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Crafting

    * General
          o Novice & Expert cook NPCs no longer sell: Blueberries, Cabbage, Taters, Green Onions, Broccoli, Strawberries, Blackberries, and Raspberries.
          o Fixed Farming and Cooking instructions in "A Yeoman's Guide" crafting guide.
          o Improved the descriptions for all seven crafting guides.
          o Fixed numerous typos, grammatical errors, and incorrect instructions in the seven crafting guides.
          o Updated the message shown in the Crafting UI for when the player has not yet taken a crafting vocation. The message now directs players to seek out a Master or Mistress of Apprentices.
          o Fixed an issue where several professions did not unlock tier 5 mastery after completion of tier 5 proficiency.
          o Updated art for many, many crafted weapons!
          o Revised the minimum level requirements for many crafted weapons, shields, jewellery, and armour pieces. In general, the minimum level requirements for these items have been decreased.
          o Fixed quality issues with "Ancient Steel Mining Pick."
          o Capitalized the words "Jeweller" and "Tailor" in all of the titles for these two crafting professions.
          o Cleaned up item category sorting in auctions for all crafting components, resources, and ingredients.
          o Fixed recipe ingredients listed for "Padded Armour" in the following vocation introduction letters: Armourer, Explorer, and Yeoman.
          o Corrected information in the crafting guide, "A Tinker's Guide."
          o Corrected minor typos in the names of some crafting components.
          o Fixed a typo in the Armsman vocation crafting guide.
          o Quest items produced by quest recipes can no longer be sold, auctioned, or traded. In addition, destroying these quest items will also cause the quest to be abandoned.
          o Added more descriptive descriptions to all crafting recipe scrolls! Profession name, profession difficulty, and recipe type (where applicable) are now given in each recipe scroll's description.
          o All critical crafting tools are now know prefixed with the title "Superior," to easily distinguish them from normal crafting tools.
          o Fixed meta-tags for many crafting tools. Messages sent to the player regarding the tools should now use proper grammar.
          o Craft tool durability has been reduced slightly and repair cost adjusted so you never pay more to repair it than its value.
          o Removed the chance of getting monster trophies from crafting consignments and increased the amount of resources.
          o Crafting components & ingredients now use a green background in the icon.
          o Increased the bonuses on Polished Westernesse Dagger, Polished Westernesse Mace, Polished Westernesse Halberd, Mirrored Westernesse Sword, Mirrored Westernesse Greatsword, Mirrored Westernesse Axe, Mirrored Westernesse Headman's Axe, Mirrored Westernesse Halberd
          o Fixed a few cases where crafted halberds were not getting the correct amount of bonuses applied to them. These halberds now grant larger bonuses to might or vitality.
          o Forged Dwarf-craft Axe and Tempered Dwarf-craft Axe now give a bonus to in-combat power regeneration instead of Might so they no longer conflict with the weapons learned from the Master of Apprentices.
          o Solid Light Bronze Buckler now has the stats of a rare item.
          o Quests that allow you to progress to higher crafting tiers will now always have a gold ring, no matter what adventuring level you have reached. Other crafting quests will use the normal rules for quest icons.
          o Level 45 Class Quest Trophies for the third wave of the "Implements" and "Articles" quests are no longer Bind On Pickup.
          o Fixed an issue with the Crafting Solutions quests where the quest would fail to update.
          o Each of the "Part 3" crafting quests should now bring up the appropriate "superior facility" quest when completed.
          o When crafting multiple items, you will see the current and total number in the progress bar.
          o When crafting multiple items, the animation will now stay between creations.
          o Names of items in craft panel are now colored correctly according to rarity.
          o Heavy branches and Rich ore deposits can now be found in the world. These uncommon resource nodes are higher yield than normal resource nodes, giving a bit more variety to their respective harvesting systems.
          o Fixed an issue that was preventing players from using Superior Forges (right-click) to open their craft UI.
          o Rich Ore Deposits and Heavy Branches can now be found rarely on the landscape. These resources are less common but yield greater returns than their normal counterparts.
          o For many months (well... one month) crafters have scratched their heads over the location of the mysterious beast known as Sagrurz. Puzzle no longer! Sagrurz can now rarely be found on the landscape (though where he can be found we'll leave up to you to discover )
          o The Superior Workbench that was hanging out beneath the ground at the farms north of Hobbiton has been removed.
          o Crafting Quests should follow the quest consideration levels just like all other quests. Quests that advance your profession will always show a gold ring now.
          o Skinner Grubb, for the consignment quests, no longer has the title Leather Worker. We realized that this could be a bit confusing to all the real Leather Workers out there.

