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http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=558837&page=1 (http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=558837&page=1)

Still early, and a lot of claims going around, but it appears that a guy name Flatliner robbed Evolution of pretty much everything of value other than their locked down Tech 2 BPO's.  He can't give an itemized listing because his account was banned although he claims he did nothing against the EULA - simple straightforward corp theft is his claim.  Their are claims the account ban was requested by Sir Molle which I have difficulty believing.  Even CCP wouldn't be dumb enough put themselves in that position again about jumping at Bob's orders.  I hope ...

Anyway, skip to page 4 for where the interesting stuff starts.  Claim is it's worth about 100 billion.

Str0be > i musta robbed a good 100billion, maybe more
alt > describe what you stole
Str0be > capitals, minerals bpos
Str0be > low, mid, high slots and ammo
Str0be > tabs
Str0be > in alenia, 3 stations, kfie 2 stations, jo- 1 huge amount
Str0be > only thing i never got was locked down tech 2
Str0be > they are evols 3 main areas
alt > welp
alt > how exactly did you do it?
Str0be > had access to it
Str0be > was trusted member on Flatliner
Str0be > been in and out of evol for years
alt > do you still have access to bob forums/iRC?
alt > can you give me the password to #bob so I can see if you're
Str0be > naa password was in for awhile
Str0be > #evol was knickers
Str0be > for #bob - use goonlush
Str0be >
alt > welp
alt > ahahah
alt > it's true oh ****
Str0be > see
Str0be > confirmation
Str0be >
alt > oh **** ahahahha oh man I love you
Str0be > true, but you guys need to hit jo- and around there
Str0be > they have no logistics, real mess
Str0be > i took all the minerals etc
Str0be > say hi to my red brothers
Str0be > tovaritch
Str0be > i got all the stront in jo
Str0be > and pos fuels
Str0be > and dreads
Str0be > lotso of them
Str0be > they are weak
alt > how many dreads?
Str0be > 8+ that i quickly saw, tons of ships
Str0be > and freighters
Str0be > loads of battleships
Str0be > command ships etc
Str0be > everything
Str0be > some say 300bills worth
Str0be > but i cant login to be sure

Let the drama begin.

My opinion:  shrug, big deal, yet another corp theft, nothing new.  What drama? 

My bet is it'll turn out that the logs show that the guy did hack something (we won't see the logs of course), and the stuff will get reimbursed, after which the forums will get moderated or shut down for a couple days and CCP will announce a major patch or release a set of ships or something.

Same old same old.

Evolution, aside from being SirMolle's own corp, also follows a communist-esque ideology in that all money, modules, POSes, ships, etc. are owned by the corp, stored in corp hangers, and then doled out to their members when needed.

Therefore the second* Goonswarm response to this theft after it was confirmed was: "EVOL pilots are now primaries"

(*The first being  :roflcopter: :roffle: :popcorn: :rofl: :woot: :rock_hard: :thumbs_up:, natch)

Edit: The thief's account has been unlocked by CCP, and CCP have confirmed no foul play (hax, etc) was involved.

I waded through a suprisingly decent pair of threads. Long story short:

Guy stole 100bn+.
A corp-member saw it, said "Wait, he woudln't do that" and petitioned it as possible account theft.
GM's flagged it, froze the account, determined it wasn't hacked, and unfroze it -- took about 30 to 45 minutes.
Guy is now free to log back in, with his 100bn+ in NPC stations and probably playing "How much money can I get them to pay for their own stuff back"?

Approx how much is 200bn as a percentage of Evolution's net worth?

Stop being obtuse and trying to couch it in terms of "yawn, another corp theft, so the fuck what dumbass".  I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you but WTH, here you go - I didn't mean to imply that the corp theft was dramatic or going to cause drama, nor am I impressed by corp theft.  The drama part is whether the claim that he was banned at the request of Bob is true or not.  Hopefully we will find out if the banning was justified or not.  I'm guessing "not justified" until proven otherwise by a CCP and a Bob that has a proven track record of bending the rules to suit themselves.

