Blizzard confirms paladin overhaul.

[Selby]

On the other hand, being a Shadow Priest sucks moderatly too. If you're not raiding or grouping as a priest you're better off playing as another class if you ask me.

I like the lack of downtime and the chance of stunning.  It's essentially a mage that doesn't have to drink all the time but takes a bit longer to kill monsters.  Being a priest has some useful talents and abilities for monster control that my mage doesn't have.  I fully understand that it is mainly a healing class, but as I said I utterly hated trying to level a priest as a holy or discipline spec.  Shadow may not kill very fast, but it kills a hell of a lot faster than holy...

I prefer to DPS the hades out of everything and watch it die, which is why I usually play a mage or rogue.  I decided to give it a fair chance at trying to heal - tanking is just a snoozefest to level, or at least was at release when I last played a warrior or paladin.

[Montague]

On the other hand, being a Shadow Priest sucks moderatly too. If you're not raiding or grouping as a priest you're better off playing as another class if you ask me.

I like the lack of downtime and the chance of stunning.  It's essentially a mage that doesn't have to drink all the time but takes a bit longer to kill monsters.  Being a priest has some useful talents and abilities for monster control that my mage doesn't have.  I fully understand that it is mainly a healing class, but as I said I utterly hated trying to level a priest as a holy or discipline spec.  Shadow may not kill very fast, but it kills a hell of a lot faster than holy...

I prefer to DPS the hades out of everything and watch it die, which is why I usually play a mage or rogue.  I decided to give it a fair chance at trying to heal - tanking is just a snoozefest to level, or at least was at release when I last played a warrior or paladin.

My holy priest is killing stuff just fine, and I've died once in the last 20 levels or so (he's 40). Wanding spec + Spirit Tap + holy and you're good to go.

[Xanthippe]

And I can understand people who have shaman or druids and get stuck with healing when they wanted to do something else particularly when the specs change and make other things unviable, but if you roll a priest and don't want to heal, I just don't get it.

I rolled a priest and didn't want to heal, so I went shadow.  Then I realized I really wanted a warlock, so I did that.

[lamaros]

And I can understand people who have shaman or druids and get stuck with healing when they wanted to do something else particularly when the specs change and make other things unviable, but if you roll a priest and don't want to heal, I just don't get it.

I rolled a priest and didn't want to heal, so I went shadow.  Then I realized I really wanted a warlock, so I did that.

Eventually you'll realise that you really want a mage. Or just get annoyed because the Warlock class is really just a mage in disguise and you don't want a mage.

Of course, all the mages seem to be trying out warlocks these days. Green grass and all that.

[Fordel]

They both spam 2* the entire raid for the most part 



*or where-ever they've bound their primary nuke

[cevik]

They both spam 2* the entire raid for the most part 

Affliction locks get to micromanage DoT rotations a lot more than they spam Shadowbolt.

That wasn't a complaint, by the way.

[lamaros]

They both spam 2* the entire raid for the most part 

Affliction locks get to micromanage DoT rotations a lot more than they spam Shadowbolt.

That wasn't a complaint, by the way.

There are no affliction locks in raids.

[Fordel]

What Lamaros said.


I feel like we are having 1 conversation across 4 threads in here (the WoW forums).

[kildorn]

Remove greater blessings, make blessings 1 minute duration.

BAM, instant holy paladin spell rotation our of Holy Light Holy Light Lol!

 

[K9]

That would be insanely bad.

[Nonentity]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Shockadins (holy/ret) - I have seen some in arenas that put out stupidly insane burst numbers (sup no holy resist). You can DPS decently well, as well as heal. You lose Blessing of Kings (whatever, make the prot pally do that).

I'm speaking mainly from a perspective of PvP though, so yeah.

That being said - I know for example that on my warrior, I can already kind of tell the end talents on the warrior trees aren't really worth it.

