War

[Goumindong]

Goonswarm. Though I am not sure what that has to do with an estimation of the combat corps from the old tri

edit: Pilot ability means little in discussing how capable a corp is.

E.G. I am frankly a terrible pilot when it comes to doing specialist stuff. My computer is shitty and apparently cant load the new big fleet battles and my skills are strictly focused for doing one single thing. Now, i work well for an alliance, because I do what needs to be done when it needs to be done. But as a pilot, I am just another cog.

[IainC]

TRI are our neighbours and allies up in the north (Vale of the Silent). We've had some busy weekends recently where KIA and MM cap fleets have come to blow up TRI POSs in TVN-FM and some other systems over to the East but they've won some decisive battles, saved all their stations and bloodied some noses. Our alliance has been flying in some TRI OPS fleets and we've yet to lose a fight.  I think our part of space is likely to become very interesting in the weeks to come as the various wars start sucking resources around the map.

[Sparky]

edit: Pilot ability means little in discussing how capable a corp is.

Above basic competence, yeah I'd agree with that.  I'm pretty shitty but do decently because of great FCs.

[Endie]

This is a thread for news about Eve War, and not one for Goumindong in particular to fuck up after two years of useful life with discussions of which alliances are useless.

If you want to smack someone, you need to be passive-aggressive, or at least wrap it up in factual data.  Do not be the person that gets banned for shitting up this miracle of a thread, which made it all the way through from Detorid to Delve and beyond.

For example, let's say I wanted to point out that the NC have been hammering Bob's max offensive into the ground?  I would point at this set of statistics on the joint NC boards and suggest that winning only three fights since the beginning of November, and none of those amongst the sizeable ones, does not make for 2005-vintage end-game dominance.

Now someone like JoeTF will point out that Goonswarm losing the tower majority last night in a 6-moon system where we had a large fleet in place ready to rep by having the FC simply wander off to a different system before the shields are repped doesn't even make for Syndicate dying-alliance levels of dominance.  He'll also be providing info and we'll all be happy.

[Sparky]

f13.net > MMOG Discussion > Eve Online > YAS: Your Alliance Sucks

[Slayerik]

Goonswarm. Though I am not sure what that has to do with an estimation of the combat corps from the old tri

edit: Pilot ability means little in discussing how capable a corp is.

E.G. I am frankly a terrible pilot when it comes to doing specialist stuff. My computer is shitty and apparently cant load the new big fleet battles and my skills are strictly focused for doing one single thing. Now, i work well for an alliance, because I do what needs to be done when it needs to be done. But as a pilot, I am just another cog.

I ask because I might have a totally different opinion of Morsus Mihi then the next guy.

I rank their corps:

Shiva
hirr
Arrow
maybe 4s

Everyone else

This is from my experience, I have been fighting in the North in small gang and (rarely) blob warfare for years now. I feel my opinion is justified from my actual combat experience. Now, you mentioning you are in Goonswarm then calling Triumvirate trash makes a lot of sense (and justifies the question). GS in general has spewed plenty of trash about TRI even back when I was a member of Viper Squad. It's still kinda funny to me. How many battles have you fought TRI in for you to call them trash?



After doing a search, I just noticed Shiva left MM. Interesting. Though they are still fighting with NC.

[Endie]

Hmm, looks like Bob might have been right to be a bit dismissive of their pets: http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65189 

[Miasma]

Hmm, looks like Bob might have been right to be a bit dismissive of their pets: http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=65189 

How does something like that happen?  That's a serious question btw.  Is it lag, does one side have titans, do they get trapped in bubbles?

[Pezzle]

Command breakdown, lack of communication, people not following orders (or following the wrong orders or bad orders).  Even a fleet proper for the fight can get flattened if just a couple of critical mistakes are made and not corrected.  Add to that your DD's and enemies taking advantage of said mistakes..

[Slayerik]

Wish I could tell ya, but the thing that jumps out at me is 1 mothership, 24 dreads, 22 carriers vrs. no caps

I'm also seeing POS guns on mails.

The big question is, why didn't the FC get them out? Cynojammer absolute rapefest is what it looks like, I couldn't tell you for sure as I have been inactive for weeks now. Either way a total assbeating.

[Endie]

Yeah, there are pos guns on both sides, from each side's corps, so it looks like back-and-forth stuff, perhapa where the dreads went in to take down a tower?

In any case, it has to be a chilling reminder to the losing side that, as soon as Bob give up (presuming, of course, that they don't turn stuff around after the last six weeks or so) then their pets/allies will be out in weeks.  Or days, in the case of the useless chuckleheads of Axiom.

[JoeTF]

By your pets, do you mean Triumvirate?

No, the official pets.

[Predator Irl]

Pandemic Legion?

