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Title: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 08, 2007, 08:16:43 PM http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118394791259560639.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Samprimary on July 08, 2007, 08:43:16 PM Now if only they had done it a long time earlier, they wouldn't have atrophied as much of their stickiness factor.
The Xbox 360 has not yet had to push a price drop, has it? And they could easily axe a hundred bucks off the price of their regular strength console and still be losing less per unit than the PS3 was. I don't know. Things have just been looking pretty shitty for Sony and they've not been playing a smart game. Or so I reason. /edit -- I am somewhat enthused that the price cut comes in conjunction with the release of a new 'elite' model PS3 that packages itself with a game. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 08, 2007, 10:20:23 PM I think the price drop will bail them out. As much as 'analysts' will be claiming that a price cut is a sign of weakness, your average gamer doesn't give a damn, the only thought is "six hundred bucks is too god damned much". I'd been holding off on getting a PS3 solely because of their price; once I found one for a less-atrocious price I bought it, and I bet that a lot of other people'll be going for it now, too.
I don't think that anyone debates the PS3's excellence as a console, now that most of the flaws have been fixed with the firmware updates. A lower price point should be all it takes to get people buying, now that a PS3 is within spitting distance of the price of a 360 Elite. Plus, for anyone who hasn't heard, you can get five free shitty blu-ray movies with a PS3 (http://www.bluraysavings.com/). Or, perhaps more accurately, four shitty movies and Blazing Saddles. Be sure to take advantage of the offer; if nothing else you can use 'em for store credit at an EBGames or eBay 'em. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: NiX on July 08, 2007, 10:27:20 PM This may only be a Canada thing, but word from inside my store (Best Buy) has it that the 60GB bundles are dropping so they can sell through the stock and then an 80GB bundle is coming with the OLD price to replace it. Therefore it's not really a price drop if it's not going to stay.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 08, 2007, 10:35:39 PM That would be a silly thing to do given that the price difference between a 60 GB laptop drive and an 80 GB laptop drive is just a few dollars. On the other hand I wouldn't put it past Sony to try something like that to drastically reduce the amount of money they are losing on each unit sold.
Edit: okay apparently Sony really is going to be that silly though they will try to mask that amazing markup by bundling in Motorstorm: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html which, even if you added in the full retail price for the game is still a ripoff ($60 + $5 < $100). Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Azazel on July 08, 2007, 10:54:01 PM Ah well, it's a step in the right direction, especially since the PS3 by reports has good biuld quality while the 360 appears to be like a Faberge Egg.
I'll keep waiting for more of a drop, however. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Fabricated on July 09, 2007, 03:42:50 AM So they're discontinuing the 60GB model for the 80GB one instead of having $500 be the regular price?
Jesus, they really must lose a shitload of money on each PS3 for them to THAT stubbornly avoid an actual price drop. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Merusk on July 09, 2007, 04:01:20 AM Plus, for anyone who hasn't heard, you can get five free shitty blu-ray movies with a PS3 (http://www.bluraysavings.com/). Or, perhaps more accurately, four shitty movies and Blazing Saddles. Be sure to take advantage of the offer; if nothing else you can use 'em for store credit at an EBGames or eBay 'em. Some of those other movies aren't too bad either. At least to the point I'd definitely take them at "free," unlike the Pappa John's 'free dvd' promo movies which all wound-up in the garbage. Too bad Blazing Saddles and Corpse Bride are in the same category, though. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 09, 2007, 06:57:24 AM I think the price drop will bail them out. As much as 'analysts' will be claiming that a price cut is a sign of weakness, your average gamer doesn't give a damn, the only thought is "six hundred bucks is too god damned much". I'd been holding off on getting a PS3 solely because of their price; once I found one for a less-atrocious price I bought it, and I bet that a lot of other people'll be going for it now, too. The problem is that the price cut DOES make it more attractive. However, the damned PS3 still doesn't have many attractive exclusive games. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 09, 2007, 07:13:58 AM So does this mean if I don't buy one now by next month all that will be available is the $600 model with a shitty game?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 09, 2007, 07:34:21 AM The press releases I've seen make no mention of discontinuing the 60GB model, just that the 80GB + Motorstorm model is coming for $600. Personally, I'd just get the 60 and then spend the hundred bucks on buying a 160GB drive and just eBay away the 60. Hard drives are insanely cheap nowadays, and the process for replacing the PS3's drive seems simple enough.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 09, 2007, 07:36:36 AM I'll point out again that an Atari 2600 cost $686 in 2007 dollars...after the price drop. It was something like $1200 in 2007 dollars prior (with better build quality, too, before it was outsourced to the lowest oriental bidder).
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 07:42:11 AM Hee hee. Why would they "discontinue" the 60GB model when it's apparently the same machine with a different hard disk? I'm sure there's just a new place in the factory where some units are shunted to a different line to have a different disk inserted. As far as business moves go, this is pretty awesome. There is a price-cut/smart person model and an epeen model.
Also, per the manual, exchanging the disk is very, very simple. Moving your saves to some other media is also trivial... in fact the PS3 can now write to PS2/PS memory cards as well as the other stuff. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: murdoc on July 09, 2007, 08:17:53 AM This may only be a Canada thing, but word from inside my store (Best Buy) has it that the 60GB bundles are dropping so they can sell through the stock and then an 80GB bundle is coming with the OLD price to replace it. Therefore it's not really a price drop if it's not going to stay. What are the 60GB models going for at Best Buy? I checked the website this AM and they're still listing $659.99 Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Righ on July 09, 2007, 09:17:29 AM Oh no. At that price Iran will be buying them to run their nuclear enrichment program.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 09, 2007, 09:36:58 AM This may only be a Canada thing, but word from inside my store (Best Buy) has it that the 60GB bundles are dropping so they can sell through the stock and then an 80GB bundle is coming with the OLD price to replace it. Therefore it's not really a price drop if it's not going to stay. What are the 60GB models going for at Best Buy? I checked the website this AM and they're still listing $659.99 Best Buy has updated with the price break. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: HaemishM on July 09, 2007, 10:24:30 AM Oh no. At that price Iran will be buying them to run their nuclear enrichment program. Le art. This is a good move for Sony, but the 80GB version is a flat ripoff. $100 for an extra 20GB? I see they are trying to make up the losses the Blu-Ray player has been giving them. It's time for the 360 to drop in price. It won't, because Microsoft has to make up that $1 billion they are going to lose on the warranties, but still. Drop that bitch to $299 and we'll be talking. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 10:32:58 AM They won't drop the 360 price until the PS3 starts outselling it, and who knows if that will happen?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 09, 2007, 10:38:09 AM Even if the 360 went to $300, I'm still pretty sure I wouldn't buy. The only things it has that interest me are Dead Rising, Mass Effect, and the Live Arcade stuff, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you have to pay for the Live Gold to play the Live Arcade games over the net.
