War

[Endie]

I believe that the tower we killed a short while ago was the last Kenny tower in the 5BTK outpost system.  This is notable because 24 hours ago it was 100% towered by Kenny.  I believe that the same will be true of MO- tomorrow.

Edit: looks like 25 towers killed so far today, 5 left to go.

Then tomorrow there are 19 more to come out, at least some of which they have to save or else they'll start losing sov to TCF in yet more systems.  Since six towers are in PR-, their home system, one has to imagine that they've got a good chance of saving at least those.

[trevorreznik]

Wow.

I'm looking at the map and trying to figure out what isn't in reinforced right now, have you guys hit:
T-M, C6Y, 39P/PS-/8RQ?

[Endie]

Wow.

I'm looking at the map and trying to figure out what isn't in reinforced right now, have you guys hit:
T-M, C6Y, 39P/PS-/8RQ?

As I said somewhere here I am a complete nerd and have been marking the progress of sov and towering on a paper map and there aren't many areas of the map that aren't dotted with operations of one sort or another.  The trouble is that PL, MM, TCF, KIA and Rzr are all doing stuff that comes as huge news to us normal goons when they need a hand there.

Don't you feel that it's a shame you're not here, after what you helped do last year?

[trevorreznik]

Yeah, I'd definitely like to be beating on BoB, but I can tell myself I helped set them up for this fall a long time ago by mass recruiting all their pets and lowering the quality of their fleets.  In the first few days of this invasion things looked dicey for you guys, but holy crap it turned around.  Literally the only time in the last week you haven't had your way in Delve was when -A- called an op to go over there.

The most annoying thing to me about this is I really believe jammers need nerfing, but I'm worried CCP will go 'oh hey see what happens without jammers?  too easy to take space!!  got to leave them in.'  :I

[Endie]

Since my post about it got sucked into the new thread with all the cynojammer stuff:

FOFF, the 379-strong main fighting force in Executive Outcomes, with their primary logistics folks and titan pilot, have decided to leave Exe amidst infighting.  Classic failure cascade, as people start to identify with their corps instead of their alliances as those are seen to fail.

I'd not say that they were awesome, but that's a big chunk of Kenny's remaining active allies gone bye-bye.

The Mittani shared a bunch of porn with us from Exe as well as from SCA.  Lots of people complaining about their horrendous GKC FCs, about getting nowhere but blown up etc.  Things progress.

[Endie]

OK, here is some more porn on the withdrawal of Kenny's most effective corp in their most effextive ally (admittedly not saying much) that has been cleared for general release.  Note the recording of their plans on TS.

Months ago, I would have described FOFF as the only halfway decent corp in EXE. Last week, I would have described it as the last remaining corp with even a shred of competence in the GBC. Now, they're fucking off to god knows where and resetting BoB, and with any luck, the rest of EXE.

Uno: Major Riven (Their CEO) Has A Corp Meeting

Regrettable, our GIA agent didn't manage to catch the part where Riven called the rest of EXE "whining dribbling twats". I guess you can just take my word for it ^_^

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=2...4e75f6e8ebb871

Dos: Lord Seth (Their Diplomat) Makes a Morale Post

1) Do every thing Riven told us to do!

2) Join "arzhieh defence"

3) Get your cyno alts to either chamemi and/or Arzieh

4) Move all FOFF caps to Arzieh or Chamemi

5) Take the next 2 weeks to rat and make iskies in PB and fill up your wallets and fix sec status

6) Plz get your gear in order in PB and be preped for EVAC 2 weeks.

7) do not use EXE Team Speak (only bob and FOFF)

**We will have many options for us soon. So stay active and fill your wallets.**

Tres: Really Dead Kenny (Head FC and a Lousy Lay) Makes A Morale Post

We are waiting a couple weeks for stuffs and things, then we will be leaving exe.
Do not mention it to others in exe, dont be a prick to others in exe (iff you can help it)
Try to avoid podkilling pricks like speedie until we leave, if he asks for a cyno drop him into a goon fleet if possible
Joining fleets is much more optional than before, if you want to fight you can, but you aren't going to be forced
Try to get assets you can't liquidate on the market (faction items etc) hauled up to empire.
Donate a ton of isk to me

[Arthur_Parker]

http://killboard.executive-outcomes.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=62810

Whats the cause of this I wonder?

I was wrong, this seems to have sparked major drama in EXE.  See Endie's post just above as well.

[Pezzle]

I suppose that is a fair enough comparison Endie. 

For those of you not familiar with our political history here is a little snippet.  CVA is not terribly interested in intrigue or cluster wide machinations.  I remember when the RSF was going CVA was sought on a few occasions.  Both sides of these conflicts have hoped to win our support, we are content in the pursuit of our own objectives.  Our policies do not make us tons of friends abroad ;).  Granted some groups have displayed more understanding or restraint than others.  For example, goons leave us alone (mostly), believe it or not, and in turn tend to be ignored (mostly).  The fact remains that most of 0.0 outside Providence is hostile.  In the age of supergroups not signing on is a dangerous course.  Yes, we have received help and cooperated in isolated incidents, but those are singular enterprises.   Northern groups have contacted us, southern groups have contacted us.  If we were interested in playing EVE 0.0 the more traditional way CVA could be double or triple the size we are now.  We have turned away corps that might just drop your jaw. 