[Endie]

Another great day for the anti-SEbAAAy forces in Esoteria and Feythabolis.  TCF turned up to defend their constellation, got some caps tackled by AAA, Coven and SE and needed help.  In no time at all a big Goon fleet turned up, with Rebellion and UNL support.  We engaged on the gate for two hours, and wiped the field clear.  Well, clear in the sense of huge numbers of hostile wrecks.  We tore up their ECM, then drove their main fleet to extreme range, took down their short-range battleships and finally bubbled and went close-in on their snipers.  The variety of tactics used was a million miles away from the Goonswarm of 18 months ago and I never felt for a second that we might lose.

Furious Spinning Turbines to CCP: lag is massively improved.  The fight was right on the Q00H gate, and I jumped into this 500-person maelstrom once it was already started, with fighters all over the place and wrecks piling up. To make things worse, I had the wrong overview tab selected, with brackets on.  Despite this, I loaded grid in seconds, and although my guns' firing rate was decreased, there was no module lag: the second you locked and engaged a target you did damage.  This has been the case in every big fight I've been in recently.  CCP have really turned this around, and huge fights are spectacular and actually gorgeous to watch.

I said that it would be a good sign for us when SE and AAA set each other blue and combined fleets.  I'm amazed it was so quick, but they did so last night.

Anyway, I got to call primaries for the whole fleet for a while when the main FC warped off grid, and so some of the kills are really mine   .  Feeling comfortable giving info to the FCs throughout about 90 minutes, and being one of the four or five people who was speaking on TS was weird: I really did think back to being a newb and not even daring to say I had a point on stuff in case Tolon primaried me  .

Being obviously involved like that helped afterwards: I mentioned the POS that was coming out of reinforced that the F13/LOVEU guys were trying to defend vs 3-1 odds, and before they knew what had happened Red.Overlord went from attacking to cowering in a station away from 100+ goons who shot poses, helped rep and left 20-odd folks behind to act as a deterrent for a while.  I repped til 3am, and I know that there were folks still going when I logged in again at 8.30am to help.  The enemy tried to send more battleships against our fleet, but my 4-gun gunner and another guy made them give up on that, eventually.  Next, they tried to hot drop our caps with their own force, but we just edged inside the shields, called on Daveydweeb and they gave up on that, too.  It's tiring but we're really making a difference, tying down a crapload of the enemy on the other side of their space form the main fleet.

tl;dr Goonfleet defended all our POSes, put all AAA's ones in VNG bar one into reinforced, killed one of them already and are generally not buckling like certain people thought.

[Goumindong]

Pandemic Legion?

Pandemic Legion is fighting against BoB and is such, unlikely to ever be considered "BoB pets"

[Endie]

Having had a conspicuous lack of return on their investment with the Max Damage serious business fleets over the first four days, AAA decided that they would try the fast-moving nanogang concept.

Folks from Providence know that AAA recon/nanohac gangs were never as effective as ones from old-style Tri or Goodfellas, but did cause a lot of trouble through sheer size.  Unfortunately, the recent game changes have not helped AAA's cause too much.

By way of explanation, there were just over twice as many hostiles in that gang as show up in the engagement, but that's what happens when all you kill for the loss of 30+ hacs and recons is a single, lowly enyo    There would have been more ZAF, Kraftwerk and Goons, too, but the fight started, we waited less than half a minute before getting the warpin, and by the time we left warp half the AAA fleet was dead and the rest were scarpering 

Anyway, with the repulse of their initial "big hammer" approach, the Isk-sellers have decided to make use of the rather more appropriate approach of buying the systems with POS-spamming.  Which is, I suppose, a compliment.  On the downside, we'll lose one of our ZS- towers tomorrow to terrible luck on stront unless a miracle happens.

[Sparky]

Damn AAA are showing themselves up as quite the paper tiger aren't they?  Better pull a rabbit out of the hat or their "zomg scary russians" image is finished.  Not to underplay GSs accomplishments you understand, I'm really impressed how they've rallied.

[IainC]

In non Goon news, KIA declare victory and leave Vale after getting their arses kicked heavily in a series of POS battles over the weekend. TCF caps have also been seen jumping out of the region, presumably to get involved in the fight down south.

[Pezzle]

Ya, AAA have never been nano heavy in Providence.  They do seem to like Falcons.  I guess we have enjoyed the occasional slugfest with them because of the variety and fun non massive fleet fighting.  As for what is going on now?  We are working on that.

[Endie]

You can look at the map of all the thousands of systems in Eve and see a combined size/colour-coding visualisation of the number of kills in each system.

