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So my roommate and I are considering trying out playing on a PVP server. I was wondering how many people here are playing PVP, if so how is it, and does anyone have a guild that would be possible to join if we do decide to stay on.

Basically we both liked the old days of UO pre trammel, and are hoping that a PVP server might have the same sort of feel. Any info would be great.

Im on the RP-PvP server Cimmeria, and you are welcome to join us.

The feel is basically, untrusting. Sometimes I team up with random people just to avoid getting ganked. Sometimes I have great fights in the world one on one. Sometimes I get steam rolled by a group. Generally, more fun comes from it than grief...some might disagree but I'm an old pro and figured out long ago that there are strength in numbers and levels can sometimes be evened out by smart fighting, ambushing, and proper use of skills.

The nice part is even in the world there are instances, and many times if you get to the point of 'meh I cant be arsed to fight these guys again' you can select a different instance. The only thing its missing is item loot, but oh well.

My roommate and I rolled on Cimmeria to check it out. So far I have been killed twice, both times by assassins. Getting killed doesnt really bother me, cause you just respawn pretty close.

I am planning to get to 20 and then see how it is in the "real world".

Cool man, lemme know names and i'll hit ya up

I am also on this server.

I'm on this server too. The PVP feels like a FPS because dieing really doesn't mean anything. There is no incentive to gank other people (other than they did something to piss you off). Assassins think they are really funny when they two shot you from behind. Karma is a bitch when they are trying to level and you hunt them down though.

It really should have full loot because the loot is so limited in what attributes it gives you. There should be a vengeance list too because I can't be arsed to remember every jack hole that has ganked me. Sometimes I don't even see who it was.

I might try a PvP server at some point, too.  I plan to go wherever The Regulators aren't.

Ingame name?

MBW, me and my friends on that server are:

Me: Morv - Barb

Zulj - Bear Shammy
Wyte - ToS

k, ill add you to friends list.

Who?

Krakrok. I'm in a friend's guild.

MBW, do you have a guild over there? Strength in numbers and all that.

Slayer does, I currently do not ATM. About 4-5 of my friends are also on this server, and we are all unguided. They are waiting for some dude or something...any longer, and i will be joining slayer. Only reason i have not, is they are IRL friends, and we play on a LAN often, so i want to of course stick with them.

But i will group with any of you guys at anytime, and if i add you to my friends list, ill make sure not to spill AOE death near you and capture your soul  :grin:

I am still undecided about what class to play. I have fun playing the Barb, but they are everywhere. I really like the theory of the HoX but they are so tough at lower levels, I do think they will get very badass in the end game. I might have to roll another HoX on Cimmeria.

You remember them from SB.  The Regulators, DDH, Sinister, R30s, Bashi, and all that rubbish.  Well, it's just one bloke who posted on the AoC Offal Forums who pissed me off this time with some lame nasty post about how married people shouldn't play MMOs.  It was stupid, and he was stupid and it annoyed me during a day when I'm already in a really Really REALLY bad mood.  I can't remember his name but if I ever meet him IRL I'm planning on stabbing him in the face 647 times for irritating me.  At least.

Well, I am sure they probably went to Deathwhisper or Tyranny, as those are considered the h4rdc0re PVP servers. You can come try PVP with us on the RP-PVP server if you want. Although Schild will probably send you mean IMs if you do.

 :grin:

I have open character slots!  I can type on two servers at once because I'm ambitextrous!

Yeah that thread pissed me off as well.  Cos the game was down I even replied in it... :/

That comma is hiding something very subliminal or a very big freudian slip.

We've got a decent sized guild going now, vent and forums. Should be involved in endgame sieging/gank wars :) We are keeping a KOS list on the forums to help keep it in order. PM me if you want the info.

I'd advise a strong amount of caution towards anyone thinking of playing a HoX on a pvp server. They've got a bad case of glass cannon syndrome, without the stealth or mezzes of many of the other professions to get them out of tight situations. However, if you're planning on being super-aggressive, it's a much more viable class - the key to survival seems to be popping into Avatar and shadow stepping into the enemy group before anyone knows what's going on.

Due to some strange errors, I can't log into the Funcom forums to check out what the consensus on the class is as of yet, but by the lack of other HoX's I see on Cimmeria i'm guessing they're not considered too highly at present.

Could you please quotify the gist of it? EU account here.

