War

[WindupAtheist]

Explain this shares-selling thing for a non-Eve person?  It sounds important, but I have no idea WTF any of it means.

[Simond]

Pretty much what it sounds like - corporations have shares, the more shares you (and your friends) have the more likely you are to be able to force through a vote that the corp leaders might not necessarily want to happen (unlocking of blueprints, new CEO, etc, etc).

Also shares show a voting history - which means (for example) anyone who bought a single Reikoku share now knows where all their blueprints are locked down.

[5150]

Pretty much what it sounds like - corporations have shares, the more shares you (and your friends) have the more likely you are to be able to force through a vote that the corp leaders might not necessarily want to happen (unlocking of blueprints, new CEO, etc, etc).

Also shares show a voting history - which means (for example) anyone who bought a single Reikoku share now knows where all their blueprints are locked down.

They are also used for IPO's but thats still basically trust based because theres no mechnaism to force/automate dividends (the selling corp could take your money and run and leave you with a worthless share entry in your wallet) and has been the focus of many a scam.

[Kamen]

The people buying the shares are doing so more for the collector and novelty value as they will be worthless in a week, and all the assets moved over to a new corp.  A piece of history and some intel on BoB for a million isk (which is nothing to most people).

(Slight derail)  I find the flourishing EvE IPO market fascinating.  Yeah it's primarily name recognition and trust based - sort of a wild west in outer space financial market.  So far I have invested in three corporations that are providing me great returns on isk that would otherwise be sitting lazily in my wallet.  I haven't been scammed yet, but you definitely need to be careful.   

[JoeTF]

Seems that stuff started to happen again.


Ps. We really need psy-duck smile from SHC here.

[Endie]

Seems that stuff started to happen again.


Ps. We really need psy-duck smile from SHC here.

I don't want to make you uncomfortable, but I think that the psyduck emote was originally from GF, and Hippo brought it to SHC.  I could be wrong, though: the etymology of emotes is not my specialism.

Anyway, now i have to go and look see what happened!  You could have just told us!!!

Edit:  Unless something super-sneaky-ninja happened, i imagine he meant that Bob reinforced a few AAA POSes.

[WindupAtheist]

If that's really all it is, I'm totally going to start pretending that I play Eve and that I'm in BoB.  So far their defenders on this forum aren't doing a very good job, and I think I could do a better one, even though I don't play the game or understand 75% of what everyone else is saying.

[Comstar]

Consisting of a few titans, a half dozen motherships, 12 dreads and 40(?) support, BoB put into reinforced the last few AAA towers in FAT-6P, now that system has a cyno jammer up. They also attacked some AAA POS's in HED- thats the system used to jump from empire to Catch by AAA and IAC. Attacking HED dosn't really do much by itself. Perhaps BoB is trying to lure AAA caps into combat. This was apparently the big Op that ISS was pinning their hopes on.

[Endie]

Consisting of a few titans, a half dozen motherships, 12 dreads and 40(?) support, BoB put into reinforced the last few AAA towers in FAT-6P, now that system has a cyno jammer up. They also attacked some AAA POS's in HED- thats the system used to jump from empire to Catch by AAA and IAC. Attacking HED dosn't really do much by itself. Perhaps BoB is trying to lure AAA caps into combat. This was apparently the big Op that ISS was pinning their hopes on.

It should be noted that the use of this supercap armada to reinforce a few undefended towers in a cyno-jammed system contrasts rather heavily with what we've been doing in non-cyno-jammed systems, with half a dozen Amarr battleships with afk pilots (or maybe one of them keeping an eye open for the far-more-dangerous-than-Bob Stain Alliance).

Both approaches are fine enough, but Joe describing our version as Goons "slaving themselves [sic] for hours killing huge[,] undefended deathstarts [sic] noone [sic]  but them cares about" does seem a little ironic in comparison.

Edit - Looong after I went to bed (like 2 til 5am or so) some Goons went on a stroll through bobspace, took down half a dozen POSes themselves, bumped into a Rise/Bob/other pets fleet and pounded it into the ground.

[Endie]

If, like me, you are ineluctably and unavoidably drawn towards maps, then you may be interested in taking a peek at Joshua Whasisface's latest non-automated eve map.  He used to update this quite regularly, but he stopped for some unfathomable reason: perhaps work; perhaps family issues; perhaps because since the last update in late spring his beloved BoB masters have been losing ground on an almost weekly basis.  It would be wrong of us to speculate (it's the last one).

Anyway, begrudgingly and with an ill grace (judging from some of the editorial decisions involved, mentioned below) he has done so again.

Here is before
Here is after

Both rehosted for those of us behind non-dl-files-friendly websense firewalls.

