw any on the show) fed right back into the replicators.  So yes, there's no doubt in my mind that holodeck jizz was reclaimed that way.  Along with any replicated props that were used in the simulation -- any object you picked up in the holodeck was seamlessly replicated as a real object, which is why you could eat holodeck food.  This also means that any holodeck people you interact with in close quarters are replicated meat puppets being pushed around by tractor beams.   :grin: