Blood Bowl - for real

[IainC]

The other balancing thing is if you go below 11 players you get a free journeyman lineman. That player has loner so is not great and won't skill up but you will never start a game with less than 11 people so you will at very least always be fielding a full team no matter how bad you get mauled.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying, but I didn't get a lineman, I got a goatman.  I lost my mino, and had purchased exactly 11 to start, leaving me with 10.  I still had 4 linemen (chaos warriors).  When the game startd it looked like I had an extra goatman, not an extra lineman.  For Chaos, goatmen are the scrubs.

In most teams, Linemen are the scrubs. You get the equivalent of that for free - so you get Beastmen, I'd get a Skink and so forth.

[Hoax]

Anyone who plays Dwarves well available on Wednesday for some practice w/ 1k teams?  I've got a West Coast league game on Thursday and I need to practice the matchup.   

[Aez]

I found a flaw of a direct port from table top:

No balancing/nerfing (Could be a quality, I can't decide).

Look at the top 50 teams, Wood Elf a ridiculous.

[Comstar]

P.S: Comstar, with an avatar like that it was a shame for you to be Bloodbowl-less! Welcome to the League (and join the Steam group).

I looked back a few pages and can't find the name for both the League or the Steam Group?

[NowhereMan]

Steam group, just do a search for f13 and pick the groups results.

And yeah, it seems that Wood Elves are somewhat unbalanced in terms of their ability to capitalise on opponent's mistakes/unlucky rolls to make a quick touch down. I don't think the imbalance is enormous though, in general the better coach is going to win and other teams are capable of ruining their opponent's line up. Game balance wise that doesn't matter though because Wood Elves can still manage to get a luck TD in 2 turns with 5 players left on the field, if they're being played well and are reasonably lucky with the dice rolls. I'd guess that's why they're generally doing better in the Leagues.

[Modern Angel]

Ignore the public league rankings. They're gamed to shit.

[Hoax]

Also remember that a Wood Elf team is punished by people in the league killing their players.  Public league players just reroll the team until they get 5 or 6 wins w/ no bad injuries.  You don't get that option in a closed league any injury is one you have to deal with.

[Modern Angel]

The thrust of the complaints with the game being centered around the public league rankings is irritating. I don't want to be all fanboy here (and I'd love some decent matchmaking) but the meat of the game was always going to be the private leagues. Fuck, I didn't even know there was going to be a public league at all until I got the game.

So the pubbie rankings are false, cheated, oh the forums we're crying blah, blah, blah fuck you Frenchie, go make some friends and shut the fuck up. You weren't going to place first out of 30000 teams anyway.

[Falconeer]

F13 Bloodbowlers Steam group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/f13bb

The purpose of the group is just to tell at a quick glance who is online of the Bloodbowlers and maybe throw him a game invite, out of the game (in game messaging sucks beyond recognition).

I repeat the MANDATORY protip: Go to option and uncheck fullscreen, play windowed. As long as it's the same resolution as your desktop it'll look fullscreen as it's a borderless window. And ALT+TAB will finally work. Perfect for Steam communication while playing.

P.S: Any game #4 going?
P.S.2: IainC, we can make it thursday yes. Just let me know what's the better time for you. Say, 7pm GMT? Later? Earlier?

[kaid]

I found a flaw of a direct port from table top:

No balancing/nerfing (Could be a quality, I can't decide).

Look at the top 50 teams, Wood Elf a ridiculous.

Woodelf teams are the best scorers in the game bar none. If you don't let them get the ball back however its pretty easy to win against one. Their team is SQUISHY they are very strong at the start of the league due to their high starting abilities. Once they face one of the more brawling teams though typically they are checked pretty quickly due to their players being VERY expensive and very easy to injure kill. In one game against a wood elf player in the league at the end of the game when I scored my last TD of the game to win with my lizards my opponent had 1 lineman left on the field. Every other person on his team was in the injured or KO'ed box.

Honestly in playing them more and more I am surpised people would even try them in a league. The longer you play the farther they will fall behind as their players get destroyed by chaos/lizards and orks. Scoring in 2 turns is all fun and games but once the opponent gets the ball and decides to sit on it the tricky part is getting the weak and low armored guys in there to kick the ball out again. VS my lizards its a near complete wall of STR 4 lizards so everything is throwing 2 or 3 dice against the wood elves and when they try to push my guys around they are throwing two dice my pick constantly.

The tactic for a brawling team if at all possible let them get the ball first. They will get it and they will get a turn 2 TD almost guaranteed. Once you get the ball cage up and spend the next 3 or 4 turns just killing people and if they are not being agressive moving slowly down the field. Basically you want to score only on the 8th turn.

On the second half you will then get the ball back probably with a bunch of their guys KO'ed so now grab the ball cage up and spend the next 8 turns BREAKING THEM. by the end of the game unless they give up and run away you will have killed or maimed half their team and won the game 2-1.

[Ironwood]

Wait, why does that Steam Group not have me in it ?

[Falconeer]

Ironwood, I posted that link like 4 times. I felt redundant every time I've done it, and still I knew you weren't in it and I was wondering if you were expecting some sort of payment to join.