It's like the good days again: can you spot the system where Goons are fighting?  Look for Lady Scarlet (the big red blob):


Edit: A more helpful update for you warsports fans: a hostile tower was coming out in VNG.  It's not claiming sov, but is a hostile staging post, so we wanted to kill it.  However, AAA brought equal numbers (just equal, in their prime) to our allied fleet and so we fought them instead.  All was going well until Stain joined in, adding 50% to their fleet.  We were driven off the gate.  Oh no: was this the end of our plucky Goons? 

But what's this?  The enemy decide to engage our capitals at the JB POS?  Goon tacklers (including me, since everything I had except a cyno alt was in ZS-) leap across the intervening 170km and lock up everything we can.  Half of the enemy run away... leaving the other half in a swarm of tackles and bubbles.  Out of perhaps 60 battleships that came in, only 10 or so escaped.  Now we are looting both battlefields (thanks for the faction mods, comrades!) and looking around for what to blow up next.

And here is the fun kicker.  Joshua Cane, head of our French brosefs TCF, gets a convo from Nync, the gold farmer at the heart of this:

nync > when you back , and before using dreds on my poses convo me, cos after tcf starts attacking my pos , this will be my last chat with any tcf member in this life

Looks like someone is beginning to panic.  Josh told him to get lost.

[Sir T]

Nync Panicking. No evidence of that... (more on that later)

So here we were. I had joined goonfleet as they were staring down the barrel of a gun. a small little known corp was holding in grimly. We had several times achieved sov materiel only to see the ebayers plant more towers on moons. Yesterday however something changed. The Rus-1 heroes were seen taking down a moon mining medium Pos and... putting up as large. What was this? Taking down a profit making pos and converting it into a tower that sucks cash out of their mouth?

In other news, a little known but extremely well respected veteran pilot newly out of retirement decided to head do 0oy in his shiny new Megathron. The day downed fresh and crisp as he.. oh hell I'm not endie... :)

The goons + allies were facing the combined might of the Russians in the system of 0oy. I logged in and xed up. There were 4 towers coming out, 2 just before and 2 after downtime. But we had work to do. We began systematically destroying the guns of tower 1, while the FC commented in amazement that this was one of the biggest goon gang of battleships he had ever seen. Suddenly the call went out... Titan! A Ragnarok was coming in on us. He landed and doomsdayed, but the battleships had been already warping out as he came in, and all that remained were the Interdictors arriving to bubble him, and a Scorpion that did not manage to get out in time. Sadly he fled, and we were soon back killing guns. One tower cleared and we began working on another. At this point I began to suffer serious lag issues. The call went out for us to go back tower 1 that was just coming out. However I was stuck there unmoving and nearly lost my battleship till it finally decided to get the hell out at 30% structure.

At the tower we were treated to an awesome sight... nearly a hundred capital ships were in system and over 50 goon dreadnoughts entered siege to blow the tower apart in under 2 minutes (actually according to some reports it was under 60 seconds). They then proceeded to destroy every gun and the moon was empty space in just over 5 minutes. Onto tower 2. Rinse repeat, drop tower 2, and the goon caps cynoed out as the server began counting down its final minute. However ominously an enemy cyno was spotted and we heard that enemy caps had been seen arriving as downtown hit.. What would await us after the blackness of nulltime...

We reawakened to a system that was ominously quiet... local spiked up and it was all blue! We had a tower to kill immediately, and most of the goon capitals were out of system refueling, leaving the few remaining and our formidable battleship fleet to do the deed. In the middle of this a Rapier flew out in the middle of our battleships... and immediately died. We heard later they were trying to hot drop us. More drama a titan appeared in the tower and flew out into a safe, and then Nync appeared... and flew out with his carrier, then came back and left.. each time taking one of the ships that had been carelessly staked in the tower. hoping against hope to save some of his isk. He failed, and Goonswarm stole what he did not manage to take..

The there was a long wait as we waited for the last Tower. We heard of a AAA support gang in the area and moved to block them. They never showed. Some stain tried to break in the other side, but the UNL held them up long enough for them and our support gang to kill 2 Ravens by themselves before the battleships arrived.

The last tower, and everyone was quiet. We all knew that if they had a cyno, and if they could fight at all, now was the time. We went in... Dreadnaoughts first, then Carriers/motherships, then finally the battleships at long range, and lastly our support came in with their webs and tacklers among the dreadnoughts. nync himself was there and as the tower melted around him he disconnected, the reconnected. A furious sniping duel broke out as his small forces attempted to draw away the fire of our battleships and then flee, but our tacklers were on them in seconds. We heard of a Leviathan detected in system. We waited for the cyno the would bring the Russians on us. Then we saw something we never thought we would see since the pathetic humiliation of Galavet...

13:40:17 Notify nync has initiated self-destruct of their Nidhoggur, it will explode in 120 seconds.