The thief claims he took pretty much everything that wasn't nailed down. That plus no private ownership = serious trouble for EVOL in fuelling towers, if nothing else.

The real money is the tech 2 BPO's which weren't touched.  Having said that, 100-300 billion is a lot of isk.  I've heard the words "this is going to take us a long time to recover from" used on TS.

How does someone steal all that, do they have to load up a freighter or something with the goods and slip away?

Moving the loot from the corp hangers to the pilot's private hanger(s) is the usual modus operandi.

Edit:
They're not worth as much as they were a year ago, though - Invention has driven the price of T2 gear through the floor in most cases.

He got unbanned within 45 minutes. The GM's stated they froze the account (different than a banning) because it got petitioned as an account theft and because of the sheer scale, they conducted a quick audit of the account. This is standard practice for CCP for very large transactions involving a single individual.

He's unfrozen and was happily posting, and the freeze happened after the theft was complete.

Miasma: Evol keeps the stuff in NPC stations, so he basically moved it from corp hangers to his own personal hanger. He'll probably sell it all back to Evol for pure ISK.

Edited to add: This is supposedly standard practice for CCP, according to CCP -- it's certainly common sense to freeze first, investigate, then restore the account, especially if you can do so quickly. (And all of this was resolved in well under an hour, which is 'quickly').

You don't know how happy I am to hear that.  Seems like they are finally getting their act together and making a real effort to stop being a BoB tool.

Stolen from Eve-O.  Pretty good spin and PR damage control:

"This is the only official statement you will recieve from Evolution regarding this incident.

Flatliner did indeed clean out several of our hangars. It was him, he was not hacked, and Evolution is not contesting this, crying h4x, or sploit. It was a legit theft.

Flatliner has been a good friend of ours, and mine, for years. He used this friendship in an attempt to destroy us, for his own reasons. I know not the real reason behind this, and in truth, I don't care. What is done is done.

Evolution has ample reserves and while noone would be stupid enough to sit here and claim a blow like this doesn't hurt ingame, the reality is that much of the assets lost have already been replaced, and this in no way affects the strength of Evolution, or BoB. I know the muppet brigade is salivating... and to you I say what Evolution always says. Bring it.

This is a testament to the strength and attitude of those of us who are on this ride we call Evolution.

Events like this destroy weak corps.
Events like this strengthen strong corps.

We'll continue to Evolve."

While the "We didn't want those assets anyways!" is annoying, I do believe that Evolution has probably already recovered from the majority of the lost stuff. The Corp is too old and established for a mere couple hundred billion to be it's sole stockpile. I would love for it to have been their  sole pile of stuff and that they would truly be hurting... but between members personal assets (commie corp or not, people build up there own hoards) and locked containers hidden far far away under a roid in a belt etc, this probably won't phase them too badly financially.


Probably shakes their trust a little bit though, which is the real important part of a theft like this. "Billy was my friend, why did Billy do this? I've known Billy for years... it doesn't make sense, It can't make sense  :oops: "

How many members does Evolution have?  That'll put the "couple hundred billion" in perspective.  I know they're all advanced players, but have no clue as to their numbers.

As for "their trust", I can't imagine corp assets theft is a shock to anyone anymore; there have been so many of them, and more importantly, a lot of them done by "old friends" rather than con artists.  That's why my reaction was "meh".  The only possible shock value would be in the 200 billion number, and that's already being downplayed.

Kamen, it was my opinion, and it hasn't changed.  Others have posted, the thread continues.  I like how you manage it and keep it going; it's your thread, good job.

Agreed Fordel.  Although this is now the biggest heist to date in Eve the real wealth of corp's like Evolution is in their absurd pile of Tech 2 BPO's which are safely locked down in the hanger.  100-300 billion isk ain't chump change, but it's not even close to a death blow to a corp like Evolution.