    * Farming
          o The farming vocation has been updated to allow the possibility of small profits when selling finished products back to a vendor. Only selling products created from fair plants will turn a profit, depending on the amount generated by the field. There is no profit in selling poor plants to vendors, yet they can be converted back into seeds.
          o Some pipe-weed seeds are now available to players via loot drops.
          o Added recipes for brewing beer!
          o Cooking and Farming vendors now sell components/recipes required for brewing beer.
          o Lowered the cost of seeds used by farmers to produce items used by cooks.
          o All pipe-weed varieties now have a max stacking size of 50.
          o Oats can now be grown by farmers, which can be used by cooks to make treats for the Lore-Master's bear-friend. Farmers should visit their local Novice Farmer for oat recipes and seeds, while cooks should seek out Novice Cooks to pick up a new recipe and craft ingredient. More powerful Bear Treat recipes can also be found elsewhere!
          o Pipe-weed seed recipes that award seeds which cannot be purchased from vendors will produce a total of two seeds per recipe execution.
          o Adjusted the output of some pipe-weed seed recipes to produce three seeds instead of two.
          o Decreased the quantity of Fertilizer, Earth of Erebor, and seeds needed to create all pipeweed and vegetable "field" recipes.
          o All tier 4 and 5 farming recipes that previously required superior workbench facilities now require normal workbench facilities.
          o Crop tracking has arrived again for the first time! Farmers can now toggle the 'Track Crops' skill, just like the 'Track Wood' and 'Track Mines' skills. Tracking crops will allow all landscape crop spawns to appear on your minimap.
          o Fixed the plural names for "Cauliflower Seed," "Bushel of Fair Cauliflower," and "Bushel of Poor Cauliflower" incorrectly showing up as "Broccoli."
    * Scholar
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          o Scholar vendors sell new ingredient items used in the making of Morale & Power regeneration potions.
          o Increased production quantities for Fire and Light Oil recipes
          o Increased production quantities for Beartraps, Multi-Traps, Shield Spikes, Caltrops, and Stun Dust.
          o Changed the ingredients used in two Scholar quest recipes, "Ballad of Aiglos" and "Chant of the Stalwart." They should now be using ingredients appropriate to the difficulty of the recipe.
          o Fixed an issue where the tier 3, 4, and 5 recipes for power and morale potions were producing the wrong items when executed (Morale potion recipes were producing power potions, and vice-versa).
          o Scholar potion recipes now have the chance to produce an improved potion when a critical result is achieved. Previously, two regular potions were produced on a critical success.
          o Changed the ingredients for all scholar power and morale potion recipes, reducing the focus on rare-drop scholar components and shifting that focus more over to store-bought ingredients.
          o Novice scholars now sell the "Hand-Bound Journal" item needed for some journeyman scholar recipes.
          o New scholar recipes have been added! Lore scroll recipes for Cooking, Jeweller, and Scholar have all been added to the Scholar profession. These recipes are automatically granted to you.
    * Cooking
          o Lowered prices of all cooking ingredients.
          o Changed the singular name of "Salt" to "Bag of Salt."
          o Rebalanced the required ingredient quantities for many cooking recipes. For the majority of recipes, the number of required ingredients has been reduced.
