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Lakov_Sanite
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The woman at the end is without a doubt the master, if you replaced it with the old actor who played him you'd see the same manic behavior and obession with the doctor.
That's interesting. She referred to the doctor as her boyfriend so I assumed she was some manifestation of the tardis. They had a bit of a bromance thing going on in their last episode together. "you are so beautiful, we could travel the universe together" or something something. The master coming back as some sort of twisted love angle works for me, it's almost a trope of the villain falling in love with the hero in that bizarre batman/joker way. They could fuck it up royally but it's got potential.
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Khaldun
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I've been burned before when I thought they were setting up a call-back to older elements in the series, and Moffat in particular seems more fond just of references to his own work than to anything else. But he did bring back the Great Intelligence, so who knows.
Here you have a character who is specifically knowledgeable about the Doctor, so it almost can't be someone completely new.
Master = Mistress = Missy is something lots of folks have already noticed.
River Song (please god, no) w/the boyfriend thing.
Both are characters who have plausible mechanisms for altering their appearances.
Other Time Lords? The Rani is a stupid character, so let's hope not. Rassilon or Borusa or something like that? Doesn't seem like Moffat's kind of thing.
Romana? Sort of hope not, would be nasty to reintroduce her as a villain.
One of the Sisterhood of Karn? Well, Moffat's at least been willing to reintroduce them.
Any old villains who have a thing about capturing the dead? Or who operate out of another dimension? Maybe Omega has traded in the big voice and weird mask for a Victorian nanny's outfit.
Can't really think of anything else that's strictly nuWho that would make much sense.
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palmer_eldritch
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I'd quite like a big bad whose motivation has nothing to do with being The Doctor's former girlfriend/boyfriend/companion/TARDIS/arch-enemy or whatever and actually has some sort of life of their own beyond obsessing about him. A strong desire to rule and/or destroy the universe would do fine.
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Ironwood
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Oh, and all joking aside, I really, really don't like the new TARDIS.
You can write little joke lines about the round things as much as you want, mate, but the TARDIS needs more round things.
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Bunk
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I'm assuming the "hold your breath" is a setup for something in a later episode, because otherwise it was completely useless. The phone call was probably some kind of attempt to get "regeneration" across to the newer fans who don't remember anyone but Matt Smith in the role.
--Dave
My thought was that the entire convoluted hold your breath thing was there just so that Moffatt could insert that cliché Action Movie scene of "I'll breath for you!" between the two girls. There seemed to be an underlying theme in the episode of "look how awesome I can write lesbians as if they were straight! Rawr!". I don't mind that idea at all, but how many times did she state they were married? Six? Moffatt will never learn the effectiveness of subtlety.
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Khaldun
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Yes, it was very much "straight men love to write lesbians who talk about how they're lesbians a lot". Which is better than "no one is gay in this universe" but it isn't exactly "ok, everything's just fine here now, thank you."
I would love a villain whose motivation is:
a) serious b) interesting c) doesn't involve destroying or ruling over all Creation d) isn't so petty that it makes no sense for the Doctor to be matched up against him/her e) is a match for the Doctor in some important respect: personal power, smarts, control over resources, self-awareness
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Strax is, I think, an unconscious representation of Moffat himself. He's an incompetent idiot who thinks he's actually superior to everyone around him. And he doesn't understand what women are at all.
Capaldi was pretty good and yeah, the alley scene was the best bit. A lot of the rest of it, particularly the opening stuff with the dinosaur, looked really low budget.
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Moffat doesn't trust the gigglesquee tweenies to keep watching now that the Doctor isn't young. He's not wrong. He lost both my daughter and my wife in the first five minutes. Smith was their first doctor. A bunch of the one-liners later caught their attention, but they definitely were not as into it.
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Surlyboi
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Moffat doesn't trust the gigglesquee tweenies to keep watching now that the Doctor isn't young. He's not wrong. He lost both my daughter and my wife in the first five minutes. Smith was their first doctor. A bunch of the one-liners later caught their attention, but they definitely were not as into it. Pretty much. I wrote a really long screed on the bookface to all the bandwagon Who fans that have been shitting up my timeline about Clara and that phone call at the end and "why'd they have to bring Matt back only to take him away again!" Clara is you, you whiny bitches.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Ironwood
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lol.
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Lakov_Sanite
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lol.
Now watch ratings tank Capaldi get the axe Thousands of twilight who fans say "well 'I' thought he was ok" New hunk gets lead
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satael
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I enjoyed the episode up until Matt Smith showed up which kind of marked the point where it fell flat down for me (but luckily that was at the end of the episode so it didn't ruin it for me). The best I could describe it until that point was it felt fun which might be due to me lately watching too many series that took themselves too seriously.
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Lakov_Sanite
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I enjoyed the episode up until Matt Smith showed up which kind of marked the point where it fell flat down for me (but luckily that was at the end of the episode so it didn't ruin it for me). The best I could describe it until that point was it felt fun which might be due to me lately watching too many series that took themselves too seriously. I didn't like the call specifically but I thought the last bit at the end was fine and light enough. The hug made me laugh.
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tazelbain
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I would set up the Clone-daughter as opposition who thinks her Dad is too soft-hearted so she is going to set universe right with indirect harsh tactics. I feel most of his opposition contrasts too much with him. He needs a opponent that is intellectually and morally challenging. Its just too easy to beat up on space nazis.
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Raph
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Clara is you, you whiny bitches.
I actually said that, in a gentler manner, to my family while we watched. :)
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Ironwood
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Some context as to what you're on about ?