Being able to go down the fury tree to Flurry, though? Hi-larious. I can get rampage too, if I want. MS + Rampage = lol @ two instant hit melee attacks.

[Fordel]

Good luck getting rage for both. 

[Ragnoros]

Being able to go down the fury tree to Flurry, though? Hi-larious. I can get rampage too, if I want. MS + Rampage Bloodthirst = lol @ two instant hit melee attacks.

FIFY

[Calantus]

MS, BT, and SS all share the same cooldown.

[Azazel]

My first "main" was a Paladin.  That character is now a healadin and is all but shelved now. 
Would I like to see the class revamped?  Hell yes.

Total agreement.

Why do people roll healing classes if healing bores them?

I rolled a pally just after release because in everything that came before WoW (EQ1, D&D, Fantasy Archetypes) the Paladin is a tank who can also throw a few heals. He's armed with sword and shield or a great big fucking 2-handed weapon. He wears plate and rides a summoned holy steed covered in barding. He's the holy knight, the zealot, the templar, the crusader.

Those terms don't make me think 2nd-rate healbot. They make me think of taking ass and kicking names.
I also rolled the pally because my main in EQ1 was a Shadowknight, which WoW lacks (lacked).


What I got in WoW wasn't the fantasy archetype of the Paladin at all. It was a cockroach/sub-healer which despite the plate and shield couldn't tank and instead had a retarded sub-game of blessings, seals and judgements that made me feel like a 3rd-rate EQ bard. I stopped playing my pally at 55, well before BC, and even since BC only got him up to 62 (mostly by 2-boxing my wife's mage leading him around blasting everything top PL him through the quests) before not even bothering to log him in anymore.

[Simond]

You need to log in and spec ret. It's pretty much the 'archetypical paladin' at the moment.

[apocrypha]

Problem is, it's not as simple as just logging in and respeccing is it? You also have to get hold of an entire new set of gear.

This is what happened with my shaman. Levelled him up as Enhance, which rocks for levelling... but sucks big hairy ones for endgame. Got to 70 and discovered I wasn't wanted in 5-mans and I couldn't pvp worth crap. Started farming rep to get new gear to respec Elemental but got bored before I'd managed to get more than about 3 pieces so he's now consigned to doing dailies and waiting for WOTLK :/

Luckily my pally was levelled up as a Holy healbot... which he remains :p

[SurfD]

If you cant get a group as an enhance shaman, your server sucks and fails to understand exactly how useful enhance shammies are. 

[apocrypha]

Yeah, this is a conclusion I reached a looooong time ago about this server :p

Thing is that nobody does non-heroics any more. At all :/  Plus I kinda stopped trying after a few weeks of constantly LFG'ing, which I find very demoralising. It's not really a problem, I'm an altaholic. Currently levelling up a hunter, a shadow priest, a druid and a warlock 

[Dren]

I unshelved my healadin last Monday because he was requested for a Mount Hyjal raid.  It seems they had too many priests and druids and wanted another Pally buff, which in this case meant Kings from me.  We had some issues, but it wasn't due to healing.  That was rock solid.

That fight isn't bad for a Healadin because you basically just stand still and poke the life bars.  I did enjoy actually surviving through out the entire thing because I could take damage without dieing immediately.  Well, that was right up until my computer crashed 10 seconds from killing the second boss.  Come back and die to the swarm of undead that took over the town and missed my 2 badge drop.  Then the raid dissolved.

[Montague]

More news from the Beta forums. It's kinda confusing but hopefully I have it right:

Seals and Judgments have been revamped. Instead of the regular judgment spell, paladins will get 3 spells: Judgment of Light, Judgment of Wisdom, and Judgment of Justice. In addition to the normal debuff effect of the judgment, damage will be dealt to the target depending on the present seal being used. Seals are no longer expended when judged. Seal of Light and Seal of Wisdom also do a moderate amount of damage in addition to their other effects which scale with AP.