They'll recover from this financially, I have no doubt of that, but a betrayal of trust from somebody you considered a friend of many years has got to sting.  I have two other people in my corp who I've been gaming with for 5 years.  If one of those two were to jump up tonight and yell "haha, I scammed you!" and run off with everything that wasn't nailed down, the last thing I'd be upset about would be the financial setback.

In PvP games ov EvE's vein there are no friends, only future targets.   The only folks I'd EVER trust are those within reach of a bat.

Rule #1 is "Look out for #1."

While the 25 billion in Remedial's titan fund theft was huge, apparently ten times that is nothing special.

Since he claims 6-8 dreads and 300B in loses, EVOL must sure had a lot of fuel lying around in their hangars.


My stance on the whole thing pretty much.

If you pardon my shitty analogy, it's similar to a car accident. Everyone knows they happen, no one is surprised when they happen, but no one really and honestly expects it to happen to them.

No one drives around thinking and expecting "Today, I am going to get in a crash!" and I imagine Evolution didn't fly around in EVE thinking "Today, our corp assets will be looted!". Almost no one does, maybe except for the Goons, they practically encourage it  :wink: . I have little doubt that Evolution command was prepared for something like this, but it doesn't take the sting of Billy betraying you away.

It might hurt a Corp like Evolution even more then your average corp mentally, since Evolution has been around for so long and has been "The Best" for just as long. I'm fairly certain many Evo members have(had) a sense that things like Corp theft were only for those other scrub corps, with all the noobs and tards in them. Not for mighty Evo etc.



As to there numbers, Evo is at least 100+ of the oldest and most established EVE players around. I can't account for alts or activity, but I am sure of that much.

This is not surprising. Flatliner only managed to get 222 kills over 3 years? He did not participate in bob's forums at all. I guess evolution was doing a poor job of auditing their members.

They seem to have had a fair bit of fuel, certainly: the chatlogs of desperate attempts to get people on #evol last night to move POS fuel from out-of-the-way stations that didn't get robbed were being reported to us in real-time, too.  His posts have been removed by CCP on the dubious grounds that he is not in a corp, but he told one of our members personally a bunch of stuff that certainly seems awfully expensive, especially in the area of POSes and POS construction

As for "worst theif [sic] ever".  If by "worst" you mean "biggest by an entire order of magnitude and even GHSC bow down before him" then you're spot on.

I wonder if the Bob poster was right, and they will "evolve".  Will they audit and kick less active members like LC suggests?  Will they be forced to change their structure and logistics to make it harder for members to get access to required equipment?  Each would be a serious blow: the first to morale (although perhaps not to cohesion) and the second to efficiency of allocation.

I can only imagine the effect it will have if EVOL makes a good k:d ratio part of their not-a-turncoat criteria.

Did meanwhile some screenshots turn up, showing off the loot? I've seen the collapsed asset view, that's useless.

While the corp theft was substantial, it was not crippling much less 'grand'. It was something hundreds of evol members were able to do every day over many years. They chose not to, out of camaraderie. This one did choose to steal. Out of spite apparently.
The fact this took so long to happen is a testament to the feasibility of the utopian community model evol uses. The speed at which the operational assets were replaced, a measure of its strength.
And no, evol will not change. And yes, the next thief will probably run off with all the furniture too.
Lets see how long it takes. Lets see how long this can work.

Neep from ltm years ago?  How did you end up in BoB?

Yeah, where are your spinning hamsters?

The fact that flatliner turned up at the Bob BBQ (albeit being made to wear a tinfoil horned devil hat and a sign saying "WTS Dreads") suggests that at least the saner part of BoB aren't as morally affronted as neep or people like everyone's favourite moron in local, fire 59 (my God he is dumb).  I wouldn't be surprised to see Flatliner pretty much give it all back, anyway.

He'll ransom it back, probably at 50% value or less.
Then ebay the ISK & character (and maybe buy a new one if this was "Fuck EVOL" instead of "Fuck EVE!").