War

[Amarr HM]

AAA, SE, Coven, etc, etd, itp, ble ble ble are not part of GBC.

I know it eBay-GBC fits wonderfully into your ropaganda line, but the truth is you haven't have any fleetfights with BoB or GBC (which is still up north) yet.

What's your propaganda line?

[JoeTF]

None at the moment.

[Sir T]

I guess I made up the BOB kills I got today then :(

And the fraps I got was really brilliant editing....

[Quinton]

I guess I made up the BOB kills I got today then :(

And the fraps I got was really brilliant editing....

I thought that pathetic little fleet we chased around AZN and nearby systems was BoB.  It sure does look that way on the killmails.  Maybe they're not the "real" BoB?

So confusing!

- Q

[JoeTF]

I guess I made up the BOB kills I got today then :(

And the fraps I got was really brilliant editing....

60 BS-only convoy does not proper fleetfight made.

[Amarr HM]

I guess I made up the BOB kills I got today then :(

And the fraps I got was really brilliant editing....

60 BS-only convoy does not proper fleetfight made.

Guess you won't be blowing yourselves up inside POS shields anymore either.

[Phildo]

Joe, you make a fair point.  So what was an indefensible 60-man battleship gang doing alone in hostile space, sitting in one system without safe spotting?

[Endie]

AAA, SE, Coven, etc, etd, itp, ble ble ble are not part of GBC.

I know it eBay-GBC fits wonderfully into your propaganda line, but the truth is you haven't have any fleetfights with BoB or GBC (which is still up north) yet.

Dude, we fought you for a year.  The "you have yet to taste the boot of omnipotence" doesn't work.  This was far, far worse than any Bob fleet I have ever encountered.  Seriously.  Maybe it was a newbie FC who got to say what people were to fit, but the fits were lunacy for the task and the two times I watched them bubble themselves and lose ships were comedy gold.  And the corp histories!    It was like a collection of every shitty pet we ever threw out their space.  I'm not sure why they'd be better this time than they were before vOv  let's face it, it's going to come down to supercap blobbing until PL, the north etc turn up then that will ease off sharpish vOv

As for the remaining GBC - who lets face it have had a tough time recently, haemhoraging capitals under Bob FCs in an unbroken string of fleet fight defeats then being abandoned and promptly declaring amidst tears that they cannot possibly defend their space from Tri and Atlas - ( http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21575&start=15 - you taught me to read Crapheap Challenge you bastard!) - well, their morale and participation must be just sky-high.

60 BS-only convoy does not proper fleetfight made.

There were 68 in TR0-, 28 who logged out in 2-F and a few more (like Molle's alt) locking down AZN.

I know because I had alts in two reporting hostiles to the FC, while the third was covered by another person.

[Sir T]

Uh you were shooting station services in AZN and camping the gates for hours. If you are doing that you have to be ready for a fight. Saying that you were transporting spare ships past 2 jumps away from a warzone and through your enemies constellation capital does not cut it.

[JoeTF]

But, ekhm, the thing is... we were. There were three, BS-only convoys, first one (under molle command) got bored and tried shooting station services, the next two didn't bother. Net effect was we didn't had more than 60-80 BS in area at time and only 'engagement' was us running into 200+ goon fleet with 60 BS and promptly bailing out (us, not goons, to be clear).

More importantly, until today our presence in the region was ZERO. We weren't there.

Endie, I wasn't playing at the omnipotence itself, I was pointing out that Coven, SE, AAA, RA-splinters and other assorted locals are not part of GBC. We have set temp +5 towards them, and that's as far as it goes. We're not even merging fleets or using the same teamspeak. Hell, if goonies suddenly decided to move out, I'm pretty sure they would even wait for standing list to update at next dt:D

I was really hoping we would finally get some decent fleetfights today, but it didn't happen:( I hope tomorrow will be better.

[Endie]

That makes sense.  I imagine we'll begin the traditional cycle of a year ago where Bob and pets/allies completely dominate weekends, timezones and pos timings are everything, and the first few weeks see us on the defensive against huge blobs until they slowly diminish and we might begin to push back.  It'll be a very tough few weeks against thiose numbers, though.

[slog]

While we were removing huge numbers (I've honestly lost count, so far) of hostile POSes which represented the sum total of two weeks of effort on the eBay-GBC's part, and for which they lost numerous fleet battles, Bob turned up with 100 ships.

