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http://www.apple.com/safari/

Have you ever said to yourself, "My web browsing just isn't anti-aliased enough"?

I'm using it now. It's a lot quicker than Firefox. Then again, so are most things.

Why? Safari is shit on the Mac, what would bringing it to a PC accomplish?

I thought it was cute. Plus I'd like to know how they manage the level of anti-aliasing they do, I'd like it on Firefox plz.

(http://www.brokentoys.org/images/safarivsfirefox.png)

Quite beta still. Doesn't survive the "Import Bookmarks" option from my Firefox yet without crashing. I guess I give it another try if it does.

I find that much harder to read.  Too blurry.

Yeah, I thought anti-aliasing was supposed to be crisper and clearer without pixelation.  That just looks smeared around to me.

Safari is a giant pile of dogshit. On any platform.

Oh god, bloom on letters. MY EYES.

Yea, that's not antialiasing a single goddamn thing. It's just making the standard font bigger and bold. None of the images have anything going on.

Goddamn does Safari suck.

Blow me, Jobs.

What a terrible browser. Only resizable from the dragmark in the bottom left corner, way too much AA, that wonderful non-windows app look. Blech.

I think the problem here is that Lum isn't giving up the goodies on what he's working on.  Hence the Safari ambush.

Now get working!

Although I won't be using Safari any time soon, I'm with Lum.  If you can anti-alias it, please do so.

That's really the only reason I switched to XP over Win2K; Cleartype.  Everything else I could live with, and in fact preferred Win2K.  Cleartype was the deal breaker.

Meh I've used FF and Safari side by side for testing. Safari is nowhere near as bad as the apparently highly educated opinions here would suggest. It goes overboard on AA. FF/WinXP doesn't do it at all well either. Safari is faster on OS X than FF or Opera. That said I prefer FF but the illogical hate for Safari (which is really just Konquerer) is odd.

Don't get all the hate for Konqueror^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H, er Safari.

Personally, I don't use it, only for a few sites that FF is buggy on. Mainly use Firefox due to Firebug extension (if you develop web applications and you're not aware of this extension, you need to stop reading this and go DL & install it right now…) and a few other extensions too… …Safari > IE, as far as standards go and all, but neither Safari nor FF are as fast as Camino, which is based on Mozilla engine.

Mac users can also use OmniWeb, Opera or Flock too…

Here's a niftier deal coming with Leopard…

Fast Boot Camp Switching
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2007/june#mon-11-boot_camp_switching

How is Camino? Some other OS X users at work swear by it, but switching browsers completely is a bit of a PITA. Guess i should just dload it and see for myself.

KHTML, which Konquerer and Safari and some other apps use (e.g. Adobe's Apollo uses it), is Yet Another HTML Rendering Engine that has to be tested against for those that care about such things. Why couldn't Apple just use the Gecko engine, used by the Mozilla browsers, among others, for example? Flock uses Gecko and so does Camino, so those are okay. They just have different UIs.

Camino is good if you like tight OS X integration and don't mind the lack of Firefox/Mozilla extensions.

I like Camino a lot, it's a trimmed down Firefox (which started as a trimmed down Mozilla), but the big reason I opt for FF is because of extensions, namely Firebug, but there are others (like DownloadHelper and ColorZilla) that I rely on. Of course I may have 2-3 browsers up and working anyway (at least during work day)…

V1.5 just released last week
http://www.caminobrowser.org/

That's fucing seksi - i only reboot to play CoH - a fast reboot option would be great. Full virtualization w. no reboot would be better but hey...

My Mac laptop has just about every web browser installed on it, and though I like the render speed of Safari and Opera, and I like the font handling of Camino and Safari and I like the memory footprint of anything not Firefox, I still use Firefox. select-rightclick-Google is killer.

Safari has that as well. I found it yesterday by accident as I rarely right click except to save-as since they don't have navigation commands on the right click menu (my biggest complaint with Safari).

And I don't even run Safari 2 (I guess that came with the last system upgrade? I never picked it up).

Holy hell. How did I miss this feature..

I was reading the memory footprint is like 100+ MB's.  That true?

Err, you mean like I can do in IE?

Sometimes I feel leftout that all I use is IE. Then I get over it.

Missing a backspace, chief.

I don't want furry letters.

http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/06/niiiice.html

Apparently the guy who found the Apple Wi-Fi hack has already beat the snot out of it and found a few remote code execution vulnerabilities and DoS bugs.

Cleartype makes me think I'm drunk or I need a new eyeglass prescription. I've tried it multiple times and it always fucks with my eyes.