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Setanta
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As someone who has watched Dr Who from Jon Pertwee onwards... "god damn that was boring as all hell".
Actually, I lie - I lasted 2 episodes of Matt Smith and gave up on it all.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Kindly put your dick back in your pants, there are ladies present.
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HaemishM
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I liked it well enough. Best parts were Capaldi being allowed to Capaldi it up. Worst parts were the phone call and Clara's reaction to him being old. I too thought that of anyone, she should understand the regeneration part the most, what with having seen ALL THE FUCKING DOCTORS IN EVER.
Somebody just needs to write a plot and make Moffat write the dialogue. He's good at that. Plots? Not so fucking much.
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Merusk
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Very relevant. http://www.cracked.com/video_19026_its-time-to-retire-doctor-who.htmlBest line, "You're a conspicuous and desperate bid for fandom. You assume having all the right ingredients is the same as making something from them." He's speaking to the show as a whole, but that points right at the main guy who doesn't fucking get it; Moffatt.
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Ironwood
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palmer_eldritch
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The first half or so of the latest one (Into the Dalek) was brilliant. Great dialogue, they introduced Clara's new friend well and I'm enjoying Capaldi's performance even more than I thought I would.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Very relevant. http://www.cracked.com/video_19026_its-time-to-retire-doctor-who.htmlBest line, "You're a conspicuous and desperate bid for fandom. You assume having all the right ingredients is the same as making something from them." He's speaking to the show as a whole, but that points right at the main guy who doesn't fucking get it; Moffatt. So basically "show that is more popular now than it's ever been" should pack it in because what...reasons? I can understand things go from cool into "cool to hate on" but really? Also craxked.com's entire philosophy is about making half-assed articles with sensational headlines to get click throughs.
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Surlyboi
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"She's my carer, she cares so I don't have to..."
As for the Cracked article, he's speaking to the Moffatry for the most part and while I don't agree with it all, I agree with some of it. Don't fucking revel in the "Wizard did it", rise the fuck above it.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Khaldun
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I thought that was the best the show's been in a long time, actually. ("Into the Dalek").
Also, you know how people say, "Oh, Smith is a bit of Troughton and a bit of this and bit of that guy"?
Capaldi is Capaldi. He's recognizably the Doctor but he's not riffing off of or quoting or redoing anybody else. He's doing his own thing.
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Ironwood
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That was.... kinda a good episode.
It's still too Moffat for me to like, but the actual lines and delivery was very good. Capaldi is, as expected, really hitting the role for me, though you should bear in mind that I didn't have a problem with Smith at all either.
However :
Once again, we've just stolen a movie and put it in an episode. Once again, we have this Missy woman that's nonsense and doing the 'ARCY' thing. Give it a fucking rest. We also have OMG Coincidences that I Just Can't Ignore because I wonder if they'll be MOFFATTED. "That's funny, I just met another soldier with a name that's a colour!" FORESHADOWING OR JUST STUPID DIALOGUE ?? Once again, we're fucking about with known continuity, "Sorry, it's a shame you're a soldier because I don't take soldier companions, except, you know for the three or four that I did take that were soldiers" Once again, you KNOW that Moffat has made one of his 'bunch' and that we WILL see Rusty the Dalek again. Oh Gods.
Anyway, good episode if you can ignore all that.
And I know that you guys can. It's me that's insane.
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Setanta
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Capaldi is Capaldi. He's recognizably the Doctor but he's not riffing off of or quoting or redoing anybody else. He's doing his own thing.
Sad thing is, Capaldi reminds me of Peter Cushing playing the Doctor in the 2 films, with a bit of William Hartnell thrown in. :D
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Ironwood
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There's a lot of Tom in there too, when Tom was being arrogant bad Tom. Same with Hartnell.
But you can see glimpses, but he's mostly his own chap.
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Khaldun
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I sort of thought the "I don't do soldiers" was the Doctor still feeling bad (maybe bad all over again) for having been such an effective soldier himself in the Time War. So different than for Doctors #1-7. After all he had his nose rubbed in it when he tried to just think happy thoughts about how beautiful the universe is and he couldn't pull it off.
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It doesn't matter how you rationalise it, really, it's the Doc being prejudiced against soldiers and it doesn't wash. He's always been prickly about them and guns, but he has enough experience to KNOW different.
It didn't stand up to me.
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I thought the episode was ok, but it retread a lot of the same well-worn ground as some previous Dalek episodes (that the Doctor hates Daleks so much that his desire to kill them all is almost Dalek-like).
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Khaldun
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The soldier thing was certainly Moffat working overtime to find something that the Doctor can experience character movement over during this season, sure.
I'd almost rather he decide that there's nothing particularly wrong with wanting to destroy evil creatures who've very nearly destroyed all of Creation on several occasions. Which might make a good segue to introducing some other kind of enemy for him. What if he came up against "enlightened conquerors", for example--fairly refined imperialists who don't want to kill or exterminate everything but who corrupt and insinuate and steal what's good and interesting in other cultures? Or something like the Doctor Who equivalent of the Dominion--a multispecies society held together through terror and intimidation.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Regarding missy: I think series long arcs are fine when they are remotely interesting. The whole cracks in time and trenzalor stuff was just boring and took all the threat away from each episode because the characters were always focused on the bigger picture. Here you have an obvious villain bring villainously polite but not only is it small but the doctor is not privy to it so the episodes still stand on their own merits while we wet our beaks on what could be an interesting future story.
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Ironwood
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Except it's not going to be. It's going to be dull and retarded.
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