 :grin:


NO!

Sorry. :cry:

Hi.  Long time listener, first time poster...(yeah, i know i'm stupid)  A friend of mine and I have gotten a little bored of the PVE servers and have made characters on the RP-PVP server (Cimmeria).   

For those of you on this server, how have you been finding it?  I've heard there aren't a ton of cases of camping and ganking, but how is the community on the server?

Edit: b/c i can't spell...

Been fun for me so far, I get some RP-lite sometimes when fighting people...server seems pretty decent.

For the guy saying HoX sucks, its only true if you don't have me healing him. My friend is one and is a beast with his DPS.

good to know.  I'll have to keep an eye out.

I am having a blast. I find the ooc community to be pretty much the same as every other barrens chat, but other than that, its great. I haven't been ganked very much at all. Mostly people leave you alone. One time so far have I had people try and camp me at the spawn point, and they failed.
I started a big war in Tesso last night, it was great. Some Barb was trying to gank people in town, so I killed him, and then went and pretended to be AFK, so the barb attacked me, what he didnt notice was that I was standing right next to a guard. The whole town errupted in to violence, and it was great.

My only real regret is that I wasted enough time to get 2 level 20 characters on a PVE server first.

I can 100% endorse the RP-PVP server.

Oh yeah, also its funny but I have been running in to all kinds of old school gamers. UDL (Undead Lords), WoH (a guild I started in 1996), and a few others I cant think of now.

This game is MUCH less fun for me now that they added global chat channels. In fact I am seriously considering switching to a PvP server so that I can kill them.

Can you just turn it off? mine got a lot better when i started ignoring every single person that talked in them.

You guys don't have a window that has "Guild, Tells, Party, Say" on only?

I rolled on Deathwhisper at launch. Things to consider when on a PvP server:

1) Kill everyone you see. If you do not, they will kill you.
2) Gaining levels will take much longer, due to ganking, camping.
3) Do not try to read any quest text at all. Click 1 until your journal is updated or you will be killed.
4) Do not try to pick your quest reward while at the NPC, you will be killed.
5) Do not team with anyone outside your guild. If you do, you will be summoned, kicked, killed.
6) If you get killed, you will be killed.

Other than that, there are perks, like being able to kill the asshat from general chat like Lum mentioned, or killing the person in the area you need to be in for a quest rather than wait for respawn of the mobs they get to before you.

This is why I refused to move to Deathwhisper with a friend of mine. I am on Cimmeria, and it is nothing like that. This is how Cimmeria differs from your points.

1) Kill everyone you see. If you do not, they will kill you.
Nope. Not on Cimmeria. Lots of people running around and leave you alone. I have been attacked maybe 3 times total out in the wilds while questing, and I am level 35 on my highest.

2) Gaining levels will take much longer, due to ganking, camping.
Not on Cimmeria. Yeah, it will take a slight amount of time longer. But usually its because I got caught up in a fun fight right outside of town, and decided to hang around for more PVP fun.

3) Do not try to read any quest text at all. Click 1 until your journal is updated or you will be killed.
I have not had a single person attack me while reading quest text. Not one. Even out in the wild.

4) Do not try to pick your quest reward while at the NPC, you will be killed.
Same as above. Not one time.

5) Do not team with anyone outside your guild. If you do, you will be summoned, kicked, killed.
Again, nope. I have grouped with quite a few people and it has always been a fun and positive experience.

6) If you get killed, you will be killed.
Do you mean camped? I have had a total of 2 people try and res camp me. One I turned around and killed. The other time I just changed instances.

These are the reasons why I chose RP-PVP over the h4rdc0re PVP l33t server that is Deathwhisper. I dont plan to RP, but the general feel of the server is much better.

I'm new enough into Live that I wouldn't mind switching. However, BC seems pretty invested on Zug with the City and all. I'd go if a mass of people followed, but still as a Demonologist which probably still means wtfowned, except by ArePee'ers :-)

I'm really enjoying Cimmeria so far, 21 PoM, only been "ganked" once while reading quest text in khopseh province, had a few fun fights on white sands.

Lum, you have instant access to me/Nerf/ Morfiend's guild, being the legend you are. :) Roll on Cimmeria !!!

Ok, some more Cimmeria impressions.