While it looks very nice (nicer than the automated one) he has made a few sneaky little alterations to reality.  MC, for instance, are portrayed as deepest Bob blue, rather than their much-vaunted neutral status.  The arrows he used to use, indicating direction of attack, have been subtly removed.  Ka-Tet are not shaded red despite being stated as such in the list of participants at the top (compare that list in each to see the number of dead pets), although admittedly they might as well be green for all the use they are.

I wonder if he timed this release because he honestly believed that the 20th would see Bob drive teh ebil coalition back, and that he wanted to memorialise this low-point in their fortunes.

If that's really all it is, I'm totally going to start pretending that I play Eve and that I'm in BoB.

Huh, no sooner a pink name and now you're all pro-bob?  Fuckin Band of Devs, amirite?

[Simond]

The most amusing part about the whole "Shooting worthless undefended small POSes" thing is that while they may very well be useless from a sovereignty viewpoint...they're actually fairly important from, say, a "production of T2 anything" viewpoint. They're moon-mining POSes, see, which do exactly what it says on the tin - remote mining of minerals from the moon they're orbiting. These minerals are then used in a series of production jobs which eventually results in them being turned into components for T2 modules, ammo & ships. Goonfleet blowing up these POSes and being too ADD to set up replacements means these components will be a little harder to get ahold of.

Oh, and the new T2 battleships & jump freighters in Trinity will need lots of these components, and will also be in heavy demand. Expect T2 prices to start rising soon.

[WindupAtheist]

Fuck it, here goes!

Ok, I'm now officially (in my own mind) in BoB, and I'm here to set the record straight.  All you Goons and Goon-huggers here on f13 are all like "Oooh, look how much space BoB has lost!  They must be DOOMED!"  There are all these idiot conspiracy theories about how BoB/FIX/MC are all going to attack one another, as if any of them are dumb enough to sink their energies into that when there are still Russians and Goons to fight.  It's all ridiculous, and you're getting carried away.

Look, the Titan nerf wasn't any good for us.  That's obvious to anyone.  Granted it hurt us disproportionately because the rest of you newbs are almost always too poor to build Titans anyway (lol Remedial lol) but still, it did have an effect on how things are done.  What you monkeys don't understand is that thanks to that nerf, a withdrawal and consolidation would have been in order regardless of what was going on in the war.  We were just plain overextended and needed to pull back.  And as we pulled back, there were the Goons and Russkies nipping at our heels, crowing "LOOK HOW MUCH SPACE WE TAKE!" not realizing they're pushing back an enemy that was on it's way out of there anyway.  We really DIDN'T want those systems anyway.

And this stuff about MC wanting FIX to hire them to attack BoB is ludicrous wishful thinking.  Half of BoB used to be in FIX, and the ties there are close.  MC may be pissed that they lost all that stuff, but if this rumor is ANYTHING besides stupid Goony propaganda (which it most likely is by far), it's MC dick-waving and posturing, hoping the Goons won't attack them first.  I know the idea of the main BoB allies collapsing into civil war and leaving themselves ripe for the picking is an appealing fantasy, but that's all it is.

Ahem, there.  So how did I do?

[Teleku]

Its kind of funny for somebody who doesn't actually play the game (or has ever played it at all?) that your getting so into this

[Megrim]

That was really very good. I vote we elect WUA the official pro-BoB f13 spokesman.

[Slayerik]

Well played sir, well played.

[WindupAtheist]

Its kind of funny for somebody who doesn't actually play the game (or has ever played it at all?) that your getting so into this

No, never at all.  I would have, but I asked someone here what it's like if you just want to be a loner, and they said it's like taping a picture of outer space to your screen while reading Barrens chat.

[Reg]

He can't possibly be the official Bob spokeman. He just made a post and didn't leave me wanting to punch him in the face.

[Endie]

That was one of the more eloquent and well-argued statements of the Bob position I have seen.

But you forgot one thing.

You didn't sign your post.

There are no sigs.

That is all.

-dbp

[cmlancas]

That was one of the more eloquent and well-argued statements of the Bob position I have seen.

But you forgot one thing.

You didn't sign your post.

There are no sigs.

That is all.

-aaK/tazelbain

FIFY (snicker)

[Hakeldaima]

He even managed to put in a couple of not-so-diplomatic potshots against MC, which might, if he were in actuality a BoB spokesman, bite them in the ass. Well argued and authentic - good job.

[Simond]

You know how you can tell what is real BoB diplomacy?
It makes no sense

(ISS) Have been very naughty and have lost their standings/docking rights etc. It's up to you if you want to gank them, but don't expect them to be friendly. Ignore whines about assets trapped in 7BX.
More details tomorrow but basically they went behind our backs and did something they'd been specifically told not to, which ****ed off Molle rather badly.

