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kaid
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Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.
However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.
Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women. I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her.
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Riggswolfe
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Yes, I got that. Which is what made her lack of awareness of her own sexual charisma even more baffling when thinking about it. Assume it's only self-pleasure that's the line is referring to. You're saying, yep everyone only masturbates so they're not attracted to other women and wouldn't have any awareness of their own sexual charisma and lack lust.
However we all know it's a wink and a nod to lesbianism and bisexuality. Which makes her lack of awareness just a scriptwriter throwing in a, "heh, lesbians," joke without considering the implications of the line. That makes it pretty patriarchal and separate from the interpretation of those who have latched onto it as a "go girl" moment. Wonder Woman isn't aware of her own sexuality until Rodgers brings it out of her, since she's obviously aware of it in BvS and uses it there.
Well you have to consider she is a beautiful woman from an island of beautiful women. I am not sure how a society like that would handle sexual charisma if at all. Also she was basically the only child on the island and everybody there saw her grow up. I am sure that probably had a fair amount of impact on how others interacted with her. It's pretty clear that the higher ups on the island know who and what she is. And from the way it is played, I think a lot of the Amazons equally worshipped and feared her. Just watch the training sequence. I doubt any of them laid a finger on her for fear of what the Queen would do combined with the knowledge that she was basically alive purely to stop Ares.
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Samwise
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I thought this movie was decent. I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.
Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?
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SurfD
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The battleship appeared to be sinking, or at least listing very heavily to one side, so it is possible it either hit an undewater rock, or that crossing the barrier protecting Themiscrya did something to it.
As to the end:
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jgsugden
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Ares is one war God. There are others.
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Samwise
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Is/was there a Kryptonian Ares that made Zod into an asshole?
I just have so many problems with this entire premise. The movie was still fun though.
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Sir T
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Ares was a long time WoWo comic book foe.
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Samwise
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It makes sense if he's a recurring behind-the-scenes villain who various wars and atrocities can be blamed on when the need arises, but if he's the ultimate source of all evil in the world and you kill him, you kind of have a problem telling any more stories after that.
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HaemishM
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The point they made was that he WASN'T the source of all mankind's evil, nor even of the war itself. He stokes the flames, he massages it here and there, but just getting rid of Ares wont end all wars because the problem is with mankind. I do think his defeat might have released some of the natural aggression he causes in those around him, and the Germans hugging the Americans at the end was meant to be a sign of that. That part of it even made me blink a little in the theater, it took me out of the movie immediately.
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They also just watched two gods go at it, so maybe they were all just like "holy fuck dudes why are we messing around".
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Lakov_Sanite
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They also showed those German soldiers to be basically kids, fighting a war they probably wanted no part of. Whether historically accurate or not, I did get where they were going with it but really my biggest problem was the ending slugfest with british Ares, just seemed poorly implemented plus Area escaping without the fight and having her fight be with something else would have set up a sequel better.
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jgsugden
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If you take the view that Ares can cause War, but is not the source of all war, then the story works just fine. Under that view, Ares inflamed the Germans to war in this version of World War 1, but when he was lost the Germans lost the inflammation he was bringing. It was sloppy, but so much In these superhero movies ends up needing a sloppy answer to wrap it up within a reasonable time.
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This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.
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Lakov_Sanite
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This movie had great direction and a good script. But the story board sucked balls. This is a horrible jumping point for any future wonder woman movies.
I'm pretty sure they made the movie thinking a sequel wasn't even a possibility, it seems very self contained.
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Yep, it was meant as a 'shut the fuck up,' one-off to appease the public complaining that only Bats and Supes got movies. It did far better than it was expected to. Oops.
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Trippy
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And WB screwed themselves by not signing Jenkins to a multi-film contract because of that.
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Sir T
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Which means if they go crawling to her with an "um... Sequel?" offer she will be much more bullish about control over the movie. Whether WB will stand for that is a good question.
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HaemishM
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WB might as well point a shotgun directly into their collective faces if they don't sign Patty Jenkins up to direct at least one sequel. I mean, it's a fucking no-brainer after the success of the movie.
I expect they'll sign Michael Bay or McG to direct it any day now.
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Sir T
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What's Uwe Boll doing these days?
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kaid
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I thought this movie was decent. I'm very confused about something that happens toward the end and need someone to explain it to me.
Also what happened to the battleship after that beach scene?
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jgsugden
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2020 will be the year I gave up all hope.
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Ironwood
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I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait. The answer may surprise you !
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HaemishM
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Ahhh, I didn't mind the clickbait, as that's a pretty interesting Easter Egg (to me at least).
Here's hoping we get
in later movies.
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jgsugden
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I question what would happen if you weren't here to post clickbait. The answer may surprise you !
If I were not here to post? Then it would be: F13.Net Cynical Commentary
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Ironwood
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Ha.
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I would happily worship Gal Gadot as a goddess.
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