EDIT: Also, Safari is crap. It's slow as molasses on every Mac I've ever run it on, it has terrible problems with caching issues and is just generally shitty.

The big reason for Safari on Windows:

http://daringfireball.net/

If I highlight->right click->google it does the client=firefox but if I just type 'google <search>' into the address bar it doesn't.  Bug?  Or feature?

50 million in ad revenue off searches seems like a lot.  Time to write a plug-in that seems cool and everyone will want to use but changes the client to MURGOS in their google searches.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html?hi=joel

So, I need to configure an automatic proxy for browsing from my office.  Safari won't let me do that, the configure proxy button is greyed out.  Without that Safari simply crashes on launch as it attempts to contact the apple home page which it won't let me change to an empty page (well it lets me change it, it just doesn't save the settings).

Brilliant.  Let me know when beta 4 is released.

Interesting read.

Were I printing a newsletter I might care.  As the majority of my time is spent reading and working on web pages, Apple can keep Safari.

I mostly use Safari, but I also have Firefox, Camino and Shiira (and a relic copy of IE) for various reasons: features, compatiblity. There is no best browser. Just the best tool for a specific job.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/perspective.png)

Joel is an idiot. At least on this matter (well, on others too, he's quickly descending down into Dvorak-bot land…) …I know from what I speak of, as my eyesight is so shoddy that I do notice these things about anti-aliasing. And while it might be true that on the font smoothing on Windows boxes might look better when done by Windows, font displays on Mac OSX are superior to equivalent technology (Clear Type) on Windows.

Apple’s New Safari Hits Korean Ditch
 
Apple’s newly released web browser for Windows is pie-in-the-sky for Korean users since it fails to display Korean characters properly. Apple CEO Steve Jobs introduced the first Windows version of Safari on Monday to huge international hype.
Safari 3.0, a version of the Macintosh browser that runs on the Windows PC operating system, directly challenges rival Microsoft’s Internet Explorer. Apple claims Safari operates much faster than competitors such as IE 7 and Firefox. Apple offered a free download of the beta version of Safari on its website on the day.
 
When the Chosun Ilbo reporter installed Safari 3 on the Windows XP PC, it operated perfectly when displaying web pages in English, and there were no great problems with Japanese and Chinese text except with the play of some Flash files.

But there is a critical problem for Safari: it has trouble seeing Korean text on web pages. When we entered “chosun.com” in the address box of Safari, the Korean text was not displayed correctly. We then chose “text encoding” from the view menu, but the browser failed to recognize it. No matter what encoding we chose, Korean characters were not displayed.

A software programmer says Apple does not appear to support Korean encoding technology since there are relatively few Macintosh users in Korea. One netizen commented sarcastically, “Apple was brave to release this beta version of the web browser. If Microsoft were in Apple’s shoes, it would come under heavy fire.”

This is especially funny for me since I've lately been railroaded into uses a MacBook for school, and we had to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley in class today.  The class, by the way, is called "Computers, Math & the Internet"

I hate the anti-aliasing OS X does, gives me a headache. I feel like my contacts are getting old (and they are brand new!).

Since I also hate how OS X does mouse acceleration, I guess I'll just stick to Windows .. and I was just getting use to OS X ..

It all comes down to what you are comfortable with.

I have never been a fan of how Windows looks. It always seems clodgy to me. I can still use it, and usually without complaints, but when I have the choice, I will use a mac. It is a personal preference thing.

One of the major problems of windows versions of Apple software is that they try their best to replicate the look of the Mac versions, which is nigh impossible to do with the differences in how everything is dealt with. You have all kinds of little things that make the graphical user experience noticably different on a basic level. The simplest, and most often overlooked one, is that the default color temperature/gamma/screen resolution (dpi) are considerably different between the two operating systems. The subtle differences are what are most disturbing to people. You notice when something is slightly off what you expect, but sometimes cannot grasp exactly what that difference is which leads to a more negative "feeling" than if the differences are glaringly obvious.

I would be much, much happier using OSX if I could find some way to turn off that mouse acceleration.

I found using the Microsoft Intellimouse drivers seem to help. Since I have a Microsoft Intellimouse anyways, it worked out OK for me.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/30303

Freeware mouse fixit thiny.

Golly, thanks!

Safari's faster than Firefox and I don't really get this anti-aliasing problem you people seem to have (you did notice the font smoothing dropdown in preferences, right?). However it lacks a lot of the functionality I have in Firefox; I don't see it becoming my primary browser. It's nice to have for website compatibility testing though.

The find tool is quite nice (ctrl+f), its close to the way Opera's find tool works but looks a bit nicer I think.