Why all the flak?

[Morfiend]

I must reiterate: IF you stay on the Horde.

I have spent my entire WoW time playing horde. Except for a brief stint to level 30 as a Paladin for shits. One thing you might not know, Night Elves do have one great animation. They have an awesome death animation.

[Dren]

I enjoy playing WoW over anything else on the market now.  Yes, I've tried most all of them. 

If a game comes out with as much polish and is even more casual I'll go to that one in a heartbeat.  Anything that is remotely less casual friendly will not get my sub past the first free month.

I'd like to see crafting done much better too.

I can't comment on PvP yet.  I haven't gotten to a point where I feel I could be competent yet.

/KickDeadHorse

All this over a mole post.  Inconceivable!

[Rasix]

I don't think it's a mole post (WoW moles.. eehhl o lll.  I'm not saying any of you actually believe this either), just a bad first post from someone that doesn't really know how it works here. You can watch a soccer game, chess, or Texas Hold'em on TV, but you're not going to be able to just jump in and do it. Lurkers almost always have shitty first posts/threads and take a beating before they either settle down and acclimate or run off never to be heard from again.

WoW gets criticized because it does things wrong.  Some of this has been pointed out here. I agree with most (if not all) of it, but I still like WoW a lot.

WoW gets criticized because of the design process employed at Blizzard. They make their game centered around a core target activity; in WoW's case this raiding.  The rest of the game is considered accessibility and a way to draw people into the core game.  At the AGC, Pardo described this as a "donut".  Raiding is the center (and ironically the empty part of the donut) and the rest of game is built around it.

The "donut" is a puzzling and troubling concept but apropos in a way that Pardo may not have intended.  You eat a donut and when you're done you've got nothing left.  You can dive in and embrace that void and find fun in it, but I'm sure a lot of us would have just preferred to keep eating donuts.  Perhaps Pardo should start making danishes. Of course, all the money is in donuts so why bother.

My entire issue is with the ethereal center of the donut.  I don't have time for it. My life doesn't work with it.  It's the only part of the game that tries to make me choose it over real life.  Perhaps I never found the right guild, but all of the conflicting desires I have make that a damn near impossibility (anyone got a mature, small, action oriented guild that occasionally pvps, but still has enough members to do the smaller raids at 10pm PST?).  I still want to resub sometime in the next couple of months and that actually worries my wife.   

There's no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be anything close in a MMO.  Expect people to find umbrage and discuss things they don't like, especially here.

[Typhon]

but I'm sure a lot of us would have just preferred to keep eating donuts. 

at this point I'm so fucking hungy I have to go eat before I can return to figure out what the point of your post is

[Rasix]

They pulled every Krispy Kreme out of the city I live in.  How lame is that? I prefer Dunkin Donuts, but if you drove by a Krispy Kreme, it wasn't a bad alternative. 

Mmmm... donuts.

[Ironwood]

Despite the hunger, you put it a lot better than I've seen in a while.

Pardo should read it.

[Typhon]

My entire issue is with the ethereal center of the donut.  I don't have time for it. My life doesn't work with it.  It's the only part of the game that tries to make me choose it over real life.

(now that hunger has been conquered and I'm capable of reading comprehension) amen brother, preach it.

[Nija]

There's no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be anything close in a MMO. 

We were playing it but apparently we were the only ones.

[Flood]

I agree that it seems like a mole post to me because of the low post count and the topic.  And like there isn't enough cogent and articulate material about WoW all over these forums already?  We need another post? (I actually enjoy reading everyone's thoughts however)

I highly doubt that the Tetragrammaton sends "moles" here.  My feeling on posts like these is that maybe it's a student doing a project or someone with a nascent gaming site looking for material.

After reading this whole thread I can distill my apathy for WoW down to the fact that as you advance in levels your progression becomes more and more dependant on other people.  And because of the many reasons listed (a large amount of people without an MMO playing background, player age, generally being new to teh intarwebz, etc) this process becomes so painful that it overshadows the fun parts of the game.

[Scadente]

Agreed, the topic wasn't original, nor informative. But hey, first topic = crap (most of the time).

And well, it's always a laugh watching human nature :) Espescially on the internet, where noone really knows anyone, and the suspicion it can arouse. But it sparked a nice discussion, and some good points were raised.

[Rasix]

There's no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be anything close in a MMO. 

We were playing it but apparently we were the only ones.

That picture always makes me misty eyed.  I really wish I could have had a homogenous collection, but hell, Moby collected heads too. Hearts were just an undiscovered commodity no one bothered with.

I think the patch that may have killed UO for me was the one where they made body parts decay rapidly and made them not storable.