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I guess it's possible. I'm sure any decent investigation would show that the two were in cahoots, which might lend credence to that possibility. Not that I give two shits, but that might hurt his draft status more than anything else that's happened considering all the douchenozzle reactions you'd see from other players.
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01101010
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I guess it's possible. I'm sure any decent investigation would show that the two were in cahoots, which might lend credence to that possibility. Not that I give two shits, but that might hurt his draft status more than anything else that's happened considering all the douchenozzle reactions you'd see from other players.
Draft status nothing. Coming out pretty much kills your career chances in the NFL... as sad as that is to say. So yeah, there are HUGE reasons to spin this in the "I was dumb and deceived" light rather than what it is looking like. Then again, who knows. Maybe this guy is the one who starts to change the NFL anti-gay culture. *shrug
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Draft status nothing. Coming out pretty much kills your career chances in the NFL... as sad as that is to say.
Not being snarky, just wondering what evidence you have to back up that statement. I realize the general culture and all but I'm thinking in 2013 if you came out you are more likely to be applauded than booed. Also imagine if any of your prospective team mates made anti-gay comments the PR backlash would be huge. I think a guy like that has more of chance to be this generations Jackie Robinson than a pariah. Also I bet the Patriots would draft him if he was good enough.
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Draft status nothing. Coming out pretty much kills your career chances in the NFL... as sad as that is to say.
Not being snarky, just wondering what evidence you have to back up that statement. I realize the general culture and all but I'm thinking in 2013 if you came out you are more likely to be applauded than booed. Also imagine if any of your prospective team mates made anti-gay comments the PR backlash would be huge. I think a guy like that has more of chance to be this generations Jackie Robinson than a pariah. Also I bet the Patriots would draft him if he was good enough. What evidence? Other than decades and decades of gay players being ostracized and treated badly by their teammates, from youth leagues on up? This is not a controversial statement, there are very few jobs in the country where being gay would cause you as many problems in the workplace as (men's) team sports.
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Draft status nothing. Coming out pretty much kills your career chances in the NFL... as sad as that is to say.
Not being snarky, just wondering what evidence you have to back up that statement. I realize the general culture and all but I'm thinking in 2013 if you came out you are more likely to be applauded than booed. Also imagine if any of your prospective team mates made anti-gay comments the PR backlash would be huge. I think a guy like that has more of chance to be this generations Jackie Robinson than a pariah. Also I bet the Patriots would draft him if he was good enough. There's a reason these guys wait until after they are retired to come out of the closet.
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Read the Jason Taylor article about the shit he did to get in the field. Apply that same macho attitude of "I'm playing Hell or High water" to guys that want to intimidate their opponent on the field. Apply massive doses of HGH. Mix liberally. Then tell me how easy it would be for someone to come out of the closet while playing in the NFL.
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Which is funny because you'd have to imagine that athletes have the same ~4% rate of homosexuality that the rest of society has.
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Which is funny because you'd have to imagine that athletes have the same ~4% rate of homosexuality that the rest of society has.
And there are absolutely gay athletes. They just fear reprisals.
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Which is funny because you'd have to imagine that athletes have the same ~4% rate of homosexuality that the rest of society has.
Well, not necessarily. You can assume that a fairly large chunk of gay people* are weeded out of the game by hazing or bullying or just the general anti-gay culture at lower levels, which would naturally leave professional level athletes with a lower percentage. And of course, a high degree of 'hell NO I'm not going to come out, I saw what happened to the other guys who did/got found out.' *Gay men, anyway. My non-scientific anecdotal observation is that team athletics actually attract MORE lesbians than are in the general population as a percentage, probably because women athletes get the same 'you are being unladylike, stop it' treatment from society that lesbians do a lot of the time, so it becomes a way for them to blend in, find each other, and just generally have a positive group experience that they probably get shut out of in other contexts a lot. Note: I could be talking out of my ass here, but it seems to make sense.
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*Gay men, anyway. My non-scientific anecdotal observation is that team athletics actually attract MORE lesbians than are in the general population as a percentage, probably because women athletes get the same 'you are being unladylike, stop it' treatment from society that lesbians do a lot of the time, so it becomes a way for them to blend in, find each other, and just generally have a positive group experience that they probably get shut out of in other contexts a lot. Note: I could be talking out of my ass here, but it seems to make sense.
