War

[Sparky]

I can confirm many, many goons loathe deadtear.  We had a party thread in Epsilon once the wonderful news filtered through.  Think the directors keep him around because he does all the bitchwork like trolling through 3000 accounts every few months kicking inactives.  Also they're big space jerks.  As to why he got the titan - fuck knows.

[Hoax]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=774607

This is the best war summary post in awhile.  Just ignore the parts about why Redswarm couldn't finish the job and actually win and its probably pretty accurate.  Or at least one side of things.

[Nevermore]

Did any alliance in the so called 'Greater BoB Community' survive besides BoB itself?

[MahrinSkel]

Executive Outcomes, I think.

--Dave

[Endie]

Executive Outcomes, I think.

Is the Fix fighting up near E-O nothing to do with the Fix you were part of?  By which I mean has the core membership really altered that radically?

[MahrinSkel]

Executive Outcomes, I think.

Is the Fix fighting up near E-O nothing to do with the Fix you were part of?  By which I mean has the core membership really altered that radically?

My corp isn't in it anymore.  It was the last founding corp (other remaining founder got purged right after 49-U).  So no, nothing to do with me.

--Dave

[bhodi]

We just smashed the FUCK out of smash.  Totals will be posted later.

It started with them around our tower in M-M; They brought in 40 t2 cruisers just as we were onlining. We jumped 40 battleships in on them and slaughtered them. They countered by rallying capitals and battleships, we countered with a global call to arms. They countered with their erebus and doomsdayed us twice. Epic 3 hour battle ensued. It was pretty much a one-sided rape.

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[LC]

It started with them around our tower in M-M; They brought in 40 t2 cruisers just as we were onlining. We jumped 40 battleships in on them and slaughtered them.

I have a hard time believing goons engaged a 40 man fleet with less than 240 people.

[bhodi]

I have a hard time believing goons engaged a 40 man fleet with less than 240 people.

Let's not start this :)

Oops, I got what happened slightly wrong.

It went like this.

We popped one of their PoSes. They bridge in a 50 man BC+cruiser gang point blank onto our RRBS heavy 35-40 man gang. They get wiped out.

Our replacement tower begins onlining, they bridge in some caps and supercaps to stop it. They chase our small gang out of M-M and DD on the gate trying to catch us. They got a single ship.

Darius makes a jabber announcement and tells to get online. You can see our fleet size from my SS.

We jump into M-M and back to our tower and land on the Smash fleet.

Shit gets real for about 2 hours. We destroy their subcaps and pin their caps down. They jump in two or three replacement fleets and doomsday us trying to knock us off the capitals. They fail and we tackle and begin to killing the caps one by one along with the replacement fleets.

Finally, they give up and try and gatecamp the gate leading out of M-M; they get a few ships either leaving or reinforcing our fleet.

They decide to try their luck and send the (now sizable) gatecamp fleet into us - they get get raped, again. The erebus jumps out of system and leaves the 5 remaining bubbled caps to die.



We never used our capitals.

Total capship losses on their side are 6 carriers and 1 dread. Here's their fleet battle summary from their KB. There are a ton of ships missing off theirs, either they weren't smash or losses haven't been reported yet. You compare their KB (5 ships, 1 cap) and ours (21 ships, 3 caps).

[bhodi]

Also, while this was all going down, yesterday, there was a bit more happening up north. RA took the ec- station.






Oh crap, indeed.

[LC]

It looks like Russia and France aren't friends anymore.

[Calantus]

Your post could be more useful.



Like say, with a second sentence that explains why.

[Phildo]

Did RA and -A- invade Gallente hi sec or something?

[WindupAtheist]

Darius makes a jabber announcement and tells to get online.

This was pure win.

[Endie]

Your post could be more useful.



Like say, with a second sentence that explains why.

He is talking about RA's standings reset.

[JoeTF]

The TCF seems to be a typo and other than BRUCE, I have no fucking idea who they resetted. They still nap all of ze north and all of south - BOB, Bruce and Smash.

[Endie]

The TCF seems to be a typo and other than BRUCE, I have no fucking idea who they resetted. They still nap all of ze north and all of south - BOB, Bruce and Smash.

I thought you meant that "-" as a hyphen, and not a minus.  I was almost racing to the GF boards to find out what had made RA nap Bob and Smash.

[Phildo]

Not exactly war related, but this happened while BAT was scouting for a friendly gang:

Raven!

[bhodi]

It's time for another edition of "Where da goons at?"



Oh, there they are.

GoonSwarm continues it's war against SMASH with another pitched battle, along with the first Peoke kill (CEO of SMASH) of the war. Check out that awesome fit! It's a 350mm-rail dual-rep dual-plated trimarked Megathron Navy Issue. Repping POS guns. With a named frigate afterburner.

There are around 15 total towers in-system. Goons are slowly sieging and replacing them with their own over the past few days. Last night, SMASH decided they had enough and a pitched fleet battle occurred on the stargate; For some reason the lag was particularly bad and after about an hour and a half of the meatgrinder the call was made for the goons to regroup back at a friendly PoS. Goon ships ambushed SMASH reinforcements trickling in, while the goons rallied by getting reinforcement ships of their own in-system. Soon after, a second clash ensued.

We continue on-scene at the carrier graveyard...