The PS3 doesn't have crap for games yet either, but at least I can use it for my PS/PS2 games while waiting for newer things to come out. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: HaemishM on July 09, 2007, 11:08:42 AM There are a great deal more games I'd be interested in playing on the 360 than are even listed on the PS3.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 11:31:16 AM I'm here to recitfy my incorrectness, although this is still in the Realm of Rumor:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14606 Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 12:34:57 PM Pachter really takes the easy way out sometimes. He's like the used car salesman of gaming analysts.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 09, 2007, 02:24:46 PM Ok, so if I was gonna fall for this $100 less can someone name me 3 games worth getting?
Some conditions: 1) Must be exclusives 2) Must be out right now. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 02:31:39 PM I can only think of two, maybe. Virtua Fighter 5 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma. Other people might be able to add things.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 02:38:03 PM Resistance was fantastic fun.
Do NOT overlook the glory of Grim Grimoire and Odin Sphere upscaled through a PS3. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 09, 2007, 02:40:42 PM So, Virtua Fighter 5, Resistance, and Ninja Gaiden. Hmmm....and today I got a new Best Buy credit card.
Must. Resist. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 02:41:56 PM Do you have a 1080p or 720p tv?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Rasix on July 09, 2007, 02:43:05 PM Well, VF5 is being upgraded for the 360. So, you know.. take that into consideration. Won't be quite as gorgeous though.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 02:46:04 PM The PS3 one is considerably prettier, also, odds are more than awesome that they'll patch the other shit into the PS3 one. It simply wasn't ready. Doesn't matter though, I'll get the 360 one for Live Play and usage of my DOA stick and keep the PS3 one for local vs due to being prettier and as a result, more fun ;)
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Margalis on July 09, 2007, 02:48:57 PM VF5 for 360 is going to be online.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 09, 2007, 02:52:07 PM Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 02:55:17 PM Quote VF5 for 360 is going to be online. Yes, it is. Hence why I said they'll probably patch it. Quote 720p Yes, Odin Sphere and Grim Grimoire would be must-purchase titles also. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: stray on July 09, 2007, 03:15:29 PM VF5 is going to suck balls online. Either system.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 03:21:56 PM VF5 is going to suck balls online. Either system. Every lover of fighter titles hopes and dreams for the day this is true. It's like unspoken, of course it's going to suck, but we can hope against that, rite? Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Margalis on July 09, 2007, 03:51:30 PM VF5 is going to suck balls online. Either system. Depends. A lot of fighting games use really crappy networking logic that creates input lag, rather than a dead-reckoning mechanism similar to FPS games. I'm not a big fan of online play in fighting games myself, but most people are. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 09, 2007, 05:59:47 PM Versus fighters are better with a live victim, but you take what you can get.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Azazel on July 09, 2007, 08:56:20 PM I'll point out again that an Atari 2600 cost $686 in 2007 dollars...after the price drop. It was something like $1200 in 2007 dollars prior (with better build quality, too, before it was outsourced to the lowest oriental bidder). Perhaps this is the time to point out that the world is a very different place now, and at the time you could buy an Atari for $1200 or $686 in 2007 dollars you couldn't also buy a PS2 for $99 with a quality software library longer than your street. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 09, 2007, 10:14:59 PM Amazon shows the PS3 sales increasing by 2500% after the price drop. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_mte/002-7413643-6366425) Which just goes to show that all Sony had to do to sell the thing was not be dicks about the price. Cut the 'we feel that the American consumer recognizes the value and is willing to pay $600' bullshit and tone things down to a more reasonable price. Which is not to say that the PS3 isn't $600 worth of computer, I believe it likely is, but that $600 for a videogame console is simply too much. Let us remember the short, sad life of the Neo-Geo console with its $200 games. I only know one guy who owned a Neo-Geo, and it was awesome, but he only had two games for it 'cause he couldn't afford any more.
In other related news, they're yanking the hardware PS1/PS2 emulation out of the upcoming 80GB PS3s. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: NiX on July 09, 2007, 10:35:05 PM What? Why would they yank the hardware emulation?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 09, 2007, 10:42:19 PM What? Why would they yank the hardware emulation? Same reason they left it out of the Euro PS3s -- it lowers the manufacturing cost.Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: stray on July 09, 2007, 10:54:48 PM Eh. That's a shame. People here might think I'm a bit of a Sony fanboi (err..well, I am actually), but part of the reason I even bought the PS3 was cuz my PS2 conked out -- and I had the cash to blow. PS2 games are the most use I got out of it at this point too (That and BLU-RAYTM). So.....Umm...That sucks for future owners, I guess.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 09, 2007, 10:58:35 PM Trippy gets it in one! The non-hardware backwards compatible PS3s will still play PS/PS2 games, albiet in software emulation, with all of the attendant glitches that implies. So let's do the math:
$100 - 20GB - Motorstorm + Hardware emulation of old games = Stupidly obvious superior choice. Anyone who goes for the 80 GB bundle is pretty clearly a moron. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 09, 2007, 11:12:52 PM The software emulation is nearly perfect, and could potentially be better than the hardware emulation. Not at this point no, but it should be shortly. I think both Quinton and I have mentioned this a number of times.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Velorath on July 09, 2007, 11:32:46 PM Amazon shows the PS3 sales increasing by 2500% after the price drop. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/movers-and-shakers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_mte/002-7413643-6366425) Which just goes to show that all Sony had to do to sell the thing was not be dicks about the price. Actually so far it just goes to show that a price drop will result in a sales spike (which should be obvious). The question remains whether or not the price drop is big enough to result in a sustained higher level of sales. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Ironwood on July 10, 2007, 04:32:46 AM But the Wii's still a better system tho ?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: CmdrSlack on July 10, 2007, 06:10:39 AM The software emulation is nearly perfect, and could potentially be better than the hardware emulation. Not at this point no, but it should be shortly. I think both Quinton and I have mentioned this a number of times. Magic patch? Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 10, 2007, 06:20:59 AM Well I haven't gotten one but now I probably will before the summer is out if my budget permits. Maybe as soon as August, it really depends on my finances.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Murgos on July 10, 2007, 06:47:45 AM Schild is right though, emulating one processor with another isn't that uncommon. There is no reason that the PS3 can't perfectly emulate the PS2 in software. Well, no reason other than how much time and effort Sony wants to dedicate to the problem. My guess though is that they already have the PS2 hardware emulated for dev purposes on some Unix system and are working on porting that over to the Cell architecture.