I believe we have destroyed 11 hostile POSes as of this posts.

Exchange in Local:

Zzelle > is this bob?
Innominate > not really
Zzelle > I thought it was a roaming CVA gang
Innominate > roaming cvs gangs actually kill goons

- Q

Just curious, is this the same Innominate that used to play Jumpgate?

[Sir T]

Evil Thug has had a Rocky Moment it seems

Mans don't cry, mans just grieving. AAA don't step aside after frist hit. GS and allies you are great (opponents). You beat us in battle for VNG. C u later. 

[Pezzle]

15 large towers.. is that right??

[Phildo]

More like 13 larges and 2 smalls that we caught anchoring and wtfpwned.

[TripleDES]

Spin spin, sugar...

All the warping back and forth erratically didn't exactly look like a convoy, nor what my fellow peer scout that was tailing you clowns was reporting that night.

[TripleDES]

That makes sense.  I imagine we'll begin the traditional cycle of a year ago where Bob and pets/allies completely dominate weekends, timezones and pos timings are everything, and the first few weeks see us on the defensive against huge blobs until they slowly diminish and we might begin to push back.  It'll be a very tough few weeks against thiose numbers, though.

That sarcasm? I can't tell.

[Endie]

Endie, I wasn't playing at the omnipotence itself, I was pointing out that Coven, SE, AAA, RA-splinters and other assorted locals are not part of GBC. We have set temp +5 towards them, and that's as far as it goes. We're not even merging fleets or using the same teamspeak. Hell, if goonies suddenly decided to move out, I'm pretty sure they would even wait for standing list to update at next dt:D

I am disappointed that you would mislead us as to whether AAA/SE/ROL are under Bob control :

Target: XKZ8-H (Esoteria)
Ships: Cloaking ships (Recons, HACS, Dictors, etc.)
Mission: Disrupt TCF logistics by camping jump bridges, station, etc.

We need pilots to jump clone immediately to Period Basis and grab their cloaking ship and we will move to the target system immediately. Our intention is not to start major fleet fights with TCF, our purpose is to annoy them and disrupt their logistics.

We are not abandoning Venal at this time. This is a temporary mission and if it becomes long term, we will have an official evacuation from Venal.

Questions?

Concentrate on XKZ and the constellation behind it. There is AAA/ROL/SE/... next door in Feythabolis who have been instructed to not come raiding over to Esoteria but nevertheless are not yet blue, so don't go over to Feyth

Emphasis mine.

That makes sense.  I imagine we'll begin the traditional cycle of a year ago where Bob and pets/allies completely dominate weekends, timezones and pos timings are everything, and the first few weeks see us on the defensive against huge blobs until they slowly diminish and we might begin to push back.  It'll be a very tough few weeks against thiose numbers, though.

That sarcasm? I can't tell.

No, it's serious.  We went through this phase in the war against Bob before: they'll use many of their titans and motherships, as well as the substantial numbers of capitals they still have even after losing hundreds up north, to blob gates and whole systems for days while waiting for towers to come out of reinforced, and we are, after all, potentially facing about 28 titans between Bob, AAA and ROL.  They'll also bring their numbers, even though their pilots are, quality-wise, complete shit compared to what they had a couple of years ago.  And they'll smother weekends with numbers, knowing that Goons tend to socialise at the weekends, so our numbers are far weaker than Bob (who tend to play Eve at the weekends).

The golden era of free-flowing fleet fights that we've been enjoying for the last week or so (while doomsdays were broken), which allowed Goonswarm, TCF and UNL to repeatedly and comprehensively demonstrate complete superiority over AAA, SE and ROL in fleet and cap fights, are over for the moment (until CCP realise just how fun they were), and we'll have to be a lot more conservative until we get enough allied caps nearby to assure death to any bubbled titan.

[Sparky]

Titans in a maneuvering lag free environment are pretty neutered even sans bug.  They didn't play a big part up north save for morale crushing deaths.

Also Endie you have it the wrong way around.  Goonswarm does crap on weekends because they tend to fight weekend warriors, whereas unemployed Goons playing from their parents basements can show more consistent weekly participation. 

Hope I don't have to green and that comment will be taken in the spirit it's intended.