Having gone to the women's superbowl back in August, and hanging out with those girls on several teams... this is not that far off.
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There certainly would be some self-selection bias in the groups of athletes that you wouldn't find in a random population, but to think that there aren't gay NFL players just because they aren't outed is unlikely.
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Oh certainly, I wasn't intending to imply there weren't.
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32 kickers- good place to start
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32 kickers- good place to start Also, punters.
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If my gay friends are any indication, I would say the ones who put shirtless pictures of themselves up everywhere on the Internet that they can find an excuse to would be the best starting place.
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Well, not necessarily. You can assume that a fairly large chunk of gay people* are weeded out of the game by hazing or bullying or just the general anti-gay culture at lower levels, which would naturally leave professional level athletes with a lower percentage. And of course, a high degree of 'hell NO I'm not going to come out, I saw what happened to the other guys who did/got found out.'
*Gay men, anyway. My non-scientific anecdotal observation is that team athletics actually attract MORE lesbians than are in the general population as a percentage, probably because women athletes get the same 'you are being unladylike, stop it' treatment from society that lesbians do a lot of the time, so it becomes a way for them to blend in, find each other, and just generally have a positive group experience that they probably get shut out of in other contexts a lot. Note: I could be talking out of my ass here, but it seems to make sense.
Yeah, I don't assume that at all. Why? Because most of my gay friends are accustomed to being hazed and bullied if they're out or are afraid of being hazed and bullied if they aren't in respect to all aspects of life. It's still pretty tough being gay. And because of that I assume that there are plenty of athletes in the big leagues that have kept it hidden just like everyone else.
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OK, sure, the % of any given sub-group is going to be the same in any and all walks of life, regardless of external circumstances or pressures.
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OK, sure, the % of any given sub-group is going to be the same in any and all walks of life, regardless of external circumstances or pressures. You're stereotyping and have no real evidence to contradict known statistical figures.
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Except that what he is saying makes perfect sense, both in regards to male and female sports.
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OK, sure, the % of any given sub-group is going to be the same in any and all walks of life, regardless of external circumstances or pressures. You're stereotyping and have no real evidence to contradict known statistical figures. Aren't we all kind of stereotyping based on being straight males AND having no statistical figures to draw any conclusions from?
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Yep everyone is just guessing and pulling figures out of their asses. It's statistical ass-play.
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That's the only kind accountants can get into.
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We Excel at it.
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We Excel at it.
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OK, sure, the % of any given sub-group is going to be the same in any and all walks of life, regardless of external circumstances or pressures. You're stereotyping and have no real evidence to contradict known statistical figures. Aren't we all kind of stereotyping based on being straight males AND having no statistical figures to draw any conclusions from? No. We're speculating. And at least in my case, extrapolating from how I've seen gay people treated in group environments allegedly much more accepting than sports (music, gaming, even theater sometimes), and the sort of way I've seen non-gay (but also non-athlete) people treated by athletes in a group environment. I'm very comfortable with the hypothesis I've reached.
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Also nearly guaranteed to be looking for a new team soon, I expect.
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It is common. That's why guys like Teo have to lie their asses off so their relationships never come out while they can still play.
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The particular market he plays in combined with the fact that he's not a starter but could have been in line for a starting job in the future if he kept his mouth shut adds a couple extra magnitudes of moron onto this particular incident.
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The particular market he plays in combined with the fact that he's not a starter but could have been in line for a starting job in the future if he kept his mouth shut adds a couple extra magnitudes of moron onto this particular incident.
Yeah SF, Miami, Atlanta, NYC, Houston, Seattle, Boston. The comments wouldn't do well in those markets.
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European sport is a cesspool of cheating and lack of integrity. Top level European football matches under investigation for being fixed. A total of 380 games in Europe -- including World Cup and European Championship qualifiers -- have been deemed suspicious, with 425 match and club officials and criminals involved from 15 different countries. I have a suspicion that PEDs are probably rampant in the football leagues across the world. It's tough to see what is going on with cycling and American baseball and think that it wouldn't be, what with all the money that is at stake.
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sport is a cesspool of cheating and lack of integrity.
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Hell, after the 2006 World Cup, three Italian club teams, and I mean TOP LEVEL teams like Juventus, were punished by their FA for match-fixing scandals. Juventus even ended up getting relegated to the second division for it, though they were back in the Serie A a season later having won promotion easily. So... not shocking.
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