My old school buddy of mine from Shadowbane have a new system when running around. We basically hit random people one time with white damage swing. I prefer the overhand smash. The person then has a few options:

1. Run away, go about your business.

2. Stand and fight, and die.

3. Stand and fight, and die. Then call friends.

4. Stand and fight, and die. Then watch other similar low level guys start ganging up to kill me. There is something that happens in this game I've never seen before, a type of....forgive me for saying it, player justice. Sometimes I'll be finishing a fight with one of our KOS guilds (Murder Herd) and some other guys his level assume I am ganking him. They try to help him out. More noobs see the fun and jump in to get a piece of the level 42 'ganker'. I was fighting 5 guys earlier...a 34 and a guild "Silverwolf Clan" with four lvl 20-29s - was a fuckin riot, and they eventually took me down.


Outside Tesso is friggin great. I highly recommend it.

I'm temptred to try a euro rp-pvp server now. I wouldnt last 30 seconds with my crappy "will obey commands of I feel like it" play experiance. but might be amusing.

By old eve mates told me that they were in a quest and these guys came up tot hem and they though they were about to be attacked. Then they got a messege "we have no beef with you guys. we just want to gank that clown over there!" "Fair enough!" And they were laughing about it over TS

Goddamit I'm still totally pissed I cant play on US servers...

My friend an i have been duoing a bit in the starting area.  Only got ganked once...which led to me accidentally killing someone else that looked like him in retribution.  I felt kinda bad. 

I do love that slight pause when 2 groups run into each other and are sizing each other up to see if someone is going to attack.  Instead of hitting a little white damage, we like to Cast up our Hots.  Just in case its business time...usually they see 2 of us casting and run like hell. 

Oh, yea, when is Cimmeria's peak population? As in, is it local EU or local US or in the middle? I hate empty servers and I'm east coast U.S.

It always seems plenty populated...I'm in eastern time zone as well.

You guys have a guild up yet? Damn you for tempting me to make an alt :-) Maybe this time it'll be a Bear Shaman. PoM and ToS are too op'd for me to jump in front of the inevitable nerf train.

Yeah, I have a guild up with friends from SB/SWG/WOW/PS and a few guys around here.

I Have a bunch of almost level 20s on zug but have recently decided to try out PVP for the first time, I rolled a barb on Cimmeria.

My barb is 14 and looking for some people interested in showing a new pvper the ropes. Ive had a ton of fun in white sands. Especailly when i whispered to this cimmerian ranger that there were a ton of stygians defiling our lands with their talk of Set...............soon all of white sands was a battlefield...........good to know nobody likes stygians!

I got a laugh outta the term "Stygger" that someone called me the other day... heh

I rolled a PoM on Cimmeria. Going to blow through the Destiny stuff to 14, probably by tomorrow night. Talrastra. Even if they nerf what the class can do later, I still like the core concept.

Who can I look up to add to my friends list. I'm lonely  :grin:

Nerf = Nerf
Nurull = Morfiend
Harbodus / Slayerik = Me
Trucegore = MrBloodworth

Thanks.

Does the INI file edit not work?  (I'm not sure where it is, but supposedly that lets you play on either side of the pond.)

Three of us (possibly 4) are going to be rolling on Cimmeria. How does AoE damage work? Basically, you hurt everyone that's not in your group or guild? What about people on your friends list?

Group = No AE damage.
Guild = Take Damage
Friends = Take damage
Random lowbie = Take damage

If you AE you will hit ANYONE in the area that is not in your current group.

I've got a 28 dark templar on cimmeria now, and I have to admit it is actually kinda fun.  The fact that you don't even lose your buffs when killed in PvP is interesting.  I spent like 15 levels paranoid of using food until I figured that out.

I'm in agreement.  Currently have a 27 / 28 Guardian on Cimmeria with our guild.  But aside from stupid ganking, the feel is OK.  I am having such a fun fucking time swinging a sword.

BTW, does your guild have an architect? I am so fucking, fucking hard for that tradeskill for no obvious reason.  I just like building shit.

I actually liked the random ganking I've seen so far. After years of PvE-mostly, walking into adventure zones where everyone's name is red and can be attacked reminds me of my earliest days.

But this is still when I'm in the late teens with "gankers" being defined as level 23ers with nothing better to do :-)

Goddamnit. Fine. I'll try Cimmeria. I miss DAoC RvR like you wouldn't believe. And considering that's not set up in AoC yet, I guess this is the next best thing (or at least we'll see if it is). Besides, I played on an RP server in DAoC, so what you're saying is double plus good.