          o Fixed issues with effects getting double-listed on tooltips for the following items: Hornblower's Pie, Superior Hornblower's Pie, Stuffed Cabbage, and Superior Stuffed Cabbage
          o New recipes for lute strings have been added to Cooking! Cooks may now create lute strings for Minstrels that temporarily reduce threat generated when healing.
          o The "Serene Stew" recipe (a tier 2 recipe) was previously using a crafted tier 3 ingredient. The required ingredients have been changed to replace the crafted tier 3 ingredient with a crafted tier 2 ingredient.
          o The "Serene Stew" recipe (a tier 2 recipe) was previously using a crafted tier 3 ingredient. The required ingredients have been changed to replace the crafted tier 3 ingredient with a crafted tier 2 ingredient.
          o Fixed a typo in the plural name of "Complete Hobbit Breakfast."
          o Fixed a typo in the description of "Juicy Blackberries."
          o "A Taste of Skill, Part Two" is completeable again, after the
            great Hearty Stock Shortage of 3018. Enterprising hobbits have come up with new ingredients for the recipe, and all agree that the new stew is both stewier and more serene.
    * Weaponsmith:
          o Two tier 3 crafted weapons, "Bright Steel Dagger" and "Shining Steel Dagger," have been changed into granting an increase to vitality instead of agility. Other tier 3 daggers give an increase to agility.
          o Fixed issues with some Forged Dwarf-Craft weapon recipes requiring the wrong type of forge.
          o Fixed issue with some Polished Westernesse weapon recipes requiring the wrong type of forge.
          o Fixed instructions in "A Bounty of Blades" crafting guide.
    * Prospecting
          o Fixed a few instances where the name "Barrow-Iron" was displayed without the hyphen ("Barrow-Iron Deposits" and "Rich Barrow-Iron Deposits").
          o Fixed an issue with the "Refine Elven-steel" recipe using the
            incorrect type of ingot. This recipe now uses Ancient Iron ingots instead of Dwarf-steel ingots.
    * Jeweller
          o Cleaned up naming issues with both the normal and critical versions of the Striking and Vanquishing Runes.
          o Jewellers are now directed to find a workbench instead of a study.
          o Jewellers should now be able to receive Superior Workbench access.
    * Tailoring
          o Fixed the display names of some Tailoring recipe scrolls.
          o Fixed the decription for crafting component Leather Guard.
          o Tailors now sell recipes for crafting cloaks.
    * Metalworking:
          o Increased the level requirements for all tier 2 metalworking crafted heavy armour sets:
                + "Iron" armour set: Increased level requirement to 18 (was 15).
                + "Thick Iron" armour set: Increased level requirement to 18 (was 15).
                + "Crafted" armour set: Increased level requirement to 21 (was 19).
                + "Well-Crafted" armour set: Increased level requirement to 21 (was 19).
                + "Heavy Iron" armour set: Increased level requirement to 18 (was 15).
                + "Hardened Iron" armour set: Increased level requirement to 18 (was 15).
                + "Forge-Crafted" armour set: Increased level requirement to 21 (was 19).
                + "Temper-Crafted" armour set: Increased level requirement to 21 (was 19).
                + Note: This change may cause some armour pieces currently equipped to be removed to the player's inventory if they are no longer high enough level to wear the armour.
    * Woodworking
          o The tier 2 "Stout Ash" weapons were using the wrong quality level. This is now fixed.