This time, however, the forces of Goon would not be denied their just Killmail! ( I was though. I could not get my guns to fire on him. Damn lag :( )

So that was it. 0oy is now 7-0 to Goonswarm, their station is ours permanently till they can knock out our towers,  and I will leave Endie to speak of the wider implications of that. Really however mad props big credit for this should go to UNL, that had 0oy locked down in camps since yesterday. Stopping people coming in may have had a large part in our victory.



*bows and cedes the floor*

[Endie]

Great report, and that explains to me how Nync died, which I was surprised by.  Not much to add here except that, since I remember trying to take this from Bob previously, this is an awesome system to get out of the way: it's immensely defensible unless someone is prepared to get superiority and keep it for a couple of days, and if we can hold it long enough to get sov three it will make a nice redoubt if we need a last stand!

I've rarely seen a turnout like this from Goons, and never at this time of the day, and it's a real sign of both our momentum and our development as an alliance.  I really didn't expect it, and everyone is on a high.

I'm also glad to get this system out the way in case Bob, having failed up north, decide that chasing on the coattails of the EbAAAy coalition is the best way to get their participation back: their announcement a few days ago that their capital fleet is to go "rest" for a couple of weeks does sound kinda like a cover story after their repeated failures up north.  The upside of that would be that it would be nice to have serial-Bob-beaters Pandemic Legion down here again

Kudos in this victory has to go to Rebellion and UNL: the massive fleet involved was almost entirely Goons, but our Russian allies locked down 0OYZ- for most of the preceding day.

[apocrypha]

I fucking love this thread 

Whatever EVE's faults (and I've been vocal about many of them in the past) there is no other game that I know of with this amazing level of totally player-created drama. Most games would get write ups like the last few here once in their entire game lifetime, in EVE it's almost the weekly bread & butter of 0.0 conflict. If I am *ever* able to play games for long periods of time again I am so gonna join up with you guys.

[Sparky]

Beating the shit out of scarey russians in thier prime time?  Yeah they're boned.  Goonfleet is back baby

[lac]

BoB pets kill a Razor titan

Go Atlas!

edit: 3 moms and some caps went down too, conventional fleets are slugging it out and it looks like BoB is shooting Atlas :p

[jape]

All caps (Titan, 3 moms) were aligned out to safe POS. MS get all HICs cleared from nearby the titan, and titan doomsdays. Doomsday takes fuel, and starts 1 hour counter, but does not kill any ships or any of the dictor bubbles on the field.

Not much else to add.

If thats true, they might get it back. *shrug*

[Goumindong]

Someone tried to DD GS post patch and it failed we think it was because they were out of range. Maybe it was a bug both times? Maybe DD's were secretly disabled...

Also, CCP has yet to reimburse a super-cap loss for any reason. It won't happen.

[jape]

Someone tried to DD GS post patch and it failed we think it was because they were out of range. Maybe it was a bug both times? Maybe DD's were secretly disabled...

Also, CCP has yet to reimburse a super-cap loss for any reason. It won't happen.

I think they reimbursed whole NC fleet that got toasted right after stacklessIO/eve64 thingy. Not sure if superdupercaps were involved though.

[Endie]

BoB pets kill a Razor titan

Go Atlas!

I always kinda worried that you were pro-Bob, but isn't that a touch open?  Um, do you have any characters in LOVEU at the moment?

[lac]

Did I really need to put that 'go Atlas' in green to make it clear?

[Endie]

Did I really need to put that 'go Atlas' in green to make it clear?

Wouldn't that change the meaning somewhat?

[Sir T]

As I rather deliciously pointed out the other day, When BOB + pets = fail, BOB run off to do subcabital cloaky stuff and leave pets all alone, and all of a sudden the Pets start doing 200% better, then the correct conclusion is not the BOB is awesome and the reasons for their success, but that BOB sucks and they are sound bloody better without Bob FCs and BOB grunts idiotically ordering them around.

Anyway it seems from this that the doomsday was only a fancy light show and didn't effect anything. Good luck getting the ships back though.

{edit} O and the same twat was desperately trying to tell me that Bob all wanted to give Shrike another Avatar, but he magnanimously declined, saying said he didn't want it, ergo hes awesome. Which means either he was told point blank that he "really didn't want", every titan pilot immediately changed their account password, or he's going to turn up in an Erebus anytime now.

[Goumindong]

PL is reporting that smartbombs and DD's no longer kill dictor bubbles post patch.

Was that documented?

[Sir T]

No it wasn't. And I read the patch notes VERY carefully so I would be up to speed after coming back after a long time away. I Could have missed it of course but I think would have remembered that!

And if that's the case I would give them their Titan back. Undocumented feature my ass.

[lac]

DD's suddenly very ineffective towards ships and unable to kill bubbles. Quite a nerf indeed.