Now on to other matters. 

HED is of little strategic value to us.  We have been urged to hit that system by a variety of parties.  It suits us to skirmish (and I think AAA as well).  I doubt AAA cares much if we show up and melt UK face (DHB foofighter was on scene in an inty).  AAA sends raiders on us, we send raiders on them.  In the meantime we clean up areas of interest and make Providence the most densely populated non war region of 0.0.  For the glory of the Empire in our wizard robes and hats (and staves).  In our book that is victory laps and backflips. 

Here is a picture of lightning bolts in action. 

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3628/02152009225105qy0.png

[Phildo]

I was amused a week ago when I noticed that the corp in EXE that took Hurley after his Titan loss was in Kenzoku, but Hurley was by then in a different EXE corp.

[Sir T]

In a fine display of recruiting standards and a find display of non failure cascading King Balthazar, big cheese of FOFF in EXE has joined DICE.

Oh and another 30 poses have been reinforced in Delve.

[Pezzle]

Well if Balth IS Fire Hawk that is not really a surprise is it?  Fire Hawk has bounced Bob.  Arcane tech 2 years, dice 1.5, Arcane a few days, dice a year.  Now FoFF.  (Arcane is in the 5, dice alt corp yea?)

[Endie]

We killed all the towers that came out yesterday.  All forty-two.

Today (edit: and tomorrow) fifty-seven more come out.  Two dead already.  This is an astonishing operational tempo, especially for the dread pilots.  Especially when you have to keep a large reserve at any given time for counter-hot-dropping any interlopers who show up.

[Endie]

It's difficult to get a full picture from work, using the EveMap program to check individual systems before sov sites update, but it seems that Kenny and Barbie have now lost sov in the majority of Querious station systems.  They have also lost sov in several Delve station systems, including 5-6Q, MO- and 5BTK-.  These have gone neutral.  5-6Q should swap to PL soon, whereas the other two will take a week since they were 100% towered by Kenny until yesterday, so our towers can only start to claim at downtime (I suspect we killed a tower or two before yesterday's DT, so it may be five or six more DTs vOv.

Of the 20 (non-NPC) station systems in Delve, I think that 11 are now either ours or will be ours if nothing changes.  Several others either have all Kenny towers 100% reinforced, like NOL, or sufficient numbers reinforced for them to go our way.  This isn't bad since I think that the very earliest that we could, theoretically, take any system in Delve is only four downtimes ago.

Worth noting that a bunch of R64 moons are now generating ISK for us.

[amiable]

We killed all the towers that came out yesterday.  All forty-two.

Today (edit: and tomorrow) fifty-seven more come out.  Two dead already.  This is an astonishing operational tempo, especially for the dread pilots.   Especially when you have to keep a large reserve at any given time for counter-hot-dropping any interlopers who show up.

This needs to be emphasized.  For all of the work of the combat pilots (I know *goons are terrible*) the real heroes of this campaign (at least for the goons) are the logistics folks.  They are trying to complete the work Bob has spent years doing in Delve in the space of a few weeks.  Hats off to them.  In addition they are coordinating jumps, getting folks to the front, timing everything.  It's pretty incredible.

[Sir T]

Since we are having a bit much of one side lets heard from the other side - Sacul from SHC (where Kenny posts have been dwindling rapidly of late)

I will reply to it nonetheless as there are probably more people thinking the same.

The USA had a bank holiday monday and that results in half of goonfleet being pilled up in pr- and active for any action needed. BoB (GKC) being mostly EU was at work as normal. I dont think pr- dropped below 300 enemies.

Now what i personally feared happened. A day after the order was given to all base from PR- that system gets completely locked down and dozens of bubbles are anchored at the station, all posses and all gates.

This is what you do if you want to completely immobilize a enemy. Its smart, it makes sense. Dont go frothing at the mouth and see the death of a alliance when they dont form a counter fleet against your pos shooting squads. The two are related and not seperate.

We will see what happens tuesday when both sides are on normal workday terms. But the odds are in favour for our enemies in every way at this moment.
It was expected we would lose a big chunk of the stations but damn its going fast now. NC is sieging multiple systems at the same time without a support fleet for the caps in some systems. I assume completely confident that if they come under fire a rescue fleet will be there in 1 siege cycle (and rightfully so atm).

I completely understand it must be epic for goons what is happening now and they must feel they are dancing on our graves now but this fight isnt over by a long shot.
The current situation we are in is because of one person killing Band of Brother alliance not some strategic mastermind or a briliantly executed campaign.

More fights after work, its eve heaven for me.

[slog]

He's got some good points.  Monday could have been an aberration.  What's happening today in PR-?

[Murgos]

The current situation we are in is because of one person killing Band of Brother alliance not some strategic mastermind or a briliantly executed campaign.