A fairly common approach to processor verification is to create the entire device in C and run tests on it while the processor is being designed to find issues. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 10, 2007, 07:52:20 AM I particularly doubt that Sony is going to put in the effort to make the software emulation superior to the hardware emulation. After all, they don't want people playing PS2 games on the PS3, they want people buying new PS3 games.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 10, 2007, 08:03:07 AM I particularly doubt that Sony is going to put in the effort to make the software emulation superior to the hardware emulation. After all, they don't want people playing PS2 games on the PS3, they want people buying new PS3 games. They definitely want people playing PS2 games on the PS3. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 10, 2007, 11:13:33 AM They definitely want people playing PS2 games on the PS3. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, they don't. If someone buys a PS3 and only uses it to play their old PS2 games, Sony makes no money. Sony winds up losing money in that situation. Sony's business model hinges on taking a loss on the PS3, then making huge profits on PS3 games. If the owner buys no PS3 games, the business model fails. Sony wants us to conveniently forget about PS and PS2 stuff as quicky as possible and get to buying $60 PS3 titles. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 10, 2007, 12:23:41 PM Since the firmware patches have done nothing but increase the ability for people to play PS2 games in the PS3, I'd have to say the facts are against you there, Kit. Not only did they fix the rendering problems in interlaced mode, they introduced upscaling and added the ability for the PS3 to write to PS/PS2 memory cards. Sony is still selling both PS2 consoles and PS2 games, as well. I can't remember how long PS1 games were sold into the PS2's lifetime, but they didn't just chop off the development.
I would also point out that PS1 emulation is currently done completely in software, as far as I can tell anyway. It is rather more awesome than the PS2 hardware emulation I have right now. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Simond on July 10, 2007, 12:58:27 PM Konami thinks the price cut might not be enough (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6173911.html)
Quote Earlier this week, Sony dropped the price on its PlayStation 3 60GB model from $599 to $499. Analysts responded favorably to the announcement, saying it would put pressure on Microsoft to drop the price of its Xbox 360 system, the priciest configuration of which currently costs $479. But while analysts might think the cut is enough to make the PS3 cost-competitive, one of Sony's biggest publishing partners appears underwhelmed. Speaking with Reuters, Konami North American and European operations head Kazumi Kitaue expressed doubt. "I wonder if Sony can win back user support by the price cut of just $100," Kitaue said, adding, "I don't expect a substantial impact...With $500, you can buy a personal computer." Kitaue no doubt would like a cheaper PS3 in order to spike sales of the machine and have a larger installed user base in place for Konami's highly anticipated PS3 exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. However, the executive said Konami might have to bring the series to non-Sony systems in order to make its development money back. "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game," Kitaue said. "But we might have to take some steps." Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Merusk on July 10, 2007, 02:45:16 PM That right there is an "Owch."
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 10, 2007, 02:57:18 PM Kitaue no doubt would like a cheaper PS3 in order to spike sales of the machine and have a larger installed user base in place for Konami's highly anticipated PS3 exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. However, the executive said Konami might have to bring the series to non-Sony systems in order to make its development money back. "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game," Kitaue said. "But we might have to take some steps." This is..interesting news to me. This is the equivalent of Bungie saying "To remake costs on Halo 4 we'll have to look at other systems than the Xbox 720." Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Abelian75 on July 10, 2007, 05:12:56 PM No, they don't. If someone buys a PS3 and only uses it to play their old PS2 games, Sony makes no money. Sony winds up losing money in that situation. Sony's business model hinges on taking a loss on the PS3, then making huge profits on PS3 games. If the owner buys no PS3 games, the business model fails. Sony wants us to conveniently forget about PS and PS2 stuff as quicky as possible and get to buying $60 PS3 titles. That's not taking into account people buying PS2 games for their PS3. It's pretty likely that development costs for the software emulator aren't exceedingly high, so if it sells a decent number of copies of PS2 games it would be worth it. When I get a PS3 I will sure as heck be buying katamari damacy along with it, that's for sure. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Velorath on July 10, 2007, 06:01:22 PM Kitaue no doubt would like a cheaper PS3 in order to spike sales of the machine and have a larger installed user base in place for Konami's highly anticipated PS3 exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. However, the executive said Konami might have to bring the series to non-Sony systems in order to make its development money back. "Since Metal Gear Solid was born for the PlayStation, we would like to keep it a PlayStation game," Kitaue said. "But we might have to take some steps." This is..interesting news to me. This is the equivalent of Bungie saying "To remake costs on Halo 4 we'll have to look at other systems than the Xbox 720." Not really. The GC had Twin Snakes, and XBox had MGS2: Sub-whatever, so it's not like MGS has been totally PS exclusive or anything. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Strazos on July 10, 2007, 06:21:27 PM What kind of PC is he buying for $500? Certainly not a gaming rig.