[Endie]

How can you be so harsh?  And I thought that PL were our chill brosefs 

Actually it would really help if you guys just announced that you were moving to NPC Stain.  You don't have to actually do it, as such, but if you announce that you are it's the last we'll see of Bob supercaps for the foreseeable future.

[Sparky]

If it were up to me we'd be down there already, but I'm just a grunt and have no sway whatsoever.  Sure there have been talks and we'll be wherever most needed while the time comes.

[TripleDES]

And they'll smother weekends with numbers, knowing that Goons tend to socialise at the weekends, so our numbers are far weaker than Bob (who tend to play Eve at the weekends).

Are we talking about Something Awful goons here? Because...

[Yoru]

It seems green is implied when Endie speaks.

[Sparky]

And they'll smother weekends with numbers, knowing that Goons tend to socialise at the weekends, so our numbers are far weaker than Bob (who tend to play Eve at the weekends).

Are we talking about Something Awful goons here? Because...

YCS counts as socialising OK

[Endie]

And they'll smother weekends with numbers, knowing that Goons tend to socialise at the weekends, so our numbers are far weaker than Bob (who tend to play Eve at the weekends).

Are we talking about Something Awful goons here? Because...

I'm absolutely serious, actually.  As Bob well know (I'm not giving away secrets here) their best chance of taking a big system is at the weekend when their participation rockets and ours plummets.  QY6 was the perfect example, but it happened for weeks in the south last year until the Tenerifis/DeadShrike counter-offensive.  It's why Bob tends to reinforce our towers on Thursdays and Fridays.

[TripleDES]

And they'll smother weekends with numbers, knowing that Goons tend to socialise at the weekends, so our numbers are far weaker than Bob (who tend to play Eve at the weekends).

Are we talking about Something Awful goons here? Because...

YCS counts as socialising OK

gb2fyad >_>

[JoeTF]

AAA didn't want to play with us, so we're packing up back home. But they're totally part of GBC and under our orders, yah right.

[Endie]

AAA didn't want to play with us, so we're packing up back home. But they're totally part of GBC and under our orders, yah right.

I'm not being a dick here, but the second clause doesn't make sense.  You mean that they got uppity so you told them to go fuck themselves and left?!?

That seems to be what you mean but I really think you'd want to kill us enough to put up with Evil Thug's teenaged bullshit for a few weeks.

Edit: I'm not intentionally being a dick 

[Sparky]

AAA didn't want to play with us, so we're packing up back home. But they're totally part of GBC and under our orders, yah right.

Got a link to the announcement?  This totally passed me by.

[Sir T]

Spin spin, sugar...

All the warping back and forth erratically didn't exactly look like a convoy, nor what my fellow peer scout that was tailing you clowns was reporting that night.

Just some fraps of some of the stuff that been going down in the South (including Bobs "caravan")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGaqqdIHBg

(reposed here as its relevant to some discussions)

[jape]

Just some fraps of some of the stuff that been going down in the South (including Bobs "caravan")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRGaqqdIHBg

(reposed here as its relevant to some discussions)

Youtube can do HD nowdays, so use it  (for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p27cLysfqYc&fmt=22)

[TripleDES]

AAA didn't want to play with us, so we're packing up back home. But they're totally part of GBC and under our orders, yah right.

Got a link to the announcement?  This totally passed me by.

Lets post it in COAD and see what happens! 

[JoeTF]

Good burn. I'll be quiet now and copy&paste report only officially posted CAOD announcements from now on.

[Endie]

Good burn. I'll be quiet now and copy&paste report only officially posted CAOD announcements from now on.

Nobody burned you vOv  Just interested if Evil Thug had already managed to piss BoB off that much...

Edit:  I think TripleDES just meant that if you were being cryptic someone should alt-post it and see what happened :)

Second Edit: also, with Molle's cyno alt following us around the whole evening methinks you commit the ultimate crime of using this thread to actively misinform :-(  Anyway, Stain messed it up for him.

[Amarr HM]

Good burn. I'll be quiet now and copy&paste report only officially posted CAOD announcements from now on.

To me your initial tone indicated hostility at the GS members in here triumphalising a quite well executed campaign by demoting it to merely trying to place spin and came across a little bitter grapes, maybe it wasn't your intention or I picked it up wrong.