Websites putting a fuckton of WOTLK articles up.

[Paelos]

Well, except for the fact that the 1st and 2nd bosses are essentially carbon copies of fights you've already seen. The first boss is almost identical the last boss of Steamvaults, and the 2nd boss is a smaller version of the Curator.

But yes, the mid-point trash is god awful. I wish they would stop doing that kind of thing.

[WindupAtheist]

I hope they give pallies, specifically ret pallies... well... not more power, exactly.  Just a reason for people to take them in groups.  And maybe a more fun combat system in general.

[stray]

Short a complete revamp of that class, it won't happen dude. People have been asking for combat skills forever -- but seals are what you're about.

Just spec Prot and AoE lots of shit -- and not die.

[Fabricated]

Hey, ret pallies are great when they get some good equipment. It's just that 90% of the relevant blues for them drop in heroics, which is retarded.

[Merusk]

Ret pallies have a very good reason to be taken along in large groups.  3% crit for everyone in the raid plus whatever other judgements you want on a boss is a big deal.  They just lack reason to exsist in a 5-man environment.

  This is the case for all DPS that doesn't have a reliable in-combat CC method, however, which is why you see LFG for Mages/ Locks before Hunter/ Rogue and never for OOMkin/ Ret Pally.   Yes, it's fucked up. No, they're not going to change it.

[Morfiend]

The major problem with Ret pallies beside what Merusk stated above, which is 100% true (they SUCK in 5 mans) is that they are so hard to gear. Not only do they need very strange stats, they need a a lot of them.

[Fordel]

Well, except for the fact that the 1st and 2nd bosses are essentially carbon copies of fights you've already seen. The first boss is almost identical the last boss of Steamvaults, and the 2nd boss is a smaller version of the Curator.

But yes, the mid-point trash is god awful. I wish they would stop doing that kind of thing.

That's what makes the 2nd boss awesome! Believe it or not, there are still BUCKETS of players that have never even seen Curator so having a mini-Curator lets them get a general feel for the fight. It's also different enough that it isn't REALLY Curator, and the fight can be approached multiple ways depending on who/what you have in group that night. I can't hate on the 2nd boss, it's probably one of my favorite 5 man fights.


The first boss is indeed a near carbon copy of the end dude from SV, but it's the entry boss to the zone. "Your group must have X level of ability to pass" boss test. Probably the only issue with him is that if your DPS is good, you can just ignore the crystal tanks entirely and burn him down. 


Really, what we need is a 5 man boss that uses FlameWreath 

[Gobbeldygook]

Well, except for the fact that the 1st and 2nd bosses are essentially carbon copies of fights you've already seen. The first boss is almost identical the last boss of Steamvaults, and the 2nd boss is a smaller version of the Curator.

The first is not a carbon copy of the 3rd steamvaults boss.  The Steamvaults enrage is a hard enrage; if you don't outgear the content to a fairly dramatic degree, he destroys your tank in seconds.  This boss is superficially similar and whether you want to bother destroying the crystals depends not on your DPS, but your healer.  It's kinda rough for a paladin, but 100% healable.  Priests, druids, and shaman just laugh at the aoe.  So my guild just doesn't bother switching.

The third boss looks like curator, but the actual strat you need to use to complete it is completely different.  Back in the day and for any guild that is progressing naturally through Kara, Curator was a straight DPS check.  Do you have enough DPS to down the flares in time, y/n?  The third boss is a pure control fight.  If you try to be a balla and just DPS through it, he'll eat a group in full tier 6.  Depending on your class spread it can be easy or hard.  It's significantly easier if you bring mages, rogues, or warlocks, but remains doable even if you don't bring any of those.  Take him down 15%, stop, wait for the debuff to drop, keep going.

  This is the case for all DPS that doesn't have a reliable in-combat CC method, however, which is why you see LFG for Mages/ Locks before Hunter/ Rogue and never for OOMkin/ Ret Pally.   Yes, it's fucked up. No, they're not going to change it.

As long as I have enough CC to control the pull (ie get it down to 4-5 mobs up at once, which frequently means "no cc necessary" if the pulls are small enough or feature squishy casters), it doesn't matter what the rest of the DPS is.  Boomkin have strong synergy with mages and ele sham, they bring cyclone, and are one of 2.5 hybrids that can off-heal if the healer dies or whatever, so I'm happy to bring them along in 5 mans.  The real reason ret pallies have such a bad name is that they really, really need windfury to be relevant.  It's unfortunate, but them's the breaks.  Hopefully they'll get a good weapon imbue in WOTLK.

[Simond]

The major problem with Ret pallies beside what Merusk stated above, which is 100% true (they SUCK in 5 mans) is that they are so hard to gear. Not only do they need very strange stats, they need a a lot of them.

+STR is a strange stat?

[Driakos]

They pretty much need DPS warrior gear.  Not so strange anymore.  Well Horde ret paladins at least, the days of + spell dmg are over.