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: caladein on July 11, 2007, 05:30:15 AM What kind of PC is he buying for $500? Certainly not a gaming rig. I actually had that discussion with someone today and I am certain that most on-board video cards can't do Hardware T&L which throws everything post-Battlefield 1942 out the window. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 11, 2007, 06:39:37 AM [ This is..interesting news to me. This is the equivalent of Bungie saying "To remake costs on Halo 4 we'll have to look at other systems than the Xbox 720." Not really. The GC had Twin Snakes, and XBox had MGS2: Sub-whatever, so it's not like MGS has been totally PS exclusive or anything. You know. I totally forgot about that. I guess it is exclusive in the "we get it 6 months before other consoles" sense. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Murgos on July 11, 2007, 06:54:09 AM What kind of PC is he buying for $500? Certainly not a gaming rig. I actually had that discussion with someone today and I am certain that most on-board video cards can't do Hardware T&L which throws everything post-Battlefield 1942 out the window. You can get a card that's capable of Hardware T&L for like 60 bucks. Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814153030) is an X1600 pro for $64. I think that with a little eagle eyed price watching you could put together a rig capable of playing games at a reasonable level for less than $500. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 11, 2007, 08:26:15 AM Regarding the $500 computer comment, you have to adjust for Japaneseness. They are not a PC culture for the most part.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 12, 2007, 10:25:16 AM Capcom thinks there will be another cut by the end of the year. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070712/tc_nm/gamesexpo_capcom_dc_1)
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Velorath on July 13, 2007, 02:25:18 AM If you want a $500 PS3, looks like you gotta get it soon. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704)
Quote SCEE president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that the 60GB PlayStation 3 will no longer be available in the US after stock sells out - which he predicts will occur by the end of the month. Reeves was speaking at an E3 event to announce the introduction of a new PS3 bundle in Europe. When asked about possible criticisms over whether SCEE should have given consumers the option to pay a lower price, as SCEA has done, he replied, "Well, they're not really are they, because what the US are offering from the 1st of August is a USD 599 version with one game. "All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July." When asked to clarify if this will mean the end of the 60GB model, Reeves answered, "In America, yes." SCEA announced a USD 100 price cut for PlayStation 3 earlier this week. A new 80GB model will come bundled with a copy of Motorstorm and will retail for USD 599. Stupid fuckers. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Simond on July 13, 2007, 03:24:25 AM Bwahahaha! :roffle:
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Roac on July 13, 2007, 05:35:39 AM So, less a price cut, and more a car salesman trying to dump last year's inventory
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 13, 2007, 06:34:22 AM If you want a $500 PS3, looks like you gotta get it soon. (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704) Quote SCEE president David Reeves has told GamesIndustry.biz that the 60GB PlayStation 3 will no longer be available in the US after stock sells out - which he predicts will occur by the end of the month. Reeves was speaking at an E3 event to announce the introduction of a new PS3 bundle in Europe. When asked about possible criticisms over whether SCEE should have given consumers the option to pay a lower price, as SCEA has done, he replied, "Well, they're not really are they, because what the US are offering from the 1st of August is a USD 599 version with one game. "All they're doing is taking their stock in trade that they've got at the moment of the 60GB model, marking the price down and it will all be gone by the end of July." When asked to clarify if this will mean the end of the 60GB model, Reeves answered, "In America, yes." SCEA announced a USD 100 price cut for PlayStation 3 earlier this week. A new 80GB model will come bundled with a copy of Motorstorm and will retail for USD 599. Stupid fuckers. Well, I'm back to not getting one then. I can't afford it this month and if they're going back to the old price fuck them. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 13, 2007, 06:37:40 AM Just wait till Christmas time -- it'll drop back down again then.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 13, 2007, 06:41:18 AM Sony screws up their announcements all the time by one of their legion of executives talking out of turn, this guy might be contradicted by some other president today.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Shrike on July 13, 2007, 08:04:27 AM I didn't need to see this shit.
Now I"m tempted to dump my old Xbox and PS2 and spring for a 60gig PS3. Still no PS3 games worth a damn in my opinion, but Odin Sphere and my PS2 collection (and my PS1 Xcom) just about have me sold. That and the wireless. Just getting rid of my PS2 cords...man...I didn't need to see this. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 08:08:53 AM You'll have no worries once Little Big Planet drops.
My god. That game is just.... so perfect. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 13, 2007, 08:20:57 AM It's a bitch move, but I think that the limey's right, they probably are cutting off the 60GB models. We already know that they're trying to drop the hardware support for emulation, so it makes little sense for them to keep producing a model that has it. So looks like they're going to go back to last on the sales charts once the 60GB models are gone, until they discount the 80GBs.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 08:26:14 AM That 80GB discount will come by Thanksgiving though, probably by the week of Halo 3 really though...
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: CmdrSlack on July 13, 2007, 08:42:12 AM Of course, if they still don't have many games out by then, well, it won't matter much.