So basically a paladin can now fire up Seal of Command, judge it with Wisdom, and get both the JOC damage AND the JOW debuff on the target, and keep on trucking with SoC instead of having to spend mana to reseal.

[Fordel]

There also hilariously bugged currently. 20k Judged Command crits anyone?

[slog]

Yeah, this is a conclusion I reached a looooong time ago about this server :p

Thing is that nobody does non-heroics any more. At all :/  Plus I kinda stopped trying after a few weeks of constantly LFG'ing, which I find very demoralising. It's not really a problem, I'm an altaholic. Currently levelling up a hunter, a shadow priest, a druid and a warlock 

I know I don't.  A few Kara and ZA runs and you never go back to Heroics.  This is because:

1) They take too long given the rewards you get. 2 hours for 3 or 4 badges? blech.  
2) The Loot drops don't compare to the 10 many dropds.

[Dren]

The only reason I want to do heroics or even normal instances is to get rep for some of the "required" rewards.  These include the enhancement rewards to helms, shoulders, etc. that you can't get anywhere else.  I currently have a priest that is stuck with this dilemna in that he can't get the healing enhancement from Honor Hold.  He's fully epic geared and runs instances far and above any of the Hellfire heroic instances, but he's still "not good enough" to get that reward.

That's where that new electable faction gain system they talked about for WotLK would be extremely beneficial to me.  Gain in other factions while doing runs through Kara, Gruul's, Mag's, ZA, etc?  Hell yes.

[Fabricated]

The only reason I want to do heroics or even normal instances is to get rep for some of the "required" rewards.  These include the enhancement rewards to helms, shoulders, etc. that you can't get anywhere else.  I currently have a priest that is stuck with this dilemna in that he can't get the healing enhancement from Honor Hold.  He's fully epic geared and runs instances far and above any of the Hellfire heroic instances, but he's still "not good enough" to get that reward.

That's where that new electable faction gain system they talked about for WotLK would be extremely beneficial to me.  Gain in other factions while doing runs through Kara, Gruul's, Mag's, ZA, etc?  Hell yes.

Heroic Shattered Halls is 5 badges and a big stack of primals/potions if you don't suck and kill the executioner before the timer. It was the daily yesterday and I tanked it as a prot warrior largely without incident. 7 badges for about an hour, hour and a half of playing isn't bad! Also when you're decently equipped you feel like a god tanking in that place since Shattered Halls is the kingpin of fucking ridiculously large pulls.

[Dren]

The only reason I want to do heroics or even normal instances is to get rep for some of the "required" rewards.  These include the enhancement rewards to helms, shoulders, etc. that you can't get anywhere else.  I currently have a priest that is stuck with this dilemna in that he can't get the healing enhancement from Honor Hold.  He's fully epic geared and runs instances far and above any of the Hellfire heroic instances, but he's still "not good enough" to get that reward.

That's where that new electable faction gain system they talked about for WotLK would be extremely beneficial to me.  Gain in other factions while doing runs through Kara, Gruul's, Mag's, ZA, etc?  Hell yes.

Heroic Shattered Halls is 5 badges and a big stack of primals/potions if you don't suck and kill the executioner before the timer. It was the daily yesterday and I tanked it as a prot warrior largely without incident. 7 badges for about an hour, hour and a half of playing isn't bad! Also when you're decently equipped you feel like a god tanking in that place since Shattered Halls is the kingpin of fucking ridiculously large pulls.

Oh, I know...  Nobody in my guild will do them though.  Last night, for instance (pun intended,) I got roped into another Hyjal run.  It took the same amount of time to do nearly a full Kara speed run, but we only took down 3 bosses.  I got 6 badges.  I do have to admit I just missed out on a top notch healing mace for my Paladin though.  Even then, I'd have more fun in a Heroic SH run and I'd get relatively more out of it.

I just need to bite the bullet and PUG some heroics on my own.