Kenny would certainly like to think this.  The truth is though that being able to move with the speed GF & Co. did into Kenny's space, moving mountains of logistics quickly and efficiently enough to support the engagement and organizing and maintaining a near around the clock effective op tempo on top of all the disruption actually speaks to a rather brilliant level of communication, organization, morale and leadership.

Sure, the opening gambit was a fluke but being able to capitalize on the opportunity only comes at the end of a lot of hard work and effort.

[Goumindong]

He's got some good points.  Monday could have been an aberration.  What's happening today in PR-?

Not sure, but this is my estimation of it

"We're getting wasted, but don't worry, we will continue the fight from NPC space!"

Yea, just like everyone else who has made the claim that they would survive moving to empire, they won't. Their members will move on.

[Sir T]

He's got some good points.  Monday could have been an aberration.  What's happening today in PR-?

Short Version, every single tower that has come out so far today is dead.

Kenny had a breakout op formed for 15:00 eve time but they haven't been able to move so far. They have some numbers in system but all they have been able to get out is small ships. They have people logging into poses and getting stuck.

{edit} Local hostile numbers are starting to drop now

[trevorreznik]

So there's a really strange rumor about CVA/-A- having a big fight yesterday that prevented -A- from killing or saving some POSes in Tenefiris.  Anyone have more info on this?  There's nothing on killboards at all, and with how bridges and routes work, I'd be surprised if CVA had gone that far out of Providence to shoot at -A-.   There was a fight a few days back in north Catch, but it can't be the one I'd been hearing about.  I'm quite confused :I

[Amarr HM]

Seems UK, CVA's sworn enemy, are renting space from -A- in GE-

[Fordel]

Gotta love those crazy RP'ers 


Side Note: Wasn't BoB fairly notorious for using holidays for their own advantage?

[Simond]

They timed a bunch of ASCN POSes to come out of reinforced on Christmas day, iirc.

[Endie]

So there's a really strange rumor about CVA/-A- having a big fight yesterday that prevented -A- from killing or saving some POSes in Tenefiris.  Anyone have more info on this?  There's nothing on killboards at all, and with how bridges and routes work, I'd be surprised if CVA had gone that far out of Providence to shoot at -A-.   There was a fight a few days back in north Catch, but it can't be the one I'd been hearing about.  I'm quite confused :I

As Pezzle described in this thread, about 10 posts above you, CVA went down to Catch to dispose of some UK POS hardware.  AAA chose to turn up with a gang at one point.

[trevorreznik]

As Pezzle described in this thread, about 10 posts above you, CVA went down to Catch to dispose of some UK POS hardware.  AAA chose to turn up with a gang at one point.

I'm referring to the reports that Atlas had poses coming out in 9-9, and -A- went to rescue them in HACs and was intercepted & destroyed by a CVA gang.  As far as I can tell no such thing ever happened but maybe I'm missing something.

[Thrawn]

I'm referring to the reports that Atlas had poses coming out in 9-9, and -A- went to rescue them in HACs

Rescue from who?

[trevorreznik]

From xdeathx, who apparently blew up atlas poses in several GS systems.  Basically this is pointless since the posts are on goonfleet.com, and there's no substantiating killmails anywhere about any of the info.  Oh well, it's more interesting to me than '30 more poses died in Delve' for the 8th day in a row :p

[Mr. Poppinfresh]

This thread has caused me to download the Eve trial.

Burn in hell, all of you.

[Nevermore]

Wow, it also caused you to register here after how long?

[Mr. Poppinfresh]

Since Waterthread, basically.

Which underlies the degree of temptation I'm facing here.

Fuckers.

[Arthur_Parker]

Cultural Victory. 

[Mr. Poppinfresh]

Cultural Victory. 

I'm trying the game for the first time when I get off work tonight, so your victory might be short-lived when the bad interface and general confusion-bomb rapes my tender hopes and dreams.

[Murgos]

Holy crap, long time no see.  Next thing you know Boog will be trolling gen disc.

[Endie]

OK, in euro prime I moved from our staging system to Kenny's home staging system alone in a sniper BS, and saw nothing but 10-15 friendlies in each system.  I shot a few towers, and toured the bubbled hostile poses with no guns left, the bubbled cages where poses used to be, the bubbled gates and the hyper-bubbled station.  With a couple of hundred people friendlies in the fleet, we have been camping Kenny and Barbie into their staging systems for 48 hours straight (having given them a couple of days to move all their stuff in there).

While the morale effect of this is nice, and the irony of Goons camping ex-Bob into their home station is delicious, the main point is that it lets our dread fleets run around at will, taking out yet more POSes.  And we have taken out a lot.

Kenny needs to either pull a proper red-pen op out of their hat for the weekend, presumably involving AAA/SE/ROL etc, or else face only having four stations out of their twenty left unchallenged.  And the odds on those four still being unreinforced by the weekend if they don't are pretty long.

Also this isn't a saying hi/recruitment thread!

[slog]

Cultural Victory. 

I'm trying the game for the first time when I get off work tonight, so your victory might be short-lived when the bad interface and general confusion-bomb rapes my tender hopes and dreams.

I give him 20 minutes.