Or else they'll discontinue the 80gb model and come out with a 100gb model. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Fabricated on July 13, 2007, 10:41:14 AM What a terrible fucking idea to have a temporary pricecut to shove inventory out the door.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Murgos on July 13, 2007, 10:50:39 AM What a terrible fucking idea to have a temporary pricecut to shove inventory out the door. I sea wat u did thar. O_< Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Samwise on July 13, 2007, 10:56:11 AM I'm pretty tempted to pick up a PS3 now just so I can play some of the PS2 games I missed out on (with the added possibility of PS3 games in the future). $500 is still steeper than I'd like, though. :| And how important is it to have a big hard drive on a console system? What does it get used for? Do you need to "install" games on a PS3 like it was a PC? I am ignorant.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 11:32:24 AM Yes, almost all PS3 games have an "install" option. Meaning, they load all the main assets onto the harddrive. Honestly, I'd like to see PCs adopt this system. Load times on the PS3 get cut down 70-90% on certain games. Ninja Gaiden got cut down at least 95%, but it happens to be one of the worst loading games of all time (was on the xbox also). Virtua Fighter goes from unnoticeable load times to completely unnoticeable load times. It's a pretty fantastic tech, and yes, I can see 60GB not being long enough once the PS3 gets into full swing. Also, Linux.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yoru on July 13, 2007, 11:34:51 AM Yes, almost all PS3 games have an "install" option. Meaning, they load all the main assets onto the harddrive. Honestly, I'd like to see PCs adopt this system. ... Many PC games have had it for years. It's called "Full Install". The only thing they use the disc for is CD checks and, sometimes, cinematics. Hell, I remember full installing quite a few games, including cinematics. You sometimes had to check a special option for installing 'em, but hey, no CD lag. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Roac on July 13, 2007, 11:41:32 AM Yes, almost all PS3 games have an "install" option. Meaning, they load all the main assets onto the harddrive. Honestly, I'd like to see PCs adopt this system. :roll: Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 11:48:10 AM Yes, almost all PS3 games have an "install" option. Meaning, they load all the main assets onto the harddrive. Honestly, I'd like to see PCs adopt this system. :roll: I'm going to go hang myself. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Velorath on July 13, 2007, 12:51:15 PM Sony screws up their announcements all the time by one of their legion of executives talking out of turn, this guy might be contradicted by some other president today. Of course he's being contradicted. (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2) Quote A spokesperson for Sony in the US told Next-Gen, "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future." Officials at Sony Computer entertainment Europe - including president David Reeves - had said that the US price would still be $599 because that would be the only model on offer once 60Gig stocks ran out. If true, this would have rendered the $100 price cut a virtually pointless gesture, meaning that PS3 had not been cut in price, but was simply being offered with extra memory and a bundled game. SCEA has reacted with puzzlement to the European perspective, suggesting that there may have been an incorrect interpretation. The spokesperson said, “Those quotes from David Reeves are not accurate. He said that if they had lowered the price in Europe, that territory would have run out of their current inventory by the end of July.” Nevertheless, Kaz Hirai himself says the one SKU strategy is the plan. He told Scandinavian website VGTV, "[We do not] have a 2 SKU strategy in the US, we learned very quickly customers respond better to having one SKU than two. We dropped the price on the 60GB model, as you know that model is no longer in production, once it's no longer on store shelves it will just be the $600 SKU." Previously, a senior PR at Sony in London had backed Reeves statement, confirming that he had been talking about the US market, though the PR later distanced London from the remarks, telling Next-Gen, “I believe that is the plan, but SCEA has not formally made an announcement on any timeframe. As it affects the US you should confirm with SCEA. ” SCEA subsequently denied the story entirely. However, questions will now be raised about the company's long term plans for the 60Gig version and for its $599 / $499 pricing strategy as well as its ability to stay on-message. We're waiting for clarification on some of these issues from SCEA. Problem is that not only can't they keep their stories straight (since Kaz obviously seems to be saying the same thing Reeves did), but nobody is really going to trust anything Sony says given that they already flat-out lied once recently when they were denying the price drop, just days before they announced it. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 13, 2007, 12:58:00 PM They will probably have to go and disembowel another goat as a sacrifice to the marketing gods in order to put out a single definitive statement of what the hell they are doing.
Then the nearest regional PR department will have to put out the standard "Sorry for sacrificing a goat" statement, I believe it's form number 82273-b. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Simond on July 13, 2007, 01:01:16 PM Read it again carefully:
Quote A spokesperson for Sony in the US told Next-Gen, "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future." Read as: "We have lots and lots of 60GB PS3 stock filling up our warehouses, so it won't run out for a fair old while yet". Notice the distinct lack of confirmation about the sixty gig model still being in production. :wink: Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Roac on July 13, 2007, 01:11:54 PM It's becomming increasingly clear what the root problem with the PS3 might be.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: caladein on July 13, 2007, 02:34:07 PM Searching for this is proving futile sadly so I'll just ask:
In the US are all the 60GB PS3 running hardware emulation? Is there any way to find out without ripping the box open and looking for a serial if that isn't the case? I'm asking because the last time I looked that backwards compatibility page... it wasn't pretty. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 03:04:37 PM No software emulation in the US yet.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Simond on July 13, 2007, 03:26:40 PM (US) PS3 60s have PS2 hardware in their guts, PS3 80s will be all emulation.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Margalis on July 13, 2007, 04:09:31 PM 33% bigger hard drive, a game nobody cares about and worse emulation...hmm..hard to say if the 80gb version is even an upgrade.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 04:33:16 PM Eh? Look, the emulation isn't worse. At all. In fact, I don't think I could find a game in my collection that didn't run 100% perfect on the software EE emu.
Motorstorm is actually pretty goddamn fun. More fun than Excitetruck at least. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: caladein on July 13, 2007, 05:20:21 PM I realized that "hardware emulation" was the dumbest thing I've said in a long while. Whoops.
And what I meant by "it didn't look pretty" was that for example: different "versions" (I guess, there are about six different FF12 EU product codes) of FF12 ran the gamut from "works fine" to "works with noticeable issues". I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from that outside of "WTF?" Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 13, 2007, 05:25:21 PM Eh? Look, the emulation isn't worse. At all. In fact, I don't think I could find a game in my collection that didn't run 100% perfect on the software EE emu. Do you have a Euro PS3?Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 05:27:24 PM No, but I've gone through their list on nearly every game I own. I don't see how it's going to be a problem. Much like the PS1 emulator on the PSP, I fully expect the PS3 emulator to be as good if not better than the hardware within the year, they have far too much processing power for it not to be.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 13, 2007, 05:41:18 PM Just cause a game may be on the list doesn't mean the emulation is 100% perfect. You were the one bitching and moaning about the original PS3 hardware emulation even though technically all those games were supported as well.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 13, 2007, 05:52:07 PM Whoa whoa. The original PS3 emulation had problems that weren't generated by the EE chip or Software. It was the video processing that was done, it completely fucked it up. Where's Quinton to explain it when I need him?
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Trippy on July 13, 2007, 05:57:53 PM Whoa whoa. The original PS3 emulation had problems that weren't generated by the EE chip or Software. It was the video processing that was done, it completely fucked it up. Where's Quinton to explain it when I need him? It's still software -- that's why they were able to patch it later on.Edit: fixed grammar Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 14, 2007, 08:35:00 PM The problem with the European list is, obviously, that they have different games, fewer games, and differently-named games. Checking their list, several of the games in my library simply weren't listed. Of the ones that were most were listed as running fine, except for God of War, which was listed as having problems. In any event, offloading the emulation to the original hardware seems like only a good idea to me, better than making the CPU handle the emulation on top of upscaling the video. Sony may talk plenty of talk about their advanced multi-core architecture, but emulation is not a light burden, even on modern hardware.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sairon on July 15, 2007, 08:53:19 AM The PS3 should have no problems at all with emulating the PS2 completely and handle upscaling to 1080p as well as filtering. There's a diffrence between Sony creating an emulator and hobbyists creating an emulator by reverse engineering.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 16, 2007, 08:28:15 AM Emulation problems aside (and I have one or two that are not listed in the Sony DB), I now have a new problem. Well, not a new one exactly but I have a decision to make.