Killed:
6 Carriers
53 BS
14 HACs
9 Recons
1 Heavy dictor
3 Logistics

Lost:
44 BS
5 HAC
2 Recons
4 Heavy dictors

[Jayce]

GoonSwarm continues it's war against SMASH with another pitched battle, along with the first Peoke kill (CEO of SMASH) of the war. Check out that awesome fit! It's a 350mm-rail dual-rep dual-plated trimarked Megathron Navy Issue. Repping POS guns. With a named frigate afterburner.

Link goes to a Peoke kill, but he seems to have been driving a Tempest?

On another note, it's a good thing that 0.0 is a giant NAP-fest because otherwise people might lose 100 battleships in a night.  That would be painful.

[Phildo]

The problem is that only 6 carriers were lost.  It should have been 60.

[bhodi]

Sorry about that, there were meant to be two killmails there, Peoke and one other. This is the Navy Mega abortion.

[Endie]

On another note, it's a good thing that 0.0 is a giant NAP-fest because otherwise people might lose 100 battleships in a night.  That would be painful.

i see what you did there.

[Hoax]

The TCF seems to be a typo and other than BRUCE, I have no fucking idea who they resetted. They still nap all of ze north and all of south - BOB, Bruce and Smash.

One of those reset was IAC.  Which is important to most of us f13'ers.  There was at least one big fight in Catch this weekend but it didn't sound like it was an RA offensive.  Yet.

[JoeTF]

GoonSwarm continues it's war against SMASH with another pitched battle, along with the first Peoke kill (CEO of SMASH) of the war. Check out that awesome fit! It's a 350mm-rail dual-rep dual-plated trimarked Megathron Navy Issue. Repping POS guns. With a named frigate afterburner.

On another note, it's a good thing that 0.0 is a giant NAP-fest because otherwise people might lose 100 battleships in a night.  That would be painful.

I know what you're doing here, but 100BS is quite poorly for a single fleet battle, at least to my humble opinion. If usual 200 vs 200 ships goes out of their wayto kill themselves, I would like it to have at least 200 (preferably) 300 of them dead in the end. And single 300 vs 300 battle a day is weak sauce. I know EVE 0.0 dwelling PvP community isn't very numerous, but aat least for the sake of the size of the 0.0 parts of the galaxy there should be a few, a several good fleet battles happening a day.

In short, 500BS in fleetfights+500BS in ganks&roams, all of them killed daily would be something more of my liking.
 

[bhodi]

In short, 500BS in fleetfights+500BS in ganks&roams, all of them killed daily would be something more of my liking.

I think you would start to see those numbers, if the module and zone-in lag in a 200v200 didn't approach half an hour.

[LC]

According to this thread goon pets are losing Paragon Soul to a few BoB roaming gangs. 

[Simond]

We're too busy trying to find the worse-fit ship in all of EVE by reading Smashkill killmails.
Besides, Black0ut aren't pets.

Edit: Smashkill might have just lost some of their allies - Atlas & FIX are supposedly going back to the drone regions ASAP (either to defend or evac; it's not clear which).

[WindupAtheist]

BoB basically lost the war, but goons aren't any fun to follow if they're not fighting BoB.  Yawn.  I think I'll root for BoB to rebuild and challenge the goonies again.  Anything else is too boring.

[LC]

BoB basically lost the war, but goons aren't any fun to follow if they're not fighting BoB.  Yawn.  I think I'll root for BoB to rebuild and challenge the goonies again.  Anything else is too boring.

BoB never lost. If anything Goons lost when they ran to the other side of the universe.

[Tebonas]

We all read the thread. Can everybody make his own assumptions about how the war went for whom?

[WindupAtheist]

You went from a massive empire with countless slaves to a rump state of diehard fanatics.  I know that the only winning is having fun, but seriously, that's losing.  But hey, now you're the plucky underdog, so buck up.

[Nevermore]

BoB basically lost the war, but goons aren't any fun to follow if they're not fighting BoB.  Yawn.  I think I'll root for BoB to rebuild and challenge the goonies again.  Anything else is too boring.

BoB never lost. If anything Goons lost when they ran to the other side of the universe.

Neither side won and neither side lost.  Goons came closer to their goal than BoB did, but the only actual losers were all of those BoB pets who thought they would be ruling little fiefdoms of their own under BoB's benevolent protection.  Any alliance that aligns itself with BoB now better look long and hard at what happened to all the previous alliances that did. They'd have to be stupid, suicidal or both to throw in with BoB.

[Kitsune]

BoB's continued existence is clear proof that they didn't lose, but they certainly got the crap blown out of them, and of the two sides I think the anti-BoBs came out ahead.  I expect that the anti-BoBs are currently building supercaps as fast as they can crank them out, and that the next fight won't go so well for BoB; the alliances that bolstered them enough to survive the first war are gone now.

[Meester]

Germany didn't lose World War 2 even though the allies came closer to their objectives and Germany had the crap blown out of them. Germany still exists! The Vietnam War was never lost by the U.S.A for the U.S.A still exists!
And Saddam Hussein never lost the 1st Gulf War. If anything the Coalition lost because their forces ran back to their home countries afterwards.

Comparing real life wars to eve ftl.

(Insert alliance name here) never lost because (enter enemy alliance(s) here) (insert illogical reasoning here).

(Insert beginning of flamefest after this line)