So if I roll a ToS and start ganking people while they receive quests I'll have no competition?

I play on Shadowblade, and even though it's not a RP-PVP server, I find that so far things are similar to Morfiend's assessment here.  The PvP so far has been almost magically free of griefing, and has pretty much only added interest to my gameplay so far, never detracted.  I'm very happy I went PvP, so far at least.

I like killing people who act like its not a free for all pvp server and think they can be idiots.  A ranger five levels below me shot a boss/quest mob after i had cleared the whole camp right before i engaged it earlier like this was wow or something, me and big bad quest mob tag teamed his ass then i run off to reset the mob. Or people who just show up and unilateraly decide im a nice guy who will share my camp with them, thats not how it works in hyboria darlings.

Yea, that too. Respect sometimes need to be trained  :drill: I also though like being the guy that outta nowhere says "hey, I see you just escaped a zone I'm sure you were just ganked in, want to group to get revenge". That's as much a surprise for people as getting one-shotted for stealing someone's camp.

Accountability baby!

Stand close, ill protect you sweety  :grin:

(well, untill my necro ass gets two shoted by a ranger)

I ran into a nasty Necro last night, he was 56 and was giving me (51 ToS) and a 50 assassin pubby some problems. I was impressed, he could feed off his pets to stay alive and do enough damage/stuns to me to leave me in bad shape constantly just battling to stay alive. If the assassin I was with had some more experience (as in don't take off running at the first sign of problems, stand and fight and let your healer keep you up) I think we woulda had em, but eventually the 56 called a truce and I accepted.

Is that red name thing in already? I saw a guy on a rez pad this morning with a red name out in White Sands.

Oh, and my Conqueror is 15 on Cimmeria. Athamus. Putting my money where my mouth is and all that.

Everyone is red to you on white sands (unless they are unde like 10 levels then they are white) and any other PVP+ area (most anywhere except major hubs).

If you think you will be sticking with the server, send me a tell on Harbodus or Slayerik. Seems as if there are a good chunk of people starting guys about now, if anyone else is interested now would be the time I imagine.

At this point, I'm in a "we'll see" state of mind. I did like the tiny rush I had seeing that red name, thinking he was some PK guy or some such, and finding a sneaky route to avoid him. Not that I'm afraid of a fight, and he was only 4 levels above me, but I just wanted to get to the Mausoleum, finish up three quests, then log for work.

Anyways, I'm sure it's going to only take one asshat to wake me up from my fun, but you never know. So, I'm giving it a go.

I'll shoot you a tell at some point, for sure. Just getting my feet wet for now.

Two friends and I rolled up chars on Cimmeria. They have a couple level 20s already, while I'm slowly following up with me Ranger. Works pretty good because they are a husband/wife duo that are always playing together and usually outlevel me quickly. So they make 2nd characters that stick around my level when the three of us run around. If we get into tooo much trouble, they can bring in their higher level chars to fix it.

Last night was my first night of 'pvp' in White Sands. We were finishing the Little Shop of Horrors quest in the abandoned house when we ran into another group of three that was clearing out the mobs. Of course a large battle ensues over who's gonna get the shot at the boss mob. We battled at least three times until they sent us 'Good fights' /tells and let us finish the quest while they waited.

We found at least 3 fights happened where we'd get a 'Good fight' tell afterwards and both parties would go our merry way. I was actually very impressed. Only time I've come across anyone ganking was a level 23 that we chased out of the Underhalls when enough people were sick of being killed by him. Once he died, we never saw him again.

Also have had single players use us to deathgate them out of someplace. Total suicide run and a 'thanks' afterwards, which made me laugh quite a bit the first time it happened.

Yeah, it's the first 20 levels, but so far there seems to be a sort of honor among thieves for the most part.

Do you have a guild city or architect on Cimmeria? If not, let me know.

I am really surprised by PvP servers in AoC. I was excepting tons of ganking, griefing and troubles while leveling, in reality, its nothing like that. Two of the servers I play on (SoulstormEU / FuryEU) you will find mostly fair PvP. There is some groups of 80s who try to be wiseguys in lowbiezones, but end up getting steamrolled by the better players and bigger wolfs. The best part about PvP servers is ; two players waiting for same respawns; You choose to group or kill the other guy to get what you want. Ow and yeah, there was a level 55 Conqueror doing the classic around the GY "Imma swinging my swords here and walking in this direction, whoever steps in my path will die" who was chased by three lvl 30-33s to Fields of the Dead. Fun times.