My Sixaxis is balls, and after Actually Talking to schild he said that his doesn't stop working, ever. What he really said was "It always cuts out when it switches into PS2 mode" which was all I had to hear to know that either my Sixaxis is broken, or the bluetooth unit in my PS3 is broken, because it stops working for no apparent reason on occasion. Recently, since the 1.8 patch, when it stops working it has a chance to cause me to have to powercycle my PS3 since it just will not reconnect. The decision I have to make is due to this new PS3 model. I will buy a new Sixaxis and see if that fixes things, however I am strongly suspicious that it is the bluetooth unit in the PS3 due to the specifics of its behavior. Question is, do I replace with a 60GB unit or a 80GB unit? I should be able to get Target to give me a 80GB one to replace my launch system, but what's the best option here? I don't know anyone with a 80GB unit to ask. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 17, 2007, 06:25:58 AM It seems to be official. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc_1) The $500 model will be phased out once the inventory is gone leaving only the $600 model...
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Murgos on July 17, 2007, 08:01:14 AM So, I can buy a 60gb PS3 now for $499 or wait until late next year sometime when the 80 gb version will be available for, probably - according to that article, $399?
I still can't get up the enthusiasm to buy one. I haven't seen anything coming out for PS3 that I want to play that isn't also coming out for X360. $399 doesn't sound that bad though. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 17, 2007, 08:06:45 AM Quote from: talking head "Although we think that Sony's public relations gaffe was unfortunate, we do not believe that the company has ill intent, and we expect the $499 price point to be maintained until early next year, when the 80GB model will likely by cut again to $399," Pachter said I wonder if he has any inside knowledge or if this is a wild guess? If it's insider knowledge I can totally hold off until next spring and get it for $400. While laughing at the people that paid $600 and had no games to play. Though somehow I think Sony is too arrogant to lower the price that much. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Simond on July 17, 2007, 08:13:30 AM So wait...not only is SCEA shooting themselves in the foot with this price-cut-that-wasn't, the industry consensus is that there's going to be an actual price cut in six months or so?
Doesn't this effectively translate to "Buy a 60gig now, or wait until next year for an 80gig. Otherwise, just don't buy a PS3" ? ETA on Konami announcing "MGS4: Storm Warning" for 360? :-D Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: HaemishM on July 17, 2007, 01:09:54 PM There's already been talk by the Metal Gear creator that he may HAVE to put MSG4 out on the 360 just to make back development costs, because there aren't enough PS3's in homes.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Jain Zar on July 17, 2007, 11:27:52 PM They drop the PS3 60 gig with PS2 guts to 400 right now Ill buy it just for Disgaea 3. Otherwise they can continue to be ignored by me. (Unless making fun of it counts as paying attention to it.)
I have 52 PS2 games, and close to that number in PS1 titles. I'm supposed to pay MORE to lose access to all my controllers (not that my Guncons work with LCDHTVs anyhow mind you), and all my game saves (unless I somehow order and find the magic dongle that's hard to come by) and lose rumble features merely gaining Blu Ray and a couple exclusives that won't appear on the 360? Cmon now. The PS3 is in worse shape than the Dreamcast was. (Which continues to give UKResistance a giant boner.) Hell, we are talking Saturn situation here without Working Designs and Sega's own genius devs to make it at least worthwhile. Sony needs to stop trying to save face, suck it up, and at least play match the price with 360. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 18, 2007, 02:32:17 PM Working Designs I miss them. They were my first exposure to Japanese games. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 18, 2007, 02:40:55 PM Well, technically speaking, Atlus and NISA picked up the Working Designs torch better than Victor Ireland and Co. ever could have. Hell, even XSeed, Agetec, and Aksys are filling in those gaps. Victor will eventually be back with Gaijinworks - though I question who would ever give (or sell) publishing rights to a company with the word "gaijin" in the title.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: squirrel on July 18, 2007, 04:16:20 PM I still can't get up the enthusiasm to buy one. I haven't seen anything coming out for PS3 that I want to play that isn't also coming out for X360. $399 doesn't sound that bad though. I thought this as well up until, well, last weekend. The PS3 on a 1080p TV looks significantly better than the 360. Don't get me wrong, I like my 360 a lot but there's few titles on the PS3 that I want now, even if they do come out on the 360 I believe they'll be better on a PS3: * Folksoul/Folklore - schild showed me this for a bit, looks fucking amazing * Gran Turismo 5 * Assassins Creed - on the 360 but I think the crowd scenes will work better on the PS3 * Little Big Planet Plus there's a bunch of PS2 titles I want to play and I don't have a PS2 anymore so I figure a PS3 is about the right price now for a PS2, Bluray player and PS3 games. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 18, 2007, 11:32:11 PM I agree, the PS3 looks breathtaking on a 1080p television; the games are every inch as good-looking as modern PC games. With the obvious downside of having to pay at least two grand for the PS3/HDTV/Receiver/Speakers setup to actually get these end results. If you can swing the cash, though, you get a very pretty result.