Highlights links is, umm, wrong or a really bad joke.

Highlights links is, umm, wrong or a really bad joke.

I just want to know why champions do way more damage than my burglar. Even if I spam all of my abilities including conjunctions and criticals, I feel like I'm sucky as far as that goes. All I'm good for is a riddle.

Really? I think crafted rewards are pretty damn nice, if you ask me. My burglar is currently outfitted in 75% crafted leather gear.

Of course, I'm level 20, but still.

In terms of role, the champion only brings dps to the table (can semi tank, but you'd have to be desperate to bring a champion for anything else than dps). The champion rules AE damage. The hunter rules single target dps.
The burglar is the best debuffer in game + he can start conjunctions. That in itself is a reason enough why you shouldn't get anywhere close to the amount of dps a champion does.

I think a lot of people are confused because rogues are usually the melee dps in game. In LOTRO, burglar is the main debuffer.

Yeah, but Disable (the other one that escapes you) will eventually become useless when I equip the class trait that makes dust in the eyes AoE.


Oh well. I'm sure it improves later on, I just feel useless by comparison in groups.

Hey, when I play my hunter, I feel useless because the champs chew through stuff so fast that I rarely get off more than a few shots.

And, as a great starter for Mischievous glee, disable will always be a good one to have, even once dust goes AoE.

Yes, I know I'm the main debuff class, but I feel like I'm doing as much damage as the tank. Plus, my debuffs more or less suck at level 20, and all I'm good for is one conjunction every five minutes and a CC spell. I just feel like I should be contributing more.

I can't stand groups that don't get conjunctions.  The optimal CJ for a 6-man group is green, red, red, red, red, blue.  It's an AOE heal+damage+power.  People manage to fuck it up almost every single time.

I just don't get it.

One thing i noticed (which might explain why people manage to fuck up conjunctions) is the fact that lag and/or server refresh can make series very hard to pull off. Quite often, in our group of 3, the guardian starts immediately with a blue. The champion doesn't see the blue on his screen until it's almost too late, which basically leaves me with the choice of waiting too long or messing up our blue-yellow-green combo. I have no idea what is causing the delay, but we never have the problem in some zones and always in others (Agamaur for example is horrible. we often end up going for 3 blues or 3 yellows to avoid the sync issue). I can just imagine trying to do cycles with 6 persons in that context.

All I know is that guardians seem pissed by the changes to wounds. We'll wait and see if it is as big a deal as they're saying. For those who don't know, wounds now shut off some defensive skill, like, you might get wounded and also lose the ability to block.

Not to mention,  at around level 40,  somehow the Cap is now the class that has no problem dealing with 2 or 3 yellows/ojs while the champ can get laid out by one oj (especially if they have stuns, disarms, or armor piercing effects).

Added a new UI component to show your queued skill and the global delay that must expire before it will execute. The new component will not be shown by default, but you can hide or show it via the "Show Skill Queue Display" option in the UI Settings panel.

So if Loremasters could cure wounds during battle then they'd be able to make Guardians happy and it would be a Loremaster buff in the same way that, say, nerfing paladins was a priest buff in WoW... right? Except they can only cure wounds outside of combat, by which time they've usually expired anyway.

I can't stand groups that don't get conjunctions.  The optimal CJ for a 6-man group is green, red, red, red, red, blue.  It's an AOE heal+damage+power.  People manage to fuck it up almost every single time.

I just don't get it.

Yeah, neither me. I was in a PUG last night in Dol Dinen and the fucking CHIMPS in the group simply couldn't get this. One champ kept saying, why would you do anything but red?

Plus, of course, he was the idiot who kept hitting "need" for everything now that they've added a need/greed/pass looting system. Not because he was a looter, I think, but because he honestly didn't understand what it was even after people explained it to him about ten times.

LOTRO players seem to me to be a bit nicer than the misanthropic average in MMOGs but also a good bit dumber.

Weird. I've had few problems so far except in one group and I knew it was going to be bad and bailed after our first wipe. (The damn group wiped doing the black fire quest. It's blue to me. We wiped because my champ was the only one in the group who would go peel mobs off of the minstrel and in a fight where the friggin' Captain's herald went and grabbed two elites when we were already fighting 3 I was unable to go save her due to being the only champ using my aoes and such to try to burn the mobs down. We had a guardian but the dwarf champ booted him from the group because he and the guy got into a piss fight.)