[NowhereMan]

I really quite like Wood Elf teams but not having played it in a private league and since the computer doesn't really concentrate on trying to kill as many players as it can I'm not sure how survivable they'll be. That said properly played Wood Elves really shouldn't be giving their opponents too many opportunities to bash their players. Defence all comes down to trying to force the opponent to make as many tackle checks as possible if they want to try moving the ball player and hoping that they trip up when the ball player's exposed since if you can get your hands on the ball there's a good chance you'll be able to score.

[Modern Angel]

My brother was playing a team where he gave just about every motherfucking elf on his team Fend. It was incredibly obnoxious.

[Cadaverine]

Cadaverine vs Typhon came out 1-0.  Many injuries were were had, mostly by Chaos, who couldn't catch a break the first half.

I stand by my belief that the dice are biased.

[Cadaverine]

Anyone who plays Dwarves well available on Wednesday for some practice w/ 1k teams?  I've got a West Coast league game on Thursday and I need to practice the matchup.   

Depending on the time, I can throw together a new Dwarf team, and play a practice match, or three.

[Typhon]

Again, if you judge by my track record, Chaos are the biggest bunch of pussies out there.  4 injuries before the first half.  NONE of those injuries got up for the second half.  NONE of those injuries got up when Cad scored.  Then two more injuries after that.  Fortunately Cad's luck had pretty much gone into the crapper by this point or it would have been 3-0.

Having to wait unitl season two or three... or five or six, to have a squad that doesn't blow is an odd design choice, imo.

My teams value is 800 right now.  Nice.

[Aez]

Modern Angel, what's your steam name?

[Modern Angel]

Brocktoon

I have a scheduled game in a different league at 6 eastern tomorrow and curry to cook and serve until 8:30 or so. I can play after however.

[Aez]

Ok, 9 PM tomorrow?

[Azazel]

I always enjoyed playing against Wood Elves with my Orcs. Of course, I play Orcs with an Orcish mentality, in that the winner of the game isn't always the team who got the most touchdowns.   

[Modern Angel]

Ok, 9 PM tomorrow?

I will be there. I'd suggest bringing a couple extra body bags. My dwarves are feeling mean. 

[Ironwood]

Ironwood, I posted that link like 4 times. I felt redundant every time I've done it, and still I knew you weren't in it and I was wondering if you were expecting some sort of payment to join.

No, I mean that's now about 3 times I've gone to steam and pressed the JOIN GROUP button.

I was thinking it needed someone to nominate me or something, because it just plain doesn't work.

 

[Ironwood]

Annnnnd Now it works first time.

Making me look like a cock.

Hmmmm.

I'll take that payment now though.

[Falconeer]

My teams value is 800 right now.  Nice.

That Star Player is closer and closer. Are you planning to field it against me? 

[Cadaverine]

I'm pretty sure he used the Star Player Mino in our match.  I didn't notice him being any better than a normal minotaur, to be honest.  Then, from my experiences with the big guys, they're generally fairly useless for their price compared to another Blitzer, or Blocker.

[Der Helm]

I always enjoyed playing against Wood Elves with my Orcs. Of course, I play Orcs with an Orcish mentality, in that the winner of the game isn't always the team who got the most touchdowns.   

I just played a game in the public "league". My Chaos team (Murder Squad) against a Wood Elf team. I won 2-1. 

His only player left standing was the tree thing. 

I killed 1 and injured 8 his players. 

And now I got claws. 

[kaid]

The main advantage to the star player mino/rat ogre/trolls is they are not damn morons so you can count on the big bad ass to do what you tell him to do. 

[Modern Angel]

Claws on a minotaur is just about the most frightening thing in the goddamned game. They're dumb UNLESS they're blitzing/blocking. So just blitz them everywhere. It'll be fine.

[Der Helm]

Claws on a minotaur is just about the most frightening thing in the goddamned game. They're dumb UNLESS they're blitzing/blocking. So just blitz them everywhere. It'll be fine.

I understand that claws help with injuring people, but could you explain to me how ? Math is hard, you know 

[Modern Angel]

The target's armor is capped at 6. I think it's 6. Someone will correct me. But they get Mighty Blow, Claws... that's a killing machine right there.

[NowhereMan]

Yeah, some of the stats geeks on the official forums were reviewing mighty blow vs. claws and both improve chances of injuring with claws having the edge when you get to AV 9 players. Both together make it massively more likely that you're going to be injuring opposition players.

[Hoth]

Got this game today and started playing. Will join the steamgroup and hope for a few matches versus you guys and of course a bit of nice leagueplay.
My chaosteam lost it's first match but at least harvested a good amount of skavenheads. 

[Modern Angel]

Yeah, some of the stats geeks on the official forums were reviewing mighty blow vs. claws and both improve chances of injuring with claws having the edge when you get to AV 9 players. Both together make it massively more likely that you're going to be injuring opposition players.

That's where it's ugly since Minotaurs get Mighty Blow by default.

[Der Helm]

That's where it's ugly since Minotaurs get Mighty Blow by default.

I gave mine block, because I rolled a double.