Oh, and do yourself a favor, don't be a tool and buy HDMI cables from the store for $80, go to monoprice.com and get 'em for under $10, including shipping. After spending so much for a console, best save as much money as you can in every other regard. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: schild on July 18, 2007, 11:39:35 PM Yea, I think I bought the $15 HDMI cable from Fry's. I really should've shown you the difference between HDMI on the 360 and on the PS3. It's a world of difference.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 19, 2007, 07:24:06 AM I agree, the PS3 looks breathtaking on a 1080p television; the games are every inch as good-looking as modern PC games. With the obvious downside of having to pay at least two grand for the PS3/HDTV/Receiver/Speakers setup to actually get these end results. If you can swing the cash, though, you get a very pretty result. Well, increasingly people already have the hdtv/receiver/speakers anyway. Or like in my case, I had the receiver/speakers and added the hdtv later.If I ever do cave in and get a console, it'll be the 360 (65nm ftw), since I've got a 720p set and getting a 1080p set is out of the question for a few years, still (and 720p is honestly the sweet spot for pc gaming yet, 1080p would be rough). Problem is, even though the 360 has more games I'm interested in, it's still under a half-dozen. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: murdoc on July 19, 2007, 07:24:48 AM Oh, and do yourself a favor, don't be a tool and buy HDMI cables from the store for $80, go to monoprice.com and get 'em for under $10, including shipping. After spending so much for a console, best save as much money as you can in every other regard. Monoprice is awesome. I've gotten all my cables and my TV mount from them. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 19, 2007, 08:56:24 AM I agree, the PS3 looks breathtaking on a 1080p television; the games are every inch as good-looking as modern PC games. With the obvious downside of having to pay at least two grand for the PS3/HDTV/Receiver/Speakers setup to actually get these end results. If you can swing the cash, though, you get a very pretty result. My problem is I only have 720p and my cheap-ass reciever only has one digital audio input. Sooo..I'd have to upgrade those as well. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 19, 2007, 09:04:14 AM I got lucky; a business deal involved getting a $1500 Best Buy gift card on the same week that Best Buy was selling a 40" Sony 1080p TV with a PS3 for $2090, so the two most expensive components more or less fell into my lap; otherwise I never could have afforded it. The receiver and speakers I already had from my old TV, so those weren't an issue.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: squirrel on July 19, 2007, 01:02:04 PM I agree, the PS3 looks breathtaking on a 1080p television; the games are every inch as good-looking as modern PC games. With the obvious downside of having to pay at least two grand for the PS3/HDTV/Receiver/Speakers setup to actually get these end results. If you can swing the cash, though, you get a very pretty result. My problem is I only have 720p and my cheap-ass reciever only has one digital audio input. Sooo..I'd have to upgrade those as well. Actually I saw a PS3 on my lunch hour hooked up to a 720p set (I have 720p as well, DLP) and it still looked awesome. Something about the video output seems to be very good with colour saturation. Not sure if that's the nature of the console or tweaking of the titles, but it still looks great at 720p. I'll probably get one and worry about upgrading to 1080p next year. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Riggswolfe on July 19, 2007, 01:06:28 PM Actually I saw a PS3 on my lunch hour hooked up to a 720p set (I have 720p as well, DLP) and it still looked awesome. Something about the video output seems to be very good with colour saturation. Not sure if that's the nature of the console or tweaking of the titles, but it still looks great at 720p. I'll probably get one and worry about upgrading to 1080p next year. Mine is a DLP as well. That only leaves my worries about only having one digital input on my reciever. I guess I could spring for some kind of HDMI digital audio switch box at some point... Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 19, 2007, 01:37:14 PM Yeah, I've got the single DVI input on my DLP, too, and the pc is hooked to that. My dad has two or three HDMI on his little 40" 1080p DLP, and the bastard also has analog inputs (hello creative eax) on his receiver. Yet the guy is so pussywhipped I bet he puts his 360 (talked him into holding out for the 65nm) on the crappy 32" analog CRT in the spare bedroom. Makes me cry.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 19, 2007, 02:09:43 PM I paid $80 for the Pelican HD switch some time ago just after switching my consoles to component cable. It does not have HDMI ports but it does have optical switching. $80 was a ripoff, I think, but there was no cheaper alternative at the time.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Merusk on July 19, 2007, 02:10:33 PM derail: So is this your stepmother and a recent marriage, or your mother that's got him "whipped."? At that age I thought you called it "Henpecked" because he sure isn't getting any to be "whipped" with. /derail
I'm really hoping for a price drop on HDTVs this x-mas. I'm not going to buy anything less than a 1080p, but they're still way outside of my "go ahead" range, since I know they'll drop. Then the new console comes. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Miasma on July 19, 2007, 02:21:31 PM I'm really hoping for a price drop on HDTVs this x-mas. I'm not going to buy anything less than a 1080p, but they're still way outside of my "go ahead" range, since I know they'll drop. Then the new console comes. Damn, that post made me check what the prices are like now and sure enough the equivalent to my HDTV is now 35% cheaper, has more HDMI ports and supports 1080i instead of just 720p. I only bought it a year ago. I fully realized it would happen and have no regrets though.Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Kitsune on July 19, 2007, 02:47:40 PM Damn, that post made me check what the prices are like now and sure enough the equivalent to my HDTV is now 35% cheaper, has more HDMI ports and supports 1080i instead of just 720p. I only bought it a year ago. I fully realized it would happen and have no regrets though. 1080i looks like crap on the local digital stations that I'm getting on my antenna, there is hideous motion blur that is absent on 720p broadcasts. I don't have any breadth of knowledge to know whether that's the fault of the TV station or my TV just isn't good at 1080i or if all 1080i had craptastic motion-blur problems, but really I wouldn't be crying myself to sleep over getting 720p instead of 1080i. Now, 1080p on the other hand is absolutely sweet, a pixel-perfect resolution on a 40+ inch display has to be seen to be believed. Summary: 1080i not worth throwing cash at an upgrade. 1080p very worth throwing cash at an upgrade, if you plan on buying games and movies that support it. 1080p is wasted on HD television, standard DVDs, Wii games and 720p Xbox games, all of which would play just as well on a 720p display. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Jain Zar on July 19, 2007, 05:29:16 PM Ive got a 1080p upscale DVD player hooked up to my Aquos with HDMI and things look mighty gorgeous on it. Beast Wars looks absolutely perfect on it, and Beast Machines even better.