I'm rather ashamed to say I grouped with the cheeseburglr once in Lone Lands.

Played my LM a little.  Died a few times, grew frustrated and logged.  Wounds on LMs are just deadly.  No more kiting.

I don't know how to play this.  I'm supposed to let my pet tank completely?  Or I'm supposed to not ever get aggro?  I don't know what to do, but my old LM playing style is not working.  Considering it's the weakest class before the patch, and now it's been weakened further - at least my way of playing an LM is weakened.

I read somewhere that the next big patch, hunters and guardians get love.

So um.  Nail in the coffin and all that.

Played my LM a little.  Died a few times, grew frustrated and logged.  Wounds on LMs are just deadly.  No more kiting.

I don't know how to play this.  I'm supposed to let my pet tank completely?  Or I'm supposed to not ever get aggro?  I don't know what to do, but my old LM playing style is not working.  Considering it's the weakest class before the patch, and now it's been weakened further - at least my way of playing an LM is weakened.

I read somewhere that the next big patch, hunters and guardians get love.

So um.  Nail in the coffin and all that.

I guess I need to play more to adjust.  I only played for about 15 minutes, died 3 times in that 15 minutes due to being stuck in a graveyard surrounded by mobs. 

I assume I'm missing some vital traits.  Will have to readjust and see.

There are oodles of new quests for your level range in the new zone.  Most didn't seem to be too awful to solo/duo, though I was a little higher level then required for a bunch of them.

Some neat quests, too:  Blue Lady final quest (have to figure out the answer), carry a chest out of a town while dodging some folks, a new set of easy riddle quests on the salamander island....

Even the one group instance quest I tried was pretty neat.  Thief-Takers Bane has you traveling to an instance to defend three camps of rangers from successive waves of bandits (usually a few regular bandits and a couple elites per wave).  You need to split your group,  but that leaves one camp of rangers undefended.

Since failure is 3 rangers dying,  we did it a bunch of times right in a row trying to figure out a good strategy without the standard wipe/med/regroup time.  Made it pretty far in the waves once or twice,  got booted out quickly on another.

More of an interesting/thinking quest in coming up with and trying strategies, since it has a fast turnaround and at most maybe 1 or 2 group members might die.  Good change from some of the group quests that seem to involve grinding through endless numbers of much lower level elite mobs.

Played my LM a little.  Died a few times, grew frustrated and logged.  Wounds on LMs are just deadly.  No more kiting.

I don't know how to play this.  I'm supposed to let my pet tank completely?  Or I'm supposed to not ever get aggro?  I don't know what to do, but my old LM playing style is not working.  Considering it's the weakest class before the patch, and now it's been weakened further - at least my way of playing an LM is weakened.

I read somewhere that the next big patch, hunters and guardians get love.

So um.  Nail in the coffin and all that.

I hear LM's are uber in MvP, maybe thats a motivating factor to level one up.  :hello_kitty:

I've had much better luck but I have some rules I follow:

1) If you don't even make an attempt to spell I won't join your group. I am not nitpicking about little stuff but if you post in LFF "r ne1 need Black Fire? LFM" I'm not joining your group or inviting you into mine. Period. Even if the reward for the quest is the Uber sword of orc slayage I won't. If you're too dumb to spell you're too dumb to use good tactics. This especially holds if you use r for are, u for you, ne1 for anyone or anything similiar.
2) If you have a name that is retarded I'm not joining your group. This means guys on my server like pdiddy, cheeseburgler, and powderpuff are not for me. And if I'm leading a fellowship I'll lie to you and tell you we're full if you ask to join. Why? because if you're too stupid to use a name that doesn't sound like a rapper or a mascot for a fast food chain or a little girl's doll then again, you're too stupid to use good tactis.
3) If you're spamming the LFF channel then you're desperate and there is usually a reason why. So again, I'm not joining your group or inviting you into mine. This one is sometimes bent a little depending on how the spam is done.