The kicker? The 'naughty' thing ISS did was to attack Outbreak/ev0ke (Hostile to ISS, BoB and the rest of the BoB pets) by themselves. 

[tazelbain]

That was one of the more eloquent and well-argued statements of the Bob position I have seen.

But you forgot one thing.

You didn't sign your post.

There are no sigs.

That is all.

-aaK/tazelbain

FIFY (snicker)

It doesn't have enough missing words to be mine.

[Comstar]

So what now for ISS? Locked out of the SE and now the SW as well. Does ISS fiannly go back to empire?

[neep]

The 'naughty' thing ISS did was to attack Outbreak/ev0ke (Hostile to ISS, BoB and the rest of the BoB pets) by themselves.

Spot the mistake :)

Simond's post is pretty much spot on except there was no attack, they claimed a bit of BoB space after it was vacated by somebody else despite being told not to.

[Endie]

I can't believe that BoB is of the opinion that it can go throwing away one of its few remaining pets.  Even one of such dubious value as ISS.  Surely this will be smoothed over, quickly.

Ninja Edit: My word, I just followed a link to eve-o and if that forum porn is anything like accurate Bob diplomats are even worse than everyone believed.  My caution is because if i was writing hilarious forum porn to order that's pretty much what I'd write, and if Neep is telling the truth then it can't be true, as Count describes an attack.

Where is the emoticon for "fucked if I know"?  vOv

[Fordel]

It could be as simple as BoB needing a 'win' for their members. Bumping off ISS, get some kills, could boost the ignorant grunts morale.

[Sparky]

BoB throws ISS under the bus hoping to woo ev0ke maybe?  I'm just guessing don't really follow politics.  I see ev0ke members making nice with BoB in that Eve-o thread so maybe something is going to happen.  But is it worth burning an established ally and scaring your remaining pets to do so?  If they've any sense they'll be moving major assets into NPC stations now.  But if they had much they wouldn't have signed a suicide pact that was the evacuation in the first place.

I enjoyed this prophetic post on the goon forums, from about a month ago:

By pulling the pets out of their own stations and putting them up in BoB held stations, BoB ensures that they must stay and fight or lose absolutely everything. They want to limit the options for their meatshield; there will be no way out, even with their backs against the wall. BoB doesn't want to deal with another M.Pire situation and thus will create a situation where absolute loyalty is required. If pets were to try and defect or evacuate, BoB would turn on them in much the same way LV once turned on KOS, but even worse since their assets would be at the mercy of BoB, locked away with access revoked. If we take the stations, the result is the same. The GBC is turning into a death pact; the same pet alliances that paid billions for space are about to pay for far less with far more.

This strategy is the essence of :commisar:

[Endie]

[Sparky]

Apparently it was all a big misunderstanding, or a sharp reminder to keep pets in line perhaps?  I wouldn't be surprised to see a mass exodus of at least personal assets now, but it'll be interesting to watch the multitude of pets in any case.

[gimpyone]

That picture is bad taste.

[Slayerik]

Hey, he's a goon what do you expect? :)

[JoeTF]

Any updates on your side Endie?

[Comstar]

Period Basis is doomed. D-L (Darkness and Light, BoB pets and allegedly supercap builders)  are being strangled and pinned down. RSF fleets dominate their 2 station systems and are attacking POS's with impunity. MC is being ignored, and is ignoring RSF back.

There are no small guns or ammo for sale in the entire region (except for some tech 2 small arty ammo, and no guns to use them in). There are some fire sale contracts up, though not too many (maybe I missed the good ones). BoB fleets show up every now and then, but generally it's 1-3 ships trying to disrupt the pipe from Goon space to D-L (about 11 jumps). D-L fleets just die.

Least, that's the way it is in my time zone. 

[JoeTF]

Holy crap report more!

PS. You're from western coast US timezone, right?

[Endie]

Any updates on your side Endie?

I've been busy with real life stuff, so I have little idea about what is going on except from stuff from the GF forums.  I know Bob and RA, UNL, AAA and IAC are doing stuff in HED, and that there was an unfortunate incident with a Bob POS that AAA destroyed being replaced, but I'm not inclined to tinfopil theorising about it: just lazy CCP and their terrible response to petitions (where MSN is unavailable :) Yeah i went there).

From what I can tell we're picking D-L apart, lots of gang fights,lots of roaming stuff and a general nice change of pace.  I'm hoping they don't fall apart before I get back to it!

Edit:  Re Comstr I think in euro time the bob fleets in their own timezone are more like 15 ships or so, and are having fun with the newbie fleet commander-led gangs we're sending to learn the trade against D-L.  D-L also seem to be getting a degree of respect for at least trying, even if they are losing a *lot* of ships (sometimes six pages a night).  Stain Empire are the most dangerous thing around, though.  They really can do damage if people are careless.