Its lovely enough I don't even care about buying an HD DVD player of any format right now. Again, if they dropped the PS3 to 400 with the 60 gigger currently out there it would be a fair deal (since let's face it, Blu Ray seems to be the winner. Winner of a race nobody really wanted in the first place, but winner nonetheless..) to get high def prerecorded stuff, but otherwise its just ehh. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 20, 2007, 08:24:18 AM derail: So is this your stepmother and a recent marriage, or your mother that's got him "whipped."? At that age I thought you called it "Henpecked" because he sure isn't getting any to be "whipped" with. /derail Not recent, but it's his third wife. NOT my step-mother. But yeah, henpecked works. So does utter pussification. It's sad, my dad used to be a badass (raced in nascar and was a firefighter). I'm all for having good relations with the little lady, but you can't hand over your balls. Like they had too much luggage last time they went to Fla (not his luggage, of course), so she wants to get a van. He sells his nice car and gets a van, she still has her coupe. Huh? You want a van, get a van.Aaanyway. I'm really tempted by the new generation of DLPs with the LED bulbs. The LED bulbs last way longer than the 2 years standard bulbs last. I paid $3400 for my 61" 720p set, which was priced at $4999 at CC when I got it in 2003. Now the 61" 1080p set (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-61-DLP-Rear-Projection-HDTV-HL-T6187S/sem/rpsm/oid/174310/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do) with the LED bulb and 3 HDMI is listed at $2700. So things are getting better, you get a much nicer set for almost half the price. Weight is also cut from 107lbs to 75lbs! Me rikey. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: murdoc on July 20, 2007, 09:16:21 AM I'm pretty interested in the LED DLP sets now too. After I bought my LCD I said I'd stop reading about TVs for at least a year... I'm not going to come anywhere near that.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 20, 2007, 09:43:24 AM I'll need a geforce 11000 to run with bells+whistles at 1920x1080, so I'm not too worried about a tv upgrade for a couple years ;) Meanwhile the 8800 kicks ass at 1280x720, so I'm very satisfied right now.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: CmdrSlack on July 20, 2007, 06:38:29 PM I'm using the same 17" CRT that I've had since 1998. I am in serious need of a PC upgrade, if not total replacement soon. IF I can find a non-shitty AGP video card (and remember what kind of AGP slot this machine has), then I may just go that, get more RAM and a new flat display.
I would much rather build a new machine. That said, even at the price cut level, I just don't see myself affording even a price cut PS3 and the TV required to make it look nice. ETA -- Wow, that was the eternal pause for editing, the point, I guess being that I need to fix my actual PC issues before getting all crazy with my console upgrades. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: cmlancas on July 20, 2007, 07:26:54 PM I find that for the price nowadays, it is easier to replace the mobo and buy a PCI-E.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Merusk on July 20, 2007, 08:12:40 PM That's a damn nice TV there, Sky. 61" is wayyy too huge for me, though. I need to find something closer to my 32"sd. Hrm.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: WayAbvPar on July 23, 2007, 09:08:49 AM Quote 61" is wayyy too huge for me, though. There is no such thing as a TV that is too big. You just need a bigger room, obviously. My 60" seemed HUGE when we first bought it...now I can see where a 70" or even a 100" could be useful :-D Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 23, 2007, 09:24:42 AM Don't even need a big room, really. My room is pretty small and the 61" is perfect. I'd even trade up for something a bit bigger, maybe 70", for this room. If I actually ever find a decent house to buy with a big living room, I'd think about something bigger, or maybe go to the projector for a gaming room if there's something reasonably-priced and high resolution by then.
My father has a bigger living room and was of the mind that a 61" tv was way too big (or his wife convinced him of such). He got a 42" and even my fiancee commented to me (privately, of course) that it seemed tiny. Movies on the 61" are great. We saw Sicko in the shitty back theater Saturday and the sound was far worse than I have at home and from where we sat the screen was almost the same size, proportionally speaking (filled the same area of our vision, about 3/4 of the way back in the theater). We did have the theater to ourselves, which was cool in that we could freely discuss the film without bugging people, but sad because nobody in our shithole town gives a damn about socially conscious movies. PC gaming is ridiculous on it, I earned my grief title, and I stand by it. Transformational experience, leaving the tiny screen and desk behind for some good sofa gaming imo. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2007, 09:31:25 AM Quote 61" is wayyy too huge for me, though. There is no such thing as a TV that is too big. You just need a bigger room, obviously. My 60" seemed HUGE when we first bought it...now I can see where a 70" or even a 100" could be useful :-D If you want to buy my entertainment center off of me so I can own the huge TV, ok then. :-D It's not going in the junker because it's great and it's wood, and I'm in a slab-on-grade until the house market stops being shit, so no basement to put it in. Ergo, I need something that'll fit into it for the first HDTV, which will become the bedroom TV after we move. There's a plan, always a plan. I can see how the 61" would seem small, though, if the measurement is on the diagonal the same as SD TVs are. That extra 1/3 into the length means it's a lot squatter than SD tvs of the same size. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Sky on July 23, 2007, 09:45:51 AM Yes, my buddy the eqholic had an old 50" tv he bought to play the N64 on (Goldeneye 4-player ftw). It's roughly the same size as my tv if you hack off the widescreen bits, my set might actually be a hair smaller.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Yegolev on July 26, 2007, 07:27:51 PM Looks like the price cut worked, at least according to Sony. A Gamasutra story (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14801) reports sales are up 135%. Of course, Sony is still selling at a loss, but you have to get that install base before the holidays or else.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Margalis on July 26, 2007, 07:31:50 PM A fair number of people probably want to pick up the old model before the new, crappier emulation one comes out.
Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Velorath on July 27, 2007, 02:22:05 AM Looks like the price cut worked, at least according to Sony. A Gamasutra story (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14801) reports sales are up 135%. Yeah, but right now we're only talking about a 2 week period, right after the price drop. To say that there's been a surge in sales is really a "yeah, no shit" kind of statement at the moment. I recall Sony themselves pointing out before that they're in a marathon, not a sprint. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: Morfiend on July 27, 2007, 10:50:14 AM I have actually started to consider that it may soon be time to get a PS3. While there isnt a huge amount of games I want, there are some decent ones coming soon.
The PS3 controller is crap compared to the 360 controller. I have never likes the PS controllers for any thing except Tony Hawk. The left analog stick is just in the wrong place for my thumb, kind of the same way the thumbpad is in the wrong place on the 360 controller. Title: Re: PS3 price cut goes official. Post by: MrHat on July 30, 2007, 06:56:48 AM kind of the same way the thumbpad is in the wrong place on the 360 controller. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this problem. |