I got a PoM up to 20 on an RPPVP (Hperboria?) and a Conqueror to 22 on the Deathwhisper PvP server. I kept telling myself to expect the worst, not let it get to me, but it just reinforced what I already knew, I don't care for ffa pvp. With all the people saying it was so fun I just had to try though. In the end it's just what it always is - a license for strangers to waste your time at will. And it was no better on the RP server. I ended up getting pissed off, which is pointless. Even the couple times I got the better of someone they would just fucking run away when their health got low. And beyond that, I just didn't find the combat itself fun for pvp, people are so spastic it's almost impossible to land combos. Kind of the last nail in the coffin.

A bit adjustment is needed, about combos they will always land if you put the final blow in them, just do the combos in the air. Also RPPVP is a trap. There is nothing RP about it with the exception of the poor RP souls who really try to make it work. It has more fuckheads and griefers than normal servers. The RP label just attracts them with the intention of fucking up. I suggest trying on a regular PVP server, it is far less hostile and far more fun, don't let the shitkids ruin the game for you.

Where do you come up with this shit?

I can't decide if you are insane or just that class of troll who enjoys pretending to be incredibly wrong and having people yell at you.

Guess both of you missed the griefer guilds who rolled on Corinthia RPPVP and are supposedly roleplaying *ta dah* Griefers.

EDIT: Missed the main point: This spawned several threads on Fury PvP with the intention of doing the same on other RPPVP servers. "Cause it was fun to fuck with roleplayers". Which they did.

Not that i have seen.

I got my HoX on Corinthia and they were still around last night in the Wild Lands village. Just logged in to do a /who, but there is no /who feature.

In the upper left hand corner of the screen there are three buttons.  One of them is a "players and something" button that is the equivalent of a /who command.

The closest I have seen are "Murder Herd" and "Hand of Set" , both of which get owned constantly.

Yea, red names in all adventure zones. Mostly people give each other a wide berth, at least in the teens and 20s zones. Occasionally someone will try something, but if you play smart you see them coming a mile away. It really is basically paying attention.

So, is there like some window dragging exploit or something with AoC? I swear an assassin that jumped me last night in the Underhalls was blinking all over my screen. My link was green so I don't think it was my connection. But I couldn't hit the guy because he was doing some Nightcrawler impression by blinking all over the place. I'm not yelling "EXPLOIT!" because I lost. I really didn't care about that. Heck, a Ranger kicked my ass and I barely touched the guy because I gotz no skillz as the kids say. Or at least I think they say that. Who can keep up? Either way, though. Was weird.

Yeah, like the Rogue doubleteam that kept ganking me out of stealth in White Sands. They were real easy to see coming. Or the level 24 down in the underhalls who would wait right beyond the zoning points in the dungeon, and you'd be almost dead before you fully loaded, another one real easy to see coming.

My brother is playing this on a PVP server, and he's just full of stories of all the newbs he's killed and how they screamed at him.  I should get him to post here.  He's like the anti-me.  When Shadowbane came out, he didn't give any guff about meaningful PVP and player justice, he just said "Man I am going to gank so many newbs!"

You mean your alter ego , WUA? I bet you don't even have an azzraping brother. I'm calling BS :)

Nope, it's true.  WUA has a PK brother.  Years ago when we both played UO, I'd watch over his shoulder as he would repeatedly paralyze a dude while reciting the entire Ezekiel verse from Pulp Fiction via a series of macros, then blast them out of their socks.

Damn, I didn't realize it but Pulp Fiction is now fourteen years old.  It really doesn't seem that long ago I was watching it with my friends.

Fuck I'm old.

There are several hacks currently available. PvP is serious business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xVgoCZ75pE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q30-FWVwpbY

So ya... that's uhh... well, that's no good is what that is.

How are HoX for PvP? This thread is making me want to start a character on Cimmeria(sp?). Haven't played a Hox past level 5 yet so would be nice to play something new.

I'm curious if the hacks work as well outside of single player mode.

Very good at high levels. You have lots of CC and damage at the upper levels and will probably enjoy leveling one. Might be a bit tough up until 30 though.